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Australian Bureau of Statistics Doesn't Like Direct Downloads of Census Data

Unknown Lamer posted about a year ago | from the sort-of-open-data dept.

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Bismillah writes "The ABS has released the census data for the country under a Creative Commons license, but instead of making it easy to get, they've put in Javascript to obfuscate file paths and more. All commented in the source code of course." At first glance, it's an attempt to get people to pay $250 for a DVD with the data instead.

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Bit torrent (4, Insightful)

DiSKiLLeR (17651) | about a year ago | (#43469265)

Sounds like an excellent use for Bit Torrent? I assume someone will download the whole dataset and make a torrent out of it before long....

Re:Bit torrent (-1, Troll)

philmarcracken (1412453) | about a year ago | (#43469315)

As an Australian, nobody really cares about census data.

However 'Australia' is some nerdy buzzword for americans so these submissions get through.

The weather report is more interesting.

Re:Bit torrent (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469389)

As an American, trust me: nobody cares about 95+% of the America-related news reported here, either. To the extent that this particular story is interesting at all (ie, not much), the noteworthy aspect is the attempt to obfuscate accessibility to free data by following the letter of the law and using technology to dissuade people from (rightfully) taking advantage.

Re:Bit torrent (2)

gagol (583737) | about a year ago | (#43469419)

Must be time for another crocodile dundee movie.

Re:Bit torrent (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469681)

Paul Hogan's "financial adviser" (offshore "tax minimiser") ran off with his fortune recently.

Re:Bit torrent (2)

deimtee (762122) | about a year ago | (#43469901)

Paul Hogan's "financial adviser" (offshore "tax minimiser") ran off with his fortune recently.

Fair dinkum? Strewth, I bet he's madder 'n a mallee bull.

Re:Bit torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469531)

haha, so true. (Posting anonymously because I'm a crypto-Aussie)

Re:Bit torrent (4, Interesting)

cheater512 (783349) | about a year ago | (#43469689)

Actually the census data has a whole pile of interesting nuggets in it.
I do have portions of it right now.

I didn't notice all the javascript however and thought the download process was straight forward.
Kudos to the ABS for using Creative Commons.

Re: Bit torrent (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469747)

It may very well be the case that they don't have the right to release it under such a restrictive license as CC, in all seriousness law probably mandates putting it in the Public Domain.

Re: Bit torrent (2)

hawkinspeter (831501) | about a year ago | (#43470107)

Huh? It is released under the Creative Commons license.

Re: Bit torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43471211)

Havent you heard australia is the new america!

Re:Bit torrent (5, Informative)

Bifurcati (699683) | about a year ago | (#43469325)

Indeed they have! [angrygoats.net]

Re:Bit torrent (5, Funny)

Darinbob (1142669) | about a year ago | (#43469473)

Ha, I won't visit sites with goat in the name. Fool me once...

Re:Bit torrent (1)

Bifurcati (699683) | about a year ago | (#43469509)

Well, d'oh ;)

But it's actually legit - you can follow the link from the OP to get there as well.

Re:Bit torrent (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469735)

Whoooooooooosh!

Re:Bit torrent (2)

purpledinoz (573045) | about a year ago | (#43469779)

I'm glad I'm not the only one with this fear.

Re:Bit torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469347)

For once, I read the article!

For those who don't wish to tangle with obfuscating Javascript or pay hefty charges for DVDs, Bowland has made the census data available for download via Bittorrent on his website. - http://blog.angrygoats.net/2013/04/12/2011-australian-census-release-3/

Re:Bit torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469351)

TFA includes .torrent file to download the entire dataset.

Re:Bit torrent (4, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#43469465)

Careful there, we still remember what happened to the last guy who tried to make public data public...

Re:Bit torrent (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469605)

Yeah, he killed himself like a pussy rather than face a few months in jail as punishment for the crimes he committed.

Re:s/months/decades (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469741)

Actually, he was facing over 50 years in prison.

Re:s/months/decades (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43470177)

Cause white upper middle class techno-geeks get fifty years, right? Wake the fuck up, moron. He wasn't going to do any more than a few months, if fucking that.

Re:Bit torrent (2)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#43469883)

Maybe you can shed some light onto this, I still don't get what crime he actually committed.

Re:Bit torrent (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469929)

He annoyed those in power when he made the PACER documents available for free.

Re:Bit torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43470245)

Wait what, I thought it was some silly case of using a robot on a university network, violating a EULA, with the presumed intent to publish research that might have been related to science, or maybe a few 'quiet' department of energy projects.

Re:Bit torrent (1)

PRMan (959735) | about a year ago | (#43470903)

Yes, the "crime" of making public data public...

Re:Bit torrent (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43470261)

Prosecutors in Australia are just public servants. Although we have just as stupid laws (often because the US government "lobbies" for "consistency"), the prosecutors on the whole are actually quite sensible. Yes, there are cases where an over-zealous prosecutor has harassed someone but, (1) these are the exception and not the rule, and (2) the DPP institutions tend to have functional governance structures which identify and correct such misbehavior.

Indeed, one notable Australian prosecutor, Nick Cowdery QC, who ran the NSW Department of Public Prosecutions from 1994 to 2011, even wrote a book called "Getting Justice Wrong: myths, media and crime" arguing at the appalling outcomes which follow politicization of the public prosecutor's role. The US DoJ should take a read: it's available on Amazon.

Re: Bit torrent (1)

jxander (2605655) | about a year ago | (#43469709)

Better yet, sounds like a perfect opportunity for the government to learn BitTorrent.

It's already available for free, and released under CC ... Just seed it yourselves and call it good.

Re:Bit torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469737)

You didn't RTFA. "For those who don't wish to tangle with obfuscating Javascript or pay hefty charges for DVDs, Bowland has made the census data available for download via Bittorrent on his website"
The link to his site is in that sentence. If you want it, RTFA.

Re:Bit torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469905)

FTA: "For those who don't wish to tangle with obfuscating Javascript or pay hefty charges for DVDs, Bowland has made the census data available for download via Bittorrent on his website."

Thank you mr. Bowland.

Re:Bit torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43470197)

Sounds like an excellent use for Bit Torrent? I assume someone will download the whole dataset and make a torrent out of it before long....

Did you even read the article?

Re:Bit torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43470979)

Amateur

Re:Bit torrent (1)

complete loony (663508) | about a year ago | (#43470259)

"The ABS is constantly looking at ways it can simplify the website and enhance the user experience,"

While at the same time telling their actual developers to make it more difficult;

... generate a random number, which we append to the URL, to make it appear as if a complex key is required. This is a pathetic attempt to discourage someone from downloading the ZIPs directly (ie. without having to login), if they deduce the URL pattern.

The ironing is delicious.

Re:Bit torrent (1)

Electricity Likes Me (1098643) | about a year ago | (#43470941)

It's lame that the ABS doesn't seed a torrent itself though. It'd make a great poster case for the long-term benefits of the NBN (and it's higher upload speeds) for the government.

Re:Bit torrent (1)

kakaburra (2508064) | about a year ago | (#43471141)

I assume someone will download the whole dataset and make a torrent out of it before long

If you RTFA, the guy who actually discovered it torrented the dataset.

Criminals and retarded monkeys (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469267)

As the insightful duo "Flight of the Conchords" explain, Australians are all descended from criminals and retarded monkeys.

This is just a way to excite them about getting the data by making them feel like they're stealing it when they hack the Javascript.

Re:Criminals and retarded monkeys (5, Funny)

Noir Angellus (2740421) | about a year ago | (#43469275)

... descended from criminals and retarded monkeys.

No, we're not all descended from the English let alone Americans.

Re:Criminals and retarded monkeys (0)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#43469987)

... descended from criminals and retarded monkeys.

No, we're not all descended from the English let alone Americans.

Az cornvicted monktard, am mad you cumpare wif Americalfs or Englushes.

Re:Criminals and retarded monkeys (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469639)

"Flight of the Conchords" aren't funny in the slightest. I never understood how they got so popular in the US.

Re:Criminals and retarded monkeys (3, Funny)

lisaparratt (752068) | about a year ago | (#43470189)

I think you've answered your own question.

Link to torrent (5, Informative)

sdreader (2893571) | about a year ago | (#43469269)

Link to the torrent of the census data from the article:
http://blog.angrygoats.net/2013/04/12/2011-australian-census-release-3/ [angrygoats.net]

Since the data is available for free (obfuscated or not) and was released under a CC license, technically this should all be considered legal, right? Not that it should be necessary of course.

Re:Link to torrent (2)

mjwx (966435) | about a year ago | (#43469539)

Link to the torrent of the census data from the article:
http://blog.angrygoats.net/2013/04/12/2011-australian-census-release-3/ [angrygoats.net]

Since the data is available for free (obfuscated or not) and was released under a CC license, technically this should all be considered legal, right? Not that it should be necessary of course.

The obfuscation is probably because hosting and bandwidth are not cheap in Oz and some inventive public servant (stop snickering, they do exist, there aren't many of them but they do exist) came up with a way to reduce the bandwidth bill. With the current emphasis on public service spending and impending election, this wouldn't surprise me.

Either that or some hopeless public servant coder has no idea what they've done.

Could be either case really, I've seen both.

Re:Link to torrent (1)

countach (534280) | about a year ago | (#43469725)

There may be inventive public servants, but I highly doubt they are inventive enough to make a stupid obfuscated download system just so that some guy would bittorrrent it, and thereby save the government a small amount of money on bandwidth. I mean really.

Re:Link to torrent (3, Interesting)

mjwx (966435) | about a year ago | (#43469769)

There may be inventive public servants, but I highly doubt they are inventive enough to make a stupid obfuscated download system just so that some guy would bittorrrent it, and thereby save the government a small amount of money on bandwidth. I mean really.

You've never worked in the APS have you. The fewer people you have to serve, the better your balance sheet looks. If someone else can do it, why not.

Re:Link to torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469775)

especially since it would be a whole lot easier to just put up a torrent yourself.

Re:Link to torrent (3, Informative)

GerryHattrick (1037764) | about a year ago | (#43469863)

Usual reason for doing this with official data is to avoid sensation-seekers 'hotlinking' to specific data without noting the disclaimers, statistical cautions, changes of basis etc. which moderate any interpretation.

Re:Link to torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43470467)

If they just put the ISO for the DVD up, you would have the same disclaimers you get with the dvd

Re:Link to torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43470157)

They're unlikely to care about someone making a bittorent. They probably do care about companies that constantly web scrape their site.

Re:Link to torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43470473)

That is what bandwith limits are for. No need for obfuscation, just make sure the census data only gets a small fraction of the bandwith they have. If many tries to download, their census downloads slow down. But not the rest of the site!

Re:Link to torrent (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469939)

some hopeless public servant coder has no idea what they've done.

Hopeless? No idea? Put yourself in their shoes. Here you've got some CC licensed data. Manager tells you he wants to dissuade people from downloading it, charging 250 pop for the data on DVD instead. You just *know* that this is a waste of time, because the first getting the DVD is gonna be disgruntled and will legally put the stuff on bittorrent anyway. So technically, you're just wasting everyones time: Yours, your managers, and the downloaders'.

What do you do to take revenge, without looking unprofessional? That's right... you comment the hell out of your code, making sure not to mention you think it's a stupid idea.

Torrenting (1)

Artea (2527062) | about a year ago | (#43469277)

I saw the title text and thought the census data was being provided through bittorrent. A few games including the popular World of Warcraft distribute their updates through the protocol, seeing it adopted in other areas to reduce the bandwidth costs seems like a good idea.

Government is here to help (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469293)

Didn't fill out the census. Doing so implies central planning works.

Re:Government is here to help (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469687)

Nice theory, until they threaten you with fines and jail time. (You're legally required to fill out census forms, truthfully even.) And then the fuckers have the hide charge money for your data that you had to supply to them for free.

Re:Government is here to help (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43471027)

I have never filled out a census in my life, I hear all kinds of threats of fines and jail time, yet when I laugh and tell them to "fill their boots" nothing happens.

Licensing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469341)

Wouldn't something the the Open Database license make more sense? I mean, census data isn't exactly a creative work. OpenStreetMap made the change when they realised something similar about map data.

Excellence in Government (3, Interesting)

edibobb (113989) | about a year ago | (#43469361)

I think that is really funny! They declare the data free and then make an inept attempt to force people to pay for it. It's almost as bad as copyrighting public laws.

Re:Excellence in Government (2)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#43469501)

Funny, isn't it? Laws are the only thing corporations invest a lot of money in that they don't try to copyright or patent.

Re:Excellence in Government (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469927)

It's almost as bad as copyrighting public laws.

I'm not sure if you're joking here but the Australian government actually DOES copyright legal documents. For example to comply with telephone wiring regulations requires access to a document released by "Standards Australia" which costs about $200 last I checked. I don't doubt that the document was developed using public funds. I'm sure this shit happens a lot more than people realise.

Re:Excellence in Government (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469961)

make an inept attempt to force people to pay for it

In the US, if data is copyrighted, it's illegal to circumvent any copy protections on it. By extension, if data is to be released under a free license, it would only be fair if it were illegal for those responsible of the data to try to prevent copying it.

Damn Streisand Effect (4, Funny)

istartedi (132515) | about a year ago | (#43469365)

Thanks a lot Slashdot. Now I have a sudden urge to know precisely how many married couples with the husbands between the ages of 30 and 32 inclusive have children in Queensland, and what the genders of and ages of the children are.

If you're wondering why the data are licensed... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469367)

Remember that in many countries works of the national government are not automatically in the public domain like they are in the US. In Commonwealth realms this is called Crown Copyright.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_copyright/ [wikipedia.org]

Re:If you're wondering why the data are licensed.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469421)

No, no, you're right, the US government is always transparent and forthcoming with information

(yes it was sarcasm)

Re:If you're wondering why the data are licensed.. (1)

thegarbz (1787294) | about a year ago | (#43470199)

In Commonwealth realms this is called Crown Copyright.

Did someone say apply the CC licence and not specify which?

Re:If you're wondering why the data are licensed.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43470763)

More reason to argue for a republic.

What would Aaron Swartz do? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469369)

Isn't this data already paid for with people's dime?

Re:What would Aaron Swartz do? (2)

gagol (583737) | about a year ago | (#43469451)

This is the idiot tax. By taking wealth from people unable to think, we restrict their ability to feed children and slow down the epidemic. Brilliant! </sarcasm>

Dataz (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469377)

Your dataz, you can't hide them.

You Know What They're Up To? (4, Interesting)

Greyfox (87712) | about a year ago | (#43469387)

This follows on my "best method to get tech support from a computer person." You don't ask "How do you...?" You assert, loudly, within hearing range of the computer person "This is the absolute beset way to do it!" and provide a woefully incorrect method of getting to the result you're trying to achieve. One of these methods will have the computer person falling over himself to help you. Guess which one. Have I mentioned that I'm Evil lately?

Anyway, they're pulling the same thing here. They want someone to gather up their data and present it in a nice package for free. The best way to do that is to drop an ineptly-presented steaming pile of crap on the internets. There'll probably be 15 open source projects to slice and dice it on github by the weekend, and it didn't cost the Australian government a dime! It's brilliant!

Re:You Know What They're Up To? (2)

martas (1439879) | about a year ago | (#43469685)

Yes, because it takes a lot of technical know-how to create a zip file and making it available as a torrent... /s

Re:You Know What They're Up To? (2)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | about a year ago | (#43469751)

Damn, I would've never thought of that. I gotta keep this in mind, knowing how to manipulate people is an exceedingly useful skill.

Re:You Know What They're Up To? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43470079)

That's the absolute best way of manipulating people!

Re: You Know What They're Up To? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43470953)

No...here let me show you...

Re:You Know What They're Up To? (1)

TheMathemagician (2515102) | about a year ago | (#43470239)

An alternative is to sadly declare that some simple task you're experiencing resistance over simply cannot be done.

Re:You Know What They're Up To? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43471111)

A "computer person"? You must mean an android, right?

Obfuscation of Creative Commons data (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469405)

Only effective as long as there exists nobody who is interested in the data, able to crack the obfuscation, and willing to distribute it.

(... and willing to overlook that Aaron Schwartz died for something quite similar, I suppose.)

It's free (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469407)

Magnet link for the lazy:

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:EE2DEAA27287952089AE257EC8B009E382598239&dn=2011%20Datapacks%20BCP_IP_TSP_PEP_ECP_WPP_Release%203.tar.xz&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.publicbt.com%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3a80%2fannounce

or
http://mgnet.me/DTyE

or torrent: http://grond.angrygoats.net/torrent/2011%20Datapacks%20BCP_IP_TSP_PEP_ECP_WPP_Release%203.tar.xz.torrent

Crazy like a fox (1)

davidwr (791652) | about a year ago | (#43469415)

No, Br'er Rabbit, don't tell the world we are hiding our data, they might get copies and make sure the whole world has access to it, no, don't do that Br'er Rabbit.

Do not attribute (2)

charlism (1471317) | about a year ago | (#43469459)

to conspiracy that which can be explained by incompetence. The real goal could of had nothing to do with "hiding" the data.

Crikey! (1)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | about a year ago | (#43469569)

Crikey, they're a bunch of naughty little critters for doing that!

Spokesperson said there was room for improvement (1)

scdeimos (632778) | about a year ago | (#43469691)

From TFA:

"The ABS is constantly looking at ways it can simplify the website and enhance the user experience," iTnews was told via email.

Stop hosting it on Lotus Domino servers and you won't have to worry about how many people download the damned data.

Re:Spokesperson said there was room for improvemen (1)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year ago | (#43469763)

From TFA:

"The ABS is constantly looking at ways it can simplify the website and enhance the user experience," iTnews was told via email.

Stop hosting it on Lotus Domino servers and you won't have to worry about how many people download the damned data.

U crazy? After millions paid for the Lotus servers and zillions in staff training (or... was it train stuffing? in the context, the results would be the same), you want the IT dept head to... well, lose her/his head?

No copyright on facts (1)

kawabago (551139) | about a year ago | (#43469733)

What is the point of putting a creative commons license on data that is not copyrightable. Anyone can take the data and do anything they want with it and there is nothing anyone can do about it. If it were otherwise, no one would be able to broadcast the temperature without permission from the weather office. How well would that system work?

Re:No copyright on facts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469871)

Which Australian laws can you cite to show this?

Re:No copyright on facts (2)

FireFury03 (653718) | about a year ago | (#43469885)

What is the point of putting a creative commons license on data that is not copyrightable. Anyone can take the data and do anything they want with it and there is nothing anyone can do about it. If it were otherwise, no one would be able to broadcast the temperature without permission from the weather office. How well would that system work?

You can't copyright facts, but there are copyright-style laws covering a collection of facts organised into a database. That said, creative commons probably isn't the right licence for the same reason it wasn't the right licence for open street map (who have now migrated to a different permissive licence designed for databases of facts).

Re:No copyright on facts (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43470023)

Creative Commons is in fact a copyright licence and has restrictions. Public Domain would have been better.

I can see the conversation that happened.. (2)

gregmac (629064) | about a year ago | (#43469837)

From the code:

// Also, generate a random number, which we append to the URL, to make it appear as if a complex
//key is required. This is a pathetic attempt to discourage someone from downloading the ZIPs
//directly (ie. without having to login), if they deduce the URL pattern.

Translation:

Coder: "Here's the census web application."
PHB: "Great. But wait..I can just type in these other names and download them really easily! People will hack us and we'll be out possibly a COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS! "
Coder: "It is Creative Commons data, so of course we added no protection. Changing that now will be a massive rewrite and take months."
PHB: "So let's add some random numbers to the end so it looks really complex and people can't guess how to get in."
Coder: "But they still will eventually see the links because they do actually have to download it, so this is not really doing anything."
PHB: "Psh, no one is smart enough to figure that out. I read about this GUID things and they're really hard to guess. It will work. This is your job today."
Coder "..Ok, fine. I'll do it exactly the way you asked."

Re:I can see the conversation that happened.. (2)

robot5x (1035276) | about a year ago | (#43469851)

ya the code snippet provided in parent post indicates to me that this was something forced upon a level-headed coder by some moronic middle manager.

Re:I can see the conversation that happened.. (1)

PRMan (959735) | about a year ago | (#43470925)

Coder: (And then I'll put it in the comments so that everyone can see what idiots we are)

Yeah, nice try. But the coder actually thinks he's being really clever and doesn't realize all his Javascript comments are available for the world to read because he's actually an idiot (but he's a coder working for a government institution, so that's pretty much a given). No conspiracy here. They probably don't even realize what it means that it's under a CC license.

use wget and spidermonkey (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469893)

Easiest way to get the javascript obfuscated data is to write a simple perl script using wget plus spidermonkey to run the javascript. News Ltd used to try the same thing with their online tv guide, but it was trivial to circumvent.

I don't understand why certain organizations want to publish their data yet not publish it at the same time. They cannot have it both ways. If they publish it then they are allowing everyone to have it.

Re:use wget and spidermonkey (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469925)

I don't understand why certain organizations want to publish their data yet not publish it at the same time. They cannot have it both ways. If they publish it then they are allowing everyone to have it.

It's because they don't want to publish the data, but their boss told them to make it available, so they weigh up how difficult they can make it without getting a reprimand and then make it so.

Good one. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43469963)

You almost had me, but the phrase "simple Perl script" is a dead giveaway.

Re:Good one. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43470133)

Your phrase "dead giveaway" has done exactly the same for you.

Mirror sites .... (0)

PPH (736903) | about a year ago | (#43469935)

.... in 3... 2... 1...

Why on earth did they waste time and money (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year ago | (#43470101)

Why on earth did they waste time and money obfusticating something that is licensed on the creative commons. All someone has to do is either buy the DVD or reverse engineer the site once and they can put it up on their own website

Re:Why on earth did they waste time and money (2)

TheMathemagician (2515102) | about a year ago | (#43470231)

It's because bureaucrats everywhere have a visceral belief that THEY own the data and it should never be released to the public without the maximum of foot-dragging, time-wasting and hoop-jumping.

wow! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43470817)

wow! I found the "hard to find" register page within 15 seconds. I must be some kind of eentelectual sooper-wonder... or portuguese... wait! Yes, portuguese...

Why isn't taxpayer-funded data public domain? (1)

davide marney (231845) | about a year ago | (#43470969)

I gather this is data being published by a government agency. As all agencies are funded by taxpayers, all records -- with exceptions for security and privacy -- should already be open to the public. Creative Commons seems inappropriate here; the correct notice should be "Public Domain", or is Aussie law different in this respect from US law?

Javascript?? Really?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43471113)

Javascript? who the f*** still uses that? And is that even considered a layer of security? Whoever is in charge of "security" there should move beyond Windows 98.

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