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Jolla's First Phone Goes On Sale

Soulskill posted 1 year,23 days | from the jolla-jolla-bill-y'all dept.

Cellphones 307

jones_supa writes "Jolla, the mobile phone company formed by ex-Nokia employees, has officially launched its first phone. It will be initially available in Finland, paired with the local telecom operator DNA. After that, it will be made available in 135 other countries. The Jolla handset runs the Sailfish OS, which is itself based on the former MeeGo platform developed by Nokia and Intel several years ago to produce Linux-based smartphone software. Sailfish can run Android apps and it also integrates Nokia's Here mapping and positioning technology. Looking at the hardware, the device sports a 1.4GHz dual-core Qualcomm processor, 1GB memory and 16GB of flash storage, plus a 4.5in 960x540 IPS touchscreen with Gorilla 2 Glass. It has the usual mobile network support, including GSM/3G/4G, 802.11b/g/n WiFi and Bluetooth, 8MP autofocus rear camera and 2MP front camera. SIM-free pricing is expected to be €399."

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Paired with.... (4, Insightful)

Apotekaren (904220) | 1 year,22 days | (#45541713)

Paired with here means that the phones are sold by the telecom operator in their stores(first the pre-orders are fullfilled), but there are no requirements for contracts and no sim-locking.

The online shop is Jollas own. I just paid for my pre-order phone through their website.

Re:Paired with.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542159)

So how do they make money if they don't sim lock? I mean, I'm all for that but it doesn't make a lot of sense from a business perspective.

Re:Paired with.... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542245)

By charging a price that covers their cost; what's so mysterious?

Re:Paired with.... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45543159)

By charging a price that covers their cost; what's so mysterious?

Mysterious? You can't think of anything mysterious? Try this: The average person can't work out that

24 * 100 > 1000

Add that to the fact that the average person pays for roaming rather than just redirecting their phone and buying a local SIM card where they go (that phone you pay an extra 1400 for over two years doesn't work abroad!!). Once you start realising this is mysterious you will be able to find no end of mystery in the world.

In the end, the real mystery is: what will be your next phone bill.

Re:Paired with.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45543235)

Mysterious? You can't think of anything mysterious? Try this: The average person can't work out that 24 * 100 > 1000

Add that to the fact that the average person pays for roaming rather than just redirecting their phone and buying a local SIM card where they go (that phone you pay an extra 1400 for over two years doesn't work abroad!!). Once you start realising this is mysterious you will be able to find no end of mystery in the world.

In the end, the real mystery is: what will be your next phone bill.

Who the fuck is paying $100 per month just for a phone? Nobody! If you are then you need to get your fucking head checked.

Re:Paired with.... (3, Informative)

r1348 (2567295) | 1 year,22 days | (#45543569)

You're describing the American mobile market, things in Europe work very differently: most people buy a SIM-free phone and then use the operator they wish. Phone contracts cover only a very limited part of the market (iPhones, mostly).

Re:Paired with.... (3, Funny)

Jmc23 (2353706) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542265)

Ah you silly USians.

Re:Paired with.... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542577)

So how do they make money if they don't sim lock?

This is how you know the providers have won, when consumers wonder why they're NOT being treated like dirt.

Re:Paired with.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45543407)

So how do they make money if they don't sim lock?

The same way everyone else does. SIM-locking isn't actually "normal" practice at all - that it's accepted practice in the US is an anomaly.

Re:Paired with.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542945)

400 euro? No thanks, that's a rip-off.

Cool! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45541729)

I look forward to not using it.

Yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45541811)

I'll stick to my iPhone, thanks.

-- Posted from my Windows RT Surface

Yes, but... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45541821)

... can it run Linu ... Yes? Oh, right. Nevermind.

Re:Yes, but... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542213)

There's more GNU/Linux in this thing than most if not all Android computers.

Re:Yes, but... (1)

marcello_dl (667940) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542409)

You passed a good opportunity to imagine a beowulf cluster of them, too bad.

Re:Yes, but... (4, Funny)

oodaloop (1229816) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542783)

It's never too late to imagine beowullf clusters!

xterm? root? (1)

Kludge (13653) | 1 year,22 days | (#45543051)

When I saw that my N900 had an xterm installed by default, I knew I was in love.
How open is this Jolla phone? Do I have to jump through hoops to get root? Does it use a standard packaging system with repositories?

Re:xterm? root? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45543393)

As far as I can tell it's more open than Nokia N9 (Meego), and on my N9 I just had to enable developer mode from the options to get a terminal and root access. Now, N9 came with a security system called Aegis which partially crippled the root account, but Jolla will not come which such 'features'.

How about porting it... (1)

unixisc (2429386) | 1 year,22 days | (#45541835)

...to Nokia phones, such as Lumia and their other brand name phones??

Re:How about porting it... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45541869)

First things first. Let them get themselves established, away from the history of Nokia's self-dealing CEO, and show that the direction the company was going before he sabotaged it is a viable business model. Then maybe they can consider whether they can afford to attempt to rescue Nokia's current customers.

Re:How about porting it... (5, Informative)

jovius (974690) | 1 year,22 days | (#45541919)

Phones capable of running Android are their major target. Interview [talouselama.fi] of the CEO from today:

In addition to applications, Jolla exploits Android’s ecosystem also in another way. Jolla’s Sailfish operating system works in almost any Android device. Due to this Jolla can subcontract its devices for a reasonable price from any smart phone manufacturing company in Asia.
....
One more plus for Jolla is that the Android compatibility makes it very easy for other smart phone companies now using Android to change their OS to Jolla’s Sailfish.
....
According to Pienimäki, Jolla is also planning to let individual users to download Sailfish operating system into their Android-devices.

Re:How about porting it... (0)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542715)

One more plus for Jolla is that the Android compatibility makes it very easy for other smart phone companies now using Android to change their OS to Jolla’s Sailfish.

Yawn.

Wake me when they release the source and a step-by-step instructable for replacing the current Android build on my paid-for celly.

Re:How about porting it... (3, Funny)

marcello_dl (667940) | 1 year,22 days | (#45543031)

step one, locate trashcan
step two, throw celly into trashcan
step three, get fined for not properly disposing of electronic stuff that contains all sorts of evil substances, other than the OS I mean.
step four, get the jolla.

Re:How about porting it... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45543287)

Yawn.

Wake me when they release the source and a step-by-step instructable for replacing the current Android build on my paid-for celly.

Right you need everything done for you. Geeks and hackers used to be about working around limitations to do cool stuff, now drones like you have resulted in it becoming the pursuit of those who just want everything laid out for them and want all the corporations to build open devices for you and instead of being innovative you just complain when there is a limitation and wait for somebody else to come up with a solution.

So how about you get off your lazy ass and actually contribute something rather than just being a whiny bitch because everything doesnt go your way.

Re:How about porting it... (5, Informative)

Microlith (54737) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542789)

It's also interesting to note that Wayland just shipped on a device. So much for it being "hard to fit into a mobile device." Thanks to libhybris, they just wrap the Android blob for the GPU and continue on like a standard glibc-based Linux system.

Re:How about porting it... (1)

unixisc (2429386) | 1 year,22 days | (#45543039)

Incidentally, what display manager does Sailfish use? X11? Wayland? Something else?

Re:How about porting it... (4, Informative)

Microlith (54737) | 1 year,22 days | (#45543207)

Wayland. On every one of these Jolla devices. X11 was being used early on until recent versions of Qt were released, which added the Qt Compositor API, allowing them to create their own compositor (and do some rather interesting things.)

Re:How about porting it... (1)

exomondo (1725132) | 1 year,22 days | (#45543503)

But is this going to be particularly useful to people? The issues with gesture-based OSes (Meego Harmattan and Blackberry 10 in particular) is they are not discoverable and the spatial awareness problem is tricky, add to that the fact that swiping from the edges gets in the way if you are playing games - which is the key reason Apple had to add the ability to turn off the iOS Control Center swiping gesture. But most importantly the gesture based interface doesn't really add anything of value.

Re:How about porting it... (4, Informative)

CRCulver (715279) | 1 year,22 days | (#45541935)

Lumia phones have an encrypted bootloader. Windows Mobile is the only operating system that can be installed. While there may be a way around this, it has not be discovered by the hacker community yet.

Re:How about porting it... (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542515)

In addition, buying Nokia phones to run other operating systems on would give them money.

Re:How about porting it... (1)

richtopia (924742) | 1 year,22 days | (#45541965)

I would prefer to see it ported to Nexus devices, as it appears that they are the standard for development operating systems. Ubuntu's phone's demo has been on the Nexus 4, and I believe there has been similar efforts with FirefoxOS. Plus, I want a reason to buy the Nexus 5.

Re:How about porting it... (1)

preflex (1840068) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542335)

There is an unofficial build for the N9.

Re:How about porting it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45543005)

How about Asha? Can it be ported there?

Hmm I might get one (3, Interesting)

ickleberry (864871) | 1 year,22 days | (#45541859)

I am sick of the Android+iPhone duopoly and never liked either of those OS to begin with. Now if they could only make a phone with a hardware keyboard

Re:Hmm I might get one (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45541963)

It's called BlackBerry Q10 (or Q5 if you're on a budget)

Re:Hmm I might get one (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542037)

I have a Droid 4 that has a slide out hardware keyboard. Didn't realize that feature was hard to find.

Re:Hmm I might get one (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542139)

It is on a phone with better specs and an unlocked bootloader.

Re:Hmm I might get one (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542197)

I have a Droid 4 that has a slide out hardware keyboard. Didn't realize that feature was hard to find.

Well, if it's slide out, then it's like stealth, man. That's why no one can find it!

Re:Hmm I might get one (4, Interesting)

Apotekaren (904220) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542057)

One of the most important features is the "Other Half" or whatever they're calling it, which is basically a back cover with a digital interface. There are already projects in motion to produce back covers with slide-out keyboards, extra batteries, among other things.

This feature has been seriously underplayed, it's one of the most exciting things about the whole phone!

Re:Hmm I might get one (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542621)

No. There will be no hardware keyboard "other half." The back of the phone has a camera right in the fucking middle of it. There's no way for a hardware keyboard to fit without doing some shitty folding-butterfly effect to go around the camera.

Jolla intended for this phone to not have hardware keyboards. They want it to be a proprietary, NFC-enabled "flash drive" that they can patent and team up with artists for exclusive albums and movies. It is only intended to be a new type of media storage, but slow because it uses NFC. There *may* be an FM-transmitter "other half" down the line as well as one with a kickstand. Congratulations, it's a phone cover that changes the theme's colors to match.

There was a Kickstarter campaign a few weeks ago to build a hardware keyboard for the other half, and it was abandoned because of the camera.

Re:Hmm I might get one (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45543059)

You open the keyboard from locked, exposing the camera, and incidentally, the actual physical shutter button on the side of the keyboard.
As one possible design, for example.

Re:Hmm I might get one (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45543425)

That's quite smart. And it will also protect the camera lens from getting dust, dirt and fingerprints on it. I hate it when I want to take a picture and I realize the phone's camera lens is too dirty.

Re:Hmm I might get one (0)

BasilBrush (643681) | 1 year,22 days | (#45543037)

Hmm. My first reaction when seeing the photos was: That's the worst seam between front and back I've ever seen.

Followed by Who the fuck picked that colour!?

Re:Hmm I might get one (2)

Luckyo (1726890) | 1 year,22 days | (#45543595)

That's not a seam. That's the back part of the phone, which is replaceable. They're gunning for the setup where various different back panels will be made for the phone, which are paired with the phone though a digital connectors. Some of the ideas I've been hearing so far is things like a sliding keyboard backpanel and so on.
The "seam" is where this back panel is connected to the phone itself.

Re:Hmm I might get one (4, Interesting)

marcello_dl (667940) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542579)

As a political choice, or long term strategic move, you might want to support the neo 900 [neo900.org] .

Re:Hmm I might get one (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542845)

swype input with a stylus is a lot faster than thumb-typing on a tiny qwerty keyboard.

But what's its name?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45543619)

So the company is called Jolla, which isn't Nokia, and the OS is called Sailfish, which is kind of Mer, but isn't Meego, and there's linux and Qt and buzzwords and acronyms... BUT WHAT'S THE PHONE CALLED?

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Why such low specs (4, Interesting)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,22 days | (#45541879)

Why are the specs so low?
This is like a phone from 3 years ago.

Re:Why such low specs (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45541999)

Seriously, it sounds like an awesome competitor for BlackBerry.

Re:Why such low specs (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542013)

How much terhaburz would you like to make a phone call?

Re:Why such low specs (4, Interesting)

CRCulver (715279) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542023)

Why are the specs so low? This is like a phone from 3 years ago.

Is that really a problem for a phone that is here announced on a News for Nerds site? It's a phone open to tinkering and running Linux software, which should interest us all. I know that I've breathed new life into my old Nokia N900 by discovering how to work with Emacs on it, which as the old saw goes, is a great operating system. Of course it has always had support for most audio formats (including libre ones), so it continues to satisfying me as a music player. Watching videos, video conferencing, extremely complicated web stuff, well, I can do that on a desktop.

Sure, one can make the point that the phone does not have features state-of-the-art enough to appeal to a mass demographic that could keep the company afloat, but I'm a bit surprised to see Slashdot denizens complaining that it isn't whizbang enough.

Re:Why such low specs (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542175)

My phone is open to tinkering.
Heck, Ubuntu for it exists.

I want both. I might be convinced if all the drivers are in mainline, but we both know that is not the case.

Re:Why such low specs (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542039)

Probably because some people use phones as phones.

Re:Why such low specs (1)

JackieBrown (987087) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542083)

Then why would they need this?

Re:Why such low specs (1)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542797)

Then why would they need /.?

FTFY

Re:Why such low specs (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45543623)

Then they should get a non-smart phone for $20.

Re:Why such low specs (2, Insightful)

Thomas Miconi (85282) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542047)

The crazy thing is, even though you are right that these are low specs by modern standards, these are still basically laptop-level specs. Hell, it would beat a 2006 MacBook *Pro*:

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook_pro_1.67.html [everymac.com]

The convergence between phones and computers is nigh. The Ubuntu Edge concept was ahead of its time, but soon enough smartphones will have enough computing power to fill 95% of people's needs. When that happens, who would want to buy a huge, noisy desktop box rather than just plug a screen+keyboard into the phone that you carry with you all the time anyway?

Same thing for laptops. How long will it take before the majority of "laptops" are actually empty shells into which you can just plug your phone?

Re:Why such low specs (5, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542155)

It would not come close to a 2006 macbook pro.
ARM cpus are not that performant. Ghz is not something you can compare that way.

Re:Why such low specs (1)

quitte (1098453) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542413)

I'm using an ipod touch with a vga adapter modded to accept a usb charger plus an audio cable connected to a monitor to watch itunes-U lectures. As a result I need to be careful to not loose any connections when interacting - such as changing the volume.
Every cable beyond a thin and light charging cable is a pain. So Apple had the right idea with making the new connector for i-devices. However I doubt it accepts long cable lengths.
I agree that we are getting close to our handhelds merging with the portables and even the desktops. But there are still a lot of problems to be solved that only present themselves when interacting with the actual implementation.

Re:Why such low specs (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542751)

It might compete with a 1996 MacBook pro. If they existed?
A 1.4GHz Netburst core is more powerful than a 1.4GHz ARM core. Don't even think about comparing it to a modern x86. They're more like a factor of 10 better.

Re:Why such low specs (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542253)

Personally, I don't really care about the specs of my phone. I think you're much better off getting a cheap phone and then getting a tablet to do all the stuff you'd normally do on your phone. As long as the phone can make calls, send messages, and act as wifi hotspot for my tablet, I'm fine with it. Phones are either too small to do any real tasks, or too large to just be a phone. I'd rather just have a phone that does it's job, and have a tablet to do my actual mobile computing.

Although one thing wrong with this phone is the price. at 400 euros, it's more expensive than the Nexus 5, but with much worse specs. I think it's fine if they want to make a low spec phone, but at least price it accordingly.

Re:Why such low specs (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542325)

I would rather have a slightly larger phone. I am not going to carry a tablet around in public at all times.

I agree the price is too high for what it is.

Re:Why such low specs (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542361)

3 years ago the average phones can make calls back then as they do now, right?
Not every market is targeted towards the bleeding edge nor people change their phones every 3 months to run the latest games like a PC, right?

Re:Why such low specs (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542369)

If you are only making calls this is not the device for you.

Re:Why such low specs (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542727)

The specs are "low" because it's what you can get to manufacture and sell for $400 when your order is not in the millions of units. It's already amazing they managed to sell it at less than a $1000 each for such a small order.

Re:Why such low specs (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542807)

The specs are actually quite close to the iPhone 5C (at half the price), and are low only if you compare them to Android phones specs, which are so huge because of two things: 1. Android is a resource hog, 2. due to Google's tight grip over Android, the only way OEMS can differentiate is through specs.

The Jolla folk are actively trying to fight the second point, and the first point is not applicable to them since they use a "standard" Gnu/Linux stack (Systemd, Wayland, dbus, Qt, zypper).

Moto G (1)

Nemyst (1383049) | 1 year,22 days | (#45541897)

This could've been a nice proposition a few years ago but I think Motorola beat them to the punch with the G. Unless you really, really want MeeGo/Sailfish (or you value a 8mp camera that much), the G is just a better proposition. Better screen (720p), Gorilla Glass 3, quad-core, plus vanilla Android which is pretty great, all for less than half this phone's price. The only unclear thing is whether "4G" means LTE or not, because that's probably one of the biggest things missing in the Moto G.

On the other hand, it means the market for mid-range smartphones is getting more and more interesting!

Re:Moto G (3, Interesting)

Teun (17872) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542611)

I see a huge difference between pure Android and a real GNU/Linux flavour like Sailfish, the latter has so much more to offer.

This sort of development on a respectable OS deserves support.

The N9 successor (4, Interesting)

Ecuador (740021) | 1 year,22 days | (#45541903)

I switched from an N9 to a Galaxy S3 about a year ago (because the N9 lacked some apps I needed - thanks to Nokia abandoning it and alienating developers) and I still think the N9 was a much superior experience to both my Galaxy and my company-issued iPhone.
I' ll keep an eye for this. Hopefully if it catches on it might get a lower price-tag (given that it doesn't use very expensive hardware). The hardware does not seem very high-end, but the native apps are fast (the single-core N9 seemed faster than dual-core Android phones). Plus you get to run Android apps, if they run without problems this should allow people like me who had to switch to Android for the apps to get the phone.
One thing I don't like that much is the IPS screen. I don't mind it has a lower resolution than the current flagship phones, but I would prefer the S-AMOLED that the N9 had (with an always-on clock that did not use almost any battery power!).
Oh, there is also some talk that they will develop replace-able backs, e.g. you will be able to remove the back cover and put in a slide-out qwerty keyboard N900/950 style.
So, keeping an eye out for this, if it is really better than the N9, it could be the phone to have.

Re:The N9 successor (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45541971)

Oh, there is also some talk that they will develop replace-able backs, e.g. you will be able to remove the back cover and put in a slide-out qwerty keyboard N900/950 style.

That would be a serious draw for me, especially if I could re-use that back when they release their next, more powerful handset.

Re:The N9 successor (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542533)

I wish people would stop spreading this rumor. The back of the Jolla phone has a camera right in the middle. There is no way for a hardware keyboard "other-half" to fit.

There was a Kickstarter project a few weeks ago to produce just this, but it is abandoned because it's obvious that Jolla did not intend for the "other half" to be anything more than NFC flash storage for exclusive album releases.

Re:The N9 successor (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45543483)

OMFG, you mean the camera is actually hidden behind the backcover ?!?! Of course it isn't, there's a hole in the backcover. I see no reason why another backcover/device couldn't have such a hole too. The thickness of the backcover will be important, but I'm quite sure it's doable. Or, you know, if the keyboard is sliding, it could just uncover the camera when it's open. Someone already pointed this out in another comment. Next time, give your imagination a chance ;).

Will they buy Microsoft? (0)

ebno-10db (1459097) | 1 year,22 days | (#45541925)

Will they buy Microsoft in the future? That would be sweet. It would have the odd effect though of giving the two most popular OS'es in the world a Finnish tie.

Re:Will they buy Microsoft? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542125)

You do realize that Windows already has a Finnish tie from buying Nokia, right? That's why these folks aren't with Nokia anymore.

Re:Will they buy Microsoft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542157)

Will they buy Microsoft in the future?

Yes, but you're jumping ahead. The first step is Embrace...

Re:Will they buy Microsoft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542451)

a frisk, an embrace, a French-referendum-kiss, cut to the chase,
at the end of the day, he gets bald and impotent, and she can`t lose the maternity stretchmarks, then (in a very dark and sinister manner),
magically,

juST LIKE ZOOKERBOOGERS FB (AKAMAI), T-mob-ELEPHONEY-IN THE ROOM`S AMDOCS, ONAVO (wtf??), AND BENJAMIN NETAN-YAHOO`z ILLEGAL-ISRAELI-EXCSTACY-FUELLED ONE NIGHTER WITH JANET YELLIN!
a Dove Zakheimer flew over the nest and dropped a good-fuck.... and they all got backdoor-fucked-by-the israelis via the NSA foot-in-the-door.

And who let the americans bomb the pipelines, AGAIN? time for a carrier-pigeon, if you ask me, but until then, Sailfish sounds sweet!

Re:Will they buy Microsoft? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542565)

OMG, Janet Yellin`s IPHONE sensors caught her in the act(she-ate-sh..)?!?

big repo, man (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542015)

It can run android apps out of the box.

Re:big repo, man (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542241)

It can but you really want to use native programs. Android compaitibility will get things started, but it's like running Wine on Linux. It works, but it's not what you want to use unless you have to.

The video... (1)

grumpyman (849537) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542207)

... watched it and makes me think: is there any reason to build another phone OS? "Yes" probably only applies to the same crowd giving "Yes" to yet another Linux desktop variation.

Re:The video... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542275)

i doubt you'd question this, if you had owned N900 or N9

Re:The video... (4, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542753)

Yes, because the moment we decide "we don't need any more OSes" is the moment we decide that "innovation" is done and nothing new is to be had unless it comes from Google, Microsoft, or Apple. And that's a bad, bad state to be in.

Re:The video... (2)

SpectreBlofeld (886224) | 1 year,22 days | (#45543625)

Microsoft makes more money from Android than it does from WindowsPhone due to patent royalties. Perhaps Sailfish will be free of such royalties? If so, I can see hardware manufacturers getting behind it (or Tizen, etc) in a big way, especially considering that Android apps will run on it.

Maybe HTC, which has been foundering lately, should produce a Sailfish handset. They could set up their own app store and make some cash that way...

Damn, no hardware keyboard! (1, Insightful)

EzInKy (115248) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542223)

Guess that means I'll just have to keep limping along with my N900 until a decent replacent comes along.

Re:Damn, no hardware keyboard! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542497)

That the point with jollas "second half" some 3rd party could just start making foldable or sliding keyboards for it and connect it to the second half of a Jolla phone.

Re:Damn, no hardware keyboard! (1)

EzInKy (115248) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542671)

Fair enough then. I'll still be holding off buying one though until this unnamed mysterious third party shows up with actual hardware in hand.

Android compatibility (1)

Narishma (822073) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542509)

I don't know if supporting Android apps is a good idea. Won't that kill any chance of having native apps?

Re:Android compatibility (1)

Teun (17872) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542635)

When the native apps are better or just simply faster?

Re:Android compatibility (3, Interesting)

foobar bazbot (3352433) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542973)

I don't know if supporting Android apps is a good idea. Won't that kill any chance of having native apps?

Not necessarily. That issue's widely credited with the failure of OS/2, but that was a time when you drove to a store and bought a boxed application off the shelf, or mail-ordered it. Either way, you wound up with some removable media and installed the software -- there was no other way in practice. (Yes, I know modems did exist.) That means there's no incentive for someone with a Windows app to make an OS/2 port, because it's equal trouble for the consumer to acquire and use my Windows app or my competitor's OS/2 port -- I don't suffer lost sales for my lack of a port, so I I'd be a fool to dedicate the resources to one.

With smartphones, though, the normal method is to go to some app-store and download the app you want -- and this permits differentiation. If the Jolla app-store only carries Jolla-native apps, so that using an Android app requires downloading the .apk with a web browser, then my competitor with a Jolla-native port will get more market share than I do with my Android app, because there's less effort for users to install his app -- I'll have to do my own Jolla port to get in the Jolla app store and compete on an equal footing.

(I'm not sure that's exactly how the Jolla app-store situation will be -- maybe you can just install e.g. the Amazon app store APK, and have two app stores, one for android and one for jolla -- but you can see how that sort of thing lets you have the benefit of using existing Android apps while still giving developers a reason to bother with Jolla-native apps.)

Let the lawsuits begin (1)

ISoldat53 (977164) | 1 year,22 days | (#45542511)

Ex-employees? Any bets on how long it'll take for the first suit to be pressed?

Re:Let the lawsuits begin (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542717)

Na ga happen. Nokia actually funded this company with contributions towards a federal goodwill program that provides funds for nationalistic (Finnish) startups. Jolla has access to Nokia's full patent portfolio under this program, as well as Nokia HERE maps.

The Jolla spinoff was a way for Nokia to continue development of Meego without Microsoft oversight. After the Microsoft acquisition is completed, Nokia cannot make phones until January 2016, after which, a merger between Nokia and Jolla is possible. Nokia has retained its brand, image, and importantly, the "Nokia ringtone" sound. It may be able to get by for a few years on patent royalties. Microsoft only gets the Lumia and Asha lines, and production centers, which were outsourced to Asia anyway.

THIS FP 1FOR GNAA (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45542861)

GNAa and suuport Clearly become

Pronounciation (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45543071)

Is Jolla pronounced hoi-ya, like La Jolla, CA?

Re:Pronounciation (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,22 days | (#45543167)

No

Re:Pronounciation (1)

Rob the Bold (788862) | 1 year,22 days | (#45543255)

No

So no frickin' sharks [10news.com] , then?

Re:Pronounciation (5, Informative)

Luckyo (1726890) | 1 year,22 days | (#45543637)

Yo-lla. Finnish for "dinghy". The joke being about getting away from Elop's "burning platform".

Egocentric world (3, Funny)

StripedCow (776465) | 1 year,22 days | (#45543417)

After *I*-OS, you can now buy a phone running "Selfish-OS".
The question is: who needs a phone in a self-centered world?

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