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CyanogenMod Installer Removed From Google Play Store

timothy posted 1 year,24 days | from the now-that-sounds-ungrateful-to-me dept.

Android 255

sfcrazy writes "[Wednesday] Google asked the CM team to voluntarily remove the [CyanogenMod installer] app from the store or they would be forced to remove it administratively. CM team chose to remove the app voluntarily. According to the CyanogenMod team, Google initially said that the app was in violation of Google's Play's developer terms. When the CM team reached out to the Play team, they found that 'though application itself is harmless, and not actually in violation of their Terms of Service, since it 'encourages users to void their warranty', it would not be allowed to remain in the store.'" You can still install manually, though.

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Where's the outrage?! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548273)

If this were Apple removing an app, everyone would be complaining about the walled garden!

Re:Where's the outrage?! (5, Informative)

somersault (912633) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548319)

The difference is that Apple only allows you to install apps from the official app store. To allow unofficial apps on an Android device, all you need to do is tick a box in the settings menu.

Re: Where's the outrage?! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548411)

And that's the reason why Android is ridden with malware attacks (97% of all mobile malware).

Re: Where's the outrage?! (5, Insightful)

Yoda222 (943886) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548453)

So you have basically the choice between a phone (or tablet) where you can install stuff that you don't want and one where you can't install what you want.

WHAT HAPPENED TO KDAWSON!? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548505)

I haven't been here in ages because of all of his and timothy's retarded posts. I can't find a single one? Did Dice finally fire the little tool?

Re:WHAT HAPPENED TO KDAWSON!? (0)

crossmr (957846) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548565)

Kdawson has thankfully been gone for awhile now, unfortunately timothy picked up right where he left-off. I'm half convinced they are the same person.

Re:WHAT HAPPENED TO KDAWSON!? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#45548773)

Do you know what happened exactly and when exactly?

Come on, you DOUCHEBAG MODS. Mod me down too. Despite there being no other place to ask this, come on, waste another modpoint.

Re: Where's the outrage?! (2)

VortexCortex (1117377) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548603)

So you have basically the choice between a phone (or tablet) where you can install stuff that you don't want and one where you can't install what you want.

Yeah, it would be great if you could add 3rd party software sources' signing keys like on nearly every GNU/Linux OS... Android isn't GNU it's just Linux.

Re: Where's the outrage?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#45548729)

Or buy a blackberry and run the 10.2.1 update. That way you can install the malware, but it's easier to uninstall without taking over your phone.

Re: Where's the outrage?! (1)

liquidpele (663430) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548513)

Yea, I do feel like android should make the bar just a *little* higher for installing from random places...

Re: Where's the outrage?! (4, Insightful)

Oliver Wendell Jones (158103) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548597)

And there are ample anti-malware/anti-virus apps available for Android in the Play Store. I'm on my 4th Android phone and have installed all kinds of software, legit and less so, and have yet to encounter any malware or viruses. Know how many are available in the Apple iTunes store? Zero. If they allowed one to be listed, it would be admitting that their precious iPhones are vulnerable.

Re: Where's the outrage?! (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#45548867)

Who gives a fuck? Don't install malware and you won't have malware.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548531)

We're a step closer to Google asking that button to voluntarily remove itself from the interface.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#45548911)

Until Google decides to remove that box.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (5, Insightful)

MrLint (519792) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548335)

How about being outraged on the premise that installing of software is a warranty violation. I'd not be at all surprised that Verizon was involved.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548373)

Did you even read the summary?

Re:Where's the outrage?! (2)

rainwater (530678) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548395)

The warranty violation is unlocking the bootloader which this app requires (and is done by the companion app).

Re:Where's the outrage?! (3, Informative)

somersault (912633) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548479)

When I read an article it suggested that even just rooting the device was a warranty violation.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (2, Informative)

Nerdfest (867930) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548611)

You need to unlock the bootloader to root.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (2)

xvan (2935999) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548717)

No, you don't... You need to unlock the bootloader to replace the kernel, and a custom kernel might (or might not) be a requirement to install CM...

Re:Where's the outrage?! (2)

Nerdfest (867930) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548757)

I've needed to unlock it for every phone I've rooted, although perhaps there is a way to get superuser active on some without doing it.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548865)

That's interesting, because it's not "standard".

Usually, rooting and unlocking the bootloader are two separate issues. My phone was rooted for a long time before I unlocked the bootloader.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548883)

Exploit based, I assume? I haven't had to rely on that, although if you don't have to unlock the bootloader it's a better way to go.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (1)

Nemyst (1383049) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548751)

That's only true of some devices. Many root techniques use exploits which are entirely invisible to OEMs and don't require unlocking.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (4, Informative)

msauve (701917) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548639)

Verizon doesn't warrant the phones, the manufacturers do. Not every warranty includes terms denying coverage for unauthorized software installation (e.g. HTC [htc.com] , Samsung [samsung.com] ), but some do (Google owned Motorola [custhelp.com] ).

HTC and Samsung don't cover damage caused by unauthorized modification (which would include installing another OS), but lacking anything which would point to that as the cause, there's no disclaimer. Google's Motorola, OTOH, specifically says they won't cover the product at all, damaged or not.

MOTOROLA STRONGLY RECOMMENDS AGAINST ALTERING A PRODUCT'S OPERATING SYSTEM, WHICH INCLUDES UNLOCKING THE BOOTLOADER, ROOTING A DEVICE OR RUNNING ANY OPERATING SOFTWARE OTHER THAN THE APPROVED VERSIONS ISSUED BY MOTOROLA AND ITS PARTNERS. SUCH ALTERATIONS MAY PERMANENTLY DAMAGE YOUR PRODUCT, CAUSE YOUR PRODUCT TO BE UNSAFE AND/OR CAUSE YOUR PRODUCT TO MALFUNCTION. IN SUCH CASES, NEITHER THE PRODUCT NOR ANY DAMAGE RESULTING THEREFROM WILL BE COVERED BY THIS WARRANTY.

read it again (1)

Chirs (87576) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548955)

Techncially they only deny warranty coverage if the different operating system damaged the product, caused it to be unsafe, or caused it to malfunction.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (1)

somersault (912633) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548347)

(though considering you posted this 2 minutes after the story went live, when there were no other comments.. you're clearly just a shill who knows there is is no reason for outrage)

Re:Where's the outrage?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548457)

Says something you don't agree with, must be a shill. Your tinfoil hat is too tight friend.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (2)

somersault (912633) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548575)

Nope. Abrasive first post within a minute or two of story being posted. Sometimes they've actually been several paragraphs long. Some people are literally paid to try to sway opinion here. If you pay attention, then you'd notice. Others have put up much more informative posts about the actual company that does all this bullshit, though I can't remember the name. It's not paranoia, it's simply how business and marketing works these days.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#45548703)

Oh FFS. It's a one-line post from an AC. Probably posted AC to prevent "I don't agree with you -1 Troll" mods from Apple fanbois. You've completely misused the word "shill".

Posted AC because I've recently gone from 3 years of "Excellent" karma to "Good" for all the "I don't agree with you -1 Troll mods" I got ina single thread about Obamacare.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (1)

somersault (912633) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548817)

Nope. I meant shill as in a literal paid shill. I'm not sure if it's still the same guy that was being a North Korea apologist all the time though.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (1)

chihowa (366380) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548859)

Stories are available to subscribers before they go live and they are available to everyone on the firehose. (It's pretty obvious if a firehose story is going to go live.)

I'm not denying that there are paid shills here, but there are other innocuous explanations for long replies posted soon after a story goes live.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (1)

somersault (912633) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548931)

Well, the content of it made it very obvious in the cases that I'm thinking of. There was one where a guy was going on and on about stuff like Windows Server and Visual Studio, while clearly having very little idea about software development methods and philosophies outside of the Windows world. It was kind of amusing in a way. He'd had this massive pro-MS anti-Google post lined up for the minute that the story went live. I think that's when I realised that people are actually being paid to do this stuff, and then I saw some comments here later with a bit more detective work into the actual company (or companies) behind such posts. There was one guy in particular who had a lot of new accounts, kept saying "frankly" and some other give-away phrases, and couldn't resist any discussion involving Asia - especially North Korea. Bizarre.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#45548871)

No one is paid to post on Slashdot. You know why? Because this site doesn't have the user base anymore to sway any opinion at all. The mfgs don't care what we think, and haven't for a while.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (5, Insightful)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548363)

Well, the CM team is free to distribute their app in other ways. Apple is a little more strict about only allowing apps from their store to be installed. I know jail breaking and all that, but if you're going to jail break your apple device you should already understand the risks and be technically savvy enough to do it.

Google shouldn't have to allowed a known "potentially" dangerous app in their store. Anyone with the expertise required to use this firmware can go and get it from the Cyanogen website. It doesn't need to be advertised in the app store for non-technical people to download. Without researching it I'm sure a laymen would think firmware is some kind of a game and could mess up their device without knowing it. Then who's going to take the blame. I suspect it would be Google for distributing it, a laymen will never take responsibility for using something they didn't understand.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (2)

dc29A (636871) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548417)

If you want to gain traction, 'distribute in other ways' won't fly because it's far simpler to install an app from Google Play than to download from a site into sd card, tick a box in some settings, get a file manager to navigate to app and tap click to install it.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (3, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548451)

If you want to gain traction, 'distribute in other ways' won't fly because it's far simpler to install an app from Google Play than to download from a site into sd card, tick a box in some settings, get a file manager to navigate to app and tap click to install it.

Your argument hinges on the belief that the users who want CM are unable or unwilling to perform those actions. That assertion is unproven at best. You also don't need a full file manager; you can simply use an APK installer. Some of them are truly teensy tiny. Also, web browsers will sometimes install APKs directly. I don't use Chrome, because it sucks, but Fennec will do it. And you can also open downloads directly from the downloads manager if you download them with the included crap browser.

Now, personally, I do use ES File Explorer for this purpose, both for downloading and for opening the APK, but there's no actual need.

I am running CM nightlies on Franco's kernel. I flashed recovery manually, though.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548577)

That assertion is unproven at best

Common sense should dictate it. If you are seriously suggesting that not having your app in the Play store isn't a MAJOR hindrance to adoption, you just don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Some neckbeards looking for hipster apps not available elsewhere are not representative of the market at large, which was what GP was talking about.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548617)

Common sense should dictate it. If you are seriously suggesting that not having your app in the Play store isn't a MAJOR hindrance to adoption, you just don't know what the hell you're talking about.

If you are seriously suggesting that all apps are created equal, you're just an asshole.

Some neckbeards looking for hipster apps not available elsewhere are not representative of the market at large, which was what GP was talking about.

How convenient that the CM installer is basically a hipster app. How many people do you know actually using features provided by CM that aren't provided by a clean stock reflash, or through other means? Neckbeards are the primary audience! People who can't manage to reflash their phones without the installer will also be unable to reflash their phones with it. Google provides you information on how to unlock their devices, as do some others, so if you bought a device meant to be unlocked then you'll have no problem installing CM.

There's still a CM-related app in the play store, which by the way performs all the non-unlocking parts. So it's not like users won't be able to be attracted to CM via the Play store.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (4, Insightful)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548467)

Modifying device firmware should never be a one click download from an app store. If you want to modify your devices firmware than you should know how to "download from a site into sd card, tick a box in some settings, get a file manager to navigate to app and tap click to install it" otherwise there are going to be a lot of spoiled teens out there with broken phones and tablets and parents blaming Google for messing up their kids $400+ device.

I really want to say just getting their story on /. is a good way to gain traction with the people that actually have the expertise to use this product, but I'm absolute miffed by the number of comments, already, on this story where the commented doesn't know the difference between software and firmware and doesn't understand why that would void a devices warranty.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (3, Informative)

MrNemesis (587188) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548825)

It isn't a one-click method to install the CM firmware though - just a method of making the installation via PC less painless. All the app does is basically enable USB debug and help with the ADB setup.

Ars did a pretty decent writeup of the installation process here; http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/android-roms-the-easy-way-testing-the-new-cyanogenmod-installer/ [arstechnica.com] - it's certainly not a one-step job.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (2)

rtb61 (674572) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548927)

The problem is they have decided to shift control of application installation into firmware, not for the benefit of the consumer but to lock the consumer into their market place and severely limit competitive choice. Is likely to be very worthwhile to start driving in that wedge between Android and the annoying Goggle App store and start pushing for more FOSS applications on places like http://sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net] . People who buy unlocked phones expect them to be 'Unlocked' not not just partly unlocked.

PC owners for decades didn't need to be controlled by an app store and there is absolutely no reason smart phone user should except for greed of certain organisation seeking to pretend to be old world media publishers and seeking a cut for basically nothing other than an artificial anti-competitive barrier they purposefully created.

And yes, "OH THE HORROR" people have been updating hardware drivers (firmware) on PCs for decades. Ahh the FUD, the FUD, all to keep people looked into the kiddy pool app store.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (1)

kav2k (1545689) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548637)

Why would you want to fiddle with the SD card? Your mobile browser is perfectly capable of downloading the APK, opening it without a file manager and then if it won't install it's one tick in the settings.

FDroid, Yandex, Amazon, direct download... (4, Insightful)

coder111 (912060) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548517)

There are plenty of alternatives to the official Google App Store.

I'm not sure if it's a good thing they removed it from the official store or not. If it was up to me I'd probably allow it with big red letters saying "THIS WILL VOID YOUR WARRANTY AND MIGHT BRICK YOUR PHONE". OTOH people installing stuff from official Google App Store don't expect these things to happen, so maybe it's a good thing for the masses that this app was removed... And tech-savy people will find ways to get Cyanogen installed anyway.

--Coder

Re:Where's the outrage?! (0)

crossmr (957846) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548569)

a little more strict? That's like saying hitler had a slight preference for blue eyes...

Re:Where's the outrage?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548673)

If you do something you take *the blame* for it.

Passing the buck, claiming "I didn't know" is foolish and retarded. Don't care if you believe in personal responsibility or not, I do, so if you do it, you're responsible for your own actions, make sure you research / read up before you do something.

All this coddling / holding of hands is for the mentally deficient (Read as: Apple customers), anyone with more than 3 brain cells to rub together should be capable of reading up, and deciding for themselves if they want to do something.

Android is a lot like UNIX (the real UNIX, not the washed out Apple BSD variant). When you execute a command, it expects 2 things..

#1 You know what you're doing
#2 You wanted it to do the action you told it to do

If not, too bad, because it doesn't ask "are you sure" 50 times before doing it.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (1)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548821)

I agree with you, taking personal responsibility is important. The problem being those like us who willingly admit when they've done something wrong rather than pointing the figure are in the minority. And the Media loves to pick up stories that cause outrage because some yokel didn't lock their phone or let their 12 year old play with it and ended up with a $5000+ phone bill. Who gets blamed for that?I'm pretty sure the finger is normally pointed at the service provider because they didn't make it hard enough to do.

Now in some cases I can clearly see the service provider is intentionally creating a confusing scenario or just being a jerk, like the person that had a huge cell bill in BC because their phone was connecting to an American cell network that was over powering the service providers, but for the most part your right on the button.

http://f-droid.org (1)

RandySC (9804) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548709)

http://f-droid.org/ [f-droid.org] is full of opensource goodies, and has a nice package manager.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548371)

If this were Apple removing an app, everyone would be complaining about the walled garden!

There's your answer. There's no walled garden here, so it makes no sense to complain about one.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (1)

RaceProUK (1137575) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548917)

Well, there is a walled garden. The difference is this one has a huge gate that you can walk through at any time. You can even go inside someone else's walled garden.

In that way, Android's a bit like the Chelsea Flower Show - many gardens to choose from.

Re:Where's the outrage?! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548401)

You're the first post and you're wondering where the outrage is?

Re:Where's the outrage?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548529)

sweet catch

Re:Where's the outrage?! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548485)

If this were Apple removing an app, everyone would be complaining about the walled garden!

You expect fairness and applying same standard from the hordes of Google fans on /.? Are you new here?

Re:Where's the outrage?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548507)

As many others here can attest I put CM on my devices long before this app was available by following some pretty straight forward steps.

Is the 'walled garden' the same? Does android ever "reflash" your device to remove your jailbreak for you and then prevent you from going back to an older version?

Re:Where's the outrage?! (1)

Killjoy_NL (719667) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548765)

And rightfully so, however, Google isn't making it impossible to install the CM mod or the installer.
I can understand their point of view, if a newb user is using this to install a different firmware and screws it up, he/she can't fix it and will try to claim warranty, which it will not be given. Then there would be courtcases and other shitstorm stuff that would damage Google because the user was stupid.

Voluntarily? (3, Insightful)

jbmartin6 (1232050) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548281)

This doesn't' seem all that voluntary to me. My reaction was yeah sure you go ahead and remove it, why should we do you any favors?

Re:Voluntarily? (2)

Nerdfest (867930) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548303)

Yeah, it sounds more like "resigning" before you get fired.

Re:Voluntarily? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548365)

I was thinking more like "donating" the entire contents of your wallet to that nice friendly criminal you're facing.

Re:Voluntarily? (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548317)

They should have let Google remove it and then Google would get flamed for the decision more.

Re:Voluntarily? (3, Interesting)

mike260 (224212) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548381)

Perhaps making Google look bad isn't their #1 goal. Righteous indignation is cool and all but they're a business.

Re:Voluntarily? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#45548851)

Righteous indignation is cool and all but they're a business.

Could you please explain that in more detail? Because I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how CyanogenMod counts as a business.

Re:Voluntarily? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#45548965)

Righteous indignation is cool and all but they're a business.

Could you please explain that in more detail? Because I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how CyanogenMod counts as a business.

I think this explains it [cyanogenmod.org]

Re:Voluntarily? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548391)

yeah, should have forced it on them, nothing to gain except "goodwill" from google and frankly I don't see them working with that (it's not goodwill to get asked to have it removed in the first place).

also, since when does google ask for that anyways? afaik they just remove it normally, doing it this way is abnormal.

Re:Voluntarily? (1)

robmv (855035) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548435)

Because they aren't violating the current Terms of Service (TOS), but probably will. I expect and update to the Google Play TOS soon. I think it is better to ask for it to be removed instead of not giving any info or giving vague ones (Apple style) of why it is removed.

Re:Voluntarily? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548473)

Exactly what i thought too. How nice of them to ask if they'll remove it or cry and remove it. In this case very much fuck you google. Especially since it's not actually in violation of their Terms of Service. Fuck you google, Fuck you.

Re:Voluntarily? (2)

somersault (912633) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548599)

It's pretty hilarious that you'd get so worked up over it, when it was Google that created and open sourced Android, which makes it easier for projects like Cyanogen Mod to exist in the first place.

Google are still allowing it to be installed - they're probably just trying to play nice with the phone service providers by doing this.

It would be pretty stupid if one of the apps in your app store requires you to root your device to get any functionality at all. There are some Play Store apps out there where some functionality won't work without root, but I'm not sure if there are any such high profile projects that entirely depend on it.

Re:Voluntarily? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#45548973)

Ummm, google BOUGHT android [businessweek.com]

Article was corrected (4, Informative)

jbmartin6 (1232050) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548295)

Note from the article "Removed reference to Google stating the app was not in violation of TOS – this was a mischaracterization of Google’s statement."

Re:Article was corrected (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548567)

So why was it pulled then? Just because Google wanted it to be gone? Or maybe because CM was trying to get shipped on devices?

Cyanogen Mod Goes Commercial To Make "Available On Everything, To Everyone"
http://slashdot.org/story/13/09/18/1626237/cyanogen-mod-goes-commercial-to-make-available-on-everything-to-everyone [slashdot.org]

Voiding Warranty? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548331)

How can it be considered voiding the warranty?

It's like Dell saying that if you delete Windows, format your hard disk and install Linux, you void the warranty on your PC.

Re:Voiding Warranty? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548375)

Craputer manufacturers are doing that, actually.

Re:Voiding Warranty? (1)

qbast (1265706) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548621)

Wipe bios, overwrite it with some random crap and see if your warranty is still valid.

Re:Voiding Warranty? (2)

DahGhostfacedFiddlah (470393) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548743)

Like it or not, mobile software is tightly-coupled to the hardware, and the warranty. I expect the manufacturers consider this more akin to wiping the firmware on your TV, microwave, or car.

Re:Voiding Warranty? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#45548781)

Wait; you don't see how installing something like an overclocking kernel could possibly damage the phone? There is this thing called Google - you can use it to see how that could, indeed, in certain cases, cause some damage to the hardware (generally from overheating or the like).

Embrace, extend and extinguish (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548351)

I don't know why you fandroid lusers keep thinking Google is the greatest...

Happy Thankscroogling!

Google is a pile of shit (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548357)

The people in charge are apparently completely clueless of anything long-term.

I want to block ALL Google hosts. And I mean ALL of them - Gmail, search, analytics, crawlers, Google play etc. I want to do it in my router.
Does anyone have a good list of hosts? Or does anyone have a better suggestion?

Re:Google is a pile of shit (4, Funny)

Barny (103770) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548491)

Just unplug the router, fashion a tinfoil hat and wear it while crying yourself to sleep in a corner. Google is the internet, get used to it.

Re:Google is a pile of shit (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548605)

Yeah, just like the USA is the world. No, I'm not getting used to it. If all you use the Internet for is to like, give thumbs up and watch kitten clips, sure. I get it you don't want to block the anal probing.

Re:Google is a pile of shit (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#45548793)

This post really highlights what's wrong with the world today. Let me guess... You also don't care about being tracked or spied on? Because you do nothing wrong. So you don't have anything to fear. Right?

Re:Google is a pile of shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#45548929)

I use Android and have no Google accounts, none. I block google analytics on my router (dd-wrt). It is possible.

Re:Google is a pile of shit (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548683)

The solution to your problem lies on the foundations of it.

i.e.: Ask yourself why you want to block all Google hosts and open your mind to a new solution to that same problem. One that while less evident may well be more feasible.

Re:Google is a pile of shit (1)

game kid (805301) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548945)

i.e.: Ask yourself why you want to block all Google hosts and open your mind to a new solution to that same problem. One that while less evident may well be more feasible.

I'm increasingly trying to find reasons not to block. Their G+ tracker icons and toolbar are now all over the place (even saw the toolbar on Liveleak, of all places, at one point). They've extended their Real Name harassment to anyone who logs on to GMail. (They've done it only once for me, for now, as opposed to the every-reload rain of creepy that sent me flying from YouTube, but a day or so before that incident I also had to unblock plus.google.com to even log in. My account was apparently not "upgraded" by that, but still...at least buy me dinner first.)

"Pile of shit"? Not quite, but they're aiming for it and have already reached "damage to the internet".

Reached out (5, Insightful)

Alioth (221270) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548359)

They didn't "reach out to Google", they contacted Google. Using "reached out to" in this context makes it sound like they are trying to make an emotional appeal to an elderly stroke patient. The perfectly usable verb "contact" is also one word instead of three.

Re: Reached out (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548393)

I think the idea was that they tried to work with Google in a positive way, rather than simply contacting them, which could have any number of connotations, both positive and negative.

Re: Reached out (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548627)

Wrongo. The phrase "reached out to" was used because it's become the trendy way to say "contact". It's showing up in all kinds of copy, news and otherwise, and it's revolting. It's PR speak at its worst and you're witnessing its universal adoption.

Re: Reached out (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#45548707)

Let me reach into you and ask what has the trendy saying "wrongo" substituted?

Google. The new Apple/IBM. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548385)

If by 'encourage(s) users to void their warranty'" you mean "use the thing you paid for however you see fit in concordance with a thousand year history of English, Formal and natural law, then yeah, I guess you could say it voids your warranty.

It's just amazing seeing, first Apple, and now Google, transform themselves into the modern IBM with their ever encroaching and desperate "lock in" policies. I guess it shouldn't be surprising. Seeing as the user is the product being sold, Google can't have their products (users vis a vie control of the user experience) just walking off the plantation, now can they?

Re:Google. The new Apple/IBM. (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548631)

Most people running CyanogenMod still run pretty much the same Google apps as those running stock, as far as I've ever seen. I don't think there's any alterior motives for this.

Re:Google. The new Apple/IBM. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#45548737)

Or even ulterior ones.

Re:Google. The new Apple/IBM. (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548835)

Or anterior motives even. :o)

The thing is, though, without all the bloatware that Google puts in "stock" Android, Google doesn't get all the user data they normally would. Especially now that they've forced everybody into Google+.

Re:Google. The new Apple/IBM. (5, Insightful)

Bogtha (906264) | 1 year,24 days | (#45548657)

If by 'encourage(s) users to void their warranty'" you mean "use the thing you paid for however you see fit in concordance with a thousand year history of English, Formal and natural law, then yeah, I guess you could say it voids your warranty.

Oh do fuck off. Warranties are limited in nature. It's got nothing to do with stopping you from doing what you want with your own property and everything to do with the fact that if you fuck up your own phone, it's not the manufacturer's problem to solve.

Seeing as the user is the product being sold, Google can't have their products (users vis a vie control of the user experience) just walking off the plantation, now can they?

Google deciding not to distribute an application is not akin to making you into their slave. Pointing out that a warranty might be voided if you do certain things is not akin to making you into their slave. All your analogies to "walking off the plantation" do is highlight that you have absolutely no sense of perspective on this matter.

Re:Google. The new Apple/IBM. (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548963)

"All your analogies to "walking off the plantation" do is highlight that you have absolutely no sense of perspective on this matter. "

WHOOSH

GP was referring to the user data that "stock" Android collects for Google, as opposed to Cyanogenmod, which by itself collects none.

Re:Google. The new Apple/IBM. (2)

Shavano (2541114) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548951)

If by 'encourage(s) users to void their warranty'" you mean "use the thing you paid for however you see fit in concordance with a thousand year history of English, Formal and natural law, then yeah, I guess you could say it voids your warranty.

That's something of an overstatement. Can you show us a thousand year history of products coming with warranties and a body of law that deals with it?

Companies that SELL stuff normally take a position that if you modify it in such a way that it no longer performs the purpose for which they designed it to be used, that's your responsiblity and has nothing to do with their warranty whether written or implied.

It's just amazing seeing, first Apple, and now Google, transform themselves into the modern IBM with their ever encroaching and desperate "lock in" policies.

Apple has always been playing the lock in game. Try running any software written for your Apple computer -- any generation -- on a non-Apple machine. Doesn't fucking work, does it? And they've got proprietary file formats too.

I guess it shouldn't be surprising. Seeing as the user is the product being sold, Google can't have their products (users vis a vie control of the user experience) just walking off the plantation, now can they?

CM isn't walking off Google's plantation. Cyanogenmod is very very much stock Android, with a few added bells and whistles. And it's not walking off your mobile provider's plantation either, because it leaves your phone locked to your carrier without further modification. But it does let you uninstall the crapware that most phones come with from your carrier.

I think their objection is that they want to avoid this situation:
1. Joe User installs CM Installer from the Market.
2. Joe User installs CyanogenMod on his phone.
3. The CM version he manages to install is either wrong for his phone or in some other way doesn't work to his satisfaction.
4. He lacks the expertise to reinstall his phone's stock firmware.
5. According to Joe User, his phone is "broken."
6. Joe takes his phone to the store or warranty service center of his carrier.
7. Carrier or manufacturer absorbs the cost of either replacing or restoring Joe's phone to stock or
8. They tell Joe to pound sand because he voided his warranty, permanently souring Joe on their service.
9. Carrier or manufacturer sues Google over encouraging Joe and millions of other Joes like him to fuck up their phones, which is costing THEM money.

This of course is a little modified in the case where Google is the manufacturer. In that case, it's a direct cost to Google of phones being returned to them for repair or replacement. They want no part of that.

How realistic is it that CM will fuck up your phone? In my experience, plenty. My phone won't run any CM correctly past 10.1.2. 10.1.3 and subsequent versions break the battery charging and USB connectivity. I thought it was a hardware problem until I downgraded.

Topmost stupid internet names (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548413)

1. cyanomodgen

How long before 'certified' devices (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,24 days | (#45548421)

How long before 'certified' devices only allow Play store installs. I say 2 years tops.

Install manually? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548711)

Can everyone side-load these days or do some carriers still lock that down?

Encouraging? (1, Funny)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548731)

Go on... void your warranty. All the cool kids are doing it.

What, What? (1)

Greyfox (87712) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548791)

They had an installer on the play store? Well I'd say that would have made things easier last time I installed, but it wasn't really all that difficult last time I installed it. On a Galaxy S3 it was just a matter of grabbing the CM image for the phone, grabbing a recovery image I could flash with odin, flashing the recovery image to the phone, booting to it and installing the CM image from the external SD card. The only tricky part was if the phone was allowed to reboot to the stock image, it'd rewrite the stock recovery without so much as an irritable warning message.

And that android phone can be used (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,23 days | (#45548795)

And that android phone can be used to steal government secrets and make you a traitor!

So Google needs to remove this "Android" app from the phones, because that's even worse than merely voiding a warranty!

I feel okay with this. (3, Insightful)

pla (258480) | 1 year,23 days | (#45548885)

The peripheral legal implications aside, and at the risk of sounding like a Google apologist, I really can't say I have any problem with this.

The sort of people who want to install CM will still have absolutely no problem going to the website and doing it manually. This presents no barrier to them exercising their choice of how to use their hardware.

On the flip side of that, having it in the Play store presents something of an outright danger to people who don't know any better (aka "the vast majority")... "Oh, a new version of Android? Hey, I have an Android, I should grab this!". Ten minutes later, their battery dies, or they get sick of watching the installer screen and interrupt it. Oops! Partial brick-time, and now Google (via Samsung/HTC/etc, via Verizon/Sprint/etc) gets to deal with thousands of self-inflicted warranty issues.

Again, at the risk of sounding like an apologist, Google has made compromises that let power-users do whatever the hell they want, while providing 99% of the "walled garden" experience most users want.
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