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Jolla: Ex-Nokia Employees Launch Smartphone (MeeGo Resurrected)

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the back-again dept.

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mrspoonsi writes "A team of ex-Nokia employees has released the first handset running on a new smartphone platform. The Jolla phone — pronounced Yol-la — is powered by open-source operating system Sailfish, but can run most apps designed for Google's Android platform. The platform — originally called MeeGo — was developed by Nokia, but dumped in 2011 in favour of the company adopting the Windows Phone system. Nokia released just one handset running the software, the N9-00. Antti Saarnio, chairman and co-founder of Jolla, told the BBC in May that MeeGo — now called Sailfish — had not been given enough chance to succeed."

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doop (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45552753)

Duper

Re:doop (3, Funny)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about a year ago | (#45552863)

THE STORY SHALL BE REPOSTED UNTIL THE CRYING CEASES.

Think of it as less of a dupe and more of a commandment to buy one.

*sigh* (4, Interesting)

CreamyG31337 (1084693) | about a year ago | (#45553023)

Actually, as an experienced MeeGo developer, this just makes me sad because they won't sell one to North Americans. Nokia did this to us with the N9 too, but at least they sent me a developer device. These guys still haven't released the official GSM/LTE frequencies it supports for some stupid reason, so I don't even know if I should bother trying to import one.

Re:*sigh* (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about a year ago | (#45553055)

That is mindblowingly sad. :( I wanted one, too!

Re:*sigh* (4, Insightful)

kthreadd (1558445) | about a year ago | (#45553067)

Jolla is a very small company and doesn't have the resources to ship to the entire world from day one. I'm sure they will ship to North American customers as soon as they can.

Re:*sigh* (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#45553163)

That still doesn't explain why the information on frequency support on the shipping model is hard to come by. One presumes that they settled that quite some time ago...

Re:*sigh* (4, Interesting)

GNious (953874) | about a year ago | (#45553267)

From Jolla's website:

GSM/3G/4G LTE* (Works on 6 continents).

Which doesn't answer your question, but should mean that it works unless you're living in Antarctica :)

GSM Arena says:

2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE

yeah, probably not trustworthy, but one would hope they have a (semi-)official source for it.

Disclaimer: Mine is in the mail... :)

Re:*sigh* (1)

geert (2624) | about a year ago | (#45553903)

From Jolla's website:

GSM/3G/4G LTE* (Works on 6 continents).

Which doesn't answer your question, but should mean that it works unless you're living in Antarctica :)

In my old school days, America was one continent, so 6 includes Antarctica ;-)

Re:*sigh* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45554015)

In my older school days there was only 1 continent.

But seriously, what retarded school teaches to count North and South America as 1 continent and giving a total of 6 continents. If S&N A. are 1 continent then Asia&Europe are also 1 giving a total of 5.

Re:*sigh* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45554211)

It depends on if you look before or after they built the Panama canal. Before one continent, after there was two.

Re:*sigh* (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45554253)

That would be when all locks are open, which me thinks is never gonna happen.

Re:*sigh* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45554355)

By that logic Africa would have been a part of Eurasia before the Suez canal.

Re:*sigh* (1)

fatphil (181876) | about a year ago | (#45554175)

Eurasia, America, Africa, Oceania, Antarctica, ... what's missing?

Re:*sigh* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45554217)

Russia

Re:*sigh* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553597)

Jolla is a very small company and doesn't have the resources to ship to the entire world from day one. I'm sure they will ship to North American customers as soon as they can.

And just to whet your appetite, the 'resurrected' MeeGo OS will have a zombie theme.

Re:*sigh* (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#45554079)

Jolla is a very small company and doesn't have the resources to ship to the entire world from day one. I'm sure they will ship to North American customers as soon as they can.

Actually, even when a big fat company like Samsung launches a product, many times it is initially available only in Korea for some while.

Re:*sigh* (1)

John.Banister (1291556) | about a year ago | (#45554087)

Is this a "permission from the FCC" thing? I got on Jolla's mailing list, tried to purchase when they said that the were taking orders, found out I couldn't, and then later gave money to the Neo N900 guys, because even though they seem to be very small and in early stages of development, they're willing to do business with me.

Re:*sigh* (1)

Buchenskjoll (762354) | about a year ago | (#45554387)

Jolla means dingy, so SHIPping to North America might take some time. All bad puns are intentional.

Re:*sigh* (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553125)

Look, stop whining and use a reshipping service. I did that to get a Lytro to Europe. There were absolutely zero issues sending it to Indiana instead ;)
If you want your device, there are ways to get it.

Look out Samsung! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45554331)

There's only 500 of the things available at launch apparently, I should hope they sold them all already. Look out Samsung!

Come on eds... (4, Insightful)

wbr1 (2538558) | about a year ago | (#45552763)

Re:Come on eds... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45552797)

You do realize that they are not doing this on accident don't you? Why create new content when you can just recycle the old?

Re:Come on eds... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45552861)

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Good job editors (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45552775)

You posted this story yesterday.

Re:Good job editors (2)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year ago | (#45552793)

You posted this story yesterday.

Except yesterday here is today in Australia and Japan.

Re:Good job editors (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45552801)

Who cares? It's still 2 stories posted over a day apart.

Re:Good job editors (4, Funny)

phluid61 (2501032) | about a year ago | (#45552869)

Actually, yesterday here in Australia is today in backwards regions like the USA.

Jesus... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45552791)

...Christ on a cross - the dupe was only posted yesterday!

Does the title of 'editor' even actually mean anything anymore on this site?

Re:Jesus... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45552911)

Does the title of 'editor' even actually mean anything anymore on this site?

Did it ever?

Re:Jesus... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553539)

To be fair, yesterday was Thanksgiving holiday in the US, so the editors might not have been paying full attention to the site.

Re:Jesus... (2)

RaceProUK (1137575) | about a year ago | (#45553943)

To be fair, yesterday existed, so the editors might not have been paying full attention to the site.

FTFY

meego Post (1)

deysOfBits (2198798) | about a year ago | (#45552807)

meego Post

i just bought a nexus 7 tablet for black friday... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45552837)

what a piece of shit! all you google retards whining and complained about how ipads don't have sd slots and they're "all locked down" and blah blah blah...so i'm like ok i won't get the ipad mini for $250, let me get the nexus...first: NO MicroSD slot! wow man, it's almost like a real ipad! ok, well at least it's not some "walled garden" right? ok, so where is the file system browser...looking....looking...oh THERE ISN'T ONE! Cool man, it's almost like a real ipad! let's ok, well at least I can browse the web and watch youtube and crap like on my pc....oh wait, i have to SIGN INTO A GOOGLE ACCOUNT so the creepy assholes at Google and NSA can see every fucking funny cat and weird porno I watch in bed? now that's NOT LIKE AN ipad! At least Tim Cook isn't all up in my fucking browsing habits logging every porn site and time waste meme board i go to! What an unequivocal peice of SHIT! Oh, oh, but underneath the layers of proprietary Google cruft, Java bloatware layer, waaay down underneath there's a fucking Linux kernel so I guess that makes it good?! No, no, it fucking does not make it good. FUCK ANDROID.

Re:i just bought a nexus 7 tablet for black friday (0)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#45552903)

sure you did.

just install the fucking filebrowser.

Rhythm Software File Manager with SMB support (3, Informative)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#45552915)

And if you need it spelled out to you: Install Rhythm Software File Manager [google.com] . It can not only browse files stored on your tablet but also copy whole folders on and off a Windows or Samba share.

Re:Rhythm Software File Manager with SMB support (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553037)

Ok, so i loaded up some audiobooks...the mp3 skips when the screen rotates! my god damn fucking iphone can play an mp3 and rotate the screen without fucking up! Linux people have been using hacked together trash for so long they don't even know what well designed technology looks like any more. So sad.

Old Android vs. new Android (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#45553059)

Which version of Android are you using? Android 2 had plenty of inefficiencies, many of which were fixed by 4.1. A lot of people who develop apps for personal or low-volume use aren't willing to pay an estimated $1,050 extra (one Mac mini to replace an existing other-than-Mac computer plus four years of a developer license) just to fix an occasional MP3 skip. If it still happens in recent Android, I could try to replicate it in Amazon MP3 or Google Play Music.

Re:Old Android vs. new Android (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#45554127)

But it would also be silly to upgrade from Android 2 to Android 4.1 just to fix an occasional MP3 skip -- which probably can be avoided in Android 2 too if the app is coded properly.

Re:Rhythm Software File Manager with SMB support (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553461)

Actually "Linux" works much better than Android. Android truly is shit.

Re:Rhythm Software File Manager with SMB support (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553053)

it can copy whole folders? SIGN ME UP!

Talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations.

Re:Rhythm Software File Manager with SMB support (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553659)

Ha ha, indeed! I remember it being completely normal and expected to be able to work with local files, network files, tapes, cdrom, etc.. on Windows 3.10 and DOS, like, 20 years ago?

I mean, really.. Are we re-inventing the dumb terminal here?

Re:Rhythm Software File Manager with SMB support (2)

MrNemesis (587188) | about a year ago | (#45553837)

I mean, really.. Are we re-inventing the dumb terminal here?

Yes. It's much easier to secure revenue when you've got a guaranteed monthly income from people whose data you're holding hosta... I mean, from people whose data you're protecting. I mean, it takes money to look after this stuff, and you wouldn't want anything to happen to it would you?

Witness the extremely aggressive push to even remove things like (micro)SD slots from mobile phones and tablets under the guise that it's a "design compromise", despite the fact they're miniscule. Surprisingly enough, the people who make android and iOS and windows and what have you and provision the "cloud" (aka Someone Elses Computer) behind them think it would be a really good idea for you to use their cloud.

I bought one of the original Nexus 7's and was shocked by how utterly unusable it was as a "computer to do things". Even finding applications that aren't in the google store is tricky.

Re:i just bought a nexus 7 tablet for black friday (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45552925)

Do I have to sign up for an NSA account to download this file browser? I don't use gmail...for a supposedly open system that's the kind of thing you'd sort of expect to get out of the box? I guess I'm used to Apple stuff that "just works", I forgot on Windows and apparently Android you have to download a bunch of shit for 2 hours before the crap is usable.

Don't waste your time with them (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553295)

..the Android attack minion/trolls I mean.

Android is not truly open, and even if it was, it's far too late to the games to be as viable a mobile OS as iOS or Metro.
It's backdoored Google/NSA poop. And one thing you really wanna have in a mobile OS is a hybrid kernel (both micro and macro kernel features - multitasking, multitasking, multitasking) That's the name of the game, especially in today's ADHD world. Android doesn't have it. iOS and Metro do, as well as OSX, and Windows 7+ of course. GNU Hurd has it but it's still not production quality.

Re:i just bought a nexus 7 tablet for black friday (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45552943)

If you believe all that you really should actually read the stuff Snowden releassed. The NSA is all over Apple like a rash. With google they at least had to hack into the data centers by re-routing their traffic when it goes between googles data centers. Microsoft on the other hand actually goes through all your stuff , even stuff you have never sent to them and then hands it all over lock stock and barrel to the NSA with an automatic program.
Android , Jolla, Sailfish etc are the future, Apple is the past. get used to it.

Re:i just bought a nexus 7 tablet for black friday (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45552987)

Dude, please, Apple didn't even submit to Prism until after Steve Jobs died. Meanwhile, Google and Microsoft are like "oh yes, anything for you big government!" from day one. Google was so desperate to monetize their lame ass search business they figured selling our shit to the government was as good a way as any to make some cash. Apple sells hardware, not personal information.

Re:i just bought a nexus 7 tablet for black friday (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553321)

I'd agree that Sailfish is a nice change, but Android is not the answer. Also, a recent study showed that 3rd. party vendors - Samsung, LG, hTC etc. especially LG and Samsung, don't understand Android so that even more security bugs get put into it than were already there with Stock. Android stock is ok, maybe, but none of them are in a position to throw stones, especially Android. BTW, Sony have the best record with not introducing additional bugs into Android. If you want security, at least use a Nexus or a Sony. Otherwise, I'd stick with iOS - also iOS (like Windows and Metro) has a hybrid kernel, unlike Android or Linux.

Re:i just bought a nexus 7 tablet for black friday (2)

Guy Harris (3803) | about a year ago | (#45554007)

Otherwise, I'd stick with iOS - also iOS (like Windows and Metro) has a hybrid kernel, unlike Android or Linux.

ZOMG SOME RANDOM BITS OF DARWIN LIVE IN USERLAND AND GET MESSAGES FROM THE KERNEL THAT'S SO KOOL!!!!!!1111ONE!!!!!!!!!

And, whilst NT has a bit more such stuff, neither of them are sufficiently different from an Old Fashioned Monolithic Kernel to be particularly interesting in that regard.

Re:i just bought a nexus 7 tablet for black friday (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#45554451)

Otherwise, I'd stick with iOS - also iOS (like Windows and Metro) has a hybrid kernel, unlike Android or Linux.

OSX and Windows are both about equally microkernel operating systems, which is to say, they both have a HAL. That's about all OSX is using the underlying microkernel for. Just like Windows EXEs don't run against the HAL but against the kernel, OSX executables run against the kernel, not the microkernel, which is why it's not really a microkernel-based operating system. Meanwhile, Linux has been moving more and more functionality into userspace, which gives it some properties similar to a microkernel.

Or IOW, you don't know what you're talking about.

Re:i just bought a nexus 7 tablet for black friday (-1)

aliquis (678370) | about a year ago | (#45553017)

Wish I had mod points.

Sure he post it in the style of a flame-bait but it's still insightful :)

Re:i just bought a nexus 7 tablet for black friday (2)

Stormwatch (703920) | about a year ago | (#45553043)

Yeah, the lack of a microSD slot is a deal killer, but it's your fault for buying a tablet without checking the specs.

Re:i just bought a nexus 7 tablet for black friday (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553449)

You need a google account, but you don't have to do anything with it. My gmail account is for one purpose only and the rest of the services are useless to me.

You don't need to login to youtube to watch the videos. I don't have an account for youtube and i can watch videos fine. I don't get the favorite lists or that playback later feature, but that's fine.

Re:i just bought a nexus 7 tablet for black friday (1)

gigaherz (2653757) | about a year ago | (#45553517)

"Oh my god I bought a bicycle and now I realize I am supposed to work the pedals myself! It sucks! Where is my engine?!"

So you bought a product without first checking its specifications, and then it turns out it doesn't fit your needs? Your own fault.

Re:i just bought a nexus 7 tablet for black friday (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#45554439)

Wait, you needed a MicroSD slot and you bought a tablet without one? I see why you didn't log in.

Also, you don't need to use a google account at all, unless you want to use google services.

Nice-ish troll, though.

Super duper! (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about a year ago | (#45552851)

Dupe comments on a dupe post. Dupe-a-licious!

Re:Super duper! (0)

marcello_dl (667940) | about a year ago | (#45553909)

Jo dawg, I herd you liked dupes.

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Re:zahnarzt instrumente (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553133)

Hey asshole, guess what, cease and desist letter coming your way for missing an imprint on your site. Fucker! What? Your DNS is running on MAMP Pro (domaincontrol.com)? Screw the C&D letter, you're just going down.

Super duper! (1)

phluid61 (2501032) | about a year ago | (#45552881)

Dupe comments on a dupe post. Dupe-a-licious!

--
This exact comment has already been posted. Try to be more original...

Re:Super duper! (0)

Hognoxious (631665) | about a year ago | (#45553657)

Yo dawg, I herd u like dupes...

Only a content provider can launch a platform (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45552883)

The days when a pure tech company could sustainably start anything at this level are long gone. Best of luck!

Re:Only a content provider can launch a platform (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553045)

it runs Android apps

Re:Only a content provider can launch a platform (1)

x(findme)x (3448089) | about a year ago | (#45553215)

That is nice. Lets hope it takes over and we get more choice 13|OAA84Z0X5CSWAWIV8W3Y069S8IQCA4869TMOPL4XQ8EA87H[C1WK4QNY2[XV[ZIP9[X

Duplicator (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45552995)

The Super Duplicator has just released another dupe named Dupefish: Eds felt the first story had not been given enough of a chance to succeed and duped another one on everyone.

Super duper! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553019)

Dupe comments on a dupe post. Dupe-a-licious!

Re:Super duper! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553347)

My dupe comment on a dupe about dupe comments. Dupleberry!

Android runs Android apps too... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553103)

Rather than modifying the Maemo/Moblin/Meego/Mer/Sailfish monster to run Android apps, why not modify Android to run you HTML5/QML/??? apps. For the near future, hw vendor support is Android HAL. Why not use that...?

From Sailfish Wikipedia, it looks like they may be using some of the android HAL:
"Jolla declared Sailfish OS compatible with Android phone and tablets hardware, using existing Android device drivers."

But What is Sailfish then? Similar to Boot2Qt? Or still a continuation of the Meego playground.

Re:Android runs Android apps too... (2)

kthreadd (1558445) | about a year ago | (#45553365)

Sailfish is more like a traditional GNU/Linux distribution. The Android compatibility is a useful feature, but the idea is not that most apps should need it. It's very much a continuation of Meego.

Re:Android runs Android apps too... (2)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#45553737)

more like mer + meego, kinda.

and well if they did that then it would just be a bunch of android apps now wouldn't it? and yes they're using android HAL since it simplifies buying the parts/pre manufactured phones a lot..

if they just did a devkit for android they wouldn't be a phone design company though would they?

*Most* Android apps (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553141)

The Jolla phone - pronounced Yol-la - is powered by open-source operating system Sailfish, but can run most apps designed for Google's Android platform.

Fuck you Nokia. Now I have to test my apps on your system as well? Fuck. You.

Re:*Most* Android apps (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553491)

It's not a nokia. What kind of apps do you do, if you can't read that much? I think you shouldn't test them, just say "won't work with Jolla" and i'm good, since i don't think i'd like your apps anyway.

All Wolves Must DIE! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553153)

"The monster is out of the bottle."

The monster was never in the bottle, but above, below, and around us. Do you think this is really just a struggle between human beings? There is much more at work here.

Outcome #3: Your friends are here.
Aaron Cross: Yeah. Don't you think that strange? Wolves, they don't do that. They don't track people.
Outcome #3: Yeah, maybe they don't think you're human.

- Bourne Legacy

===

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

- Ephesians 6:12, The Bible

===

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."

- William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting, 1981)

===

what's the use of posting if you can't type? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553155)

badBIOS, Facts, speculations, and misunderstandings

        First there was Stuxnet, then there was FLAME, the latest weapons grade malware is badBIOS accidentially discovered by Dragos Ruiu 3 years ago. More on the discovery in section 2

        http://learning.criticalwatch.com/badbios/ [criticalwatch.com]
##

remotely monitoring and altering brain waves

"Chilled monkey brains!" - IJ+ToD

        http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=16&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=3,951,134&OS=3,951,134&RS=3,951,134 [uspto.gov]

        United States Patent 3,951,134

        Abstract

        Apparatus for and method of sensing brain waves at a position remote from a subject whereby electromagnetic signals of different frequencies are simultaneously transmitted to the brain of the subject in which the signals interfere with one another to yield a waveform which is modulated by the subject's brain waves. The interference waveform which is representative of the brain wave activity is re-transmitted by the brain to a receiver where it is demodulated and amplified. The demodulated waveform is then displayed for visual viewing and routed to a computer for further processing and analysis. The demodulated waveform also can be used to produce a compensating signal which is transmitted back to the brain to effect a desired change in electrical activity therein.

Is this one bugged by the NSA? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553165)

If it's a Finnish company not owned by Microsoft or any other company in cahoots with the NSA, this could be the only smartphone worth buying anymore.

CAN i SQUEEZE it into my RECTUM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553209)

nt

Pro (4, Funny)

MrEricSir (398214) | about a year ago | (#45553223)

"Antti Saarnio, chairman and co-founder of Jolla, told the BBC in May that MeeGo -- now called Sailfish -- had not been given enough chance to succeed."

Antti's brother, Prro Saarnio, disagreed.

Re:Pro (1)

twosat (1414337) | about a year ago | (#45553561)

That's the first comment on Slashdot that I laughed at until I cried!

Re:Pro (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553881)

"Antti Saarnio, chairman and co-founder of Jolla, told the BBC in May that MeeGo -- now called Sailfish -- had not been given enough chance to succeed."

Antti's brother, Prro Saarnio, disagreed.

Antti's father Konttra made racist remarks concerning formerly 100% Finnish Nokia and its new ties to American decadent degenerate Microsoft.

Inquiring Minds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553225)

Hurry up, samzenpus! I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to see what story gets repeated next!

N900, not N9-00 (1)

short (66530) | about a year ago | (#45553341)

TFA has it wrong. N9-00 was never released, N900 was. I have/use N900.

Re:N900, not N9-00 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553391)

TFA has it wrong. N9-00 was never released, N900 was. I have/use N900.

n900 was Maemo 5 (aka Fremantle). n9 was Meego/Maemo hybrid. has rights to be called Meego but didn't meet spec 100 percent. for example it uses debs rather than rpms. it was not officially launched in a lot of western countries due to desire to target windows phone.

meego is not now called sailfish as article implies. most meego development is now done in the mer fork. jolla contributes here, and then adds custom ui.

Re:N900, not N9-00 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553477)

And I have and use N9, which is more specifically N9-00.

Re:N900, not N9-00 (1)

short (66530) | about a year ago | (#45553523)

That is N9-01. Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]

Re:N900, not N9-00 (4, Informative)

fatphil (181876) | about a year ago | (#45554029)

I was internal to the project. I can assure you that comment on wikipedia is bollocks.

We used the hardware numbers (RX- or RM- something), and the code names (Rover, Lankku, ...), we never used the intended/expected public code numbers, as they could change at any time. I have seen an n950 with "n9" stamped on the case, for example.

Jolla runs Sailfish? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553603)

How many cores does it have? I can haz rapid alignment-free quantification of isoform abundance in my pocket? http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~ckingsf/software/sailfish/ [cmu.edu]

Now give us a hardware keyboard... (2, Insightful)

master_p (608214) | about a year ago | (#45553783)

...and I am sold.

I tried the iPhone. Didn't like it, too much of a walled garden.

I tried Android. It's UI sucks. Huge incosistences all around.

I will stick with my N900 until a Sailfish phone with a hardware keyboard arrives.

Re:Now give us a hardware keyboard... (1)

fatphil (181876) | about a year ago | (#45554143)

The n900 (and n9) UI were hugely more inconsistent than the first Android (2.x family) device I used for a few weeks, although the subsequent Android (4.x family) device I used for a few months after that was not as consistent as the earlier one - apps had started to introduce their own "menu" buttons on screen in random places, and not have anything useful on the system "menu" button.

Spiral zoom in browser - great! Spiral zoom in image gallery - no chance!
Volume zoom in pdf viewer - passable. Volume zoom in txt viewer - no chance! In fact no ability to zoom the text at all without converting it to html.
And which apps rotate to portrait mode, and why do those that don't not rotate?

Disclaimer - I worked on the n900 and n9 (and the two devices between them, and the one after, ...), and I filed *hundreds* of breainead UI inconsistency bugs against both. Depressingly large proportions were simply closed WONTFIX with the sole justification "behaves as specified". It was proven that the management of the UI team were telling lies about the results of UI studies that had been commissioned, in order to justify their crazy decisions.

Had a good run with Nokia (0)

Tasha26 (1613349) | about a year ago | (#45553801)

I've been a loyal Nokia fan during their "it" days. Heck I still have my Nokia 5800XM with a 2.5G simcard in it! Bloody thing is locked to Orange. My first great disappointment was with the N810. Everything took ages to load even the GPS. Everything sort-of needed a user manual to operate and the battery life was horrendous. Nokia's lack of quickly getting onboard with touchscreen (on their normal phones) alienated me and in the end I went for an iPhone. Problem solved! There was no way I was going to buy one of their Windows Phone. Windows? Seriously!!!

Am sure this new model is an "Android Metoo" phone. Goodluck with that and goodbye.

Re:Had a good run with Nokia (5, Informative)

tiagosousa (1931172) | about a year ago | (#45553915)

Am sure this new model is an "Android Metoo" phone.

Far fom it! Sailfish has a very distinct feel and it actually goes back a few years, being from the same lineage of Meego and Maemo before it. Check out the main interface features in this short video [youtube.com] . And it's a proper GNU/Linux system (as opposed to Android/Linux), if you're into that sort of thing.

Re:Had a good run with Nokia (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45553953)

posting in a troll thread

Re:Had a good run with Nokia (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45554203)

First of all, this is not a nokia phone. Secondly, have you tried lumia? They are pretty damn great. I had the same feeling about them as you have. Then my wife bought one. I tried it, and was sold. My next one will be lumia. It just works. Every important (for me) app is there. It's Nokia hardware, so it's great.

"but can run most apps" (1)

amn108 (1231606) | about a year ago | (#45554057)

As soon as I read the line "...but can run most apps..." a feeling crept in that they most probably doing something wrong or had to make some hard compromises - just replicate the damn Android API, piece by piece, it is open is it not? "Most" today is a recipe for disaster - nobody likes almost working things. Jolla - talk with Google, certify Jolla as Android API compatible to a degree it is possible to actually "certify" for that kind of thing, and don't make yourself smaller than need be by stating "can run most apps". As a startup, you only have one shot at it, before you are shot back at - don't mess things up with inferiority in critical areas. Today it is not about hardware, it is about software - Android and iOS rule, and "most apps" means that you will win over "few" customers. Mark my word - unless you fix Androd compatibility, forget about it (and we will forget about you in 1-2 years.)

Re:"but can run most apps" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45554169)

It's never about software but licenses. There really is no point for Google to provide such licenseable certificate for Android-compatible systems nor enough money from Jolla to cover the expenses (that would be reasonable for Goolge to accept). It is also worth noting that all - and I mean all - native Android devices are only capable of running most (certainly not all) apps developed for Android.

Re:"but can run most apps" (2, Interesting)

queazocotal (915608) | about a year ago | (#45554189)

'just replicate the damn Android API, piece by piece, it is open is it not? '
The open parts of the API work.

The problem is that increasing parts of the android API are closed, being implemented not by open source code, but by closed source binaries with licences that do not permit redistribution by other manufacturers.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/21/googles-iron-grip-on-android [wired.co.uk]

'Play Services is a closed source app owned by Google and licensed as part of the Google Apps package. Any feature you see move from "normal" Android to Google Play Services is also moving from open source to closed source. This app pulls off the neat trick of not only enticing users with exclusive, closed source features, but locking in third-party developers with Google's proprietary APIs as well.'

This is entirely by (googles) design, and for exactly this reason.
To make it hard for third party vendors to release devices which run android apps because an increasing fraction of them won't work as time and increasing integration into Play Services happens.

I have not investigated, but would suspect that the various APIs were designed around patents google owns or controls, in order to make implementing the backend supporting the API legally impossible in many countries.

Re:"but can run most apps" (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#45554493)

Jolla's way around that is to licence a compatibility layer from some people that have been working on it, and with google, for several years. Thus there is a money trail from them to google and in return google allows their stuff to work on this phone. There's been articles about it even here but probably more than a year back - the N9 was supposed to use this thing but Nokia was gutted before the deal went through.

That's not quite how it went (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#45554483)

They licenced an android compatibility layer from people who have talked to google a lot over five years or so and who had decided to "replicate the damn Android API, piece by piece" quite some time back.

pronounced Yol-la (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45554229)

That's pronounced "hoh-ya" as in La Jolla. Good luck getting anyone to say it differently.

not bad (1)

amonamaranth (3448465) | about a year ago | (#45554277)

they are doing way better than nokia.

Not just a dupe, but bullshit (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#45554495)

The platform â" originally called MeeGo â" was developed by Nokia

Uh what? It's a merge of Moblin, from Intel, and Maemo from Nokia. And the nicest-looking interface is from Moblin. Nice Nokia fellation, though, submitter.

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