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Neo900 Hacker Phone Reaches Minimum Number of Pre-Orders For Production

Unknown Lamer posted 1 year,19 days | from the persistence-leads-to-victory dept.

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First time accepted submitter wick3t writes "The Neo900 fundraising campaign has already achieved the milestone of 200 pre-orders which means that mass production is now feasible. This follows a successful first prototype that was showcased at the OpenPhoenux-Hard-Software-Workshop 2013. Their next target is 1000 pre-orders as they aspire to reduce the production costs of each device." For those not familiar, the Neo 900 is an offshoot of the OpenMoko GTA04 designed for use in the popular Nokia N900 case (and, yes, they're fixing the weak usb port).

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Nooooo (1)

Neuroelectronic (643221) | 1 year,19 days | (#45579819)

but there can't be another smartphone, it's economically impossible!

I called it (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | 1 year,19 days | (#45582629)

I remember a few years ago I said (on Slashdot) that soon the only open computers would be expensive niche products from tiny companies...it's now true for mobile devices. How long until the rest of computing follows?

One of the more ridiculous self-adulation attempts (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45584219)

There never were open mainstream mobile devices.

Re:One of the more ridiculous self-adulation attem (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | 1 year,19 days | (#45584299)

They were common until the iPhone came out. PalmOS was a closed-source OS but you were free to run anything you liked on their range of devices. Same with Windows Mobile and Windows CE. The only "walled garden" mobile OS that existed before iOS was Symbian.

Re:Nooooo (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45582871)

Yeah, there must be a Single NSA Sensor !

This is the beginning (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45579825)

homebrew kickstart makes a lot more sense to me than slave labor and litigation.

Re:This is the beginning (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45579959)

Riiight. Except that they are using the same Chinese labor to make this phone as everyone else uses?

Re:This is the beginning (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45580001)

But.... but.... but.... only Apple uses China!!!! Everyone else uses MysticalFairyLand for their electronics.

Re:This is the beginning (2)

dos1 (2950945) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580017)

It might be true to some components sourced externally, but Neo900 itself is going to be manufactured in Bavaria (Germany), just like GTA04 was.

Re:This is the beginning (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45580035)

Some? You mean basically everything that makes up the SoC?

Re:This is the beginning (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45581411)

I don't think you know what SoC means.

Re:This is the beginning (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45580063)

I assume you mean assembled right? Because things like the OMAP SoC, the internal NAND, all the sensors, etc. are manufactured by the same slaves in China.

Re:This is the beginning (2)

dos1 (2950945) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580101)

Sure, those are the components and those are manufactured wherever Texas Instruments, Panasonic and other vendors manufacture them. The Neo900 itself will however be assembled in Germany, as that's the best the project can do with its resources (similarly to what Raspberry Pi did with assembling in UK).

Re:This is the beginning (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45581669)

Semiconductor component manufacturing is never handled by so-called slaves. This requires a skilled workforce to operate the pick and place, reflow ovens, wafer dicing, testing and final tray/reel packaging. Incidentally, there's no shortage of affordable manufacturing engineers in China either.

Re:This is the beginning (1)

Burz (138833) | 1 year,19 days | (#45581041)

In the EU look to Fairphone for a device without the slave labor, rampant pollution and closed systems. They are delivering this month(!) and on a scale of >32,000 units for their first run (original goal was 25k). Price is 325 euros.

Hopefully after an initial success, they will want to make one for the US market. Even so, I'd consider using one of the EU models in the US as a small tablet.

Re:This is the beginning (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45581571)

Fairphone is using /exactly/ the chinese/japanese chips like everybody else does. And Golden Delicious does the complete production and assembly in Bavaria/Germany using the same chips like Fairphone. Just G.D. doesn't brag with oh-so-green and fair while knowing it's basically a fake. Designed, produced and assembled In Germany, using same chips like 100% of the rest of this world - that's it.

Re:This is the beginning (2)

wick3t (787074) | 1 year,19 days | (#45581681)

If you think you can compare the Fairphone to the Neo900 then you have failed to understand the concept behind the Neo900. The Fairphone is just another Android phone. The Neo900 is for people who are fed up with the closed, walled garden approaches of Android and iOS and want the power of a general purpose computer in their pocket. The device is expected to ship with Debian GNU/Linux with support for Maemo 5 coming later when it's ready. The hardware keyboard and stylus also help to give it that desktop feel.

Re:This is the beginning (1)

Burz (138833) | 1 year,18 days | (#45591533)

Um, I think its you who are mistaken by lumping Android (choice of OS and app sources) in with iOS (Apple-only source).

FairPhone are making sure the hardware will work with FOSS versions of Android and they are going as far as to test with other OS's like Firefox; the phone is designed to have the users' choice of OS installed onto it. That is a huge difference from the typical Android vendor.

It'll flop (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45579847)

Just like the faggot shit that it is.

Yay (-1)

Hognoxious (631665) | 1 year,19 days | (#45579853)

Screw the desktop, 2014 will be the year of Lunix in your pocket!

Re:Yay (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45579895)

But most Linux users keep dildos in their pockets. Will this double as a dildo?

Re:Yay (2)

Narcocide (102829) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580093)

I think it just depends on how much effort you want to put into misusing it. Penguins are birds that swim you know. Its all about adaptability and willpower.

Re:Yay (4, Interesting)

oodaloop (1229816) | 1 year,19 days | (#45579905)

My slashdot sig was once, "2010: The Year of Linux on the Phone". That year saw many new phones running Android and a few other Linux OSs, remarkable advancement from Android 1.5 to 2.2, and a huge increase in Android users and percentage of smart phones. Android is now past 80% of smartphones and climbing. I used to have an Android decal on my car, but I took it off because it was too mainstream. It was like saying I supported computers. I hope we have more competitors in this space, like Sailfish, but we are way past the year of Linux in your pocket.

Linux is just hosting the Android environment (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45580089)

... we are way past the year of Linux in your pocket.

A Linux that Android users neither see nor use, a Linux that most Android developers neither see nor use. Linux is just hosting the Android environment.

Re:Linux is just hosting the Android environment (1)

The Snowman (116231) | 1 year,19 days | (#45581151)

... we are way past the year of Linux in your pocket.

A Linux that Android users neither see nor use, a Linux that most Android developers neither see nor use. Linux is just hosting the Android environment.

Sort of like the Linux on my desktop. Linux is not a GUI, it is a kernel. The last time I "saw Linux" was a kernel panic about a year ago.

Re:Linux is just hosting the Android environment (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45581391)

... we are way past the year of Linux in your pocket.

A Linux that Android users neither see nor use, a Linux that most Android developers neither see nor use. Linux is just hosting the Android environment.

Sort of like the Linux on my desktop. Linux is not a GUI, it is a kernel. The last time I "saw Linux" was a kernel panic about a year ago.

So you are a Stallman-ite denier that "Linux" can refer anything beyond the kernel. Fine.

Android is not simply a GUI, it is a complete OS environment. Android is the target platform, not Linux. With the GUIs you refer to the target platform is still Linux. Read "Linux" as "GNU/Linux" if you must.

Re:Linux is just hosting the Android environment (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,18 days | (#45591521)

With the GUIs you refer to the target platform is still Linux. Read "Linux" as "GNU/Linux" if you must.

Wrong. Unless I specifically use Linux kernel APIs it doesn't matter if I am running my Gnome (for example) application on Linux or BSD.

User applications rarely have any dependency on the kernel so if the libraries used by that application, be those Android, GTK, boost, or whatever are available on other platforms then the application is portable and not targeting Linux. The only times an application is targeting Linux is if it is either directly calling the kernel (direct target) or using a framework/library that is only available on Linux (indirect target since if the framework/library becomes available on other platforms the application can be available there too).

Re:Yay (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45581719)

Agreeing with much of what you're saying, with one niggle: http://boygeniusreport.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/mobile-os-share-nov13.png [wordpress.com]

Re:Yay (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | 1 year,19 days | (#45582295)

That graph includes tablets; I was referring to just phones, being that the subject was on pockets.

That's The States only. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45587069)

That market share graph is only true in the USA. World-wide Android owns over 80% of the market share.

Apple, it seems, is mostly an American-only obsession.

Linux as in a hosting OS, not an end user OS ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45580043)

Screw the desktop, 2014 will be the year of Lunix in your pocket!

Well Linux as a hosting OS hidden behind the actual OS visible to the user and most developers, Android. Not Linux as an end user OS that users interact with and developers target.

My how the goal posts have been moved.

Ubuntu Edge (4, Interesting)

johnsie (1158363) | 1 year,19 days | (#45579883)

Why does this phone get produced but the Ubuntu Edge doesn't?

Re:Ubuntu Edge (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45579891)

Canonical?

Re:Ubuntu Edge (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45579937)

Why does this phone get produced but the Ubuntu Edge doesn't?

Because one (Ubuntu EDGE) is a vaporware consisting of couple PhotoShop images and the other (Neo900) is a in-detail specified open hardware project based on the proven N900 lineage, built by community with long years of building open hardware smartphones (Neo FreeRunner, GTA04) ?

Re:Ubuntu Edge (2)

Desler (1608317) | 1 year,19 days | (#45579969)

Because they have more than just a couple of 3d renders and an empty shell?

Re:Ubuntu Edge (1)

thatkid_2002 (1529917) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580055)

Because Canonical are scrubs.

Re:Ubuntu Edge (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45580363)

That, and the Scrubs want >30 million $ of your money

Re:Ubuntu Edge (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45580735)

they need$ 30mio to pull that off. You don't get access to the technology they planned to use in edge, when you're asking chip manufs for a feeble 1000 chips.
That's exactly why Neo900 isn't bleeding edge. Can't get done for the volume expected to be sellable.

Price. (4, Informative)

MrEricSir (398214) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580071)

Because Ubuntu Edge cost four times as much? $625 was a lot to spend on a product that hadn't even been built, especially from a company that has no previous record when it comes to hardware.

Re:Price. (1)

Mike Buddha (10734) | 1 year,19 days | (#45581141)

There's no final price listed on the web page. It just says that they're counting every 100 Euro as an individual phone. Contributors get a full rebate when the phones are released, plus 2% for every month from the time they contributed to the release, as a reward for early donations. It could very well end up costing more than the Ubuntu phone.

Re:Price. (1)

wick3t (787074) | 1 year,19 days | (#45584939)

The price of motherboard without the case expected to be in the 500-700 EUR range [goldelico.com] . Yes it's expensive compared to devices of similar specifications but that's due to the low production volumes. That's the price you must pay if you want a fully featured Linux computer in your pocket.

Re:Ubuntu Edge (2)

Fwipp (1473271) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580111)

Because the Ubuntu Edge needed $32M to get funded, and this needed 25 000 €.

Re:Ubuntu Edge (2)

gl4ss (559668) | 1 year,19 days | (#45582391)

someone gives a shit about it and the aim was _realistic_ and someone _actually_ went ahead and designed the board.

whereas ubuntu edge didn't get manufactured because they didn't manage to beg enough money to pay other people to design it for them. they had no design and they basically just took the highest specs they could come up with for a phone to be sold next year.

still, wouldn't buy, but a+ for effort.

How exciting! (3, Informative)

mr_jrt (676485) | 1 year,19 days | (#45579897)

I've been following this very, very, closely. I adore my N900...I just wish it was a little closer to my beloved Debian than it is...not to mention with the closed source UI code replaced with open code. I was tempted to do some of that work myself (and/or join some of the people doing similar things), but it was hard to justify the time cost on what is essentially a dead piece of hardware.

...with the potential for new devices however....things become a lot more interesting.

Personally, I never really bought into the Meego changes...I felt too much of Maemo's "Debian" roots were lost thanks to the merge with the more Redhat-based Moblin, and I'd be much more interested in going back the other way, though the developers working on the continuation of Meego (Nemo et al) have done amazing work, cumulating in Jolla's new phone running Sailfish. I concluded (as, it seems, have many others) the best approach for my aims was to take the working Maemo 5 system and slowly rewrite the closed components one by one whilst simultaneously separately rebuilding the foundations on top of a more standard Debian base, essentially so you can have operational testing of things like communications features much quickly. There's been a lot of good work by the Maemo community to this end.

All in all, very exciting. I'm hoping to order a couple of boards to revitalise a damaged spare N900 I have here, and if it works out well, my main one too :)

Great and wonderful... (1)

Nutria (679911) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580023)

but will it work with my family's ATT wireless plan?

Re:Great and wonderful... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45580073)

As long as you get the US version its just a sim swap away

Re:Great and wonderful... (4, Informative)

Unknown Lamer (78415) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580095)

According to their FAQ [neo900.org] , the modem will support the UMTS frequencies used by both AT&T and T-Mobile in the US.

Re:Great and wonderful... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45580131)

there's even CDMA plus UMTS available! :-o

Re:Great and wonderful... (1)

Nutria (679911) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580201)

the modem will support the UMTS frequencies used by both AT&T and T-Mobile in the US.

That's not actually what I asked.

Re:Great and wonderful... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45580267)

The Slashdot "editors" didn't get their jobs by having a good command of the English language or reading comprehension. Just saying...

Re:Great and wonderful... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45580353)

No, but the reply told you what you needed to know - it will work on AT&T. I don't see how the details of your family's wireless plan would affect that.

Re:Great and wonderful... (2)

schnell (163007) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580755)

but will it work with my family's ATT wireless plan?

Short version: yes. AT&T's GSM network does not automatically boot off devices that it doesnt recognize, although you will get no customer support for a device that hasn't gone through their extensive network certification process.

So your family plan will work if you swap your current SIMs out of your devices and into this phone. If you go into an AT&T store and say "what plans can I get with my Neo900?" they will stare at you blankly and try to sell you an iPhone... not out of malice but because they have no idea what it is. If the Neo900 has a different sized-SIM than what you currently use, just ask AT&T for a new SIM of that size with no device order and do the swap, it should work.

Re:Great and wonderful... (1)

Nutria (679911) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580949)

Many thanks. That's exactly what I needed to know.

Better, but still flooded marketplace. (1)

bobjr94 (1120555) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580299)

I am all for open hardware but I guess I would just root a cheap popular android phone, then load whatever variety of rom I that fit what I wanted. Also, a problem I see if since it's a keyboard phone, why only 3 rows ? Ive always have phones like that myself, and still do, but I always look for 4 rows, full number & letter keys.

Re:Better, but still flooded marketplace. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45580365)

That's fine, so long as you realize you've failed the objective before you started.

Re:Better, but still flooded marketplace. (1)

wick3t (787074) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580493)

The keyboard has three rows because they are reusing the N900 case [neo900.org] . It certainly beats any virtual keyboard for typing. Feel free to mod it if you want a four row keyboard - the motherboard design will be completely open.

Re: Better, but still flooded marketplace. (1)

Sigg3.net (886486) | 1 year,18 days | (#45592743)

I have an N810, which doesn't see much use but I'm looking at replacing my remotes with it.

Anyway, how does the keyboard compare?

Re:Better, but still flooded marketplace. (3, Insightful)

Yvanhoe (564877) | 1 year,19 days | (#45581329)

The thing is, a rooted android phone is still very far from being an open platform.

resistive touchscreen Luddites. (3, Interesting)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580303)

Can't buy this for the same reason why I didn't buy the n900, the terrible resistive touchscreen. It was a terrible choice, as all the android and iOS devices of note were capacitive at the time.

Re:resistive touchscreen Luddites. (5, Insightful)

dos1 (2950945) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580327)

Have you actually used the N900 touchscreen? I wouldn't replace it with any capacitive crap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66RBfrBgL2E [youtube.com]

Re:resistive touchscreen Luddites. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45580397)

Ok, grandpa.

Re: resistive touchscreen Luddites. (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580461)

Yes I have, its resistive as all get out. Do not want.

Re: resistive touchscreen Luddites. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45580581)

fine! Design won't get changed to accomodate your preferences. There are a few good reasons why it's a R-TS

Re: resistive touchscreen Luddites. (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | 1 year,19 days | (#45585219)

Its obvious from its design choice of reusing the n900 shell that swaping out the resistive screen for capacitive would not be feasible. It was just a terrible design choice by nokia. If the n900 was as modern as the n9, Nokia would still be making cell phones and windows phone would be on life support. I find this whole exercise perverse, like celebrating the sinking of the titanic.

Re: resistive touchscreen Luddites. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45586135)

Sir, you already got a ticket? Please hurry, the show will start in a few seconds.

Re: resistive touchscreen Luddites. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,18 days | (#45591697)

There are a few good reasons why it's a R-TS

such as? im sure you can come up with some reasons but honestly if they were good reasons we would see resistive touchscreens still commonly used today, but we don't. the only reason it is resistive is because they are re-using the N900 for which nokia made the poor choice to use resistive touch, a poor choice they rectified with N9.

Re:resistive touchscreen Luddites. (3, Insightful)

preflex (1840068) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580373)

One of the reasons I bought the n900 rather than one of the others was the wonderful resistive touchscreen. It was an excellent choice, as it was so much more precise than the capacitive screens on all the iOS and Android devices at the time. I could actually use the tiny UI elements in desktop apps running from a debian chroot.

Re:resistive touchscreen Luddites. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45581877)

If you're struggling with "tiny" UI elements, spend your effort fixing the UI instead of investing in dead touch-screen technology.

Re:resistive touchscreen Luddites. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45582033)

What part of "tiny UI elements in *desktop* apps" did you not understand?

Re:resistive touchscreen Luddites. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45582191)

I suppose I don't understand why anyone would be dumb enough to struggle with "desktop apps" on a 4" mobile phone, when there are already dedicated mobile apps for pretty much everything you'd sensibly want to do on a 4" mobile phone.

Re:resistive touchscreen Luddites. (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45584455)

This is a phone for hackers - for people, who can come up with more than "pretty much everything you'd sensibly want to do on a 4" mobile phone".

Re:resistive touchscreen Luddites. (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | 1 year,18 days | (#45589447)

This neo 900 is, the n900 wasn't. It was for mainstream users. And people calling themselves hackers shouldn't require hardware to do the job that open source software can more easily do. Its like ricers paying auto shops to put a triple decker spoiler on their car because the're "car guys" who "go fast" in their 93 Honda civics.

Re:resistive touchscreen Luddites. (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | 1 year,19 days | (#45585349)

Yeah. Exactly. The best defence of the screen is the one above, it makes using a desktop ui on a 4 inch screen possible. That is its top selling point. Meanwhile, it stinks for any ui designed for a 4 inch screen.

Re:resistive touchscreen Luddites. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45585513)

Yeah. Exactly. The best defence of the screen is the one above, it makes using a desktop ui on a 4 inch screen possible. That is its top selling point. Meanwhile, it stinks for any ui designed for a 4 inch screen.

No, not for the UI made for this device: maemo5. Which is the whole purpose of this project. If you want to use an UI designed for c-ts then you rather stay away from this phone

Re:resistive touchscreen Luddites. (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | 1 year,19 days | (#45588121)

Keep in mind I'm objecting to Noikia's decision more than these enthusiasts. Bad Nokia!

Re:resistive touchscreen Luddites. (5, Informative)

wick3t (787074) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580417)

Have you actually used the N900 touchscreen? There are many bad resistive touchscreens but the N900's is not one of them. The FAQ [neo900.org] explains why the resistive touch screen is the superior choice for the target audience of this device. Remember that this device is not trying to compete with Android or iOS but it's aim is to provide functionality that you would find in a general purpose computer, hence multi-touch in not a priority.

Re:resistive touchscreen Luddites. (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | 1 year,19 days | (#45582045)

I used the N900 for 6 months, hated it - and the screen was one of the main reasons for my hate. The FAQ can preach the good word all it wants (of course its going to back the decision) but it doesn't change my mind about how terrible the N900 was.

Re:resistive touchscreen Luddites. (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45582125)

some people love candy, while others love bacon. I think N900 resistive ts is the best r-ts I've ever seen and used. And I have some other resistive ts devices here to compare. It would be more honest if you'd state that you simply don't like r-ts which is quite understandable when you're used to c-ts. To claim that N900 was particularly bad is absurd. I prefer it every day over all the c-ts devices as well as all other r-ts devices (except maybe N810) I have here.

Re:resistive touchscreen Luddites. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45581311)

Both technologies have their strengths and weaknesses. You don't get intuitive pinch to zoom on the N900 screen, but you can use a stylus (or finger nail) with pixel perfect precision.

Re:resistive touchscreen Luddites. (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45582421)

I used a friend's N900 just last night - I thought the screen was quite OK - rather responsive to my touch.

200+ == Mass Production? Really????? (1)

endoboy (560088) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580445)

they might have a shot with 20k, but 200 is ridiculous.... it's closer to the sample size that one would use for for pre-production testing.

Re:200+ == Mass Production? Really????? (1)

dos1 (2950945) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580479)

It's directed at niche target. I'm actually positively surprised that it reached 200 this fast.

Re:200+ == Mass Production? Really????? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45580565)

when your PV-run is already exceeding the volume you can sell, then obviously PV==production

Re:200+ == Mass Production? Really????? (2)

wick3t (787074) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580595)

That's "mass production" as in producing in bulk, i.e. not producing one-off prototypes which is very expensive. 200 devices is the minimum they need to produce the boards in bulk. This is a niche, community project aimed at FOSS and/or open hardware enthusiasts who want the flexibility of a general purpose PC on their mobile phones. There are many of us so these numbers are to be expected.

Re:200+ == Mass Production? Really????? (1)

wick3t (787074) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580611)

There are many of us so these numbers are to be expected.

Whoops. That should read "There aren't many of us so these numbers are to be expected."

Re:200+ == Mass Production? Really????? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45580697)

building 20k is "easy", the trick is actually building 200 only. Not 200 for selling and 800 for the landfill

Re:200+ == Mass Production? Really????? (1)

l4m3rx (3416873) | 1 year,19 days | (#45581905)

Okay, when does it count as mass production? After 1024? After 2048? If you look at China , 1M may not be called mass production.. I agree 200 is a low number, but for 100% community founded and driven project to develop the phone.... not that bad.

Re:200+ == Mass Production? Really????? (1)

endoboy (560088) | 1 year,18 days | (#45590351)

It's mass production when the resources required for development and testing are much smaller than the sales.

For instance, reliability testing for something as complicated as a cell phone should require tens or even hundreds of units. Electrical testing, certifications, developer's units, demos, bench units, betas, it all adds up, and I'd be very surprised if the minimum number isn't in the hundreds. You can always scrimp on testing to save on development cost, but that tends to be a result in (severe) quality problems.

Nice! (2)

riis138 (3020505) | 1 year,19 days | (#45580871)

Is it going to come with the classic Nokia ringtone?

I liked the N900, but.... (1, Interesting)

DerPflanz (525793) | 1 year,19 days | (#45581847)

the world moved on. When the N900 came out, it was one of the best phones available, both in package and in software. But it has been over four years now. The world has moved on. It has moved on to slimmer phones, larger screens, not to mention better touch screens (yes, I have used the N900, and the screen is way worse than the touch screen of my Galaxy Nexus). I type faster with Swype than I ever did with the QWERTY-keyboard, the screen is better, it fits better in my pocket, it is lighter, etc.

Re:I liked the N900, but.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45582167)

Fine! When you're happy with your nexus then why do you bother to give the party pooper here? Obviously there are others who like the idea. Trying to convince them that they are silly?

Re:I liked the N900, but.... (1)

Desler (1608317) | 1 year,19 days | (#45583337)

This is a place to discuss things which involves both sides of a subject. It's not merely a circle jerk.

Re:I liked the N900, but.... (1)

TeknoHog (164938) | 1 year,19 days | (#45582287)

the world moved on. When the N900 came out, it was one of the best phones available, both in package and in software. But it has been over four years now. The world has moved on. It has moved on to slimmer phones, larger screens,

I think the N900 is a much nicer form factor to carry around, compared to the slabs that cannot decide whether they want to be tablets or phones.

not to mention better touch screens (yes, I have used the N900, and the screen is way worse than the touch screen of my Galaxy Nexus). I type faster with Swype than I ever did with the QWERTY-keyboard, the screen is better, it fits better in my pocket, it is lighter, etc.

I agree the screen is not very good by current standards, but I won't give up a real keyboard. For example, as a theatre sound guy, I need to be able to hold my finger on a key for pressing on time. I can't imagine how to do this with a "touch"screen. While I generally use a laptop for this, I occasionally use the N900 as a remote (ssh over wlan). Of course, the keyboard is also essential for any other terminal stuff -- for example, to ping a server while fixing cables under a desk.

Re:I liked the N900, but.... (1)

raju1kabir (251972) | 1 year,19 days | (#45585731)

I need to be able to hold my finger on a key for pressing on time. I can't imagine how to do this with a "touch"screen. While I generally use a laptop for this, I occasionally use the N900 as a remote (ssh over wlan).

All of my phones have had very erratic latency, even for wifi over LAN. Have yours been consistent enough for this to provide the split-second timing you need?

My N4 is about 3 unobstructed meters from the wifi access point. With 10 samples of each, a laptop at the same distance gets pings to the router ranging from 0.399ms to 0.418ms. The phone's range from 6.89ms to 91.27ms.

Re:I liked the N900, but.... (1)

TeknoHog (164938) | 1 year,19 days | (#45586523)

I need to be able to hold my finger on a key for pressing on time. I can't imagine how to do this with a "touch"screen. While I generally use a laptop for this, I occasionally use the N900 as a remote (ssh over wlan).

All of my phones have had very erratic latency, even for wifi over LAN. Have yours been consistent enough for this to provide the split-second timing you need?

It's not really about such precise timing, though I agree that WLAN latency can really suck sometimes. It's more about holding the finger in position while looking somewhere else all the time, and then being sure the keypress was registered. Hovering over a screen does not feel very secure when you're in a tight spot. Besides, capacitive screens often register very close hovering as pressing, especially when your hands are sweating.

Obviously, I try to use a real laptop keyboard whenever possible, but I hope this example highlights the complexities behind touch interfaces in general.

Let it die (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45582067)

Can we please stop talking about this thing and let it die quietly ?

Re:Let it die (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45586501)

Go home, NSA drone.

Underpants gnomes (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45582087)

Phase 1: ? (done)
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: Profit !

Stupidly Complicated (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45582847)

A Freedom Computer does not need more than a 68000 CPU, 1 Mbyte of RAM. It will run a USENET reader, a cipher engine, a secure text chat application and it will display images. The Atari ST could do all of this 20 years ago.

Now, we are pursuing the Golden Cages of Air Force Security Service General Clapper* ??? 1.5 GHz processor, 2 Gbyte RAM and a high-speed modem for NSA perusal. Fuck that !

*Read about these guys at the 6994th Security Squadron Website. These folks are addicted to Electronic Snooping. Google, Facebook, Whatsapp are just the latest cages General Clapper and General Alexander have set up for you Sheeple.

My TI89 out specs that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,19 days | (#45587187)

If one is serious about a FOSS "Freedom Computer", you should look at the Raspberry Pi Foundation. While the board itself isn't free or open by most means, the project as a whole is a testament to what can be achieved provided willing and capable individual are involved.

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