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Google Phone Could Drive Apple Into Allegiance With Microsoft

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the clash-of-the-titans dept.

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rsmiller510 writes "A BusinessWeek report suggests that the Nexus One release marks the latest volley in an escalating war between Google and Apple, one that could force Apple into working more closely with Microsoft. 'When companies start to imitate one another, it's usually either an extreme case of flattery—or war. In the case of Google and Apple, it's both. Separated by a mere 10 miles in Silicon Valley, the two have been on famously good terms for almost a decade. ... Now the companies have entered a new, more adversarial phase. With Nexus One, Google, which had been content to power multiple phonemakers' devices with Android, enters the hardware game, becoming a direct threat to the iPhone. With its Quattro purchase, Apple aims to create completely new kinds of mobile ads, say three sources familiar with Apple's thinking. The goal isn't so much to compete with Google in search as to make search on mobile phones obsolete. ... Some analysts believe the Apple-Google battle is likely to get much rougher in the months ahead. Ovum's Yarmis thinks Apple may soon decide to dump Google as the default search engine on its devices, primarily to cut Google off from mobile data that could be used to improve its advertising and Android technology. Jobs might cut a deal with—gasp!—Microsoft to make Bing Apple's engine of choice, or even launch its own search engine, Yarmis says."

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This makes perfect sense (4, Interesting)

Foredecker (161844) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799378)

Apple is a great company, but they are not large enough to build their own search engine, advertising platform, and back end services to run them. Microsoft's search (bing), advertising platform, and back end services are all designed for partnering - its the core business model.

of course, Microsoft will compete with Apple in the phone space at some point in the future (we are clearly uncompetitive now...), but if Apple is going to be in bed with a competitor, its much better that it be Microsoft rather than google - better for both companies. I mentioed this to Symbolset [slashdot.org] in a post here [slashdot.org] .

Re:This makes perfect sense (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30799456)

Never going to happen, the Apple market is not the phone market but the mac market which is directly competing with microsoft (PC front). They have more than enough capital to create their own search engine and plenty of popular opinion to market it. Not to mention that the whole Apple fanism is based on the belief that MS stole their software.
There are plenty of search engines out there Yahoo comes to mind.

Re:This makes perfect sense (1)

SoonerSkeene (1257702) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799530)

I have to agree. Apple can and will do anything they stick their mind too. And unlike all those years ago when Apple needed Microsoft: they don't anymore. Bing has an app on the iPhone, but I am fairly confident that Bing will never be the default on an Apple product. And Microsoft better announce *something* regarding Windows Mobile soon. They're already on life support, it's not going to be long before someone pulls the plug on the whole division.

Re:This makes perfect sense (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30799872)

Apple can and will do anything they stick their mind too.

Except write an operating system with preemptive multitasking.

Re:This makes perfect sense (3, Insightful)

KarmaMB84 (743001) | more than 4 years ago | (#30800164)

And Microsoft better announce *something* regarding Windows Mobile soon. They're already on life support, it's not going to be long before someone pulls the plug on the whole division.

Microsoft has committed to continuing Windows Mobile for industrial devices even if they completely fail in the smartphone market. They'll just continue working on it for rugged handheld computers built by Motorola for the likes of Fedex etc.

Re:This makes perfect sense (3, Insightful)

Adambomb (118938) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799534)

Agreed, there has been such a longstanding history of apple versus pc(Microsoft) and Microsoft versus apple bashing in the recent past that if anything like this was going to happen, it would take a lonnnng wait before that mindset was out of consumers minds. Not only would it muck up years of work priming the marketplace to pit one against the other, but it would require that Microsoft allow the mainstream to consider Apple equivalent and Apple would have to effectively dump the "we're shinier and trendier than those balding business dweebs" tact that they've invested millions in imprinting on the 18-34 demographic.

Not saying such a thing could NEVER happen; However it would be a huge deadweight loss for both companies current marketing strategies, between Apples image play and Microsoft's attempts to make Apples offerings appear irrelevant, that I can't see EITHER company even considering it in the short term.

Re:This makes perfect sense (1)

SoonerSkeene (1257702) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799542)

By the way, Yahoo shut down their search operations didn't they? Or they will soon I believe, to let Bing be their search provider. It seems Bing and Google are the two big players in search for the next few years.

Re:This makes perfect sense (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799950)

Hopefully some companies, like True Knowledge ( http://www.trueknowledge.com/ [trueknowledge.com] ) will take off. It's beta at the moment and not perfect by any means but it's coming a long quite well (may start tinkering with their APIs myself) and it would be nice to see another real contender come into the search market and one that's no fro the same tiny section of the globe.

We do need more competition. Understandably when you competitors are Google and Microsoft, that's enough to put off a lot of people.

Re:This makes perfect sense (4, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 4 years ago | (#30800162)

Sorry, but any search engine that requires me to download a browser extension gets an automatic fail in my opinion.

Re:This makes perfect sense (3, Insightful)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799632)

Not to mention that the whole Apple fanism is based on the belief that MS stole their software.

In my case, you're completely wrong about that. The quibble about MS pinching Apple's software is old news (~1988?) and nobody gives a shit any more. I happen to quite like the fact that OS X behaves like a conventional Unix box if I pull up a terminal window.

Microsoft has persisted in imposing its own standards and interfaces, which just don't suit the way I work.

Re:This makes perfect sense (1)

dynamo (6127) | more than 4 years ago | (#30800010)

I agree with the first part, I don't see bing or other ms stuff becoming the standard default on any Apple products, ever. When you take a step back and look at the big picture, the major innovation is that bing is a search interface with a pretty photo behind it. Yahoo would be an easy call, they need the money and they're a whole lot better in terms of basic trustworthiness as a promise-delivering company.

But on this:

Not to mention that the whole Apple fanism is based on the belief that MS stole their software.

I'm not sure where this comes from, but it's ridiculous. Sure, any new Windows release inevitably contains at least a couple of horribly disfigured interpretations of features in the MacOS release from two or three years prior. But MS either doesn't remotely have the competence to steal / copy those features in a useful way, or they are doing a great impression of such a company on a long term basis.

Also, why would anyone become an Apple fan as a result of believing MS stole Apple ideas? All that's relevant to being an Apple fan is your opinion on the software that Apple puts out. If they thought MS's opinion was well-thought out enough to make any kind of decision based upon it, wouldn't that make them MS fans? And if MS has the talent available to create / steal Apple-quality products, why don't they?

Re:This makes perfect sense (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#30800188)

Windows NT 3.x had lots of features that System 7 lacked.

Re:This makes perfect sense (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#30800062)

And yet, one of the biggest features that Apple advertised in 10.6 was the fact that the built-in calendar APIs supported integration with MS Exchange. Apple's NSTextStorage classes (and, therefore, any rich text editing Cocoa app on OS X) can read OOXML documents, as well as ODF.

Re:This makes perfect sense (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30799512)

...they are not large enough to build their own search engine, advertising platform, and back end services to run them.

Sure they are. They can do it easily. As a matter of fact, I think Apple's brand is so strong, if they created their own search engine, they'd crush Google and Bing.

A search engine is nothing more than algorithms and marketing to get folks to use it and get the subsequent advertising revenue - the hardware and programming involved and its costs are not a factor. Actually, having a search engine driven by Macs would be a hell of a marketing gimmick.

As far as talent in regards to the search algorithms, that's wouldn't be hard to get at all. Don't forget, Google, Excite, and other search engines started on one guy's computer.

Re:This makes perfect sense (2, Interesting)

NewbieProgrammerMan (558327) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799766)

A search engine is nothing more than algorithms and marketing to get folks to use it and get the subsequent advertising revenue - the hardware and programming involved and its costs are not a factor.

Yes, the algorithms are probably the hardest bit, which is what confuses me about your statement: Google has spent a lot of time and money hiring smart people specifically to develop search algorithms, and Apple hasn't. How exactly does that put Apple in a spot to "crush" Google, again?

I also think Apple doesn't have the in-house expertise to build and maintain the hardware/software required to provide a search product equivalent to Google's. Maybe someone could make the case that it's "not a factor" to Google or Microsoft, but I think it would be really hard to build from scratch.

Actually, having a search engine driven by Macs would be a hell of a marketing gimmick.

How many people give a fuck what OS is on the backend? That gimmick would only work with about the same number of people that are really revved up over Google using some home-brewed Linux derivative on the backend--which is not many.

Re:This makes perfect sense (4, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#30800096)

I take it you don't remember AltaVista? It existed for the sole purpose of advertising Alphas. Most people didn't care, or even know, that it ran on Alphas, but whenever the DEC sales people went to corporate customers to explain how well their kit scaled they had an example that they could easily point to. No one cares about Google's custom Linux because Google isn't selling it. People would care about a search engine running on XServes with OS X because it would be a large-scale server deployment that Apple sales reps could point to.

Re:This makes perfect sense (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30799890)

Sure they are. They can do it easily. As a matter of fact, I think Apple's brand is so strong, if they created their own search engine, they'd crush Google and Bing.

You're either joking or really, really dumb. That's like saying "Toyota's brand is so strong, if they created their own cola, they'd crush Coke and Pepsi".

Their brand is strong in a certain area. Just like Google's brand is strong in a certain area. There's a reason searching online is called "Googling".

... and that's just talking brand. Google is already entrenched in most people as habit, they have by far the best search technology (and are constantly improving), and they most importantly have the crazy infrastructure necessary to enable everything they do.

Re:This makes perfect sense (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30799558)

Apple is not a great company. They are trying to undermine opernsource software everyday and proprietize the world around them. Fuck you and fuck apple.

Re:This makes perfect sense (5, Interesting)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799630)

I don't think it makes sense, and I say this for a variety of types of reasons. First, Jobs seems like the sort of guy who holds a grudge, and he seems to not like Microsoft. That's just my read on the situation, but I wouldn't guess that he'd be eager to jump into bed with Microsoft without a strong reason.

Second, it doesn't make sense to jump to Bing just because Google releases a phone. It only makes sense if Bing is better than Google. If you think about it, as long as the iPhone and Google phones are using the same maps, searches, etc., then it can't be counted as an advantage for Google. People can't say, "Well I want to buy an Android phone because they use Google for their search engine. The iPhone uses [whatever], and I don't like it as much." So if Apple were to switch to something else, it really needs to be better. Not just arguably better or "some people think it's a little better," but decisively better in a way that Apple can count it as an advantage. I know Microsoft is offering payoffs for anyone who switches to Bing (not criticizing here, Google also pays for placement), but Apple tends to focus on customer experience as the most important thing, and I can't see Jobs opting for a substandard solution even if it came with a big cash bonus. Apple doesn't need the cash. And so far, I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe that Bing is decisively superior to Google.

Third, Apple makes a lot of hay from making Microsoft the butt of jokes. Whenever Microsoft screws up or fails at anything, it helps reinforce their image as bumbling idiots, which in turn helps reinforce Apple's image as slick/cool geniuses. Every partnership they have with Microsoft serves to undercut that, and announcing that Apple is actively switching to a Microsoft product because of its superiority would be dangerous to Apple's image.

I'm sure that Apple's relationship is uneasy, but I doubt it has turned to decisively to outright war that Apple would shoot itself in the foot to hurt Google. If I had to make a prediction, it would be that you'd see the introduction of Apple-branded alternatives without cutting out Google's products. Look at how they've dealt with Microsoft Office as an example (introducing iWork and supporting Exchange with Mail/iCal/Address book while still relying on MSOffice). I wouldn't doubt Apple's ability to create a search engine. I would sooner question whether they wanted to send people all over the country developing the maps for a Google Maps competitor, and whether they're actually interested in being as involved in advertising as Google is.

Re:This makes perfect sense (0, Troll)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799746)

Grudge? Microsoft essentially saved Apple by loaning it much needed $$$.

The 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' argument still doesn't hold much water. Microsoft's mobile strategy is in tatters-- no wins and all losses. Apple's getting creds for business use and is the one to beat in consumer.

Android has a lot of mindshare, but it lags in marketshare. Yes, it's cool, but it's also much more anarchy than business ecosystem at this point. The face of Android is Google, and it competes with Moblin, the MacOS in iPhone, not to mention a half-dozen smart competitors like RIM.

BusinessWeek is looking for unique page counts. Nothing here. Move along.

Re:This makes perfect sense (1)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799844)

Apple had enough money when Microsoft gave them some more. I think it had more to do with perception, the largest maker of business software stood by and support the mac platform. Thats it nothing more.

Re:This makes perfect sense (4, Informative)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799882)

Grudge? Microsoft essentially saved Apple by loaning it much needed $$$.

Not exactly a loan. Microsoft bought a bunch of Apple stock. Common wisdom at the time was that Microsoft needed to prop up some kind of paper tiger competitor to avoid further anti-trust restrictions.

But anyway that was after Jobs left and before he returned. When Apple started becoming successful again, Microsoft dropped Exchange support from their MacOS office suite and stopped developing IE. It doesn't seem like a friendly relationship. Apple still wants Microsoft Office for OSX for marketing purposes, and they want ActiveSync licenses for their iPhones. I don't see the relationship getting much closer than that.

Re:This makes perfect sense (1)

NewbieProgrammerMan (558327) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799926)

Third, Apple makes a lot of hay from making Microsoft the butt of jokes. Whenever Microsoft screws up or fails at anything, it helps reinforce their image as bumbling idiots, which in turn helps reinforce Apple's image as slick/cool geniuses.

I hope Apple and MS team up just so I can see all the "I'm a PC/Mac" commercial spoofs that will result.

Re:This makes perfect sense (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#30800108)

You mean like Justin Long and John Hodgeman beating up Brent Spiner?

Re:This makes perfect sense (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799722)

There is no cure for the virus you could get going with MS to bed. And is definately worse than AIDS, you could end being zombie.

This makes no sense at all (2, Interesting)

alexhs (877055) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799754)

[Apple] are not large enough to build their own search engine

Completely wrong. Actually, they already have their own search engine, it's called Spotlight and it works well.

I'm pretty sure they could build some data centers and have a product quickly.

Now, Apple has always worked on profitable markets. I'm pretty sure web search has not enough profit margins for them to consider to enter into that market.

If anything, you will get applesearch through your MobileMe account : paying customers, smaller datacenters because not anyone can access the search engine; no ads, integration with the platform as additional features, that's the only move that can make sense to them.

Re:This makes perfect sense (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30799862)

Apple is a great company, but they are not large enough to build their own search engine

Man... Apple's market cap is the same as Google. They're both about 2/3rd of MS's market cap.

Most people see "oh but Apple has only 10% market share" and don't realize that they're making a killing on the hardware they're selling, which is why should they grab "only" 20% of the market they'd be much bigger than MS.

Apple is today nearly as big as MS, let them reach 15% market share and their market cap shall equal that of MS.

That's why Apple is so dangerous for MS: they don't need much of the market to be worth as much as MS.

Anyway if Apple with a $170bn market cap valuation (these are "billions") ain't large enough to build its own search engine then who is?

How big where the team that started Google in a garage yet!?

Re:This makes perfect sense (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799874)

If there is an advantage to having that search data would you give it to yet another mobile competitor who will eat into your market share too and who can also use its desktop OS monopoly to heavily tie their mobile OS to it and therefore make it an over all more attractive purchase and possibly harder for Apple to over come where as Google ay end up shooting itself in the foot and becoming yet another Alta Vista or Yahoo?

Re:This makes perfect sense (2, Insightful)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799916)

if Apple is going to be in bed with a competitor, its much better that it be Microsoft rather than google

Not with respect to search. Look, there's a reason that Google dominates the search market despite the large number of alternatives, and it has nothing to do with Microsoft-style marketing and lock-in. Google is simply so much better a search engine than any other, for general-purpose (as opposed to domain-specific) search, that for years there's been no reason to use anything else. Apple or any other company that makes Bing (or any non-Google search engine, really) the default on their products is making a huge mistake.

Now, this isn't to say that at some point there won't be a better search engine out there; there was a time, after all, when it seemed like AltaVista was the be-all and end-all. But you can bet that if and when the Google-killer comes along, it won't be from Microsoft.

Re:This makes perfect sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30799962)

Gotta ask how is this good for Apple? Such a switch is obviously good for Microsoft, iPhone searches would push Bing up another 1% in the search engine market and thus make them more attractive to advertisers but what does Apple get out of this. A pre made search engine? (see also Yahoo) a slow search with a clunky UI because even if it is not now it will be in two years when the schizophrenic management at Microsoft decides X is the next big thing and forgets about Bing (see also Internet Explorer). No, without a massive exchange of cash and possibly ip benefiting Apple, Microsoft will not be on the iPhone. Even if something is worked out, I see a search engine ballot screen as Microsoft's best hope they will never be default; they just have nothing to offer unless it is making Windows 8 run on ARM's so Apple can drop Intel in an even bigger power play. Heck Apple might do the ballot screen anyways and strong arm Microsoft into big concessions before leaking that they were going to do it anyways and thus make Microsoft look dumb... It's the kind of business move Steve loves.

Re:This makes perfect sense (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30800128)

...It makes sense until you consider that Apple really is jockeying to position themselves in a safe niche at the premium end of the device market and let Google battle Microsoft for the low end that serves the mass market. When he returned to Apple in 1997, Jobs remarked that Microsoft had won the desktop wars. If you go back and carefully listen to how he parsed his sentences in that speech, the passage of time now allows us to see how he already was looking ahead to a new war, which now is being conducted on converging computing and communications platforms.

So, I think Apple staked out the high end of the market and that Steve Jobs and Eric Schmidt developed a plan to marginalize Microsoft at the low end. It's the only explanation for Schmidt being allowed to sit on Apple's board as long as he did. As a result, Google is trying to unseat Microsoft for the next generation of (mobile) mass market devices. The result: Microsoft is now being squeezed by Google AND Apple, which remain allies, even if they are wary of one another. This plan in and of itself did not initially place Google in direct competition with Apple, but Google may be seizing an opportunity to establish a larger beachhead.

Bing on an Apple product? (2, Funny)

RiffRafff (234408) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799398)

So. Android it is, then. That was an easy decision.

Re:Bing on an Apple product? (4, Insightful)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799502)

Yeah, a company whose entire business is predicated on cool can't partner with uncool. Uncool is contagious. Cool isn't.

Re:Bing on an Apple product? (3, Interesting)

GIL_Dude (850471) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799562)

I don't know. I've always used Google for search the last several years. I also have a Droid phone. But just yesterday I was writing some documentation for some code I wrote to help manage the driver store on Windows. I needed to add some links to further information about driver INF files on the MS site. I went to google and did a search. I realized quickly that at some point over the last few years Google has changed the way their links work. They no longer are a link to the site you want - they are a link to something at Google that then redirects to your chosen site. Since I have no idea how long those links will work, they were useless to me (I wanted to right-click and copy shortcut / copy link and paste it into my documentation as further reading - but some link to Google that may work fine for today and maybe not work fine next year isn't all that handy). I copied my search from Google and pasted it into Bing. I got pretty much the same results, but a right-click and copy shortcut actually got me the real URL and I could then paste it into my doc. I don't even know when Google changed this so that their links aren't real links to sites - but stuff like that could drive me permanently to Bing.

Re:Bing on an Apple product? (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799696)

Can you provide an example? I ran a couple searches on Google, and the links provided went directly to the appropriate site.

Is it possible that the problem is with something Microsoft is doing on the subdomain you were searching? I read something were the author was referenced Microsoft doing something fishy to block/confuse Google searches to some of their sites, but it was light on details so I never figured out what he was referencing. Just wondering if the two might be related.

Re:Bing on an Apple product? (4, Informative)

janek78 (861508) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799734)

It does do that. For example googling for "Slashdot" returns a link that on mouse over show as "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdot" in the status bar, but in fact is http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&ved=0CBkQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSlashdot&rct=j&q=slashdot&ei=-FJTS6eACaKmnQOhmKCTCg&usg=AFQjCNEZ2izp-RcQ2rEPNchi1qS-mPpnRA [google.com]

It does this both logged in and logged out.

Re:Bing on an Apple product? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30799876)

Never did that to me (both logged in and logged out).

Re:Bing on an Apple product? (3, Informative)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799902)

Not for me. My status bar shows the correct link, and when I right click and ask to copy the link, the correct link goes to my clipboard. Could it be a browser thing? What browser are you using?

Re:Bing on an Apple product? (4, Informative)

linumax (910946) | more than 4 years ago | (#30800072)

Seems like it is browser dependent. On Firefox I get a modified URL in clipboard, but in Chrome, Safari and Opera the actual URL.

Re:Bing on an Apple product? (3, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#30800140)

I'm betting that you have JavaScript disabled. For me, the link looks like this:

<a href="http://slashdot.org/" class="l" onmousedown="return clk(this.href,'','','res','1','','0CAkQFjAA')"><em>Slashdot</em> - News for nerds, stuff that matters</a>

When you click on it, you actually go to the redirector, which counts the click (to rank things people click on higher) and then bounces you to the right place. I think that the href in the link loads pointing to the redirector and then the JavaScript rewrites it to point to the real site so that the status bar and copy work.

Re:Bing on an Apple product? (1)

Capena (1713520) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799860)

If you have a Gmail account they do this, but it also seems like they do it to random users too (maybe they use the information to improve search results).
Check out the comments here: http://mboffin.com/post.aspx?id=1830 [mboffin.com]

Re:Bing on an Apple product? (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#30800030)

I have a gmail account, and I've never seen it, even when signed in. Signed in just now and tested, and I get the normal link. Maybe it's a setting somewhere?

Re:Bing on an Apple product? (1)

linumax (910946) | more than 4 years ago | (#30800042)

They do go to the appropriate site, the problem is with copying.
Example:

Try this search:
http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&q=test [google.ca]

When I right click on the first result and select "Copy Link Location" this is copied into clipboard:
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CAwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.test.com%2F&rct=j&q=test&ei=oVVTS-OLLZDaNvi07ckK&usg=AFQjCNH21KLjC0CBkjon2DwD_CZ0HApLMw&sig2=XUrAwjyb2j3qHcQzz4LwTg [google.ca]

While the actual URL is:
http://www.test.com/ [test.com]
Which is visible at the bottom of each result. For longer URLs though, it is truncated and you won't be able to copy the proper URL unless you open that result. For a single URL it's a minor inconvenience, but not when doing it several times.

Re:Bing on an Apple product? (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#30800142)

Try this search:
http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&q=test [google.ca] [google.ca]

When I right click on the first result and select "Copy Link Location" this is copied into clipboard:

I did that, and here's the output from my clipboard:

http://www.test.com/

Someone else [slashdot.org] has apparently discovered that what you're describing only happens in Firefox. Maybe it's Mozilla's fault? Or maybe there's an extension that's doing this?

Re:Bing on an Apple product? (1)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799738)

I realized quickly that at some point over the last few years Google has changed the way their links work. They no longer are a link to the site you want - they are a link to something at Google that then redirects to your chosen site.

I just tried this and the only links that went through google were the ones in the "Did you mean ..." section. In the "Results" section (for the words exactly as I typed them), the links are direct to the target website.

Re:Bing on an Apple product? (1)

janek78 (861508) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799828)

Try clicking "copy link" (Firefox) and then mouse-over the link again. Your clipboard will contain the long redirected version, which will now also appear on mouse over.

Blocking javascript removes this behavior and leaves you with normal links.

Re:Bing on an Apple product? (1)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799948)

Try clicking "copy link" (Firefox) and then mouse-over the link again. Your clipboard will contain the long redirected version, which will now also appear on mouse over.

Nope. I tried this in a browser that doesn't have script blocking as well as as my default (Firefox). I don't have javascript blocking in Firefox -- only flashblock.

Re:Bing on an Apple product? (1)

Moridineas (213502) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799760)

I copied my search from Google and pasted it into Bing. I got pretty much the same results

FWIW, just replaced "google" with "bing" in the URL (or vice versa) -- the rest of the URL layout remains the same for all the types of searches I've tried.

Re:Bing on an Apple product? (1)

NewbieProgrammerMan (558327) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799900)

I went to google and did a search. I realized quickly that at some point over the last few years Google has changed the way their links work. They no longer are a link to the site you want...

That's interesting...I did a search and 20% of the links are direct and the rest are what you describe. I couldn't spot any pattern in which links were direct/indirect.

Anyway, if I'm making bookmarks, I usually just copy the URL of the document I end up at after all the redirects, because sometimes the site I'm going to redirects me to a different page than the Google URL anyway. It doesn't seem like that much of an inconvenience, even though I do wonder what's up with the redirects in the search results.

Re:Bing on an Apple product? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30800152)

Its a firefox-thingie, this script will make it behave as other browsers on google http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/47300

Say it aint so... (1)

Bentov (993323) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799402)

So what affect will this have on the RDF?

Re:Say it aint so... (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799528)

It may acquire a slight blue-ish tinge and flicker occasionally.

In other news..... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30799424)

In other news, the war between apple and microsoft seems to be escalating. The companies have now entered a new, more adversarial phase. With world domination, apple, which had been content to sell overpriced hardware, enters the world takeover game - becoming a direct threat to mircosoft's evil plans.

Let me play Linux fanboi (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30799430)

That's it! Apple is done now too! Another nail in their coffin!

I haven't used M$ or Apple since 1935 except for at work, when i play games or when I want to do anything except browse the web.

OpenMoko! OpenMoko!

i may not be able to run apps but I can mod my phones OS... if only I knew how to code.

They could use another search enginge (1)

multiferroic (798634) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799442)

Well, there is always http://www.cuil.com [cuil.com] ...

i don't believe this for a second (3, Insightful)

dirtyhippie (259852) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799444)

This conspiracy theory is half baked. Google's core business is search. And based on what we've seen from the Nexus One so far, apple has nothing to fear whatsoever from google in the mobile phone market. The Nexus One hardware is nice, but the software is crap. It's not even remotely a threat to apple's iPhone market. And don't forget that apple sells computers and mp3 players too. This is not enough for apple to ally with Microsoft. They tried that once before, and they got IE for mac out of it. They've learned from that mistake.

Re:i don't believe this for a second (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799604)

isn't google's core business advertising ?

Re:i don't believe this for a second (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799794)

As a general rule, when someone anthropomorphizes companies, it is a half baked theory.

Re:i don't believe this for a second (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30800024)

Google's core business is search.

Exactly how does search get money for Google?

Not the MS-Apple deal I would expect (4, Interesting)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799458)

I see very little chance of Apple using Bing as the default search provider on the iPhone. More likely they'd want MS to provide ultra compatible Office apps for the iPhone to help them get into the business smartphone market, competing directly with RIM / Blackberry.

Re:Not the MS-Apple deal I would expect (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799774)

There's a rumor that Apple is developing a version of iWork for the rumored tablet, so I'm not sure they'd even be all that interested in Microsoft making an iPhone office suite.

I think it's most likely that Apple doesn't trust Microsoft and won't partner with them except out of necessity. The relationship between the companies has been antagonistic from the start. Later, Microsoft screwed them with IE and the Mac BU over at Microsoft has been doing a crappy job for years. Their programs are all slow, crippled versions of the Windows stuff that don't follow OS conventions. Microsoft screwed their music-retailer partners and MP3 partners with the Plays-For-Sure debacle. Microsoft can't be trusted, and they've also made it clear that they intend to have their own smart phone. If Microsoft wants to take the iPhone down, they're not above tinkering with Bing to make the iPhone look worse than their own offering.

Apple and Microsoft (1, Insightful)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799464)

If Microsoft builds a phone it will probably sell great and at the same time suck on both the hardware and software specs. People will buy what there told to with out understanding what there really buying.

It's the same reason "bing" is successful, it's a mediocre search engine at best and has no way to stand up to google. It's the same way with the microsoft windows OS, people buy it because there told they should, Another example of just a mediocre product being pushed.

On the other hand we have a company like Apple telling you to buy there stuff because it's easier to use and somehow that should make it better. In reality they have the worst customer service I've ever experienced and an OS that is so slightly better then Windows it's not even worth trying to separate them.

Now we look at google, and there not telling you to buy there stuff and yet people do, there not telling you to use there search engine because it's better and more proprietary yet people do. To top it off there not telling people to use there cloud based OS and people do, see a trend.

If a company like google who's products are known to be better and can manage to force company's who push there products down the publics throat to merge then it's not wonder what the real solution should be. Maybe lets focus on making a great product that allows people to do what they need to in constrast to making a product and trying to force someone to use it because it "easier to use" or I guess as apple would say it's "iEasier to use".

Re:Apple and Microsoft (2, Insightful)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799702)

Check out the difference between "there" and "their". It will enrich your life and maybe help to prevent you from pissing off your readers.

Re:Apple and Microsoft (1)

Moridineas (213502) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799776)

+1

Re:Apple and Microsoft (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799770)

I think MS is being hamstrung by the 90's mentality, when one company did the OS, another hardware, and yet another software. And nobody really did content. End result: shitty user experience, flexible but complicated uses, compatibility issues, difficulties getting content...

Apple does OS, Hardware, Software, and content distribution (as a step to doing content ?) and reaps huge benefits from that, from easier development to better user experience to network effects. The issue is getting people to accept lock-in. Apple does this via a better user experience and nice designs, but not everyone can pull that off, and not every customer will accept it.

As Google's rapid release of Android proves, OSes are not that hard to build quickly anymore, just customize Linux, as with Moblin, Maemo... Hardware isn't a problem either, plenty of ODMs have ready-made designs you can tweak, or OEMs will build to your specs. Apple's stuff does not have innovative hardware specs, just nice design. Software isn't that hard either, 10 apps will cover 99.9% of the users's needs (office, mail, IM, media player, web, social sites...).

I think the issue is, if MS builds a phone, they'll... build a phone. With so-so user experience (my mobile runs Winmob, I want to thrash it twice a day; I'm holding off on an upgrade until I see an HD2-like with Android or AppleOS); with passable design, no sexy content or content marketplace...

And the issue is not "building a phone", it's creating an ecosystem where people feel at ease (no constantly looking over your shoulder for viruses, no complicated ergonomics, no driver issues...) and are enticed to keep forking over money (easy software + content purchases) and using your stuff (video, music...).

Google has the advantages of 1) not having MS's baggage, and 2) being able to do much for free thank to the advertising revenue they can milk off pretty much anything. I'm not sure they can pull off an Apple though, since they relinquished control fo the platform, and don't have much to offer in termes of content.

I have a very hard time buying this (4, Insightful)

phillymjs (234426) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799482)

Jobs thinks everything Microsoft does is second-rate. He won't team up with them for that reason alone, never mind the fact that Apple has been burned by trusting Microsoft in the past, and I can't see that mistake being made again.

~Philly

Re:I have a very hard time buying this (0, Flamebait)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799718)

Jobs has become a vile, nasty little piece of work, but in this case he's not far wrong. Microsoft has produced a lot of stupendously crappy output.

Re:I have a very hard time buying this (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799878)

Jobs thinks everything Microsoft does is second-rate

On the other hand, Microsoft is at the top of the game economically. Microsoft never got the smartphone right, and they went five iterations of WinCE/Windows Mobile before they got the PDA right. For a PDA-only device I prefer Windows Mobile to the iPhone. For a "convergence" device (PDA + Phone) I prefer the iPhone.

However, Apple almost failed with the iPhone; they just didn't get it and initially released it with the intent of never offering an SDK, but making only web-based apps. It wasn't until the iPhone was jailbroken and apps were released through third-party sources that Apple realized that there was not only no threat nor stability issue by opening the phone, but a tremendous market, they released the SDK and opened the app store. The only thing Apple needs to do is open the phone further and allow flash, easy access to application files (for example, to allow users to share shopping list, task list, and other data), and so forth. I believe they will eventually do it but only as a defensive move against google. Also, some people bought the iPhone for utility, and jailbreak them to get the sort of apps Apple disapproves of (for example, a bash shell and openssh for creation of server monitoring and maintenance utilities, and to enable multitasking), or to customize the phone with themes.

I think Google is offering too little, too late with the android phones. Why? They initially indicated it would be open, which would achieve what openmoko attempted, but then did the same thing Apple did by locking the phone down. If they open it up then they will be a threat to Apple. The GUI is not nearly as good as the iPhone at this point, and the GUI is less responsive than even the 3G, let alone the 3G S. Multitasking is no better; in fact if you jailbreak the phone

Until google fixes a few key issues with android (GUI navigation, responsiveness, app availability) Apple has very little to fear.

I would not choose the iPhone if Bing were the default search engine though unless it could be changed to google; Google is by far the best search engine, and without the ability to change the search engine (without jailbreaking) why buy the most expensive mainstream cellphone when it provides inferior service?

Why on earth is everyone so hung up on Nexus One? (5, Interesting)

jabbathewocket (1601791) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799496)

granted its 'new to google' to be you know selling phones directly .. but this is not a "war" with carriers or handset makers, its more of a war on.. noone?
Its really not that much different from going to the HTC website and clicking buy now and being directed to a web seller of any given phone as well as the carriers who sell them.. all google is REALLY doing here is creating a platform they can use to advertise android.. by that I mean.. when Verizon is done spamming millions of Droid Does! ads.. Android is left with being just another handset in the carriers collection of handsets.. by creating a direct way of buying , they have more importantly created a direct "sales conduit" that showcases Android and only android devices..
For all intents and purposes this is no different than the ADP1 and ADP2 only now rather than buying unlocked, you buy them with tmobile service, which was the only place the unlocked dev phones worked in 3g anyhow.
If Google was trying to be a gamechanger, they would have become an MVNO buying bandwidth from t-mobile, and reselling it (at reduced rates) in exchange for advertising/collecting demographic data from all the buyers, possibly even going with a pure GoogleVoice device that was IP only and no actual telephone service..
Now if they would just fix the fragmented Android mess of a landscape, do away with the half-assed java applets and move to entirely native apps.. as well as license SenseUI from HTC OR convince HTC to offer its app stack over the marketplace.. they could almost become a decent size player in the mobile space.. until then.. MS/Nokia and Apple will contine to eat their lunch.. Pity that Google didn't buy Palm and kill the Pre before it shipped as it too is hurting Android's long term viability as a platform.

MicroApple ? must be desperate... (1)

what about (730877) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799510)

Apple and Google reminds me of an old joke where the Husband cuts "his attributes" to "annoy" the wife... in this case Apple is the Husband, and Google is the wife, but beside the joke.

Apple must be desperate if this is considered, maybe they thought to be "invincible" and they got Nokia upset, now they have Google gnawing at the heel and this is another one. I cannot believe Microsoft sheer luck, Bing has any success by bribe, (vendors being paid to have Bing set), SW monopoly (IE8 having Bing as default search) and now even Apple that switches to Bing.

I do switch any Bing defaults to Google and install Chrome for free where I go, and just to annoy Microsoft I search for "google chrome" using Bing (you would be amazed at the variety of responses :-)

The way it is going is like when Apple "invented" personal computer and then IBM compatible ruled the world.
It seems like Apple "invented" the iphone and then Google rules the world trough open platform Android.

What can Apple do ?
Avoid making the already rich Microsoft richer, start opening up and avoid bossing other players around (maybe attempt to partner with Google ?)

Re:MicroApple ? must be desperate... (1)

Moridineas (213502) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799786)

and just to annoy Microsoft I search for "google chrome" using Bing (you would be amazed at the variety of responses :-)

Such as?

"mee too" Marketing (1)

foobsr (693224) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799526)

TFS: "When companies start to imitate one another ..."

This was once called "mee too"—marketing and should be taken as a sign of incompetent marketing (an)droids at work.

CC.

Bing? Really? (1)

Spazed (1013981) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799532)

I don't think Apple would make Bing the default search engine for any of its products. At the very most Apple would allow users to change their search engine. Think about it, this move would gain Apple nothing. Mobile phone searches don't happen enough for Google to worry about the lost ad revenue and Safari's market share is still pretty low on the desktop, so it wouldn't be a huge hit there either.

The only thing this would do is make users angry, Apple won't switch to Bing.

Re:Bing? Really? (1)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#30800046)

At the very most Apple would allow users to change their search engine

Apple already allows this.

Re:Bing? Really? (1)

Spazed (1013981) | more than 4 years ago | (#30800144)

You can switch from Google to Yahoo on the iPhone, on desktop Safari you have to dive into the command line.

What? no. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30799536)

Why would using google give Google ideas on how to improve android. "iPhone users look at Apple news a lot and search for apple stuff online - quick! We need to rebrand Nexus One put a bunch of apple logos on it!" or "people shop online! holy crap!" or "holy crap! people look at news online!". I'm not saying Apple isn't considering this as a threat, but I'm just saying I don't think they're considering it all out war as these analysts are thinking, and I just don't see why Apple would do that for fear Google will sniff out how to improve Android. They may cut Google out of ad revenue, which makes more sense, but seriously, they're not afraid Google will figure out how to improve Android by seeing what keywords iPhone users search for.

Also, let's not forget analysts get paid by how many people view and are interested in their analyses. The more outrageous the claim, the more clicks. Apple and Microsoft cuddling up? Yeah.

Awesome troll guys, brilliant.

ZOMG! Fanboi orgy incoming! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30799540)

Microsoft, Apple and Google all in one article? It will be an apocalypse of flames and jizz! XD

Re:ZOMG! Fanboi orgy incoming! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30800020)

More likely, a bunch of whiny Slashdotters moaning about "fanbois" that don't like the same OSes/products that they do.

Buy, not build (4, Interesting)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799548)

Google bought a mobile ad company called AdMob.
Apple bought a mobile ad company called Quattro.

Whatever happened to doing things in-house?

Re:Buy, not build (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799800)

Depends on how quickly you want to get up and running. Incubating a new business takes longer than buying one that's already operational.

Google versus Everyone? (2, Interesting)

jaypifer (64463) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799556)

Google cannot keep fighting Microsoft/Apple/US DOJ/China/Evil at once and win. They are going to have to find allies at some point or go bankrupt.

And what is it with people loving to predict the demise of the iPhone? Years ago it was the iPod killer and the only company that was able to kill the iPod was Apple.

Re:Google versus Everyone? (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799640)

When you're the fastest gun in the west, everyone comes to challenge you.

It was the same with WWI and WWII aces. Once you got to be top ace everyone on the other side would be gunning for you.

Another solution for Apple (5, Funny)

RoscBottle (937276) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799564)

To avoid Microsoft Apple could buy whatever is left of AltaVista. And then we'll have Apple Vista. No, wait...

Re:Another solution for Apple (2, Funny)

maccodemonkey (1438585) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799780)

"To avoid Microsoft Apple could buy whatever is left of AltaVista...."

Two bags of potato chips and an old 386 in a closet?

Gag me with a blender! (1)

OpinionatedDude (1323007) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799596)

Apple is doing just fine all by itself just like it has from the start. The thing that has me bothered is that I've been driving Ford's all my life (Dad worked for Ford forever). Now that Ford has been infected with Microsoft I may have to get my cars from somebody else. ;(

Ain't Gonna Happen (3, Interesting)

SkydiverFL (310021) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799606)

Apple has shown a clear desire to not remain glued to Microsoft. This is evident with the release of iWork and the dead-end path of the Office products on the Apple platform.

Because of my position, I have almost every handheld and PDA device that hits the market. As a seasoned .NET developer, I am biased towards Microsoft. However, that being said, the Windows Mobile platform is horrible. Even on devices like Samsung's Omnia, it is sluggish and cumbersome at best. Memory management is a nightmare.

The only realistic path is for the Windows Mobile platform to die off or be revamped from scratch. At most they may build a mobile version of Office for iPhone and Android but even that is a stretch.

Re:Ain't Gonna Happen (2, Interesting)

tyrione (134248) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799920)

Apple has shown a clear desire to not remain glued to Microsoft. This is evident with the release of iWork and the dead-end path of the Office products on the Apple platform.

Because of my position, I have almost every handheld and PDA device that hits the market. As a seasoned .NET developer, I am biased towards Microsoft. However, that being said, the Windows Mobile platform is horrible. Even on devices like Samsung's Omnia, it is sluggish and cumbersome at best. Memory management is a nightmare.

The only realistic path is for the Windows Mobile platform to die off or be revamped from scratch. At most they may build a mobile version of Office for iPhone and Android but even that is a stretch.

You're correct on all fronts. Apple no longer needs Microsoft, period. This is a desperate plea for BusinessWeek investors long on Microsoft hoping Apple will save a dead ship floating in the ocean spinning in a circle. Microsoft has burned out all of it's fuel and is just going in circles. The stock is in a holding pattern [it's split too many times] between 25-32 for the past 5+ years. It's going no where.

Re:Ain't Gonna Happen (1)

jim_v2000 (818799) | more than 4 years ago | (#30800092)

>Microsoft has burned out all of it's fuel and is just going in circles.

lol...don't become a business analyst

The enemy of your enemy is... (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799700)

... oh, wait, is about Microsoft we are talking about?

Won't have to wait for Hadron collider ... (0, Offtopic)

ctmurray (1475885) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799744)

If this happens we won't have to wait for the Hadron collider to end the universe...

What nonsense (5, Insightful)

BearRanger (945122) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799756)

Why is it always "war"? You know, it's just possible that the market for mobile phones is large enough to support many different vendors. Apple has consistently shown that they're happy with just a portion of the markets they play in--provided it's the most lucrative end of that market. The iPod is more an anomaly than the norm in terms of how Apple approaches its various markets. Google and Apple stand to gain more here if they continue to cooperate than if they become all out adversaries.

Changing the default iphone search back to Google (1)

deft (253558) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799798)

Changing the default iphone search back to Google..

There sure will be an app for that.

BusinessWeek are MORONS (3, Insightful)

tyrione (134248) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799894)

No this does not make perfect sense. Steve has a feud with Bill going back to NeXT. Sorry, but this will never fly. Apple has made their continent and are growing it.

Apple and MS have worked together for years! (2, Interesting)

MostAwesomeDude (980382) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799906)

Well, not overtly, but consider Apple's market position: They make shiny white boxes that are overpriced and pander to a small segment of the market. They have a fifth of the computer market and are not trying to expand, mostly because their vertically integrated business model makes it difficult to increase manufacturing. The Mac Mini proved that they had a cap on their production, and they cannot sell their OS alone without suffering greatly in their business model.

And Microsoft's position: They hold 80% of the market and cannot change. This isn't a problem because many large segments of customers are businesses that strongly desire an unchanging OS. MS has demonstrated a near-unbelievable commitment to binary compatibility and enterprise support, cementing its position. It hasn't been able to keep a strong grasp on the netbook and desktop market in recent years, though.

Now, where's the cooperation? Simple. Microsoft uses its deep pockets and inertia to continue to push itself as the dominant, common, utilitarian operating system, while Apple continually compares its products favorably to Microsoft's and portrays its systems as being hip, cool, modern, and fun. We've all seen the "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" commercials, and they're representative of the mentality Apple tries to inspire in its commercials, being the small underdog fighting against the big man. Remember "Think Different?"

One Slashdotter has a mangled Voltaire quote in his sig about Apple and MS, but in my opinion it's backward. "If there were no Microsoft, it would be necessary for Apple to create one." However, this will never happen, because Microsoft's power to endure is ridiculous. Just like IBM wasn't destroyed in the decades prior, Microsoft can't be brought down by hordes of Apple fans, or waves of Linux supporters.

Of course, I'm really just re-analysing the premises of World Domination 201 here, but it's not like anybody here has read it, right?

Can't possibly happen (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30799922)

Everyone knows Bing is a Cherry and theres already enough fruit around San Francisco

Apple customers are sick+tired of an M$ experience (3, Insightful)

D4C5CE (578304) | more than 4 years ago | (#30799942)

...usually one of the factors that made them buy Macs, iPods and iPhones in the first place. For this reason alone it seems quite unlikely that:

Jobs might cut a deal with—gasp!—Microsoft to make Bing Apple's engine of choice

Or maybe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30800006)

Or maybe Apple could just belly up and die. And so could Microsoft. There is no reason at all that the future must be a dystopian nightmare.

thank goodness it is real competition and not (1, Flamebait)

Locutus (9039) | more than 4 years ago | (#30800090)

thank goodness it is real competition and not the kind of competition Microsoft plays such as buying up another vendors customers and paying them to use Microsoft's technology. Apple came out with a great piece of hardware and software to back it up and they took over the mess which was also called "the smartphone market". That was three years ago and Microsoft has come up with pretty much nothing comparable on the software side. But what Microsoft had done was pay off every phone vendor at last years big mobile phone conference to _not_ talk about anything but Windows Mobile. So the public and press knew nothing about the Android wave which was about to overflow the market by the end of the year. On the hardware side, in the open platform segment, they have been getting there but still not close to what's been in the iPhone. It again took Apple to put the Cortex-A8 CPU in their phone to get the rest of the market to wake up to the performance levels obtainable using that technology. But like how quickly Apple sprung onto the wasteland which was called the smartphone segment, Google purchased a small company who put together a very nice phone software platform called Android and got it out there. They haven't been paying companies to not talk about other companies products and they know they need to make it as compelling, or better, than the Apple iPhone. Wow, real competition by making good product and competing on quality and value.

This kind of competition does not exist in the markets Microsofts dominates and they continue to use their wealth to limit competition. Just look at the Verizon-Microsoft deal where Microsoft's BING search engine, via an update, replaced all other choices of Blackberry phone user's phones. These exclusionary deals don't result in better product and market choice. So it's great to see Google and Apple competing by making better products and services. And I welcome Apple to the search or mobile ad markets too if it means a better products for consumers. I find it hard to believe that Apple would even consider a play with Microsoft thinking that it will help them compete with Android. Apple makes a good profit off their Mac franchise not by being the lowend player, they do it with quality hardware and software people are willing to pay a bit more for. Same for the iPhone and the iPod. it's good to have real competition in this market. IMO

LoB

Allegiance or alliance? (1)

dido (9125) | more than 4 years ago | (#30800166)

If Apple were in allegiance with Microsoft, we'd have Apple becoming subservient to Microsoft. I think the word here should be alliance, as allies are partners working together, and generally should treat each other as equals. However, given Microsoft's history of treating its "allies", the word 'allegiance' may well become more apt as well.

Switching to Bing would cost too many customers (2, Interesting)

fadir (522518) | more than 4 years ago | (#30800202)

A good chunk of the iPhone market share stems from customers that are fed up with Windows Mobile and similar crap. I doubt that those would be too happy to be driven back into the hell hole they've just escaped.

Jobs is clever enough not to risk that. He might be tempted but he's not an idiot.

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