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HandBrake Abandons DivX As an Output Format

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the so-2003 dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "DivX was the first digital video format to really win mainstream acceptance, doing for movies what MP3 did for music (both good and bad). Eventually even Sony, the king of proprietary formats, caved into pressure and added DivX support to its DVD players and the PlayStation 3. Now HandBrake's developers have made an interesting choice for version 0.9.4 — they ditched support for AVI files using DivX and XviD. Your only option now is to convert DVDs and other media to MKV or MP4 files, with the option to save as Apple-friendly M4V files. So why is HandBrake ditching AVI and XviD support when it's a format that's won such widespread acceptance? In the words of the developers, 'AVI is a rough beast. It is obsolete.'"

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This happened 2 months ago (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804126)

With the last release. Kind of old news. I agree with the decision. h.264 is clearly the way of the (immediate) future

Propz to GNAA

Re:This happened 2 months ago (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804152)

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GNAA Announces Immediate Release of OSX_x86_YHBT (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804178)

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Re:GNAA Announces Immediate Release of OSX_x86_YHB (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804194)

I just got back from a once-in-a-lifetime trip to old Havana. It's no secret that the Castro regime is desperate for hard currency (especially U.S. dollars). I'd also heard that the Cuban Ministry of Tourism was pulling out all the stops in a last-ditch effort to attract white upper class U.S. males (translation: disposable income) who were seeking nontraditional vacations.

Fellow members of the above target group, stop and think a bit about what you'd like in a no holds barred tropical vacation:
1) Smooth, aged in wood, dark rums for around $2 a bottle?
2) Absolutely stunning senoritas who do anything you want for $100 a night, or if you're on a budget, a first-class blow job for $20, no extra charge for a facial cumshot?
3) Primo Columbia flake cocaine at $500 per oz? This is absolutely fresh unstepped-on high quality nose candy -minimum 95% purity. WARNING: Do not, under any circumstances, try to leave Cuba with even a trace of this shit on you.
4) A wild deep sea fishing expedition where you fish with hand grenades and belt fed machine guns?

All this and more is available on what the Ministry of Tourism has dubbed their "Silver
Bullet Package." The package consists basically of prepaid hotel accommodation and prepaid meals. The hotel was clean, comfortable, but a little run down. Even the best hotels in old Havana seem a little seedy by American standards, but the staff go out of their way to make sure that the package members are pampered. The meals were a very pleasant surprise-unlimited quantities of fresh seafood, fruits, and fresh bread - but be warned that lunch and dinner are strictly BYOB. The hotel provides setups and mixers of course. This could have been a problem except that black marketers hawking good rum are numerous in the neighborhoods around the hotels. A small tip to a bell hop will put you face to face with a fellow selling hootch out of a suitcase. The bottles are unlabeled, but the dark rums I tasted put Myers Dark, Mount Gay, and Bacardi Dark to shame for about $2 a bottle!

As you might guess the day to day routine involves lots of eating, drinking, snorting,
dozing, and loitering. Taxi rides to the foreign beaches are fairly easy to find but I found the beaches strangely boring - most of the USDA Grade A pussy centers around the hotels and doesn't really get strutting 'till early evening. The ritual is as follows: Interested gents should sit out on their balconies an hour or so before sunset and look for young girls sauntering down the boulevard. The "working girls" are hoping to make eye contact. If you see a senorita you particularly like, wait 'till you catch her eye and give the universal "come on up" hand signal. The more seasoned pros will find your hotel room from your balcony's location. Sometimes it pays to run down to the lobby to meet her but it's usually not necessary. My favorite was a young slender brunette who called herself Maria. She claimed to be 14 (but was more likely 16 or 17), was light-skinned and a dead ringer for Paula Abdul. I nearly ejaculated when I heard her prices - $100 U.S. for the night, any sex I wanted, or if I was in a hurry $20 for a blowjob. I've never been comfortable with long term relationships, so I was leaning towards the latter option. I asked her if she was an expert at oral sex. She must have read my mind -she swore she gave the best blowjob in all Havana, then smiled, and put her arms around my neck and added: "If I like your cock you can cum all over my face." God, that settled it. I slipped her a $20 bill and she put a pillow on the floor to kneel on. This wasn't one of those midtown Manhattan "hurry up and come so I can cook up another shot" blowjobs, no siree. This was more like "Honey, I really really love my new mink coat. " Full eye contact, lots of licking and teasing. She must have liked my cock, because when I was ready to shoot she
lifted her head back, positioned the head of my cock just over her chin and jerked me off - my favorite way to cum. She got up smiling and asked "You like?". When I caught my breath, I sighed "Bueno, muy bueno".

When she had tidied up and left, I laid out 4 fat lines, snorted up, and called room service for more diet coke, ice, and limes. I fell asleep sucking up rum & cokes, reading "Boy Clinton" by R. Emmet Tyrell, and day dreaming about Maria. What a country, this Cuba!

About the cocaine: Shortly after they check in each package member will be invited by the hotel manager to stop by his office for a drink. There he'll introduce you to a bureaucrat in the Cuban government who will offer you top quality cocaine at a fantastic price (see earlier reference). Don't panic. The Cuban government is getting this shit straight from one of the Colombian cartels and using it to generate cash - one potential group of customers being foreign tourists. If you decide to buy, you'll sign a form declaring that you will not sell, trade, or give any of it to a Cuban national and that you will not attempt to leave the country with any in your possession. Unless you like having cattle prods shoved up your shit chute in a vomit splattered cell in the basement of a Cuban jail, I'd strenuously adhere to these two provisions. Rememberthis isn't America where you can whine for a lawyer and be out on bail in a few hours. DON'T FUCK WITH THE CUBAN POLICE OR MILITARY.

Next morning it was up and at'em early for the craziest deep sea fishing trip I'd ever been on. After a nice breakfast of dramamine, diet coke, cocaine and bananas I trundled on down to the hotel entrance where a taxi was waiting to take me and two other guys to the marina. Imagine our surprise when we pull into what looked like some sort of Cuban Coast Guard Station. We'd booked the trip at the hotel and had assumed we'd be going out on a typical deep sea fishing boat. It turned out the boat we'd be on was a small cutter complete with twin light artillery guns toward the bow and 3 belt fed machine guns, 2 on either side of the bridge, and one mounted at the stern. Also, my guess was correct, we were in fact at the Cuban equivalent of a Coast Guard station and the boat would be manned by its usual military crew. I was beginning to lose interest in the outing when the two other tourists and I were introduced to the three "mates" for the trip - perfectly tanned foxes sensibly dressed in deck shoes and thong bikinis. My curiosity aroused, we boarded ship and were soon underway. I settled into a comfortable snooze in one of the three captain's chairs at the stern until we were well offshore.

I was woken up by the unmistakable feel of a large warm breast pressed into my cheek and nose. I opened my eyes to a bird's eye view of a fine pair of hooters. Readjusting my focus, I realized I was being offered a drink by one of our mates. She said we'd fish soon and trotted off to fetch more drinks. It was then that I noticed the complete absence of deep sea fishing rods, outriggers, etc.. The boat droned on for a while longer, then my mate came back with a fresh drink and a fish net. Two sailors carried a wood crate over to where we sat and put it on the deck. From the bridge I heard some shouting and saw the captain pointing to the sea near us. My mate told me we'd found a school of dolphin (the fish, not the mammal). She slid open the top of the wood crate and handed me a pineapple grenade. Sensing my confusion, she smiled and said, "You fish, I net."

What the fuck, I pulled the pin and tossed it overboard. A few seconds later, a low thud, a spray of water, and a bunch of floating dolphin! My mate started scooping them up and throwing them into the ice chest. The two other tourists and mates had been doing same, and it appeared that our 3 grenades had decimated the school, so we motored along in search of more. We spent a pleasant morning fishing in this manner. Around noon, a sailor lugged out a few metal boxes of belted ammo and loaded the stern machine gun. He turned to me when done, smiled and said, "Now, big game". I couldn't imagine what the hell we'd be shooting at,unless it was shark. My mate brought another ice cold drink, cozied up to me and clued me in: "We're shooting what you call illegal aliens; they're scum on rafts and homemade boats that are
deserting Fidel's paradise." Hmm- I'd have to play this one by ear. We had shifted course a little while ago and in about an hour came within sight of a group on a raft trying to make it to the Florida Keys. The captain came down from the bridge, introduced himself, and took up position at the stern machine gun. As we drew along side, and just passed the raft, I saw his thumbs press the spade trigger. There was a deafening roar. Everyone on the raft was wasted. He turned to me, smiling apologetically, saying, "It may seem cruel, but these people, if they make it to your country, are just going to wind up on welfare or in jail. We're doing both of our governments a favor." He paused a few seconds as if for emphasis and added, "Here, it's your turn next."

I thought about what he said, what an overcrowded cesspool the U.S. was becoming, and I realized he was right. The last thing our country needed was more penniless, illiterate niggers. I hopped up in the captain's chair behind the stern gun. By God, here was my chance to do something positive about the situation when all of our fucking politicians were busy transforming the whole goddamn country into Newark, N.J. My mate whispered in my ear, "If each guest gets one boat, the three mates give everyone on board a blow job." That's all I needed to hear. I'd done 4 fat lines in the head below deck just a while ago and I was primed. After about 30 minutes of search time we spied another raft. The captain pulled along side about 50 yds. away and then turned to give me a full field of fire. I lined up my sights on the middle bunch of wretches on deck then pressed the spade thumb trigger. Some of them were blown overboard, some cut in two by the burst. I lingered on the trigger just a tad longer than professional, but God it felt good. A cheer went up from our crew, and I moved out from behind the gun for the next tourist's turn. We scored our next two refugee crafts in about 1 1/2 hours, and I and the other two tourists were treated to first class blow jobs below deck. Afterwards we retired to the stern to sip drinks and watch the mates service the crew. It was a beautiful finish to a beautiful day - the late afternoon sun, the rum and cokes, and all the cock sucking. The only thing in life that comes close to watching your cock slide in and out of a beautiful girl's mouth, is watching someone else's cock do the same. On the taxi ride back to the hotel, I thought that with all the vomit inspired tourist spots in the U.S, like Disney world, our sterile National Park system (No Hunting, No Fishing, No Camping, this is your National Park, enjoy it!), the usual obsolete and meaningless monuments (Statue of Liberty), why the fuck hasn't someone come up with a Silver Bullet Package for the good old U.S.A? Why the fuck do healthy normal males with normal interests have to travel to Cuba for something like this?

Oh well troopers, if you've found a hot foreign vacation spot let good buddy George Kranz know.

Later.

Re:GNAA Announces Immediate Release of OSX_x86_YHB (-1, Offtopic)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804262)

damn....what is that shit you've been snorting?

I haven't used DIVX in years (1)

GilliamOS (1313019) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804144)

I stopped downloading it on the torrent sites because I never found a quality encode job that was worth the bandwidth. Meh, formats come and go in favor of better more modern solutions. I think the bigger note here is that HandBrake now supports 64-bit processor encoding.

Re:I haven't used DIVX in years (1)

defireman (1365467) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804158)

There was a time when intel indeo and codecs like that were so widely used. I've come across them again recently and could only remark how obsolete they've become.

The future seems to be H264/AAC.

Re:I haven't used DIVX in years (5, Insightful)

jo42 (227475) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804204)

All we need now is for .flv to dry up and blow away...

Re:I haven't used DIVX in years (2, Insightful)

ZackSchil (560462) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804268)

I don't mind the actual .flv format as much as watching the videos with the crashy, memory-hungry CPU hog that is Flash. Playing back flv containers in VLC is perfectly fine. The video is mostly H.264 anyway.

Re:I haven't used DIVX in years (2, Interesting)

DirePickle (796986) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804408)

This is something I honestly don't understand: If VLC can play flv with 1% CPU usage, why can't we have a VLC plugin for a browser that'll do that on Youtube?

Re:I haven't used DIVX in years (4, Informative)

s0litaire (1205168) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804502)

You could just use "greasemonky" plugin in Firefox and install the "YouTube Without Flash" script and videos will play using your default media player...

Re:I haven't used DIVX in years (3, Informative)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804510)

When you visit Youtube, I believe that it tells the browser to load an .swf file, which is a Flash file and not a video file. This swf file is actually a video player (including the controls and everything) which has been written in Flash, and that player plays whatever video file it has been instructed to play.

Even if VLC could load that swf file correctly, it would then be running the YouTube Flash application which would in turn play the movie, and that's not what you want. You want direct access to the FLV file.

FLV itself isn't a terrible format, though. I think it's basically just h263, which... yeah, just like you'd think, was a precursor to h264. Youtube is encoding everything in h264 these days anyway, and Flash plays h264 files. In all cases, the problem isn't the video file encoding, but the Flash player that's used to play it.

Re:I haven't used DIVX in years (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804404)

Oh god, I've downloaded shows without checking the filetype and have been nailed by shit encoded in REAL. Seriously, it's 2010, who's still encoding for realplayer?

Re:I haven't used DIVX in years (1)

lambent (234167) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804206)

for now. all of my encodes of late have been h264/aac. i'm really gonna be pissed when the next format bump comes along, tho; OCD is a bitch.

Re:I haven't used DIVX in years (2, Informative)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804358)

It's depressing to see x264 become so ubiquitous as it seems very fractured. I have devices that will play some videos, but not all.

Bitch all you want about Divx, but if I want something that will stream to my Xbox without fail, play on my DVD player... Divx/Xvid is the only option.

HandBrake? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804146)

Another software I never heard of shoots itself in the foot for no reason whatsoever.
I guess I'll stick with DVDx and mencoder.

Re:HandBrake? (0, Troll)

maestro371 (762740) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804188)

HandBrake is the de-facto standard for creating h.264 files on Mac, Linux and Windows systems. You should get to know it; you won't miss that crappy, proprietary DivX.

Re:HandBrake? (5, Informative)

nxtw (866177) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804328)

HandBrake is the de-facto standard for creating h.264 files on Mac, Linux and Windows systems. You should get to know it; you won't miss that crappy, proprietary DivX.

It's hardly a de-facto standard; it's just another utility using ffmpeg and x264.

Re:HandBrake? (2, Insightful)

unhooked (21010) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804356)

No, handbrake is a front end for the de-facto standard for creating multimedia files... get to know them and you won't care which flavor of the month format is being used. Personally I stopped using handbrake years ago because the developers always seem to be dropping X for some lame reason.

Re:HandBrake? (1)

maestro371 (762740) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804606)

True enough. I've never tried using x264 and ffmpeg by themselves. HB makes using a bunch of different programs to accomplish a single task pretty easy.

Re:HandBrake? (0)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804382)

Except Xvid has always been open and works just fine across multiple devices.

X264 is a terrible standard, with various files and options breaking support on some devices and programs. Other files just won't play at all. It just creates tedious compatibility issues.

I have files that play in some programs and devices, not others. That that are supposedly supported (like my iPod Touch), the iPod can't recognize. In short, x264 encoding is a giant clusterfuck compared to Xvid, which I know will just work on my Xbox, my DVD player, my portable media player etc... (Only device it won't is my iPod.)

And as the comment below said Handbrake is just another utility using ffmpeg etc...

Re:HandBrake? (5, Insightful)

nxtw (866177) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804546)

This is not informative.

Except Xvid has always been open

XviD is an MPEG-4 Part 2 implementation; it is one of many.

X264 is a terrible standard

x264 is not a standard at all; it is an encoder for the H.264/MPEG-4 Part 10 standard, which is just as open as MPEG-4 Part 2.

with various files and options breaking support on some devices and programs

This is a necessity; H.264 is suitable for encoding low-bitrate, low-resolution video or high-bitrate, high-resolution video. It is useful for 20 mbit/sec high definition streams, or 256 kbit/sec videoconferencing.
The standard defines various levels that various hardware decoders implement. [wikipedia.org]

Other files just won't play at all.

Possibly because they were out-of-spec, or not in a container the player supports. x264 isn't responsible for the user's ignorance.

foot.shoot(); (5, Insightful)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804160)

Dropping all formats that Windows play by default is IMO a bad decision. It may make the CCCP Project [cccp-project.net] more popular and spur more people to install Quicktime (yuck), but it'll also drive away lots of inexperienced users.

Re:foot.shoot(); (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804234)

Don't think the developers really give a shit about inexperienced users.

Re:foot.shoot(); (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804272)

Yeah, but it's going to be inexperienced users trying to play their torrent, now in some crap elitist format.

Re:foot.shoot(); (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804470)

Ha! You think people encoding videos to put up in torrents use Handbrake. Funny.

Re:foot.shoot(); (4, Funny)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804274)

How experienced do you need to be to use handbrake? For crying out loud, if you can't tie your shoes you don' t need to try and convert video files.

Re:foot.shoot(); (1, Insightful)

Unoti (731964) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804278)

Windows users should install VLC. Windows users who can't be bothered to use anything other than Windows Media Player can suck it, seriously.

Re:foot.shoot(); (4, Informative)

nxtw (866177) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804416)

Windows users should install VLC.

VLC is a poor choice. Media Player Classic Home Cinema [sourceforge.net] supports Windows's DirectShow media playback system, and supports hardware accelerated decoding, hardware accelerated rendering, codecs other than those included with MPC-HC, etc.

Re:foot.shoot(); (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804526)

Good choice, but keep vlc around to play glitchy files that mpc wont play.

Re:foot.shoot(); (1)

nxtw (866177) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804534)

Good choice, but keep vlc around to play glitchy files that mpc wont play.

Hasn't happened to me; but I occasionally find myself using MPC-HC in VMware because I can't get VLC or any other Mac player to play a file.

Re:foot.shoot(); (5, Informative)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804340)

Windows doesn't play DivX or XviD files by default. To my knowledge, Handbrake never encoded files that Windows would play without installing an extra player or codec.

Re:foot.shoot(); (3, Informative)

HouseOfMisterE (659953) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804468)

With the most recent MS-provided updates for Windows Media Player on Windows XP (and Windows 7), it does support playback of XviD and DivX without installing any third-party CODECS. This is a relatively new development.

Re:foot.shoot(); (3, Interesting)

je ne sais quoi (987177) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804504)

In any case, handbrake started as an application for BeOS [wikipedia.org] and didn't even have a windows gui until version 0.8.5 [handbrake.fr] . I was using it on macs way back in the day when 700 Mb was your practical limit because hard drive space was still more precious than blank CDs and writable DVDs were hugely expensive.

Why would they care about what windows does? It survived without windows before it was famous, it'll survive without divx -- h264 is so incredible you don't need divx anyway.

Re:foot.shoot(); (2, Informative)

strstr (539330) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804518)

Windows Media Player 12 (Win7) will play most MPEG4/AVC files, including XviD and DivX out of the box. I believe it's due out soon for previous versions of Windows.

Re:foot.shoot(); (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804568)

Windows 7 is supposed to also play h264 files out of the box. I assumed we were talking about previous versions of Windows.

Re:foot.shoot(); (2, Insightful)

Mad Merlin (837387) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804556)

Windows doesn't play anything by default. Who cares?

Re:foot.shoot(); (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804590)

Windows 7 natively supports DivX, Xvid, MKV and H.264

Windows 7 plays H.264 by default (3, Informative)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804360)

Perhaps you need to stop using a 7 year old OS as your reference of what "Windows does".

Re:Windows 7 plays H.264 by default (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804414)

It does? I've dropped .mp4 files on Windows Media Player and until I installed an actual codec they wouldn't play.

But by all means, what am I missing?

Re:what am I missing? (1)

snikulin (889460) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804506)

Win7 (in my case it's ultimate-x64).

Re:foot.shoot(); (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804400)

Windows does play .mp4 files by default these days.

Re:foot.shoot(); (3, Informative)

nxtw (866177) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804406)

Dropping all formats that Windows play by default is IMO a bad decision.

Only Windows 7 will decode XviD or H.264 without extra software. With AVI it would be possible to use this tool to create videos only Windows 7 could play without extra software. But AVI is an obsolete container (which is why Microsoft stopped using it).

Re:foot.shoot(); (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804498)

Someone PLEASE tell Canon AVI is d.e.a.d. dead. Their compact cameras still spew this out, and my other half loves to come home with half a card of this sh!t that won't even convert cleanly to flv or DivX, or anything!

Re:foot.shoot(); (1)

VoltageX (845249) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804536)

Windows 7 will play H.264 but does not natively recognise the Matroska container.

Yeah!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804164)

I applaud and support the developers of Handbrake in their decision. I never cared for Divx to begin with as it was a cheap hack of the mpeg4 standard (which hadn't been completed yet). And AVI... 'nough said about that. Long live MKV and MP4 (until the next format king arrives).

Um. (5, Insightful)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804166)

Streaming to my legacy device which cannot be easily reprogrammed such as my Xbox 360 really relies on XVid. So, for now, I guess Handbrake is the rough beast. Oh well, I use dvd::rip anyway and avidemux when I need to do some transcoding. Computers can be easily upgraded, devices not so much: that is something to keep in mind too.

Re:Um. (1)

binaryspiral (784263) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804324)

Streaming to my legacy device which cannot be easily reprogrammed such as my Xbox 360 really relies on XVid. So, for now, I guess Handbrake is the rough beast. Oh well, I use dvd::rip anyway and avidemux when I need to do some transcoding. Computers can be easily upgraded, devices not so much: that is something to keep in mind too.

I don't want to take the air out of your argument... but... your Xbox 360 never had the ability to play divx/xvid videos until Microsoft released an update. They can release another to accept mpeg4 - but they won't. That's a great feature for the next Microsoft gaming console.

They're both MPEG-4 (2, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804390)

I don't want to take the air out of your argument... but... your Xbox 360 never had the ability to play divx/xvid videos until Microsoft released an update. They can release another to accept mpeg4 - but they won't. That's a great feature for the next Microsoft gaming console.

DivX/Xvid are encoders for MPEG-4 Part 2, aka Advanced Simple Profile. H.264 is MPEG-4 Part 10. I would imagine that H.264 has both a CPU cost and a royalty cost higher than ASP. I seem to remember the Xbox 360's add-on HD DVD drive coming with an H.264 decoder, but I also seem to remember its license being limited to HD DVD playback, not Ethernet or USB hard drive playback.

But perhaps more importantly, the Xbox 360 isn't the only device that would need an upgrade; DVD players carrying the DivX logo come with decoders for a subset of MPEG-4 Part 2 but not necessarily H.264.

Re:Um. (3, Informative)

mstahl (701501) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804338)

As of last year or so the Xbox 360 plays MPEG-4 files just fine. I have mine play them over the network from my server.

Re:Um. (-1, Troll)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804364)

My thoughts exactly.Oh boy, it'll be great to drop the one format my COTS player has. It's the equivalent of a digital audio player not playing MP3s.

Typical OSS developer mindset: "If you buy $500 worth of hardware, then you can run the newest version of our software, which is FREE!!"

Re:Um. (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804394)

XBox 360 can't decode h264? I thought it could. If not, then maybe they ought to get on board, since it looks like h264 is the current de facto standard.

Re:Um. (1)

MistrBlank (1183469) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804516)

I don't know the format specifically, but I do know that the current version of handbrake rips my DVDs well for playback on the Xbox and my iPhone. I love it.

It should also be noted, it took PCauthority 2 months on the latest release to come to this realization? Authority they are not, clearly.

They don't like supporting it (4, Informative)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804168)

Basically, from the article:

The [Handbrake DivX] code has not been actively maintained since 2005. Keeping it in the library while implementing new features means a very convoluted data pipeline, full of conditionals that make the code more difficult to read and maintain, and make output harder to predict. As such, it is now gone. It is not coming back, and good riddance."

They go on to explain that DivX quality isn't as good either. I am not sure if that is true or not, but I think the major reason they are dropping it is because they didn't want to be bothered. Which is as valid a reason as any, I suppose.

Re:They don't like supporting it (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804300)

Basically, from the article:

The [Handbrake DivX] code has not been actively maintained since 2005. Keeping it in the library while implementing new features means a very convoluted data pipeline, full of conditionals that make the code more difficult to read and maintain, and make output harder to predict. As such, it is now gone. It is not coming back, and good riddance."

They go on to explain that DivX quality isn't as good either. I am not sure if that is true or not, but I think the major reason they are dropping it is because they didn't want to be bothered. Which is as valid a reason as any, I suppose.

Yeah, but the developers are kinda douchey as it is. For one thing, try downloading an older release -- they delete them all.

  I can't get the latest to compile, on two different linux boxes (one Debian, one Ubuntu), so I've been using my older copy on the Debian machine. My binary won't run on the Ubuntu box, though so I needed an older version. I had to grab an svn snapshot of a previous release to get the older source code, and then their manky build system tries to download certain packages from a handbrake-run ftp in order to get specific versions of certain libraries, which fails to work since they've removed those files specific to the older version of handbrake. *sigh*

  While googling for older releases I saw that other people have had persistent bugs in the last couple of releases which result in the devs basically giving a "works for me" response, leaving those wanting the older releases, too.

  Their answer they give to anyone asking about an older version is "use the latest version, it has the most features." Which is a kinda jerky answer.

  And did I mention their build system sucks? Sure, autotools is a bitch for a dev to set up, but at least it's never given me weird, inexplicable failures like jam and especially scons. (Damn you to hell, scons! I want those two afternoons back!)

Re:They don't like supporting it (2, Insightful)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804438)

As a user nothing pisses me off like reporting, say, a MySQL bug and getting the response "oh that's in 5.x.y not 5.x.(y+1)? Sorry but we only fix bugs in the latest release"

As a developer nothing pisses me off like a user expecting me to have every version of my code installed on every conceivable platform ready to be debugged and rereleased with fixes, it's just not practical (especially for FOSS projects).

So yes it's annoying as hell, but having around all the old code and dependencies when you want to keep moving to code forward is equally annoying; it's either you or them getting frustrated, and since it's their choice and there's no money involved to force their hand you're out of luck.

Re:They don't like supporting it (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804482)

Yeah, but it wouldn't rxactly be a terrible burden on them to leave the older releases on the server, maybe with a "we don't support these anymore" notice.

Re:They don't like supporting it (1, Informative)

nxtw (866177) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804434)

They go on to explain that DivX quality isn't as good either. I am not sure if that is true or not

The program never supported DivX to begin with; it used XviD. And MPEG-4 Part 2 (the standard XviD implements) is known to be inferior to H.264/MPEG-4 Part 10. H.264 is much more widely used than MPEG-4 Part 2 - in satellite TV, videoconferencing, Blu-ray, etc.

Full dev quote from TFA (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804172)

"AVI is a rough beast. It is obsolete. It does not support modern container features like chapters, muxed-in subtitles, variable framerate video, or out of order frame display. Furthermore, HandBrake's AVI muxer is vanilla AVI 1.0 that doesn't even support large files. The code has not been actively maintained since 2005. Keeping it in the library while implementing new features means a very convoluted data pipeline, full of conditionals that make the code more difficult to read and maintain, and make output harder to predict. As such, it is now gone. It is not coming back, and good riddance."

"HandBrake, these days, is almost entirely about H.264 video, aka MPEG-4 Part 10. This makes it rather...superfluous to include two different encoders for an older codec, MPEG-4 Part 2. When choosing between FFmpeg's and XviD's, it came down to a matter of necessity. We need to include libavcodec (FFmpeg) for a bunch of other parts of its API, like decoding. Meanwhile, XviD's build system causes grief (it's the most common support query we get about compiling, after x264's requirement of yasm). Since we mainly use MPEG-4 Part 2 for testing/debugging, and recommend only H.264 for high quality encodes, XviD's undisputed quality edge over FFmpeg's encoder is inconsequential, while FFmpeg's speed edge over XviD is important to us."

Talking about apples and oranges. (1)

Rob from RPI (4309) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804176)

DivX is a CODEC, AVI is a CONTAINER. Just because you don't support AVI doesn't mean you don't support DivX.

Re:Talking about apples and oranges. (4, Informative)

Telvin_3d (855514) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804240)

DivX is a CODEC, AVI is a CONTAINER. Just because you don't support AVI doesn't mean you don't support DivX

While technically true, that's functionally meaningless. If your program supports limited codecs that work with a particular container (for example... AVI) ditching one is the same as ditching the other.

For all intents and purposes DIVX is AVI as far as popular support goes. I'm not sure I can name another codec that I've seen used in the last few years as more than a intermediate step.

Re:Talking about apples and oranges. (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804246)

I had this same thought but I think the overall point was that the DivX codec in the AVI container is a piece of shit. MKV and MP4 are the future.

Re:Talking about apples and oranges. (1)

Grey Ninja (739021) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804422)

so I can only assume that a DivX encoded video in an MKV container is not a piece of shit? Sweet. I'm going to convert all my video library from AVI to MKV, and it's going to rule.

Re:Talking about apples and oranges. (4, Funny)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804532)

I just renamed all my AVI files to MKV. It's, like, the same thing, right?

Re:Talking about apples and oranges. (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804418)

I own a Magnavox DVD player with a DivX logo. The criteria for this logo include not only the MPEG-4 Part 2 codec but also the AVI container.

Yeah, last November... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804180)

And they were right to do so. It's one of the big reasons why OGG/OGM was such a hard sell for HTML5.

This is old news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804190)

Handbrake 0.9.4 was released November 23, 2009.

Just because PC Authority writes an article about something that happened 2 months ago doesn't mean you have to perpetuate it.

Time synch (3, Interesting)

exabrial (818005) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804198)

I may be off my base here, but I believe one of the big drawbacks from AVI (I didn't RTFA) is synching audio with video. You'll be watching a movie and suddenly it's dubbed worse than "Most Extreme Elimination Challenge." I am extremely impressed with AAC + h.264. Mp3 has left me very disappointed in movies so far. (probably the extreme dynamic range compression)

Re:Time synch (4, Informative)

scdeimos (632778) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804596)

AV-sync is still an issue for modern containers, like MKV, it's just that most GUI front ends automatically handle the parameters when encoding for you - command line pilots still need a calculator.

The biggest drawbacks of the dinosaur AVI container format include: it doesn't support chapters (ah, the hacks in Encarta to work around that); it doesn't support included subtitle streams; it doesn't support alternative video tracks; it doesn't support alternative audio tracks. Heck, in it's 1.0 version it didn't even support multi-gigabyte files. I'm all for covering it with another shovel-full of dirt.

If killing-off support for the AVI container means a few casualties like DivX/XviD codecs (and it doesn't, except for embedded solutions that don't have firmware upgrade paths) there'll be no tears here - there have been much better quality and higher efficiency codecs to replace them for a number of years.

Bah, AVI is ultimately legacy. Switched to mpeg4. (5, Informative)

stevetures (656643) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804218)

I was surprised when this happened, but I can appreciate that, ultimately, it's a legacy format. Apparently, the AVI implementation is very convoluted to keep up with new features. Here's a selected quote from their release blog: "It does not support modern container features like chapters, muxed-in subtitles, variable framerate video, or out of order frame display....The code has not been actively maintained since 2005. Keeping it in the library while implementing new features means a very convoluted data pipeline, full of conditionals that make the code more difficult to read and maintain, and make output harder to predict. As such, it is now gone. It is not coming back, and good riddance." (sadly there didnt seem to be a permalink to the whole article - here's the current news page [handbrake.fr] ).

As such, I've moved on and figured out which flavor of mpeg-4 works best for me; and I'm happier with the improved picture quality as a result.

Re:Bah, AVI is ultimately legacy. Switched to mpeg (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804530)

What about people who just want a video file that plays on their DVD player?

I just want to copy files to a USB drive, plug it into a player, scroll down, select the files, then click on it.

This is of course wrong (2, Informative)

Snaller (147050) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804608)

The dvix people added muxed in subtitles, chapters a long time ago, these people just can't be bothered.

This is not about compression (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804220)

it is about the WRAPPER, .avi is the issue

So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804228)

I don't use Handbrake for MPEG4 ASP anyway. It's only one of many tools I use, and only for h.264. It's certainly not always preferred, given its lackluster audio encoder (compared to Nero). I still use DivX a lot for re-encoding DVDs. Depends on the nature of the content, how portable I want it to be, and LONG I want to sit around waiting for an encode to finish (DivX = fast, h.264 = forever). Hardware DivX support is still more widespread than h.264, although h.264 is finally starting to gain some traction in some hardware, particularly phones and PMP devices.

Re:So? (1)

nxtw (866177) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804484)

Hardware DivX support is still more widespread than h.264, although h.264 is finally starting to gain some traction in some hardware, particularly phones and PMP devices.

H.264 support is much more widespread - it's in every Blu-ray player, every recent HD satellite receiver, every recent nVidia and ATI GPU and some recent Intel GPUs.

re: Its obsolete (0, Troll)

mysidia (191772) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804280)

In the words of the developers, 'AVI is a rough beast. It is obsolete.'"

Yes... Windows and the .DOC and .DOCX file formats are also obsolete and a big mess.

Why are people still using them?

Don't people realize their lives would be so much easier if they switched to Linux, KOffice, and started saving everything as .ODT and .PDF files?

Re: Its obsolete (1)

nxtw (866177) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804450)

AVI is obsolete; Microsoft uses the WMV container now, and has for about a decade now... DOCX is not obsolete.

Re: Its obsolete (1)

mgblst (80109) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804572)

Most people don't actually have to develop for .doc or .docx, so they don't see the bad side. Unless Microsoft drops support for DOC and DOCX, just like Handbrake have done, they are still going to be in use.

I am surprised that this needs to be explained.

Because H.264 / MPEG-4 AVC is Mature! (5, Informative)

JakFrost (139885) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804298)

Because H.264/MPEG-4 AVC [wikipedia.org] is Mature! We have availability of fast and reliable open source x264 [wikipedia.org] H.264 / MPEG-4 AVC encoder and the wide spread usage of Matroska (MKV) [wikipedia.org] container files and MPEG 4 (MP4) [wikipedia.org] container files. Even some set-top boxes support playback of video and audio from both containers now and more are announced for this year. There is also a demand now for HD content in both 720p an and 1080i/p formats H.264 is required to give reasonable file sizes versus XviD/DivX (MPEG-4 ASP [wikipedia.org] ).

Also Audio Video Interleave (AVI) [wikipedia.org] container files are problematic and have limitations since they don't allow the inclusion of chapters or subtitles, are not compatible with newer audio encoding formats such as AAC and lossless Dolby Digital or DTS audio formats, and don't work really well with some of the newer video formats.

It is time to move on from this old container format and also move away from older DivX and XviD (MPEG-4 ASP) formats onto the newer H.264 / MPEG-4 (x264) video encoding formats.

Re:Because H.264 / MPEG-4 AVC is Mature! (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804446)

DivX was always a bastard format anyway, from what I recall, it is MPEG 4 video with MPEG 2 audio in a way-obsolete Microsoft-designed container.

If there really is a big demand for it, some other software will support it, or there will be a fork.

Re:Because H.264 / MPEG-4 AVC is Mature! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804476)

H.264 and MPEG are patent minefields. Seems there's always another cheapjack patent outfit that comes out of the woodwork and starts suing every known tech company for $500 million apiece, as though they just discovered the violation last week.

Re:Because H.264 / MPEG-4 AVC is Mature! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804490)

Be careful with the word "mature". I know some industries where that is a synonym for obsolete, with "mature" technologies no longer being supported in the latest software.

Re:Because H.264 / MPEG-4 AVC is Mature! (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804570)

I also like the fact that MKV containers can store multiple subtitles. I have only used m4v and mrkv containers of late.

Re:Because H.264 / MPEG-4 AVC is Mature! (1)

Pentium100 (1240090) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804588)

A lot of DivX DVD players do not support h264 or mkv. Recently I was looking for a DVD player that supported h264, but I only could find Bluray players (very expensive) and "media centers" (also very expensive) that supported a lot of formats, had an ethernet or WiFi capability and no DVD drive. And I don;t see people buying a new DVD player just because it supports this new codec. Those who need a DVD player should look for one with most capabilities, but those who already have one will continue using it.

I have never used chapters (not on Laserdisc, DVD or mkv files) and I have seen some .avi files with AC3 (which is Dolby digital) audio on them.

I agree about the subtitles, but, unless you are watching anime, you will have to find the subtitles yourself, they will be contained in a separate file and you will be able to watch the movie with subtitles no matter what container it is in. (I prefer hard subs though).

Don't get me wrong - I like h264, I usually download anime in this codec, unless it is not available. But that is because I watch anime on my computer, so I don't have to worry about compatibility problems.

"As a output format" (0, Redundant)

johncandale (1430587) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804312)

Story is not completely clear, at points saying dropping support completely. Which is a bad idea, Handbrake is just a transcoder, the more formats it has, the better. Only in dreamland does will the whole world pick one or even just a few formats. So frustrating to get a video file and realize the Solika encoders picked a seemingly obscure codac that your editor/writer can't handle, being assured that the codac is faster, better and smaller isn't much of a consolation

Dropping it as just a output formant is a little different.

They removed ogg support too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804330)

Hello Firefox 3.5+ uses ogg for video tags you jackasses. Thanks handbrake, apple apologists.

0.9.3 (1)

maino82 (851720) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804332)

I stuck with the 0.9.3 version for quite awhile because of the lack of support for AVI in the latest release, but grudgingly I switched over a few weeks back. MKV is choppy and buggy on my Ubuntu install for some reason (I get video tearing all the time and I can't seek without the audio getting out of sync or disappearing entirely). VLC handles the files a little more gracefully than MPlayer or Xine, but it's still not ideal. I'm banking on support getting better though (or upgrading my hardware if it turns out that's the problem). I do, however, like the chapters and subtitles features that MKV brings to the table.

I can certainly understand to drop support for obsolete containers, but I think that calling AVI obsolete at this point is very premature.

Re:0.9.3 (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804372)

I think that calling AVI obsolete at this point is very premature.

Hardly, AVI was obsolete ages ago. Remember, this is the container format that was used at the very start of Video for Windows. The most common codec back then was Intel's Indeo codec, which Microsoft just deactivated.

AVI, MKV, MP4, OGG are just containers. Some are simply not worth maintaining due to their age.

Re:0.9.3 (1)

maino82 (851720) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804478)

I realize that AVI is indeed old, but old and obsolete are not the same thing. People still use AVI on a very regular basis, and as long as it gets used, it is, by definition, not obsolete. I suppose one way to make it obsolete, however, is to discontinue support for it so no one can encode something in an AVI container anymore, haha.

Ummm, what? (2, Informative)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804342)

Eventually even Sony, the king of proprietary formats, caved into pressure and added DivX support to its DVD players and the PlayStation 3.

DivX is a proprietary format. The summary seems to be implying that somehow it is not. Sony licensed DivX from the company that created it, it didn't use some "open" implementation.

Re:Ummm, what? (5, Informative)

Microlith (54737) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804384)

It's not implying anything of the sort. It's making the point that DivX was so popular, even Sony (who loves creating proprietary, Sony-only formats) added support for it to the PS3.

DIVX AVI MKV MP4 eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804366)

MKV and AVI are containers. DIVX/XVID and H.264 are codecs. It is common practice to put H.264 in a MKV container cause avi containers don't handle it. But you can put Divx in MKV as well. So I just question this articles tech savvy-ness in describing what is happening. It seems like a exaggerated bla bla...

Re:DIVX AVI MKV MP4 eh? (1)

HouseOfMisterE (659953) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804508)

You can most certainly put H.264 into an AVI container, though you may be hard pressed to find a reason to do this. There are tools available that make it an easy task. I've actually had to do it a couple of times, and it worked just fine.

Wow, really a lot of anger (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804392)

Jesus! How dare they! The nerve.

I mean, I know it really pisses me off when people develop something free and open source and then make a decision to remove something outdated and replaced by newer functionality that I happen to disagree with.

It isn't like I could just download the old code and patch it into the new code. Or maintain a DivX patchset.

No, it's easier to complain...

But seriously guys, DivX is old and outdated, AVI even moreso. H.264 and modern containers make more sense, are becoming more widely supported.

Complaining that windows doesn't natively support it is like getting pissed when people use SVG because windows doesn't natively support it. Or PNG and internet explorer. Be mad at Microsoft for not supporting more than craptasticly outdated AVI.

Seriously guys, get over it.

Now it needs .m2ts support (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804424)

mkv is a great format, but it isn't supported by Windows 7, Mac OS X (Quicktime), 360 or PS3.

I can however play an H.264/AC-3 .m2ts file on Windows 7 and PS3. Maybe Mac OS X too, I'm not sure (my Mac is too slow for HD video anyway).

Because of this I end up converting virtually all my .mkvs to .2mts files (using TSMuxer) and throwing the .mkvs away. I can stream them to my PS3 for viewing on my TV or watch them in VLC on my Mac or VLC or Windows Media Player on my Windows PC. .m2ts is a very capable format, I wish more people would use it.

And on the main topic, I'm so over AVI. Only with extensions can it support files large enough for HD movies, and then the playback compatibility drops through the floor anyway.
And H.264 is so good it almost baffles me.

XVid was key when we were watching SD content on hacked (original) Xboxes. That was a long time ago now. It's time to move on.

Big FD. (5, Informative)

xigxag (167441) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804426)

First of all the original handbrake.fr article says nothing specifically about DivX. It talks about XviD and OGM. I guess OGM wasn't "controversial" enough for the editors so they ignored that and focused on DivX.

But the real issue is: Big deal, DivX themselves are moving to H.264/mkv [divx.com] with all deliberate speed. Even they realize there's no point in anyone holding on to codecs and containers which are inferior in every respect. So, since mkv is a legitimate container in DivX7, the writeup is in fact erroneous. Surprise.

Uh, DivX is switching to MKV (1)

strstr (539330) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804548)

That's a major lack of insight into this situation. DivX also hasn't ever inherintly meant AVI. AVI it's a standard Windows container format and DivX is something completely different, the data that can be stored inside the AVI format.

Well HandBrake is rubbish anyway (0, Troll)

Snaller (147050) | more than 4 years ago | (#30804574)

Big bloated, bad interface. I'm sure we'll do without it.

Linux is obsolete too. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30804576)

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