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Sound Generator Lethal From 10 Meters

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the can-you-hear-me-now dept.

The Military 314

penguinrecorder writes "The Thunder Generator uses a mixture of liquefied petroleum, cooking gas, and air to create explosions, which in turn generate shock waves capable of stunning people from 30 to 100 meters away. At that range, the weapon is relatively harmless, making people run in panic when they feel the sonic blast hitting their bodies. However, at less than ten meters, the Thunder Generator is capable of causing permanent damage or killing people."

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The A-Team (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30831118)

In the words of B. A. Baracus, "BOOM!"

Re:The A-Team (3, Funny)

Barny (103770) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831160)

I was thinking more Unreal Tournament: MMMmmmmm MULTI KILL!

Eta till this is in some PC game where it works as tested?

Re:The A-Team (1)

PrimordialSoup (1065284) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831470)

Or Halo like "Killtacular"

Re:The A-Team (1)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831546)

Killer speakers, dude.

Kate Bush! (2, Interesting)

chub_mackerel (911522) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831578)

Kate Bush's song about this type of thing: "Experiment IV"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6hvNe11r9U [youtube.com]

"They told us
All they wanted
Was a sound that could kill someone
From a distance.
So we go ahead,
And the meters are over in the red.
It's a mistake in the making."

Re:Kate Bush! (1)

Lars T. (470328) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831992)

I wouldn't call 30 feet "from a distance".

Re:The A-Team (1)

at_slashdot (674436) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831888)

MEGA KILL!

Want this in my car! (4, Funny)

yog (19073) | more than 4 years ago | (#30832038)

I would love to mount one of these babies under the hood and use it as a killer car horn for those drivers who JUST. WON'T. MOVE. One blast from this thing and they'll never sit there texting at the green light again. Also handy for those clueless people who drive UNDER THE SPEED LIMIT in the leftmost lane. Can't take a hint? Can't see my lights flashing? Don't realize you're clogging up the expressway? BOOOOMMMMM. Imagine the satisfying feeling as they instinctively floor the accelerator while blood dribbles down from their ears! Ahhh.

Re:The A-Team (1)

Lord Byron II (671689) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831444)

Taking a cue from MythBusters the other day, I want to use this to tenderize meat. How would you like your steak? Oh, 10 meters and medium rare, please!

Permanent damage at 100 meters too... (4, Informative)

TerranFury (726743) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831172)

Just firing a handgun without hearing protection is enough to rip out the hair cells in your ears (which don't grow back) and cause permanent hearing loss. I'm pretty sure that if this thing is capable of "stunning" people it's doing lasting damage to your auditory system. That damage may be small, but it remains that the ringing you hear in your ears afterward is still a set of frequencies you'll never hear again.

Re:Permanent damage at 100 meters too... (4, Funny)

RemoWilliams84 (1348761) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831220)

Which is why these things would be perfect for a rock concert. Set a few throughout the crowd and time them to the bass drum. Hardcore!

If it is tool loud you are too old. (1)

leuk_he (194174) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831832)

Or at least such a cannon would give a unexpected meaning to the saying "if it is too loud you are too old". You might even stop aging.

Re:Permanent damage at 100 meters too... (4, Insightful)

j00r0m4nc3r (959816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831272)

I don't see the big news here. At close range it's easy to kill. Even something like a $5 potato cannon can kill people at close range. Being in close proximity to exploding things has never really been good for your health..

Re:Permanent damage at 100 meters too... (3, Insightful)

Ephemeriis (315124) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831412)

I don't see the big news here. At close range it's easy to kill. Even something like a $5 potato cannon can kill people at close range. Being in close proximity to exploding things has never really been good for your health..

I dunno... 10 meters isn't really what I would personally call "close range." That's 30ish feet... Roughly the height of a three-story building. That's a good amount of distance between you and the target.

And I wonder what the area of affect is like... Is this a single-target thing, or a crowd-dispersal thing? Because if it's designed for crowd control, I'm imagining it's got a pretty big area of effect... And you can fit an awful lot of people in a 30' cone... All of which would be permanently injured or killed.

If you look at the article...

According to company data, the system generates 60 to 100 bursts per minute, each traveling at about 2,000 meters per second and lasting up to 300 milliseconds.

One standard 12-kilogram LPG gas canister (retail cost: about $25) can produce up to 5,000 shock bursts.

"That's more than enough for hours of continuous operation,"

Imagine the potential for misuse.

Re:Permanent damage at 100 meters too... (2, Insightful)

precariousgray (1663153) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831628)

Five dollars? At close range, I could kill somebody for free!

Potato Cannons (4, Funny)

WED Fan (911325) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831640)

Even something like a $5 potato cannon can kill people at close range.

Dude, don't start it up. Those folks in Idaho are a thin skinned bunch.

The Idaho Potatoe Council, through their spokesman, Spuddy Buddy, want to reiterate that, "Potatoes don't kill people, people kill people."

"The potatoe is a non-lethal vegetable. In fact, there is only one tuber that is considered a weapon, but it is grown only in the upper most reaches of the Andeas on the boarders of Chile and Peru," Buddy went on to say.

Did you know millions of potatoes have been shipped around the world as humanitarian relief. Not a single one has been used in military agression. There has only been one instance of a potato being used to kill. That was the aforementioned Peruvian Murder Spud (rough translation) that the CIA used in an assasination attempt on the husband of Evita Peron.

Re:Potato Cannons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30831704)

Dan Quayle, is that you?

Re:Potato Cannons (3, Funny)

operagost (62405) | more than 4 years ago | (#30832042)

potatoe

Dan Quayle, is that you?

Re:Permanent damage at 100 meters too... (4, Insightful)

atrizu (1434023) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831824)

I think the big issue here is that some government(s) will no doubt be using this to break up protests or at any time when other less-than-lethal weapons would have been used in the past.

Re:Permanent damage at 100 meters too... (2, Interesting)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831836)

    In other news, a concussion can be dangerous.

    Ya, it's not news. It sounds like a potato cannon without the potato, firing at 100 pulses per minute. Pretty interesting that they're getting that kind of rate, but still, obviously dangerous.

    There's a reason a concussion grenade works, and it's not always shrapnel. I'm guessing the 10m deadly zone is directly downrange of the cannon, not beside or behind it. It's still a contained explosion, so all the force goes one direction, rather than disbursing in all directions.

    Rapid sequence concussions can effect the action of the heart (induced arrhythmia), or a variety of other problems similar to being hit by something. So it's a concussion, not a projectile. Still obviously deadly. Folks know, don't shoot at people unless you want them dead, and that includes firing blanks.

Re:Permanent damage at 100 meters too... (1)

Trailer Trash (60756) | more than 4 years ago | (#30832054)

The problem is that it's being pushed as "non-lethal", yet it clearly can be lethal. Like tasers. Around 350 people have died in the US in the last 10 years from supposedly non-lethal tasers.

The other issue is that if it's not lethal and causes no permanent damage, it's a new tool for torture. Again, like tasers.

Re:Permanent damage at 100 meters too... (2, Interesting)

GiveBenADollar (1722738) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831340)

Article doesn't give too many details, but if it's a vortex cannon it could be capable stunning people without causing hearing loss. The question is whether you get stunned by a wall of air or very loud sound. I don't trust reporters to be able to distinguish the two.

Re:Permanent damage at 100 meters too... (1, Insightful)

Majik Sheff (930627) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831544)

wall of air = pressure wave
sound = pressure wave
therefore:
wall of air = sound

Please explain to this simpleton where I'm misinformed?

Re:Permanent damage at 100 meters too... (5, Interesting)

GiveBenADollar (1722738) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831792)

You have to see it to understand it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am12NZwr3Fk [youtube.com] Vortex cannons send out a spiraling ring of air. They can hit people and things with some serious force, but it's not due to sound.

Re:Permanent damage at 100 meters too... (1)

Moryath (553296) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831840)

Nope. Wall of Air = Card [wizards.com] .

Re:Permanent damage at 100 meters too... (1)

DJRumpy (1345787) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831604)

According to TFA:

"Anyone within 30 to 50 meters from the cannon will feel like he's standing in front of a firing squad," he said. "He'll feel and hear the blast, but he won't be hurled to the ground. He'll be able to run away unharmed and that's the point of this application."

It seems this will not have much physical force, but will indeed have potential for causing hearing loss.

TFA SAID, "RELATIVELY HARMLESS"!!! (1)

jeffb (2.718) (1189693) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831348)

</Garrett_Morris>

Re:TFA SAID, "RELATIVELY HARMLESS"!!! (1)

MadKeithV (102058) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831510)

"Mostly harmless"

Re:TFA SAID, "RELATIVELY HARMLESS"!!! (4, Insightful)

confused one (671304) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831586)

In military parlance, "relatively harmless" means something different than what it does in the civilian world.

Re:Permanent damage at 100 meters too... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30831448)

Hey, it's just marketing. Why it's produced verbatim on /. is another matter.

Re:Permanent damage at 100 meters too... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30831478)

...the ringing you hear in your ears afterward is still a set of frequencies you'll never hear again.

+1. It's amazing to me how many people don't understand this point. I've got hearing loss and tinnitus and it is a genuine disability. The developers of these things will argue, "well it's better than shooting people," but I'm not sure that's the only alternative.

Re:Permanent damage at 100 meters too... (1)

mindbrane (1548037) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831528)

I grew up hunting and fishing. I had to pass what was then the bronze, silver and gold small calibre standards. A 20 gauge over and under and a colt 45 remain my favourite weapons although I no longer own guns or hunt. I'm unaware of any permanent damage to hearing caused by handguns, unless you're specifically speaking to indoor ranges. My hearing tests out excellent and I'd hate to see the carnage and spent rounds my years of hunting and target shooting would amount to.

Re:Permanent damage at 100 meters too... (1)

swillden (191260) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831984)

You got lucky, somehow. Nearly everyone who does a significant amount of shooting without hearing protection ends up with permanent hearing damage. You can probably get away with firing a lot of .22 shells through a rifle without too much concern, but shorten the barrel or increase the powder charge, or both, and if you don't wear some protection you will probably be sorry. Well, not YOU, I guess, but the rest of us.

Re:Permanent damage at 100 meters too... (1)

GerardAtJob (1245980) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831788)

Damn... just patent that and create a device that remove body hair with sonic blast! :)

When 11 Just Isn't Loud Enough... (2, Funny)

jaminJay (1198469) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831186)

When 11 just isn't loud enough...

Finally, Disaster Area can live up to their reputation!

Etc...

Re:When 11 Just Isn't Loud Enough... (1)

Archaemic (1546639) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831214)

I don't think you understand. If this is a 12, Disaster Area is somewhere hovering around a 400 or so.

Re:When 11 Just Isn't Loud Enough... (1)

MRe_nl (306212) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831296)

Large hot pipe organ at Robodock, hard to see but pump up the volume.
The machine in the article sounds a lot like one we built there, only our "cannons" where controlled through Cubase/Fruityloops-style music software. And pointed straight up to minimize lethality, allthough glass still shattered at 50 meters/150 feet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oceb7Uf4ucQ [youtube.com]

LHPO + AIBF? (1)

argent (18001) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831648)

Cool, I've been a fan of LHPO for years. I used to crew for hot-air balloons so just the thought of MIDI-controlled propane torches is awesome.

You need to do a gig at the Albuquerque International Balloon Fiesta. Seriously.

Re:When 11 Just Isn't Loud Enough... (1)

khallow (566160) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831300)

In my view, "Disaster Area" isn't a destination, but a development path. We should work our way up from riot control equipment to WMDs to planet killing gear. A high end concert might involve dropping large black holes into each other so that the galaxy can feel the beat via gravity waves powerful enough to rip stars apart. And since the galaxy is your stage, you'll sell a lot of tickets!

Re:When 11 Just Isn't Loud Enough... (1)

jaminJay (1198469) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831406)

+1: Innovator

Top news as it happens on Slashdot! (5, Insightful)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831228)

Sufficiently powerful shock waves can kill people!

Coming up next we ask an expert - what exactly is an explosion again?

Weather follows at 11.

Re:Top news as it happens on Slashdot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30831344)

this is a very tough market to crack. people have been selling cheaper products that do the same thing for ages, but there's surprisingly little demand. in fact, i found this on ebay just now, but even at £2.15 it remained unsold.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRITNEY-SPEARS-BABY-ONE-MORE-TIME-UK-3-track-remix-CD_W0QQitemZ280452703006QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CDsDVDs_CDs_CDs_GL?hash=item414c48a31e#ht_500wt_1102

Re:Top news as it happens on Slashdot! (1)

AP31R0N (723649) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831440)

It's news because /. will rail against this tech as being a tool of oppression that Bush will use on peaceful protesters.

Re:Top news as it happens on Slashdot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30831954)

I won't buy unless they boost that range.

Upcoming Headline: (4, Funny)

Cornwallis (1188489) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831250)

"Don't Boom Me Bro!"

Lamest comment today (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30831252)

THAT'S JUST STUNNING!

Sound Gun (1)

nomorecwrd (1193329) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831258)

It just doesn't sound right.

wait... (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831270)

Does this mean a real Sonic Screwdriver is not far behind?

Re:wait... (1)

ddxexex (1664191) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831834)

I'm no Time Lord, But I don't see how a sonic boom has enough torque to screw in a screw and be safe enough not end up destroying the screw and/or user. Although screwdrivers do lots of other things too, like killing people in a very short radius by stabbing them. If that's all you need in a screwdriver, then you're set then otherwise keep looking for police boxes for a while.

No, thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30831306)

A thunder generator in the battle field ? Call me old fashioned (and it won't be the first time) but I'll prefer a cannon, thank you.

"liquefied petroleum"? (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831316)

Ah... I've been shoveling solid lumps of petroleum into my tank for years. Did I do an oopsie?

Re:"liquefied petroleum"? (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831378)

liquefied petroleum gas, not liquefied petroleum solid. It's not like LPG is uncommon.

Of course leaving off the Gas part in the name is pretty uncommon.

Re:"liquefied petroleum"? (1)

bcmm (768152) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831540)

Nedlohs has it right: Slashdot editors apparently haven't heard of Autogas [wikipedia.org] .

All I can add is that LPG is not actually the same as the stuff called "petrol" in English and "gasoline" in American. It's a lighter fraction that would be gaseous at RTP but is kept as a liquid in a pressurised tank.

Re:"liquefied petroleum"? (1)

RockClimbingFool (692426) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831656)

aka Propane [wikipedia.org] . You know, the stuff used for grilling food in on your back porch that comes in 25lb canisters.

Well, canisters that are capable of holding 25lbs, but are not filled to capacity anymore. But that is another story.

Yet Another Oops (5, Informative)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831320)

Yet again, OP gets it a little bit wrong, but in this case you can't blame the poster because TFA states it wrong as well. LPG is short for for Liquified Petroleum Gas, and it IS "cooking gas", it isn't "mixed with" cooking gas. Jeez. LPG is usually propane or butane or a mixture of them.

Having stated that, I will add my voice to what others have already posted: this device is a disaster waiting to happen. It has no place in "positive" enforcement scenarios. It might be useful as a self-defense weapon, but I question even that.

Re:Yet Another Oops (2, Insightful)

shadowrat (1069614) | more than 4 years ago | (#30832016)

i think it goes without saying that a weapon is designed to be a disaster, for somebody.

Project X? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30831372)

You've got to admit, this sounds like it's hopping straight out of a certain Rand novel.

Re:Project X? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30831894)

That's a lot like what I was thinking. I was going to say it would never appear in a Rand novel since it's a private company, but it turns out the startup was funded by "Israel's Chief Scientist's Office", so scratch that.

Fuel-air explosion (2, Insightful)

Aceticon (140883) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831374)

So how exactly is it surprising that a fuel-air explosion will scare, hurt and even kill people depending on the distance?

Pacifist (2, Insightful)

neoform (551705) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831402)

Maybe I'm being a bit too much of a pacifist here, but why are we constantly spending so much time developing newer ways to kill ourselves.. seems like we could better use those resources.

Re:Pacifist (0, Troll)

mdarksbane (587589) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831726)

This is, in fact, spending a lot of money and time developing a new way to exercise the same power over people without actually killing them. It's a symptom of your new kindler, gentler overlords.

Re:Pacifist (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30832040)

No, it's a weapon designed to lower the barrier of use.

You cannot fire guns into a crowd of protesters at a demonstration but you can use these non-leathal weapons. The dissent is stopped in its track and the majority of people will only say "who cares, it's non-leathal, nothing happened".

It's actually more insidious than leathal weapons because you can suppress protest without generating a lot of public outrage.

Re:Pacifist (1)

AP31R0N (723649) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831808)

It's primary purpose is to end a threat without killing. Which, oddly enough, is the purpose of weapons for non-evil folk.

Generally, even crooks don't want to kill people, they just want to deter you from interfering with their crime. Some bad guys revel in killing, but that's why we dedicate a segment of our society to dealing with them: police and military. It's unfortunate, but the bad guys don't give a shit about what is fair or the resources wasted on deterring, persuing, trying and imprisoning. They are inconsiderate dicks. So we either have to submit to them or resist them. Sometimes the don't stop being mean because "it's wrong" or when we ask them politely. Sometimes resisting them means causing them pain or death. The option of: "live on a planet without bad guys" is not available yet. i think someday it could be.

This system is designed to make non-hardcore but still potentially dangerous folk to drop their molotovs and go away. There are less than lethal systems that seem less destructive than this. However, a blast from this is more survivable than a blast from an AR 15 or AK 47. The US military has rules for escalation of force in dealing with civilians*. If they use sticks and rocks, our soldiers can respond with non-lethal force. If they bring lethal weapons to the party, they become (unlawful) combatants and it's "open fire". i'd like for our soldiers to come home without having shot and killed civilians who got out of hand. i'd like for any place we occupy to have as few civilian deaths as possible, so i think working on systems like this is a good thing.

This particular system needs work. It might be useful only on ships.

* Civilian != innocent

Interesting (4, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831434)

I think my friend Hotblack Desiato [wikipedia.org] could do with a few of these for his rock band.

Jon-Erik Hexum (4, Interesting)

BenEnglishAtHome (449670) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831438)

Things harmless at range can kill at contact distance. [wikipedia.org] That's why some blind people with licenses to carry concealed handguns use blanks.

Re:Jon-Erik Hexum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30831616)

Umm. Fully blind people can get CCWs? They can fire live rounds? I suppose I can see why the 2nd ammendment allows for that, but still, wtf America.

Re:Jon-Erik Hexum (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831766)

You're proposing that they discriminate against someone because of a disability?

You'll be wanting to take away their driving licenses, next!

Re:Jon-Erik Hexum (4, Interesting)

swillden (191260) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831880)

Umm. Fully blind people can get CCWs? They can fire live rounds? I suppose I can see why the 2nd ammendment allows for that, but still, wtf America.

They're blind, not stupid or irresponsible. Blind people are perfectly capable of understanding the risks and potential consequences of using a firearm for self-defense. Granted that it's much more difficult for them to use a gun safely and effectively, but those obstacles are no more insuperable than many others a blind person faces. Obviously, they would only use their gun on an attacker at contact distance, and the idea of using blanks is to prevent innocents from being injured by overpenetration, since the blind person may not know who or what is on the other side of their target.

Personally, I wouldn't recommend blanks for that application. I'd recommend frangible bullets, or perhaps just a relatively light powder charge in a large caliber cartridge with a reliably-expanding jacketed hollowpoint. Blanks fired into the chest are unlikely to stop a determined attacker. On the other hand, 95% of firearms self-defense incidents don't involve a shot being fired at all -- the attacker sees the gun and runs away -- so blanks would work fine. With blanks, you could even fire a "warning shot" (NOT a good idea with real ammunition) to make the point that you're serious, which would probably raise the likelihood of the bad guy turning tail another percentage point or two.

Oh, and to answer the first question: Yes, in most states. A handful (e.g. Nevada) have range requirements that would be hard for a blind person to meet. Then again, there may be exceptions in the laws, or ways around them for disabled people.

Re:Jon-Erik Hexum (3, Interesting)

RogL (608926) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831988)

Re-read the post - he mentions blind people using blanks, so they can point a gun at a nearby attacker & fire, without much risk to anyone further away.

Also, a CCW entitles you to legally carry a weapon, not necessarily a gun - the details vary by state, but that may include a stun-gun, pepper-spray, knife, baton, you get the idea... A weapon that may normally be prohibited but is OK with a CCW permit. Some of those would be useful even if blind.

Wrong summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30831442)

Shockwaves != sound waves

IAF Sound Devices (4, Informative)

smitty777 (1612557) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831458)

This is not the only sound based non-lethal weapon used by the IAF. They also use a device called The Scream [wanttoknow.info] , which emits a sound that causes disorientation and nausea. This one works at low, inaudible frequencies that vibrate the internal organs of the targets. There is also an high frequency version that is audible, that also produces a burning sensation on the skin (but does not produce any permanent damage).
 
I think they were also toying with using these types of weapons against the pirates in Somalia.

Re:IAF Sound Devices (2, Interesting)

pongo000 (97357) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831920)

This one works at low, inaudible frequencies that vibrate the internal organs of the targets.

Interesting aside to PP: The movie Irreversible [imdb.com] used low-frequency sounds in its soundtrack to induce nausea in the viewer.

Mixture of what? (1)

bcmm (768152) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831472)

LPG and cooking gas are both usually ways of saying propane/butane mix. Any ideas as to what they're trying to say here?

Re:Mixture of what? (1)

Darth Sdlavrot (1614139) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831904)

The gas I cook on is natural gas, i.e. methane.

Some people (in this country) who don't have gas company pipes in their street use propane -- they have a big "bottle" and a truck comes to fill it up periodically. I can't say I've ever seen anyone use butane instead of propane, but I suppose anything is possible.

The only time I use propane or butane to cook on is when I go camping.

It is as a mosquito's whine.. (2, Funny)

byrdfl3w (1193387) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831482)

..compared to my Darth Farts.

First Dune Post (4, Funny)

Ukab the Great (87152) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831502)

"Through sound and motion, you will be able to paralyze nerves, shatter bones, set fires, suffocate an enemy or burst his organs."

Re:First Dune Post (1)

jayspec462 (609781) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831806)

Well thanks for posting that, Ukab the Great... Ukab the Great... Ukab the Great... UKAB THE... *BOOM!!!*

Your name is a killing word...

Re:First Dune Post (1)

Airborne-ng (1391105) | more than 4 years ago | (#30832022)

All the above derived from the abomination that was the 1984 Dune movie [imdb.com] and not from the award winning books [dunenovels.com] .

Disaster Area is okay, but... (1)

No Grand Plan (975972) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831516)

I prefer the much-more subtle (and slightly less fictional) Kate Bush, with "Experiment IV."

"...and they told us/what they wanted/was a sound that could kill someone"

How fast? (4, Interesting)

zenopus (114516) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831520)

According to company data, the system generates 60 to 100 bursts per minute, each traveling at about 2,000 meters per second and lasting up to 300 milliseconds.

It is pretty impressive they can make a burst of sound move at six times the speed of sound.

Re:How fast? (1)

ars (79600) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831694)

Compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detonation [wikipedia.org] super-sonic pressure wave with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflagration [wikipedia.org] sub-sonic pressure wave.

Sound is defined as a pressure wave, so I guess this is sound, but it's really more like a small explosion.

Re:How fast? (3, Informative)

zenopus (114516) | more than 4 years ago | (#30832020)

Yes, the detonation can be faster than the speed of sound but the resulting sound only propagates at the speed of sound.

To get those bursts to propagate to the target at supersonic rates there would have to be combustible gas all the way from the device to the target.

A jet fighter going at mach 2 carries with it a sonic boom traveling at 6 times the speed of sound.
When it passes overhead at an altitude of 6k feet, you see it pass and you hear it 6 seconds later.
The sonic boom travels at mach 2 only because the fighter goes at mach 2, the sound propagates perpendicular to the fighter only at the speed of sound.

Potential problems on the implementation stage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30831550)

When would you typically use this?
On a battlefield? No.
Against protesters standing neatly behind barriers 30-100 meters away? Well, if they were standing so neatly, there wouldn't be much point in blasting them, would it.
Probably against protesters out of control, rushing forward in a chaotic situation. And if the effect is felt strongly you would prefer not to use it when there's lots of policemen trying to control the crowd, and if the effect feels weaker at range, protesters have been pretty well known to ignore some discomfort.
I just can't see how the micromechanics of this would work out.

Re:Potential problems on the implementation stage (1)

virg_mattes (230616) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831910)

The places where this sort of thing are valuable are places where you want to control or forbid access to an area without lethal force. An example above described use of sonic weapons against pirate boarding parties. Another would be at exit points to correctional facilities, to control prison riots. Alarm systems that interdict could use such devices to drive back unauthorized entry (for example, in case of a breakin at a nuclear power plant or military facility). They wouldn't be much use for crowd control, though, as you pointed out.

Virg

Wait...what? (1)

Orleron (835910) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831566)

Wouldn't the people firing the boomsday device be killed, since they are right next to it pulling the trigger?
If you mount it on top of a humvee, same problem, no?

Re:Wait...what? (1)

Nathrael (1251426) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831902)

Ear protection.

Re:Wait...what? (1)

Orleron (835910) | more than 4 years ago | (#30832046)

That would probably protect your ears, but what about damage to the rest of your body, if the shockwaves are that powerful?

Blanks can be lethal too (1)

davidwr (791652) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831570)

When pointed in the ear or certain other places, some blanks can cause permanent injury or kill.

The point is, most less-than-lethal weapons could kill when used improperly. So treat them with respect, don't use them unless you are trained in their proper use, and don't use them improperly.

Super Villians (1)

GPLDAN (732269) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831572)

Turns out a single badass Deltal only known by his codename 'Dutch' (real name: Alan Schaeffer) killed a space alien in the jungle after a protracted stalking, and procured this weapon from the alien armor suit. The alien had managed to kill the rest of Dutch's team but somehow Dutch set off a low yield nuclear weapon and destroy the creature. This report was leaked by the tin foil underground movement, and is the real source of this new weapon.

Weirding module (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30831610)

My name is a killing word.

Know what else is lethal at 10 meters? (3, Funny)

Zantac69 (1331461) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831716)

American Idol (the 'real competition' portion - not the auditions that are sometimes hilarious), Eurovision Song Contest, and America/Britain's Got Talent. Within 10 meters, all of these can be lethal to people with IQs greater than 75. At distances greater than 10 meters, I am not sure of the lethality...but just hearing it causes me to double over with pain.

Re:Know what else is lethal at 10 meters? (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831858)

I don't like American Idol but America's Got Talent produce Terry Fator, and well the man's talented.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG6MyTDoZXs [youtube.com]

Kate Bush did it! (2, Interesting)

RevWaldo (1186281) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831782)

"Experiment IV" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6hvNe11r9U [youtube.com]

Warning - pretentious as hell, even for Kate Bush fans. YMMV. Starring Hugh "the guy from House" Laurie and Dawn "magnificent bosom" French.

Now Available: Sonic Armor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30831796)

Extremely light-weight and very wearable, sonic armor is now being sold. Crafted of 'soundproof' ceiling tiles it just might be enough to let you keep your lunch next time such a weapon is aimed at you!

Sound Generator? (3, Insightful)

tjstork (137384) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831822)

A bomb is a sound generator too, and maybe we should this thing for what it is, a bomb. It is very loud when it explodes, and is world renowned for its ability to stun people at safe distances and kill them at closer distances.

Squawk Box anyone? (1)

davFr (679391) | more than 4 years ago | (#30831924)

I am surprised you don't know the Squawk Box, which was used by the Brits again the Irish demonstrators. This box was a secret weapon used to cause non-lethal injuries, "thanks" to powerful acoustic waves.
And no, it was not Beatles' music.

Voice power (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30832018)

Beck and Limbaugh are lethal (to brain cells) from a mere 2 feet.

Weirding module (1)

CDS (143158) | more than 4 years ago | (#30832084)

It's a Weirding Module [wikipedia.org] !! So do you have to chant "muuuuad-DIB!" to make it fire??
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