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Final Fantasy I and II Are Coming To the iPhone and iPod Touch

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the go-red-wings dept.

Role Playing (Games) 142

jonasvdc tips an announcement by Square Enix that Final Fantasy I and Final Fantasy II are being developed for the iPhone and the iPod touch. The graphics and UI have been modified to look and run better on the touchscreen devices, but everything from Cecil to the classic Black Mage is clearly recognizable. The announcement did not include any information on a price or release date.

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142 comments

Um, Cecil? (5, Insightful)

Kufat (563166) | more than 4 years ago | (#30846772)

Cecil isn't in any of the screenshots...because he isn't in either of the games mentioned. That's Final Fantasy IV, which has been known by that name in every release except for the US SNES version.

I can see being confused by the renaming, but how do you see a character in the screenshots who just isn't there?

Re:Um, Cecil? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30846816)

Because soulskill is a fucking moron.

Re:Um, Cecil? (1)

Conchobair (1648793) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847144)

No, he is a SPOONY BARD!!!

Re:Um, Cecil? (2, Interesting)

Draek (916851) | more than 4 years ago | (#30846850)

I believe the submitter got confused between Cecil and Kain (y'know, the good/bad/good/whatever guy from FFIV), and further confused the Dragoon in the screenshot with him, leading to his statement in TFS.

Re:Um, Cecil? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30847272)

Also, compare the characters from this wikipedia entry [wikipedia.org] to what I presume is a screenshot from Final Fantasy 2 [facebook.com] . You can see the similarities to several of the character designs, namely the top guy in red and the 3rd slot guy in blue.

This definitely is not Final Fantasy 4j/2us.

Re:Um, Cecil? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30847514)

Confirmed, no Cecil. They are releasing FFII for the NES. This is NOT FFIV that was released as "FFII" in the U.S.

In the screen shots, a princess is telling you a password of "wild rose". In the fight, two characters have names of Maria and Guy, default names in the REAL FFII.

That IS Cecil (1)

aardwolf64 (160070) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847532)

The dude at the top IS Cecil. It's him after becoming the Holy Knight. That is in fact Final Fantasy IV, which as you've already said was FF2 in the US.

Re:That IS Cecil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30847722)

No, it's not. It's Firion (Frionel). In fact, the screenshot says as much. He's the main character of Final Fantasy 2.

Re:That IS Cecil (1)

HunterZ (20035) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847750)

Huh? That facebook/chillze picture clearly shows the characters from FF2j.

Re:That IS Cecil (1)

aardwolf64 (160070) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848662)

Oh... Well, he looked like Cecil to me too. I guess I didn't recognize them since I didn't play FF2j for more than 20 minutes (it was before there were ready translations.)

Re:That IS Cecil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30848434)

The dude at the top IS Cecil. It's him after becoming the Holy Knight. That is in fact Final Fantasy IV, which as you've already said was FF2 in the US.

"The graphics and UI have been modified to look and run better on the touchscreen devices" That is not Cecil, just a graphically altered Frioniel.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/file/563414/10175 - FFII for NES walkthrough. Wild rose is what the princess says the password is near the beginning of the game. The main characters are Frioniel, Maria and Guy. The names of the party members in the screen shot are Firion, Maria, Guy and Ricard. Richard is a Dragoon that comes to help you late in the game.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/snes/file/522596/21617 - "FFII" for SNES, what was FFIV in Japan walkthrough. Search through this or any other walkthrough. No mention of wild rose at all, but all the Cecil you want.

They are releasing FFI which we all agree is FFI and the original FFII as it was named in Japan.

Re:Um, Cecil? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30848790)

how do you see a character in the screenshots who just isn't there?

It's due to the higher resolution of the iPhone.

Re:Um, Cecil? (1)

_KiTA_ (241027) | more than 4 years ago | (#30849616)

Cecil isn't in any of the screenshots...because he isn't in either of the games mentioned. That's Final Fantasy IV, which has been known by that name in every release except for the US SNES version.

I can see being confused by the renaming, but how do you see a character in the screenshots who just isn't there?

If you look at the first screenshot, Richard is dressed up almost the exact same as dark Knight Cecil. This is because Richard is also a dark knight -- of sorts. It's not an inexcusable mistake.

Re:Um, Cecil? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30849822)

the one at the bottom is cecil as a dark knight

To be clear... (1)

Palshife (60519) | more than 4 years ago | (#30846784)

Are we talking about I and II, or I and IV?

Re:To be clear... (2, Informative)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 4 years ago | (#30846868)

SquareEnix re-released Final Fantasy IV outside of Japan on the DS as Final Fantasy IV, so that's what they're calling that now.

Cecil is not in Final Fantasy II (as the numbering scheme now goes) so he's not clearly seen.

Re:To be clear... (1)

Zanix (684798) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848284)

To be truly anal, Final Fantasy IV is what they've called all of the Japan releases of the game as well as the releases of the game for Playstation 1, Advanced, AND the most recent version on the DS. The only version called Final Fantasy II was the US SNES release. The game has been released several times since then. Anyone who has been playing Final Fantasy since the start has been calling it FFIV since FFVII came out and the realization that there had been 6 others before it but only three had been released in the US.

So to bring my point back home, it certainly isn't just now that they have begun calling it FFIV, they have been calling it FFIV for well over 10 years.

Come ON Nintendo, Square (1)

oloron (1092167) | more than 4 years ago | (#30846788)

Final Fantasy 1 was THE game that got me into the RPG genre, and solidified my Nintendo Fan-boi-ism for many,many years to come, but now having seen my favorite game ported to Sony PSP and now iPhone/iPod without seeing an NDS remake is just boiling my oil. and also to Square/Enix, don't forget about those of us who saved your now-wretched company back then when Final Fantasy was almost your swan-song, We'd like a way to play this game on a console with bloodlines to the original, without having to resort to emulators to do so. I've been waiting since i heard of the PSP version for a DS port/remake to come out, looks like I still have to keep waiting :\ Olo

Re:Come ON Nintendo, Square (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30846888)

I think the issue is that you became a Nintendo Fan-boi and Square/Enix Didn't.

Square used Nintendo to Breakout - but they by no means had any loyalty to remain with Nintendo. Once they saw the Play Station 2 they jumped on that ship. And when the 360 showed its strength they announced an FF game for that.

And Nintendo, being Nintendo, went on with different projects like the DS, and the Wii. They are now on far opposite sides of the gaming spectrum (Casual vs Hardcore) and I don't see them working together again for a long time.

Re:Come ON Nintendo, Square (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847026)

And Nintendo, being Nintendo, went on with different projects like the DS, and the Wii. They are now on far opposite sides of the gaming spectrum (Casual vs Hardcore) and I don't see them working together again for a long time.

I know! Heck if they'd have kept up the relationship we might have even gotten Final Fatasy games for the Gamecube [wikipedia.org] or maybe even the Wii [wikipedia.org] !

MAYBE even a few games for the DS [ebgames.com] . But no, Square had to abandon working with Nintendo ;).

Re:Come ON Nintendo, Square (1)

ifrag (984323) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847556)

I know! Heck if they'd have kept up the relationship we might have even gotten [Crystal Chronicles] games for the Gamecube or maybe even the Wii

OK, technically yes there is a game that has the name "Final Fantasy" in the title, but those games hardly hold a candle compared to a real numbered title. The last Final Fantasy that most people care to acknowledge on Nintendo hardware would be VI. Even the newer Tactics seemed like toned down cheap imitation when compared to the original. Obviously Square/Enix does see some potential market on those systems, but not enough to put real effort into it. The expected low profits must be on par with the development budgets they assign.

Re:Come ON Nintendo, Square (1)

Mister Whirly (964219) | more than 4 years ago | (#30849642)

Isn't Square Enix releasing a new version of FF for the Wii? Crystal Chronicles or something? I thought I saw an ad on TV the other day.

Re:Come ON Nintendo, Square (1)

damien_kane (519267) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848258)

Once they saw the Play Station 2 they jumped on that ship. And when the 360 showed its strength they announced an FF game for that.

Not quite.
They jumped to the PS (PSone now) with FFVII, a game much loved by almost all who played it. PS2 FF games weren't until FFX.
They put FFXI Online on the 360 b/c Microsoft gave them a lot of money to do so. MS wanted to start getting quality, well-known JRPG games so that they could start selling more units in Japan. By then, though, all the Japanese were already playing either on PC or PS2.
FFXIII will be the first FF game SE ever put on 360 without first giving it to Sony. That probably cost MS a lot more money to make happen, too.

Re:Come ON Nintendo, Square (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30847342)

You do know there's a version on the Game Boy Advance? Search for Dawn of Souls and stop being a moron.

Re:Come ON Nintendo, Square (1)

Golddess (1361003) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848646)

Not that I disagree with you, but only the DS and DS Lite can play GBA games. If OP has a DSi, they're SOL.

Re:Come ON Nintendo, Square (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30847696)

Tunnels of Doom and the Ultima series are what got me into the RPG scene (circa 1980 or so).

I have never played any game in the Final Fantasy series, are they any good? A lot of Nintendo-style RPG seem to lack depth to me. Too arcade-y.

Re:Come ON Nintendo, Square (1)

khellendros1984 (792761) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848892)

I'm playing through Crisis Core on PSP right now, and it's pretty arcadey....previously I've played FF1+2 (Japanese 2), FF5, and FF7. They're good solid RPGs. I think the only RPG I like more than FF7 would have to be Chrono Trigger.

Re:Come ON Nintendo, Square (1)

Nathrael (1251426) | more than 4 years ago | (#30849042)

Give Final Fantasy IV, V and VI on the SNES a try - they're well worth it (especially VI). The PSX titles...well, let's say they are a matter of taste (many people love them - except for 9, which sucks - but I found them lacking). Can't comment on the PS2/PS3 titles, never really got to play them.

Re:Come ON Nintendo, Square (3, Informative)

damien_kane (519267) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848194)

We'd like a way to play this game on a console with bloodlines to the original, without having to resort to emulators to do so.

FF I+II GBA Cart on a NDS or DS-Lite (just not the DSi where they took out the GBA slot)

Exclusive? (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30846810)

So how long till it makes its way to Droid - if ever at all? I don't mind exclusive deals, but it'd be nice if they wore off after a few months.

I personally never played any of the FF series, only because I hadn't heard of it until like 7 or 8 came out, and I thought I'd have a lot of backstory to catch up with (though people have reassured me that I really don't). So, if these become available at an affordable price on a device I already have - then I'd probably purchase.

Re:Exclusive? (2, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#30846864)

I don't mind exclusive deals, but it'd be nice if they wore off after a few months.

All exclusive deals wear off no later than 1,151 months.

I personally never played any of the FF series, only because I hadn't heard of it until like 7 or 8 came out, and I thought I'd have a lot of backstory to catch up with (though people have reassured me that I really don't).

Final Fantasy is a brand, not a series. With a few exceptions (e.g. Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X-2), each game has nothing to do with the last except being a role-playing video game made by Square.

Re:Exclusive? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30846894)

each game has nothing to do with the last except being a role-playing video game made by Square.

This is one of the big draws to the series...no prior experience with any of the games is necssary. In my own personal opinion, you are wasting your time if you play anything past VI (although X was decent...certainly the only post-VI Final Fantasy game I would recommend).

For me, the series really jumped the shark when it went 3D. Not using sprites anymore really took some of the magic away.

Re:Exclusive? (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847120)

It wasn't jumping the shark going 3d... It was necessary... If you are still using sprites your game will look old and out of date. Even when they went 3D the games were still based on the old method.

Re:Exclusive? (4, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847414)

I point you in the direction of Muramasa: The Demon Blade [wikipedia.org] , which was released just a few months ago, uses sprites for all in-game characters/enemies, and is quite a beautiful game. Here are a couple screenshots:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NXLKQR2FNpY/SwitorQly1I/AAAAAAAAAGs/unJ2YjKwJ3M/s1600/muramasathedemonblade-3.jpg [blogspot.com]
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2009/06/custom_1244093929468_Muramasa2.jpg [gawker.com]

It looks even better in motion, I highly recommend you look up some videos of the game in action. Using sprites [wikipedia.org] doesn't necessarily mean it will look pixelated, it just means it isn't a fully rendered character. Considering the quality of 3D back in the PS1 days, it was a mistake to move the series to 3D then. I know that it would have eventually happened, I'm just questioning the timing of the move.

Re:Exclusive? (2, Insightful)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848100)

Considering the quality of 3D back in the PS1 days, it was a mistake to move the series to 3D then. I know that it would have eventually happened, I'm just questioning the timing of the move.

Yeah I can see your point there. Games like Castlevania SotN showed what a 2D powerhouse the Playstation was, and a 2D FFVII would have been beautiful. Though some things like the change of perspective to look down the field of battle as Leviathan's gigantic tidal wave towering over the enemies that a moment ago towered over you were pretty awesome and hard to recreate in 2D. On the other hand, that was what introduced the strategic tradeoff between the damage a Summons would do to the enemy vs the time wasted watching the unskippable summon animation for the 1000th time.

I agree VI was the best in the series, but I don't think VII "jumped the shark". It was a good game. Even if they did go to 3D perhaps prematurely.

Re:Exclusive? (2, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848224)

The reason I pinpoint the series jumping the shark with VII is because that was when the games went from having complicated, mature, fully believable characters to whining brats. Placing the emphasis on technology while fantasy was placed in the backseat didn't help either.

I suppose I should clarify...for me, the series jumped the shark and has just never been the same since it went 3D. The series going 3D isn't necessarily the cause of it (although it is a contributing factor), they both just happened to occur at the same time.

Re:Exclusive? (2)

khellendros1984 (792761) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848996)

I like the idea of technological levels in a game being different from the levels of fantasy. What I mean is that I don't think a fantasy game is required to be set in a medieval time. I always felt like the higher technology worked nicely in 7; the core of the series is still about life-force, magic, etc, it just has a different flavor with the addition of technological elements.

Re:Exclusive? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30849074)

Oh I completely agree (no game did this better than Arcanum [wikipedia.org] , in my opinion)...I just didn't like that the focus of the series shifted from fantasy with technology sprinkled in to technology with fantasy sprinkled in...it's not that it's bad, I just think the idea of fantasy with technology sprinkled in is much more interesting than vice versa.

I have no problem with the game taking place further in the future, it's just that the focus seems to be on the fact that the game takes place in the future, rather than the fantasy aspect of the story. Or, to put it in my own words after the first few hours with Final Fantasy VII: "Yes, I know this story takes place in the future. Stop shoving it down my throat."

Re:Exclusive? (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 4 years ago | (#30849476)

I always thought Cecil was a pretty whiny bastard, and that's not to mention the spoony bard. :)

Technology (and angst) played a big role in VI too.

But yeah, there were definitely thematic changes in VII and I can understand being put off by them.

Re:Exclusive? (2, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30849634)

I always thought Cecil was a pretty whiny bastard, and that's not to mention the spoony bard. :)

True, but that was the whole point of their characters. When the entire cast is like that though...

Technology (and angst) played a big role in VI too.

They certainly did, but the tone of the story focused on the fantasy elements. An example: technology was used on the Espers to exploit their abilities for Magitek, also a technology. The focus, however, was placed on the fact that the Espers were used, rather than why they were used and the results from it. An entire segment of the game takes place in a giant Magitek factory, yet we learn very little about the actual process or the potential technology that can be built from it. However, considerable time was spent on establishing an emotional connection to the atrocities committed against these creatures, and why what was happening was such a horrible thing.

Even the MagitekArmor was like this...we knew, based on the name, that they had to be created using the life force of the espers...but that's it. Were it not for the name, they could just be any other mech. The focus wasn't on the fact that they were mechs, but the fact that they were powered by the essence of an Esper.

This is the sort of focus on fantasy that I mean, rather than focusing on technology.

But yeah, there were definitely thematic changes in VII and I can understand being put off by them.

It's not just VII...I have tried and really wanted to enjoy all of the numbered entries in the series from VII on, but with the exception of X, I just couldn't. Even with X, I was only marginally kept interested. It's kind of frustrating, since the first 6 entries are some of my favorite games of all time. It's frustrating and a little disappointing seeing all these people so enamoured with the latter half of the series, while I can't stand it. i really want to...I just can't :-/

Re:Exclusive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30850264)

Are you shitting me? First of all, FF7 was basically 2D backgrounds with 3D characters. Second, nobody would have liked a 2D FF7 considering that that generation of system was the first generation of affordable consoles to be 3D capable at all. 3D was shiny and new, and if you weren't 3D, you weren't interesting. Now 3D is old hat. Playability is where it's at. That and MMPMMORPGMOPRMRAOGS. Yuck!

Re:Exclusive? (1)

b4k3d b34nz (900066) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848274)

Ok, I don't know where the rest of you guys are coming in, but everyone I know was in awe with how good the graphics for FFVII were at the time. I mean come on, this was 1997, 13 years ago. Of course going back we notice that they have bricks for hands and feet, but that was the first game I remember that had FMV and multiple camera angles during summons.

I enjoyed FFVII and FFX. FFX-2 was too girly and FFXII had a boring plot, although a cool world.

Re:Exclusive? (2, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848426)

Ok, I don't know where the rest of you guys are coming in, but everyone I know was in awe with how good the graphics for FFVII were at the time. I mean come on, this was 1997, 13 years ago.

Feh...maybe console-only gamers were in awe. It didn't really do that much for me or other pc & console gamers. Yes, it was 1997, but also remember the visual difference between console gaming and PC gaming was WAAAAAY bigger than it is now. (For reference, I'm 26 and started playing games on a Commodore 64 when i was four years old.)

but that was the first game I remember that had FMV and multiple camera angles during summons.

If you mean FMV in a Final Fantasy game, then ignore this last part of my post....

Final Fantasy VII was the first game you noticed that had FMV?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Jedi_Knight:_Dark_Forces_II [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantasmagoria_(video_game) [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_Commander_(video_game) [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_and_conquer [wikipedia.org]

Just to name a few. There is also the HUGE number of Sega CD games [wikipedia.org] that had FMV.

Re:Exclusive? (1)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 4 years ago | (#30846902)

People assure you that there's not backstory to catch up on because the games are entirely unrelated from each other. Except for FFX-2 and FFXII Revenant Wings, the main series has no direct sequels.

Square is starting to go back to the world of Ivalice more, but FFXII is the only main series game that takes place there.

Re:Exclusive? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30846966)

Just wanted to say I love the concept of your site. Good stuff.

NESoid (3, Interesting)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847230)

"So how long till it makes its way to Droid - if ever at all?"

I assume you mean aside from playing it through NESoid? [nesoid.com] I'm currently in the middle of a game of Nobunaga's Ambition on my Nexus One. (I might have started up a game of FF1 instead, except i was already playing that on the Wii Virtual Console =) Even if you want to be entirely ethical (since you apparently don't already have an old copy lying around) i personally wouldn't feel any qualms about buying a copy for some other system (even an old used copy) and then d/ling the rom.

"I personally never played any of the FF series, only because I hadn't heard of it until like 7 or 8 came out, and I thought I'd have a lot of backstory to catch up with (though people have reassured me that I really don't)."

I wouldn't suggest playing FF1 for the first time now unless you're already very familiar with how clunky those old NES games could get. FF1, along with Dragon Quest 1, were both exploring how to do RPGs on the console format, and there's a lot of UI issues that got resolved in later versions. (In particular, having to buy each item one at a time, no descriptions for any items, no way to view stats without equipping an item and switching to the status screen.) And even aside from the difficulties the UI imposes it's probably the most challenging game in the FF series. (It's hard to say if the fact that attacks targeted on enemies that die before that character's turn don't get re-targeted to another enemy is a UI bug or just an unneeded increase to the difficulty, but in either case they got rid of it in later games.)

I still think it's a great game despite all that, but i admit that i come pre-equipped with a pair of rose-tinted glasses which you would be lacking :)

Re:NESoid (1)

Deosyne (92713) | more than 4 years ago | (#30849236)

Yeah, NESoid and SNESoid are awesome, but I wouldn't mind if they released these updated versions to run natively in Android as well.

Re:Exclusive? (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | more than 4 years ago | (#30849844)

Get in line. People are still waiting for it to get to a PC...

Re:Exclusive? (0, Troll)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 4 years ago | (#30850060)

"So how long till it makes its way to Droid - if ever at all? I don't mind exclusive deals, but it'd be nice if they wore off after a few months."

Exclusive deals? Where in the article did it say they signed an exclusive contract with Apple?

The reason you won't find this on the Droid now or ever is number of devices and number of people paying for software. As of Dec 2009 the iPhone has had 78 million sales [cnn.com] , and this number does not include millions of iPod Touch out there. Compare that to 800,000 Droids sold [electronista.com] and it's obvious why it's unlikely any company would put any effort into developing software for Droids, it's a 100-to-1 ratio, 1%.

Would you make a program for 1% of the platforms, or 99%?

And that's why Droid has failed. Developers see $$$$ in iPhone and Touch, so they make the software, and the consumers see all the software on the iPhone so they buy iPhones.

It's a repeat of the 90s with Gameboy vs Sega Game Gear.

And let's not forget hardware failures like the Droid only having 256mb for apps [downloadsquad.com] . 1999 called, they want their storage size back. iPhone started with a minium of 4gb, and the latest 3GS is only offered in 16 or 32gb varieties, which is needed when games like The Settlers [pocketgamer.co.uk] want 300+ mb.

I'm sorry I didn't mean to turn this into a anti-Droid rant, but when you see everyone and their 1 yr old baby with an iPhone [youtube.com] and you stubbornly turn around and buy the opposite, don't be surprised when the developers create software for the phone that everyone and their baby bought.

Looks better? (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#30846834)

Higher res and more colors doesn't always mean better. I'd still rather play the NES original on an emulator.

Re:Looks better? (1)

Conchobair (1648793) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847264)

They have been releasing the gmaes with better graphics since the WonderSwan version came out (December 9, 2000).

Re:Looks better? (3, Interesting)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847284)

It doesn't always mean better when graphics are a substitute for gameplay, but the exact same FF gameplay with updated graphics? Yes that's better! It's not like the original developers went with a 16-color palette and pixelated graphics as a stylistic choice. They made it as pretty as they could, and did a good job, but would they rather have had SNES graphics capabilities or more? Do the screenshots look like what they would have gone for, had they been able? Yes and yes.

Other games that were better after a graphical update include Kings Quest I and Heroes Quest (I mean Quest for Glory) when they were updated for VGA from EGA. Super Mario Brothers was improved by its release as part of Super Mario All Stars. Quake was vastly improved by the switch to OpenGL (oh god and how!), and today open-source mods improve it further just by adding shader effects. Star Control II is improved in its Ur Quan Masters form by the simple expedient of anti-aliasing the rotated sprites.

In summary: Same game play, with better graphics that are in the same spirit as the original? Yes please!

Re:Looks better? (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848212)

I dunno. There's something classic about the NES look. Maybe it's just nostalgia. I was never a big fan of the VGA re-releases Sierra did either, but that's just because I like the parser. But there's something to be said about inspiration coming from limitations. Would Mario look the same if Miyamoto had a full 640x480 to work with? I don't think so. In this case here, I think the original FF1 characters have a lot more, um, character than the rather generic art of the remake.

Re:Looks better? (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848526)

I dunno. There's something classic about the NES look. Maybe it's just nostalgia.

Probably.

I was never a big fan of the VGA re-releases Sierra did either, but that's just because I like the parser.

Yeah that's true I didn't like the icon based interface myself. I forgot the remakes switched to it.

But there's something to be said about inspiration coming from limitations. Would Mario look the same if Miyamoto had a full 640x480 to work with?

Technically no, since Mario was given a moustache because they couldn't give him a recognizable mouth.

But the question is does that mean he'd look worse? I doubt it. If Mario-without-moustache is unappealing, then that probably is just nostalgia cus if he'd originally not had one, it'd be Mario-with-facial-hair that would sound weird.

In this case here, I think the original FF1 characters have a lot more, um, character than the rather generic art of the remake.

They're "generic" because it's the same art style that was adopted in FFIV through VI that we're all familiar with, which is really pretty much the same style they were going for in FFI, only with less capability to actually implement it.

I mean you're saying the original [wikimedia.org] characters don't look "generic" compared to the new ones? [fbcdn.net]

Frankly to me the characters look exactly like the original art, just higher res and anti-aliased. Black mage looks like Black Mage, only the FFI version was put through a "make highly pixelated and lose all detail" filter.

Lich looks like what I always wished Lich looked like, rather than a skeleton emerging from some cloud of pink goo? That's I guess is supposed to be robes?

Re:Looks better? (2, Interesting)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847920)

I believe the GBA version of FFI also had 4 new lengthy bonus dungeons. I assume this content might also go into the iPhone versions.

Square has also done updated cut-scenes for many of their remakes.

Re:Looks better? (2, Interesting)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848368)

The remakes are also MUCH easier than the original. Some of them even go so far as to get rid of the x # of magic points per level and go with the now-standard "each spell costs x mp" system. Some also modify combat so that if you assign your character to attack an enemy that is now dead they will attack another enemy instead of just attacking the air. They also toned down the difficulty level in general, I played a few of the remakes and I don't think I can recall getting a game over once. For starters, 9 ghouls/ghasts/whatevers can no longer take down a healthy party if they surprise you, they seemed to have lowered the probability of getting paralyzed significantly.... I beat the original once and have never even attempted to do so again, even beating it once was just plain luck(managed to have a thief run away from the zombie dragon with 10 hp, Chaos never cast cure4 etc)... you have to be pretty hardcore to replay it without save states or game genie.

Re:Looks better? (1)

jandrese (485) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848778)

Did you play the original in the Japanese? Apparently the US version was toned down a bit from the Japanese version because apparently Americans prefer their games to be fun. I played through 1 a few years ago and it was tough, but if you did a bit of grinding in the north before diving into the dungeon it wasn't too terrible. OTOH, I wouldn't mind if they updated it so the racial traits on the weapons actually worked.

Re:Looks better? (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848874)

No I played the North American version, the difficulty of the game was pretty random. If you got unlucky even a fully leveled up group can go down to a group of 9 undead as you get to just sit there and watch as your 500+ hp fighters go down. But yeah, I do wish they would update the original so that the racial traits of the weapons would actually work. That would make leveling up vs. giants in the earth fiends lair infinitely easier.

Question for anyone with an iPod Touch (2, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30846866)

These seems like as good a time as any to ask...is the iPod Touch worth buying just for games available on the platform? It seems like there are a ton of cool games out there for it, but I don't really want to plunk down the cash if it isn't worth it from a gaming point of view...

Opinions?

Re:Question for anyone with an iPod Touch (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30847092)

No. Very few iPhone games are any good -- some puzzlers are OK, Galcon is addicting, but apart from that almost none of the action games are worth playing at all. The touchscreen UI is awful for gaming, as is the motion sensing stuff.

I have a jailbroken device with the codesigning disabled, and I know how to use Google, so I've played almost everything worth trying. Most of it is crap.

Big name EA type games are almost all universally terrible, with bad load times, OK graphics, and untested gameplay. Some of the indie games are decent, but not worth plunking down hundreds of dollars for hardware on.

Just get a DS and an R4.

Re:Question for anyone with an iPod Touch (1)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847558)

No. Very few iPhone games are any good -- some puzzlers are OK, Galcon is addicting, but apart from that almost none of the action games are worth playing at all. The touchscreen UI is awful for gaming, as is the motion sensing stuff.

I have a jailbroken device with the codesigning disabled, and I know how to use Google, so I've played almost everything worth trying. Most of it is crap.

Big name EA type games are almost all universally terrible, with bad load times, OK graphics, and untested gameplay. Some of the indie games are decent, but not worth plunking down hundreds of dollars for hardware on.

Just get a DS and an R4.

I completely agree. Galcon is the best thing I've seen in my Touch, and it's a 30 second timewaster game. There are probably about a dozen decent to good games on the iPhone/Touch, but none of them are worth buying the hardware. If you want it for the phone features, or as an mp3 player, then the games are a nice bonus. There's nothing particularly special here, though.

Re:Question for anyone with an iPod Touch (1)

khellendros1984 (792761) | more than 4 years ago | (#30849190)

If you want it for the phone features, or as an mp3 player, then the games are a nice bonus. There's nothing particularly special here, though.

Agreed. I mostly use mine as a PDA. Web browser, portable video, music player, and Japanese dictionary. I'll play bejeweled or some other puzzle game if I get bored, but mostly, the games really aren't worth it.

Re:Question for anyone with an iPod Touch (1)

classic773 (683088) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847232)

I don't use it for much gaming, other than occasional time wasting (in flight, waiting for an appointment), but even then not so much. I use it mostly for browsing from the living room, email, and a media player while traveling. I also find it handy for when I want to check email or a webpage while gaming on the PC (especially games that don't alt-tab well)

Re:Question for anyone with an iPod Touch (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30847310)

In my personal opinion, it is. The iPhone/iPod almost takes me back to the days of the C64 and coders making games in their garages. Alot of it is crap but there are some real innovative gems and you can spend hours and hours just trying different games from the app-store. And it's all cheap aswell.

And now we also have GTA: Chinatown Wars, Final Fantasy 1 & 2, Mirror's Edge, Assassins Creed II, Settlers, Simon the Sorceror 1 & 2, Monkey Island Remake, Beneath a Steel Sky... some high quality games from well known developers.

Re:Question for anyone with an iPod Touch (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847476)

Thanks to everyone who answered...I already have a Game Gear, GBA, DS, and a PSP, was just curious if the Touch was worth adding to the portable gaming collection. Sounds like it isn't.

Thanks again, all!

Re:Question for anyone with an iPod Touch (1)

igadget78 (1698420) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848028)

These seems like as good a time as any to ask...is the iPod Touch worth buying just for games available on the platform? It seems like there are a ton of cool games out there for it, but I don't really want to plunk down the cash if it isn't worth it from a gaming point of view...

Opinions?

It's a great buy if you win one in a contest like me.

I would love to actually write games for it but don't want to go buy a Mac. Still working on getting my VM OS X image up and running.

Re:Question for anyone with an iPod Touch (2, Interesting)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848714)

is the iPod Touch worth buying just for games available on the platform?

I wouldn't say it's worth buying as a gaming platform alone, but it is definitely an added incentive. In my opinion, an iPod Touch is worth buying since it's a music player, web browser, email client, address book, calendar, calculator, note pad, photo album AND you can play lots of cool games. I've sold my DS since I got my iPod touch, because several of the games I owned on the DS are available on the iPod Touch for a fraction of the price. For instance, there's Civilization Revolution [tr.im] for $6.99 or Puzzle Quest [tr.im] for $4.99 (Warning: Links launch iTunes). Both of these are a fraction of the cost of the DS versions, and the graphics are as good, if not better, and the game play is about the same, though you don't get multi-player with Civ Rev or the game of the week. I also like not having to carry around game cards, so that's an added bonus.

Gonna have to get an IPhone (1)

Hawkeye477 (163893) | more than 4 years ago | (#30846890)

After all these years I still think the original Final Fantasy is still my favorite video game of all time. Two Fighters, a Black Mage and a White Mage.

Re:Gonna have to get an IPhone (0, Troll)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30846930)

Just took a quick peek at your website. Dude! SO awesome! I don't have time to go in-depth at the moment, but I am definitely going to spend some time on there this evening. Kudos for keeping the late-90's style layout, I tried doing it on my site for a while but it just wasn't working for my requirements.

Re:Gonna have to get an IPhone (1)

funwithBSD (245349) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847388)

Who is Anerd and why are you living with them?

You some sort of pervert?!

=)

Re:Gonna have to get an IPhone (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847542)

The name of the site is a reference to us both...myself and my lady friend, aka the future Mrs. Lady Friend :-)

Re:Gonna have to get an IPhone (2, Informative)

compro01 (777531) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847088)

I prefer to replace one of the fighters with a blackbelt. Not as powerful at the low levels, but he gets some incredible damage later in the game.

Re:Gonna have to get an IPhone (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847986)

Plus they're *way* cheaper to outfit.

Plus Fighters turn into Warriors. Black Belts turn into Ninjas. Aw yeah.

Re:Gonna have to get an IPhone (1)

Vector7 (2410) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848038)

No, Black Belts turn into Masters. Thieves turn into Ninjas.

Re:Gonna have to get an IPhone (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848142)

Oh right, dang.

Re:Gonna have to get an IPhone (1)

rcuhljr (1132713) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848456)

Surely I'm not the only one wielding the 4 monk party of doom? I mean sure the first 10-15 levels are the most painful thing I've ever done; Once you get healing items and start getting 2+ attacks your party becomes a lawnmower of death.

Re:Gonna have to get an IPhone (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30849808)

I was always partial to three black mages and one white mage.

It's tough at first, but holy crap...later on in the game? Whoa.

Epidemic (2, Funny)

drummerboybac (1003077) | more than 4 years ago | (#30846998)

This will surely cause an epidemic of people's legs falling asleep as they have a much more in depth game to play on the toilet at work.

Matt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30847210)

Who cares I have it on my palm pre using Visual boy

Great, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30847240)

haven't we seen final fantasy 1/2 on pretty much every platform ever? I'm fine with remakes in general, but I think that Square is milking FF1 for what is by current standards, a pretty bad game.

Don't get me wrong though. I'd love to see other nes era games up on the iPhone.

Am I the only one that saves their games? (2, Interesting)

novakom (1667041) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847282)

Now look, I understand that Square Enix republishing games for new platforms is both financially savvy and also a boon for those of us that may have lost our old games, but really? FF1 has been published for no less than 3 platforms already (NES, GBA, PS-nevermind emulators), and I still have copies 2 of them (NES and GBA, though to be fair the GBA version was to get the first official US version of FF2).

I have nothing against exploiting existing intellectual property if it'll make you money, especially when it'll make people happy, but you'd think-at least on a place like slashdot-that there would be a significant percentage of people that boxes up their old games the same way "normal" people box up old pictures and such (like me). If you do that, and you have the urge, then you don't have to pay for the new version. Of course, then you have cases like Chrono Trigger for the DS which has a new ending; of course you have to give in then. (That said, I still have my original SNES CT cartridge in my closet.)

Re:Am I the only one that saves their games? (2, Interesting)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847488)

I still have the NES cartridge and a working NES (though without fixing the connector issue by one of various means it's a pain in the ass to use and thus it sits collecting dust). Not everyone who played FF on the NES can say that. I don't have a GBA or a PS, and the later is probably less likely to still work than most people's NES (the curse of optical drives).

Then again I don't have an iPhone either.

But if I did, would I be more likely to play FF on it than to bust out the NES? Yeah. Would I pay for some version of FF that was portable, were I to have a portable gaming device? Yeah. So... it makes sense to me at least, even if there are a lot of people who don't need it.

Re:Am I the only one that saves their games? (2, Funny)

WilyCoder (736280) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847642)

I feel sorry for you, lugging that NES around on mass transit. I bet you piss off your fellow passengers with that generator as well.

Re:Am I the only one that saves their games? (1)

drummerboybac (1003077) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848016)

Its actually on both PSP and PS1, as well as on the Wii virtual console so make that 4 or 5 platforms before the iphone, depending on how you view the virtual console.

I've had them on my Droid for months! (1)

2obvious4u (871996) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847426)

Boy Apple is behind the times. I've had them on my Droid for months.

Re:I've had them on my Droid for months! (1)

YouWantFriesWithThat (1123591) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848728)

what emulator are you using? i have a Droid, but have not gotten around to researching them yet...

After the Final Fantasy Games on the DS and Wii... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30847860)

After playing the Final Fantasy Games on the DS and Wii and after replaying the originals in emulation, I've found that even though I have pleasant memories of those games from my childhood, everything in that franchise before FFVII -- with the notable exception of Final Fantasy Tactics -- is very very VERY (and did I say "very") boring and usually annoying.

So, this time, I think I'll just pass.

(Please don't kill me for saying that.)

Re:After the Final Fantasy Games on the DS and Wii (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848120)

I'm going to chaulk this up to either your age or your preference for a greater emphasis on technology over fantasy.

I don't think I've ever heard the earlier Final Fantasies (ESPECIALLY Final Fantasy VI) described as "boring and annoying".

Re:After the Final Fantasy Games on the DS and Wii (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30849832)

You must not get out much.

Re:After the Final Fantasy Games on the DS and Wii (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 4 years ago | (#30849982)

I replayed FF in college, and while it's still a fun game, there definitely are a lot of old RPG characteristics that would qualify as "boring and annoying". The amount of walking in circles fighting random encounters for exp and gold is way beyond what it is in later games in the series. There's only a couple times in IV or VI that I ever (felt I) needed to "grind". That's most of the game in FFI, just like it is in most computer RPGs of that era*. Then there's the annoying interface. Need 99 health potions for the final dungeon? Have fun buying them all one at a time! And then again!

Most of the annoyance was gone by the time of the SNES games, which were much more polished and match later games much more closely. My guess would be they never played VI.

I think you are the only one who cares about the tech vs magic balance so much. ;) Both were present to varying degrees in all the games.

* Now recreated in MMOs. Ah, progress!

This is not a repeat of ... (3, Informative)

LSU_ADT_Geek (580524) | more than 4 years ago | (#30847880)

  • 1987 - Final Fantasy 1 (NES)
  • 1988 - Final Fantasy 2 (NES)
  • 1989 - Final Fantasy 1 (MSX2)
  • 2000 - Final Fantasy 1 (WSC)
  • 2001 - Final Fantasy 2 (WSC)
  • 2004 - Final Fantasy 1 + 2 (GBA)
  • 2007 - Final Fantasy 1 (PSP)
  • 2007 - Final Fantasy 2 (PSP)

The sad part is that I have been alive for all of these and have purchased over 50% of them!

Source: Final Fantasy Release Info [ffcompendium.com]

Re:This is not a repeat of ... (1)

jameskojiro (705701) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848628)

The GBA version is the best in my opinion!

Re:This is not a repeat of ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30848794)

Actually, the WonderSwan Color version was better... better sound and a better screen (at least on the WonderSwan Crystal).

Re:This is not a repeat of ... (1)

jameskojiro (705701) | more than 4 years ago | (#30849232)

Wonder What??? Swan What???

Re:This is not a repeat of ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30848816)

You forgot the Wii Virtual Console (2009) for FF1

Re:This is not a repeat of ... (1)

bziman (223162) | more than 4 years ago | (#30849762)

How is that sad? When someone says Final Fantasy, I can only assume they mean the original NES version from 1987, which I bought then, and still play now. I'm afraid I never upgraded to any of these newer fancy-pants systems. I miss the class NES games, and I wish they'd make new games with new stories with the original engine and style of game play. Newer games are too busy and their graphics just give me a headache.

Re:This is not a repeat of ... (2, Informative)

aaaantoine (1540357) | more than 4 years ago | (#30849966)

You missed "Final Fantasy Origins", released on the PlayStation in 2003.

Just what I needed! (1)

Lookin4Trouble (1112649) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848180)

Yet another port of a game I've already purchased 3 times! And for a system I don't own/can't afford! And the greatest foreseeable benefit? Now I can fat-finger my way to accidentally using my last megalixir instead of the Hi-Potion 2 items up in the item list! The joy!

that said, I'll probably still end up buying this version, too :(

Woohoo! (1)

garg0yle (208225) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848370)

We can party like it's 1987! Everyone get out their pastel clothes!

Too late (1)

dandart (1274360) | more than 4 years ago | (#30848750)

Ermm, FF 1&2 have been available for iPhone for ages. Through NES, SNES, GBA, etc emulators.
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