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Russian Whistleblower Cop Arrested

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the predicted-it-himself dept.

The Internet 199

Remember the Russian cop's YouTube narrative on police corruption? Reader Max_W writes with the news that Alexei Dymovsky, the cop whose videos started a movement, was arrested (Google translation; Russian original) on January 22, 2010. He is in prison in the south of Russia. Max_W adds: "It seems only a president is allowed to have a video blog in Russia."

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Not final (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873226)

According to Alexei in the indictment were not listed his specific criminal acts, but simply stated that he committed fraud. They say investigators have not found everything, because detailed charges will be filed Dymov later. In addition, it is not against the CCP [], was handed a resolution to bring an accused on the pretext that it is "secret" character.

So he is being held until final charges are issued? Sounds like something that would happen in every country.

Re:Not final (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873236)

To add to this, you need to pay big sums of money so you could bail out in US.

Re:Not final (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873296)

Your comments seem to not be final, too. Keep replying to yourself, it sounds really intelligent, I really love reading your comments. Heck, I would like to subscribe to your newsletter and follow your tweets.

I know English isn't your native language, so let me translate that for you... STFU!

MOD PARENT UP!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873732)

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Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873786)

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Re:Not final (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873334)

Give him a ham radio and send him to Haiti. He'll be safe over there, and he'll be able to communicate with friends and family worldwide.

"Say, Alexei, what's that noise in the background? Are you cooking stovetop popcorn? Alexei, are yo&*^(*&%($#^%$#&^%$? [NO CARRIER]

Re:Not final (2, Interesting)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873724)

You are misinformed. He would be released without paying a penny in the US. In fact they would not arrest him until they were ready to arraign him since he is a police officer, and then he would be released on his own recognizance [wikipedia.org] . Watch a few episodes of Law and Order some time. While it isn't wholly accurate, this part is certainly accurate.

In Springfield MA police officers who had been videotaped kicking a guy in the head were found not guilty. The judge ruled that they used "reasonable force" to subdue the subject.

So you are quite wrong on so many levels. This would definately not happen in the USA. Indeed, as I pointed out, we basically have the opposite problem here, where if you are a cop you can often quite literally get away with murder.

Re:Not final (2, Informative)

digitalunity (19107) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873826)

If you haven't seen it already, watch this video.

The Largest Street Gang In America [republicbroadcasting.org]

I came from Portland, OR, which is sadly featured repeatedly in this short movie. I really wish someone could do some sort of satellite hack and force the entire country to watch this video, just once in their lifetime.

People really need to open their eyes and reevaluate what level of force police should be allowed to use against non-compliant persons. The most tragic cases highlighted in that video are those where police were engaging citizens who had broke no law.

Re:Not final (1)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 4 years ago | (#30874244)

I know there's probably no point in talking to someone who thinks that "Republic Broadcasting Network" is a good source of news, but I gotta ask ... was there some point to that video?

Re:Not final (2, Funny)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 4 years ago | (#30874402)

Mostly, that if your SlashID is c6gunner or something similar you are probably part of the problem and don't think that there is one ;-)

Re:Not final (1)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 4 years ago | (#30874828)

Cute :) Seriously, though, you're not actually going to try and defend that crap, are you? Those "filmmakers" make Michael Moore look like a paragon of truth and honesty.

Oh, and btw, my "SlashID" is that bunch of numbers beside my username.

Re:Not final (1)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 4 years ago | (#30875094)

"Oh, and btw, my "SlashID" is that bunch of numbers beside my username."

Actually, Slashdot calls it a Nickname not a username (see the login page). The number next to it is your UID [slashdot.org] . Only a fascist would think that a number is a suitable way to ID someone ;-)

Re:Not final (1)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 4 years ago | (#30875250)

Actually, Slashdot calls it a Nickname not a username

Subscriptions [slashdot.org] :

Otherwise put your real name, username or anything else you deem appropriate. If you leave this field blank the message will default to containing your Slashdot username.

Feeds [slashdot.org] :

Where you see $username below, substitute the URI-encoded username of the user in question (such as Clifton+Wood).

Only a fascist would think that a number is a suitable way to ID someone ;-)

There's no place like 127.0.0.1

Re:Not final (1)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 4 years ago | (#30875146)

Cute :) Seriously, though, you're not actually going to try and defend that crap, are you? Those "filmmakers" make Michael Moore look like a paragon of truth and honesty.

Oh, and btw, my "SlashID" is that bunch of numbers beside my username.

Have you been drinking today?

Re:Not final (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873870)

It seems in Russia, cops are involved in murder-for-hire too,

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1022756/russian-police-kill-online
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/06/world/europe/06chechnya.html?_r=1
http://cpj.org/2007/01/chechnya-police-may-be-behind-politkovskaya-murder.php

etc. etc. etc. etc. Google search for "Russia police murder" seems to yield as many cases of murder investigations as number of times police murdering people.

As to the "kicking a guy in the head", it depends who the person arrested is and what he is doing. Hell, if you read enough of this shit you'd come to conclusion that the guy is lucky that he is alive.

What needs to end is this shit with cops protecting cops. It is total bullshit and corruption. Police is here to SERVE AND PROTECT, and that does not mean themselves. If serve and protect, they are heros. As soon as they turn a blind eye to their college or "friend" doing something illegal, or worse, covering up, they are traitors to the very oath they took to SERVER AND PROTECT.

I must say vast majority of the police force in US and Canada and other western nations are the heros. But the hooligans are ruining it for them, their image and the rest of us. And I do not mean the ones from without.

The youtube cop is A HERO! A Russian HERO. Russians need to rally around this guy and not let his voice fall on deaf ears. The world needs more of these heros to change the cesspool that exists in places.

Re:Not final (2, Informative)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873246)

USA has a law where citizens can only be detained for 24 hours without charges.

This can be useful in detaining people highly suspect of a crime, or in TV shows in increasing drama.

Re:Not final (4, Informative)

turgid (580780) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873318)

The UK has a law where citizens (usually brown ones with beards) can be detained for a month and a half without charge, usually in HMP Belmarsh.

Re:Not final (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873350)

He is being charged. Actually it looks to be exactly the same case, just that it's 10 days instead of 24 hours.

The need to charge Dymov due to the fact that, for him, was elected as a preventive measure under house arrest, and prosecution must be charged within 10 days from the date of the application of preventive measures.

Re:Not final (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873830)

Actually it looks to be exactly the same case, just that it's 10 days instead of 24 hours.

So... it's exactly the same, but different.

Re:Not final (5, Informative)

MarkvW (1037596) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873364)

Bullshit. Mod parent way down. Parent is full of it.

The US Constitution permits people to be held on a probable cause determination made by a policeman for up to 48 (forty-eight) hours. After 48 hours there must be judicial review of probable cause or the defendant must be released from custody. That's the Riverside case.

A related provision requires the detained person to be charged within 72 hours of probable cause detention or released. That's the Gerstein case.

The U.S. Constitution sets a minimum standard. States can set standards that are MORE protective of individual rights than the U.S. Constitution, but they cannot go below the constitutional standard.

Re:Not final (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873426)

Unless of course you're called a Terrorist. Then it's off to Gitmo with your ass, regardless of any facts or lack thereof!

Re:Not final (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30875182)

Unless of course you're called a Terrorist. Then it's off to Gitmo with your ass, regardless of any facts or lack thereof!

Wrong. It's called "enemy combatant". The patriot act was never *that* specific about those to whom it apply, else most people might not have cared so much about its unconstitutionality.

Re:Not final (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873638)

The US Constitution doesn't say anything about an absolute minimum time before being charged. Feel free to look it up, it is not in there. Court cases and Congress have determined the minimum time, but all the US Constitution has to say is that you have the right to a speedy trial (6th Amendment), that Congress can't suspend habeas corpus except during a rebellion (Art I, Sect 9), and that your rights can't be suspended without due process (14th Amendment). How long a person can be detained before being charged depends entirely on how these provisions are interpreted.

Re:Not final (0, Redundant)

skine (1524819) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873716)

Sorry, meant underrated and hit overrated.

Please mod me down.

Re:Not final (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873654)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/23/2799553.htm [abc.net.au]

Two unnamed US officials say 47 Guantanamo Bay detainees will be held in prison indefinitely, without charge.

They are reportedly too dangerous to be released, but cannot be tried either because the evidence against them is too flimsy or was extracted by coercion.

The outcome will dismay civil liberties groups who hoped US President Barack Obama would end the practice of detention without trial.

"The reality is that although they're talking about holding these 47 prisoners without charge or trial, the sad reality is they've been held for eight years without charge or trial," he said.

"So it's not as if they're going to be entering into any new arena, there's no new discussion or dialogue. The whole talk about the change has come to America was simply a lie."

The Presidential taskforce has recommended 35 of the 196 detainees left at Guantanamo Bay face prosecution.

"The Law" doesn't always follow the Law (1)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873804)

"The U.S. Constitution sets a minimum standard. States can set standards that are MORE protective of individual rights than the U.S. Constitution, but they cannot go below the constitutional standard."

In Palm Beach Florida County Florida they hold people up to 33 days without filing charges . They claim that they do not have to follow Fedral Law because they are a Commonwealth. They also claim that you don't have Miranda Rights, nor do you have a right to have an attorney appointed while in jail for those 33 days since no charges have been filed. So while you are technically correct, different states and counties handle things differently. We live in a much more Fascist society than most people realize.

(And don't tell me this isn't true, or this was some rare and bizzare exception. I actually had this done to me when they illegally extended Marshall Law after a Hurricane a few years ago, and every person from Florida in the jail went to great lengths telling me that this is perfectly acceptable, and just how Florida does things.)

Re:"The Law" doesn't always follow the Law (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30874010)

I was almost ready to believe you until you said "Marshall Law". If you don't even know what Martial Law is when talking about it, the rest of what you said is probably bullshit too. Of course, Martial Law is basically military rule and replaces (temporarily) civil rule. This would mean your courts and jails were being run by the military. Strange how your story is that this is "just how it is" in Florida and the military rules just happened to exactly line up with your made up Florida rules.

I accept your apology (1)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 4 years ago | (#30874394)

I accept your apology: [hurricaneville.com]

Curfews were ordered in sixteen Florida counties including a 24 hour curfew in the barrier islands of Palm Beach and Singer Island. In addition, close to eight thousand National Guard troops were called in to maintain order. Some of the smaller airports including one in Tallahassee, the state capital, were closed. In addition, all of the popular theme parks were closed for up to two days, which resulted in a loss of $41 million dollars. A number of roads in Palm Beach County were simply unusable as they were submerged in up to four feet of water.

And again, it was an illegal Martial Law. Yes, I spelled it wrong. I also thought Hurricane Frances was spelled as Francis. Do you really expect a common criminal to be able to spell! ;-)

Re:I accept your apology (2, Insightful)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 4 years ago | (#30874936)

You accept his apology ... for correctly pointing out that you're full of shit?

NOTHING on that page backs up the claims you've made. It doesn't speak about the right to detain suspects in Florida. It doesn't say anything about the "commonwealth". It says nothing about Miranda rights. And, lastly, it doesn't say a fucking thing about martial law.

If anything it shows that you're just making it up as you go along, since the measures mentioned in the article are much laxer than anything you spoke of, and none of it agrees with what you were claiming earlier. Either provide some evidence to back up your assertions, or be a man and admit that you're full of shit.

As an interesting side-note, although I know little about Hurricane Frances, I do know that Martial Law was NOT declared in Florida, or anywhere else. The only people who claim that it happened are the far-right lunatics over at prison-planet. This is what happens when you get all your information from Alex Jones.

Re:I accept your apology (0, Flamebait)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 4 years ago | (#30874988)

"I do know that Martial Law was NOT declared in Florida, or anywhere else.

Hey moron. I was there. It was in the newspapers. The Palm Beach County Sheriff specifically claimed he had the right to pose a curfew under Martial Law statutes. It was in the newspaper, and he used those exact words. My whole point was that he had no such right, so claiming he didn't because he couldn't just amplifies what a moron you are. The article specifically states that curfews were imposed and that the national guard was called in. I was arrested illegally. Oh, yeah, and did I mention that you're a fscking moron?

Re:I accept your apology (1)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 4 years ago | (#30875052)

Hey moron.

Hi dumbass!

I was there.

Yay!

It was in the newspapers.

Then you should have no problem providing a link. I'm waiting with bated breath.

The article specifically states that curfews were imposed and that the national guard was called in.

Which doesn't require martial law. Try again?

Re:I accept your apology (0, Troll)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 4 years ago | (#30875132)

Then you should have no problem providing a link.

Right. Because I give a flying fuck if a fascist moron believes that what happened happened, and I try to convince people that continue to claim something didn't happen unless I provide a link after already providing a link and having that moron say "that doesn't count!"

I'm waiting with bated breath.

Your breath isn't bated enough, because you are also waiting with baited breath. I know. I can smell it from here.

Re:I accept your apology (1)

c6gunner (950153) | more than 4 years ago | (#30875214)

You've now had two individuals give a detailed explanation of the problems with your claims, and have been asked for sources three times. You've not only failed to account for the discrepancies in your assertions, but have flatly refused to provide any data and have, instead, fallen back on childish ad-hominem attacks. I know that these facts don't mean much to you, but to any person with an IQ over 90 they are a clear admission that you have no idea what you're talking about. So go ahead, kept sputtering and venting; just don't expect anyone to care.

Re:I accept your apology (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30875068)

Are you going to keep calling names, or are you going to actually source it?

Re:I accept your apology (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30875082)

Let's start a flame war! I'd offer to bring matches, but it looks like you two already have flamethrowers...

Re:Not final (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873386)

And if that pesky little law is inconvenient, you label them an "enemy combatant" and it no longer applies! Great huh?

Re:Not final (1)

hellop2 (1271166) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873808)

Really? Can you cite this US law? I would like to know. Because in some states they routinely hold people for 48 hours without charging them.

"If the police make an arrest, the suspect must be either released or charged with an offense and brought before a judge within 48 hours." [honoluluattorney.com] (6th paragraph down)

Re:Not final (2, Interesting)

digitalunity (19107) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873926)

The ability for a suspect to be released from jail depends on quite a lot of socioeconomic factors such as race, location and their ability to obtain legal representation. In most states, if you have a lawyer, you can obtain Release on own Recognizance pretty quickly if they don't plan on filing charges right away. This depends a lot on what you're suspected of doing.

As for holding people without charging them... terrorism laws have changed a lot of the governments power in this respect. Beyond even the 4th amendment and 5th amendment, the US government has shown a willingness to ignore the constitution and even international law altogether if they feel national security interests are at stake. The somewhat recent case of an extraordinary rendition of a Canadian citizen while on US soil to Syria poses significant opposition to commonly held beliefs about constitutional protection. After being tortured and returned to Canada, in 2007 he came back to the US to testify before congress about his experience and as far as I know, nothing has ever come of that hearing.

The Alien Terrorist Removal Provisions of the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995 allows for the FISA court to deport an alien suspected of terrorism based solely on classified evidence, to which the target cannot try to suppress evidence or intervene in any way including having representation at any hearings. Whether they are deported or not, they receive very little(if any) information about the proceedings or how any decision was reached. Oddly enough, after reading the entire bill, I could not find any reference anywhere describing where the persons can be deported to. In essence, our government formally legalized extraordinary rendition 15 years ago, although I doubt in many cases of extraordinary rendition that they follow the appropriate steps(however rudimentary they may be) through the FISA court. All they have to do is call it a deportation instead of rendition. And since the target cannot intervene in any proceedings of the process, they cannot suppress any evidence gathered via illegal means.

If anyone was hoping for "change", you didn't get it the way you thought you would. The Alien Terrorist Removal Provisions of this bill were sponsored by your very own Joe Biden. Clinton formulated the bill but it wasn't until the Oklahoma bombing that the political will to pass it existed.

So if you're a foreigner, in the US on a Visa, you can be held indefinitely or extradited to Syria or any other country willing to torture you on our behalf.

Either you're with us or you're against us. You have nothing to hide, right comrade?

Do not just type. Do something to help him! (5, Informative)

reporter (666905) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873572)

The bravery of the policeman who risked his life by publicizing the corruption in his police department is remarkable proof that good people who think and act like Westerners still live in Russia. That he has been arrested and imprisoned is something that everyone on Slashdot knew would happen.

Please. We should not merely talk and type about this tragedy. We should actually do something to help this victim of the Kremlin.

For example, we could start a fund for his legal defense and possible eventual escape from Russia to the West. For the sake of humanity, we must not allow the Kremlin to kill him. The Kremlin has already killed too many innocent people.

If this policeman dies mysteriously in prison, then I hope that someone -- anyone -- assassinates dictator Vladimir Putin.

Re:Do not just type. Do something to help him! (4, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873698)

While I do generally agree with your statement, this is something that really caught my eye

is remarkable proof that good people who think and act like Westerners still live in Russia.

possible eventual escape from Russia to the West. For the sake of humanity, we must not allow the Kremlin to kill him. The Kremlin has already killed too many innocent people.

Can I borrow your time machine back to cold war? Being someone who has actually lived in Russia and some time in the neighboring countries too, I don't see this "Western vs Russia" thing or rant about 'Kremlin'. People in Russia are extremely good people and friendly towards another human being. Even more than in western countries or my own country, where people usually are careless about each other. There is corruptness (sometimes bad too), but you do not change everything in a few days after fallen communism. It is getting there and this is another example about it.

But should you think "Westerners" as better persons for some reason? No. In fact, they're losing on that regard.

Re:Do not just type. Do something to help him! (0, Flamebait)

Wilson_6500 (896824) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873924)

Generally, in cases such as these, people are really mean to badmouth the government, and they accidentally sound like they're badmouthing everyday [insert nationality here] citizens.

This is the exact same reason that, in articles about the Chinese and their government, indignant natives post nearly the same kind of posts. We really aren't talking about you, personally. We know the average Chinese, Russian, American, Brit, whatever probably isn't the problem. We are nearly always talking about your government.

Re:Do not just type. Do something to help him! (1)

Temujin_12 (832986) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873952)

Can I borrow your time machine back to cold war?

No you can't. Putin and Bush stole it a long time ago.

Re:Do not just type. Do something to help him! (1)

32771 (906153) | more than 4 years ago | (#30874006)

Well Russians are actually nicer people than Americans if you go by prisoners per capita. Here have a look at the map:

http://www.nationmaster.com/red/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita&b_map=1 [nationmaster.com]

Russia has a higher murder rate though:

http://www.nationmaster.com/red/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita&b_map=1 [nationmaster.com]

Now I'm conflicted. How do you define nice again?

Re:Do not just type. Do something to help him! (1)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 4 years ago | (#30875162)

Mr Putin, I didn't know you had a slashdot account. How's the weather?

Are we talking about the same friendly Russia that genocides population of "unfriendly" countries and installs puppet governments there to further repress the people? The same one that provokes another country into an attack in order to create jus ad bellum for an invasion and then annexes parts of that country? The one that runs exercise invasions of its neighbor near the border and claims that nuclear weapons could be used preemptively?

Note that I'm not saying that Russians are bad people (though having lived in several CIS countries I don't fully buy your claim that people there are nicer to each other), we're talking mostly about governments and policy here. I see how you could be offended by the suggestion that somebody acting out against corruption behaves like a westerner, but objectively corruption is tolerated significantly less in western countries so it's not a completely wrong or unreasonable thing to say.

Also, please don't start with "But, but Bush! Iraq!" line, everybody knows about it, it sucks, but it does not justify anything.

Re:Do not just type. Do something to help him! (1)

32771 (906153) | more than 4 years ago | (#30874034)

Invade Russia during winter at your own peril.

http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/minard [edwardtufte.com]

Re:Do not just type. Do something to help him! (1)

KGIII (973947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30875046)

Isn't Putin just the Prime Minister now? Term limits in Russia limited him despite his popularity as I recall. I am on a phone so I can no check.

Nothing to see here... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873256)

Nothing to see here citizens. Move along.

Re:Nothing to see here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30874088)

o rly?

Insert here (-1, Redundant)

tchdab1 (164848) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873270)

...the obligatory Soviet Russia line.

Re:Insert here (5, Funny)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873326)

In Soviet Russia whistle blows you!

Re:Insert here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873368)

Nice. What was her number again?

Re:Insert here (1)

Smooth and Shiny (1097089) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873640)

Kinky.

Join in the deadpool by posting below (5, Interesting)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873324)

I give it 48 hours till he's found dead in his cell by apparent "suicide" by drowning himself in a pissbucket

Re:Join in the deadpool by posting below (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873468)

We can turn this into a thread to discuss Command & Conquer 4. Which I just found out is released in 2 months.

Re:Join in the deadpool by posting below (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873644)

It is assumed by the west that Russia has liberalized itself since the fall of communism. In ways it has, but anytime someone blows the whistle on the government there, forget IT!!! There are not as many innocent people in gulags as there used to be, but they are still there and they are still used. You will probably find his body soon. Putin would love to murder as many and even more people than his hero Joesph Stalin.

Re:Join in the deadpool by posting below (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873766)

In ways it has, but anytime someone blows the whistle on the government there, forget IT!!!

I'm not sure how you think that is different from anyplace else. Paypal just cut off Wikileaks' account, for example. This is their primary means of raising funding.

Re:Join in the deadpool by posting below (2, Informative)

digitalunity (19107) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873972)

You mean how like the CIA recently suicided 3 detainees by hanging in Guantanamo bay?

http://harpers.org/archive/2010/01/hbc-90006368 [harpers.org]

The article seems credible. No way I could verify it obviously but it has enough detail that I think it could be verified easily by the FBI or DOJ. If you could get them to do their job, that is.

Re:Join in the deadpool by posting below (1)

Upaut (670171) | more than 4 years ago | (#30874530)

I'll actually log in for this one...

First, if it were me doing the "quieting of an unfavorable", I would seek anything to discredit him first. Get to his family to discredit him as a person, probably with threat of force and some other bribe. Then I would pressure his bosses to show he was on a termination list for something else, like paedophilia or something else quite heinous.

In a case of a cop exposing corruption, and complaining about poor working conditions for the "good cops", this shitting on everyones parade including the government he is apealing towards? That doesn't take a normal assassination to quite, that would create a martyr; worse yet, a martyr for the people with guns. You need to start with character assassination.

You then make it to be he was the worst of the worst, his career in shambles, everyone knowing he was a corrupt cop, and worse, a horrible husband, perhaps a rapist, etc. You make it so bad when you finally put him in a cell, his face covered by the spittle of those he tried to protect, then you make it easy for him to end the madness, his world turning into hell, to end it all. Sheets that make fine rope and high tie off places; razors that just pop out of the plastic casement and can be held in the hand; perhaps pills to quite the nerves and the nurse is called away with that bottle open on the counter. If he does himself in, he is only confirming his own guilt.

And of course, if he has strong enough will not to kill himself, prison is a violent place. And he is a former cop. Its easy enough to say he picked a fight and was stabbed, or made a run for the fence to earn a double tap in the head.

How to read the English translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873348)

Try putting on a Russian accent

Corrupt cops act corruptly, film at 11 (5, Insightful)

russotto (537200) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873382)

Seriously, was anyone really surprised? Mess with bad cops, and you'll come to a bad end. This is unfortunately true everywhere, including the United States.

Re:Corrupt cops act corruptly, film at 11 (5, Insightful)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873514)

No matter how common abuses of power are, they should never ever become so mundane as to not be newsworthy.

Re:Corrupt cops act corruptly, film at 11 (2, Informative)

johncadengo (940343) | more than 4 years ago | (#30874054)

Agreed. As the GP pointed out, this happens in the United States as well.

Here [wpxi.com] is a recent story where a teenager was brutally beaten by plainclothes officers, who he alleges never identified themselves as police and he fought back because he thought he was being kidnapped. It is just horrible, and it won't stop until we make it stop.

Re:Corrupt cops act corruptly, film at 11 (1)

brunokummel (664267) | more than 4 years ago | (#30874176)

No matter how common abuses of power are, they should never ever become so mundane as to not be newsworthy.

not in Russia... Seriously there's a lot of people who have died trying to speak out the problems in Russia... former military, journalists, and the list goes on...

Unfortunatelly when peop...

wait there's someone at the door......

He's probably safer in jail... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873388)

than standing around outside waiting to be assassinated.

Re:He's probably safer in jail... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873430)

Fish in barrels around the world would probably disagree with you.

Re:He's probably safer in jail... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873450)

Fish in barrels around the world would probably disagree with you.

Sure, there are a few cops who can access his jail cell. Outside, every cop and gangster in Russia can get to this guy. He's not safe in jail, but he's safer.

In Soviet Russia (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873398)

In Soviet Russia cops arrest you. oh wait.

In Soviet Russia... (1)

Doug52392 (1094585) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873410)

In Soviet Russia, police corrupt you!

Re:In Soviet Russia... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873460)

In present-day Soviet Russia there is still no real police. There is Militsiya [wikipedia.org] !!!

He Has Tarnished The Glory Off? (3, Insightful)

b4upoo (166390) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873416)

Did he lessen the status of corrupt bosses or the supposed glory of the state. Frankly regardless of which nation does this sort of thing the truth is that human history is dark and wicked and anyone foolish enough to actually believe that any nation's history is glorious needs a mental health professional and a lot of appointments.

Re: He Has Tarnished The Glory Off? (1)

pegasustonans (589396) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873494)

anyone foolish enough to actually believe that any nation's history is glorious needs a mental health professional and a lot of appointments.

Good luck getting 75% of the American public into therapy. We pretty much did away with public funding for mental health services some years ago...

Re: He Has Tarnished The Glory Off? (3, Insightful)

couchslug (175151) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873566)

Russia is just following its normal course, nothing to see there and nothing new to expect.

"anyone foolish enough to actually believe that any nation's history is glorious needs a mental health professional and a lot of appointments."

Glory isn't neat and pretty and seemless, but it certainly exists.

Consider the Soviet soldier, who despite being horribly treated by his own government contributed more than any other group to destroying the Wehrmacht. Stalingrad and the many other brutal battles like it indeed had "glorious" outcomes, for glory is when man triumphs over such terrible adversity even it comes from other men.

BTW one thing the Commies got right is war memorials that reflect the sacrifice of their people. Contemplate Mamayev Kurgan sometime...

Re: He Has Tarnished The Glory Off? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873848)

Any memorials to the 3,000,000 Ukrainians Stalin starved to death for fun? The KGB put posters up at the time saying "It is considered barbaric to eat your children" because people were eating their own children's bodies to try to stay alive. Stalin did not like cannibalism, even if he caused it. What a guy!!

Re: He Has Tarnished The Glory Off? (0, Flamebait)

stophatingalready (1497595) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873948)

it's funny how all the tards who make ridiculous claims tend to hide behind anonymity.

Re: He Has Tarnished The Glory Off? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30874140)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Re: He Has Tarnished The Glory Off? (-1, Flamebait)

stophatingalready (1497595) | more than 4 years ago | (#30875012)

*yawn*

*stretch*

*fart*

'3,000,000 starved for fun' backed by a link to a wikipedia page which claims the the root cause of the famine is a subject of scholarly debate.

lul

Re: He Has Tarnished The Glory Off? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873708)

Only one nation directly murdered more than 69,000,000 people and that is Russia!!!! Communist China comes close with 65,000,000 murdered under Mao!! China STILL executes 69,000 people a year, usually for political crimes(i.e. a powerful person does not like you). To say that you can't say any nation's history is glorious is like saying a person can't complain about Charles Manson because maybe the complainer doesn't recycle their batteries!! When someone points out an innnocent person going to the death chamber and someone else says "you're country isn't perfect" its the same thing as saying "so what" and "who cares?"

Re: He Has Tarnished The Glory Off? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873996)

Please stop posting in this article!!! I can tell it's you this whole time because you keep ending your poorly-worded sentences with multiple exclamation marks!!! You do not have to use three exclamation marks!!! The exclamation mark is like the HTML {em}{/em} of natural language!!! Using it more than once is redundant!!! In fact, even using one in lieu of a period only dilutes your point!!! Save the exclamation marks for the really important points!!! Otherwise you sound like children, who don't know what their central point is so they blurt it out!!! Except children are adorable so they can get away with it and anonymous cowards on nerdy internet forums are not adorable!!!

And we all know the world's a shitty place!!! Getting upset about it does very little but wastes time!!! The best we can all do is to live a moral life and intervene in problems only when we have the capability!!! And we don't have the capability because most of us don't live in Russia, and those that do can't form a large enough voting bloc/rebellious mob to get this thing fixed!!! And even if they could, the other guy's probably as much of a prick as Putin!!! That's just life!!!

Re: He Has Tarnished The Glory Off? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30874180)

You mean like two thirds of the whole population?

Hint: think before you write such ridiculous claims.

Re: He Has Tarnished The Glory Off? (1)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873832)

"Frankly regardless of which nation does this sort of thing the truth is that human history is dark and wicked and anyone foolish enough to actually believe that any nation's history is glorious needs a mental health professional and a lot of appointments."

Maybe you could let him have your slot. The sessions clearly haven't done you much good ;-)

Good Grief (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873748)

Sorry to say it, but this guy was on a "suicide mission". Whistleblower in Russia? The State Police are bad enough, the other guys are the Russian Mob. Good grief, either he's not married, or his wife has wisely left him bay now.

Re:Good Grief (1)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 4 years ago | (#30875204)

So was Ghandi.

The righteous don't give a f*** for their cause is more important than self.

linux dick smoker arrested (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873824)

for being a little pussy faggot.

He knew what was comming... (3, Informative)

badran (973386) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873878)

If you mess with the bear, you have to be prepared for the claws.

In most CIS countries the police are corrupt. They have to be to survive, as their official pay is between 50 to 200 USD per month. And you need about 500 USD, so do the math... And you can see the picture.... Now if you also count the men in uniform who own cars that cost upwards of 6 figures "While making 200$"..

Or this guy:
http://tap-the-talent.blogspot.com/2008/12/judge-who-borrowedharvested-2mhr-2m.html [blogspot.com]

Got the money via an OIU...

In these systems the only people that are caught are the ones that are disliked by their higher ups, or the ones that turn out to be in the wrong time in the wrong place and then used as examples to others on the inside, as for the press-release the police will say "We are fighting the corruption..."

Russia Corrupt? No way! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873904)

Russia, Iran, China, all great examples of what happens when the people get their own way. Some clever bastard comes along and dupes them.

Russia: you overthrew your terrible govt, you had some semblance of democracy, now you have Putin.
Iran: You had democracy, you had the shah, you overthrew the shah, then you voted for a dictatorship again. Good job.
China: you had a civil war, multiple citizens based movements, you ended up with a shitty one. At least you let it happen right?

Out of all 3 China probably had the least chance at democracy out of the bunch.

What did we learn? That proles are stupid and you can't give someone a democracy until the limitations on the govt are understood and clear.

Re:Russia Corrupt? No way! (1)

endymion.nz (1093595) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873984)

:O I'm speechless. Please examine the role of the US in the political upheavals of Iran and Russia...

Re:Russia Corrupt? No way! (1)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 4 years ago | (#30874220)

Dude, the only period Russia had with some semblance of democracy was between 1. July and 24 October 1917.

Re:Russia Corrupt? No way! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30875154)

Just don't get rid of Putin... He's good for so many jokes.
Yes, I am a selfish internet persona with no actual feelings for the people of Russia, in case you were wondering...

It's more complicated a story than it appears (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30873912)

The Dymovsky affair is more complicated than merely a whistle blower cop who had enough, went public, and is now being prosecuted. For starters in his videos his biggest complaints arent about the corruption in the Russian police, but about low pay, long hours, not enough vacation time and not getting overtime pay for overtime hours. Basically his rants aren't about the bad Russian cops but about the bad Russian government that doesnt pay its cops and Mr. Dymovsky in particular enough money. He also signals out his immediate bosses for special attention, but this is because his bosses were trying to get him fired for various things taking BEFORE he put anything on Youtube. Major Dymovsky had a habit of not coming into work for weeks at a time and there were numerous complaints about him basically alleging he himself was extorting various businesses for money before he put anything on Youtube.

Yulia Latynina who is easily the best credentialed opposition journalist in Russia has dismissed Dymovsky as a fraud on her radio show and in editorials. His complaint isnt with the system but with his own place in it -- he is no opponent of the Kremlin, but a guy who was trying to secure his own position.

His own ex-wife has called him mentally unbalanced. He had a messy divorce involving death threats and other assorted stories fit only for the tabloids. The core of the Russian opposition has attempted to distance itself from him which is why you wont find more than a single mention of his arrest on newsru.com. Kasparov's group is the only one that is still seemingly embracing Dymovsky, but that's no surprise as they are the most discredited of the opposition movements in Russia.

Re:It's more complicated a story than it appears (1)

jbssm (961115) | more than 4 years ago | (#30873946)

Although you don't put any sources, it's nice to actually see something in this discussion that look like facts instead of all the "name calling" going around in the thread.

If I had mod point I would certainly mod you up.

Re:It's more complicated a story than it appears (1)

stophatingalready (1497595) | more than 4 years ago | (#30874024)

well, what do you know? there's another side to the story. it seems this mysterious reader "Max_W" lacks the intelligence to investigate anything past tin-foil conspiracy theories.

Re:It's more complicated a story than it appears (5, Insightful)

Theleton (1688778) | more than 4 years ago | (#30874168)

I'm sure you're right, but it's also true that most whistle-blowers have petty and selfish motives, and that they are often driven by personal grudges (which they tend to have a lot of, since they are generally quarrelsome and problematic people). Deep Throat apparently exposed Watergate because he was bitter about losing a promotion.

It takes an unreasonable person to go up against the system and against the culture of one's organization. These people may not be personally admirable in the way we might like for a Hollywood good-guy/bad-guy story, but that doesn't make whatever revelations they provide less important. Nor does it make it OK to persecute them for it.

Now maybe Dymovsky was arrested for some other shit he was involved in, but given Russia's history with internal critics, that would not be my first guess.

Re:It's more complicated a story than it appears (1)

absurdist (758409) | more than 4 years ago | (#30874594)

His own ex-wife has called him mentally unbalanced.

Because of course, when I want the straight, unbiased scoop on someone, I always look to their ex-spouse.

*facepalm*

More details (2, Insightful)

ElusiveJoe (1716808) | more than 4 years ago | (#30874000)

Ironically, he is accused of "fraud abusing the official position" i.e. corruption. The investigation has started after "an appeal of concerned citizen" in December 2009, a month later his video post. Now, he was sentenced under accusation of threatening witnesses and is held in PTDC.

Unfortunately, Dymovsky is pretty dumb. His speech is intermittent, unintelligent, with many errors (he is a cop after all). He admitted, that during a phone conversation (which was wire tapped) he said, that if he had been falsely sentenced he was going to avenge the investigator and the judge. But after admitting this, he said that he was just "testing if he had been eavesdropped and if Government was going to react". Well, it did, Einstein.

linux? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30874584)

totally gay.
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