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Apple's "iPad" Out In the Open

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the will-care-when-it-runs-linux dept.

Media (Apple) 1713

Reader oxide7 is one of the many to note that the heaviest speculation is mostly over (still waiting on the price, though) about Apple's anticipated new device (though there are surely plenty of questions about the device's hardware capabilities and the scope of its software and content marketplace): "At an event in San Francisco Apple released its anticipated iPad.'[It's] Way better than a laptop, way better then a phone. You can turn it any way you want. To see the whole page is phenomenal,' said Jobs." The (0.5") skinny: 1.5 lbs, multitouch, up to 64GB of flash, 9.7" screen, and a 1Ghz "Apple A4" chip (more about the A4 in Engadget's developing story). The iPad is closer in concept to an expanded iPhone (OS and all) than a miniaturized laptop, though it doesn't have quite as much connectivity as you might expect, with no 3G connection built in. (You'll have to make do with 802.11n, Bluetooth, and tethering.) Live coverage is ongoing at gdgt live, Engadget, and Gizmodo, as well as various others. Update by timothy, 19:58 GMT: Got the 3G part wrong; 3G is indeed an option. Prices run from $499 (16GB flash, WiFi but no 3G) to $829 (WiFi and 3G, 64GB flash). Should start shipping in 60 days (WiFi only), in 90 days for 3G. Surprsingly, no built-in camera.

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gay (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30921208)

as usual

Re:gay (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30921348)

If I remember correctly, the term for new overhyped Apple products here on slashdot is: Lame

price? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30921212)

price?

Extra things you'll need (1)

suso (153703) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921590)

Well on top of whatever this costs, you're going to have to consider that you'll still need to have your iPhone and your iBook, so you'll need to buy an iRack to hold it all.

What was I saying just a few days ago about how we never build devices that replace previous ones, we just augment the array of what you need to have? Ah yes, here it is [slashdot.org]

No flash support (5, Insightful)

vivek7006 (585218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921228)

Which means no hulu.com, espn360.com or fancast.com. Somehow Mr. Jobs is touting this as a feature.

Re:No flash support (2, Insightful)

saihung (19097) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921352)

Bingo. This is a huge problem. Will Adobe even be invited on board to write a plugin? Apple should have sorted this out before releasing this. Even my Nokia E71 supports Flash, for God's sake.

Re:No flash support (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30921584)

I rather have Apple kill Flash. Flash is a piece of shit. HTML5 is the future.

Re:No flash support (5, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921376)

If you can free TV shows and movies streaming over Flash, why buy them on iTunes?

I don't expect Flash on this or the iPhone anytime soon.

Re:No flash support (3, Insightful)

jfenwick (961674) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921416)

It is a feature because it means an insecure plugin that security experts have said will cause more remote exploits than any other software this year is banned from the OS. Webkit already supports HTML 5. Those sites need to upgrade their technology if they don't want to endanger their customers.

Re:No flash support (3, Insightful)

pydev (1683904) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921608)

Flash can be made completely secure by sandboxing it at the OS level. If iPhone can't do it, it's a problem with its OS, not with Flash.

Re:No flash support (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30921452)

Apple killed the floppy. Maybe they are doing us a favor. I hope so, Flash is a horrible creation.

Re:No flash support (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30921694)

Cheap flash (the other kind) devices and PC BIOSes eventually supporting booting off them were what killed floppies, not Apple.

Re:No flash support (2, Interesting)

Jeng (926980) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921510)

I'm thinking that Jobs ain't exactly a TV watcher. It just doesn't seem to be his niche.

Why just look at the fail that is the Apple TV.

Re:No flash support (0, Redundant)

polar red (215081) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921524)

No flash ? GOOD RIDDANCE. maybe flash will take a big hit, OR adobe fscking FIXES it(NOT!).

Re:No flash support (2, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921574)

On the plus side, maybe this will start to pressure sites like Hulu to find a better way to handle things.

Also, I bet the 10 hour battery life is based on some decent hardware-accelerated h264 decoding. Watch video in Flash and that number goes out the window.

Re:No flash support (1)

Professor_UNIX (867045) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921644)

Do netbooks do a decent job playing Flash though with that slow Atom processor? I've thought about getting one, but I hear the performance isn't that great, especially under Linux.

Re:No flash support (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921708)

If you get a netbook with an Nvidia ION it can play flash video very well. $399 for the HP Mini311.

Re:No flash support (-1, Redundant)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921662)

It is a feature in my opinion, and nothing of value is lost.

Time for morons to get of the flash bandwagon. No one really bitches about not having it on the phone, except the people who scream 'I'm not buying because it doesn't do flash!!'

New Ipad (1, Funny)

snmpkid (93151) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921248)

How will that new iphone fit in my pocket? its 10" diagonally!

Re:New Ipad (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30921380)

You need some of the giant pocketed pants that niggers wear. You know, the ones that you can fit a telephone pole in the pocket.

Re:New Ipad (3, Funny)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921456)

I'm just waiting for Apple to announce the new iPud. Is that an iPud in your pocket?

Re:New Ipad (1)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921596)

Silly! You just need to buy iPants! They're shiny, and you can walk in them for about two hours until the batteries run out. Then the innovative active polymer reverts back to hard plastic until you recharge them from any iTunes-compatible computer.

What is the point? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30921254)

Isn't this just a big expensive iPod touch now?

Re:What is the point? (1)

dave024 (1204956) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921304)

Yeah I'm surprised they haven't mentioned anything about it supporting either Verizon or AT&T's network. Maybe it is still coming...

Re:What is the point? (1)

clampolo (1159617) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921354)

Isn't this just a big expensive iPod touch now?

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. I was expecting the thing to have a different take on ebook readers. I'll stick to a kindle/nook with its eink and the smaller profile..

Re:What is the point? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921378)

Yes. Whether that is a weakness or a strength depends on what you want, though. I personally would rather have the tablet than an a Macbook Air.

Re:What is the point? (5, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921390)

It's more than just an iPod touch that won't fit in your pocket...it's also an underpowered netbook with no keyboard. It's the worst of both worlds!

Re:What is the point? (1)

chentiangemalc (1710624) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921642)

exactly, fail from apple. And LCD screens are poor for serious reading, so don't see this taking away the eReader market.

Re:What is the point? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30921704)

I know!
Man, I wish they'd make a smaller version I could put in my pockets and maybe make calls with? ...oh wait!

Doesn't Create a Need (4, Insightful)

Bryan Gividen (739949) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921288)

This entire presentation seems a little disappointing. Really, it looks, acts, and feels like a giant iPod Touch. Whereas the iPhone and iPod really created a need , I don't see that this substantially innovate to make it a must-have. It doesn't seem to improve on anything so substantially that it is an obvious choice. Maybe I need to see a few more videos, but I don't see this pulling serious market share away from Kindle's targeted market segment.

Re:Doesn't Create a Need (5, Insightful)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921454)

This entire presentation seems a little disappointing. Really, it looks, acts, and feels like a giant iPod Touch. Whereas the iPhone and iPod really created a need , I don't see that this substantially innovate to make it a must-have. It doesn't seem to improve on anything so substantially that it is an obvious choice. Maybe I need to see a few more videos, but I don't see this pulling serious market share away from Kindle's targeted market segment.

Yes, quite.

Last time I saw a /. commenter speculating about the future of Apple's latest new thing, it read something like this:

Raise your hand if you have iTunes ...

Raise your hand if you have a FireWire port ...

Raise your hand if you have both ...

Raise your hand if you have $400 to spend on a cute Apple device ...

There is Apple's market. Pretty slim, eh? I don't see many sales in the future of iPod.

~LoudMusic

I prefer to take the 'wait and see' approach.

Re:Doesn't Create a Need (5, Funny)

flabordec (984984) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921650)

The last time you saw a comment in /. speculating about the future of Apple's latest new thing was with the release of the iPod? You don't visit very often.

Re:Doesn't Create a Need (4, Insightful)

ShadowRangerRIT (1301549) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921638)

Given that the Kindle's target market is book readers, I don't think tablets like this will have much effect. It's more of a laptop replacement than a book reader; eInk is way more readable, and requires charging far less often. Yes, multiple single-purpose devices can get bulky, but then, I was already carrying around my books anyway. If I wanted a laptop, I'd look at the iPad as an alternative (just like I'd look at a netbook), but if I want to read books and newspapers, I'll stick with paper or eInk.

I'm not saying it will fail, I'm saying it will take market share from laptops far more than eBook readers.

The Chinese (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30921290)

Chinese junk for uneducated American consumers.

iTouch on steroids (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30921292)

It's a glorified iTouch (not iPhone - there's no phone in it at all unless you count Skype.)

Taking Jobs at his word (5, Funny)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921300)

"Way better than a laptop, way better then a phone."

So Apple is basically saying that we should stop buying MacBooks and iPhones?

Re:Taking Jobs at his word (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30921558)

No, he's trying to be like Nintendo, they announce some useless Wii accessory and people come in droves to buy it.

How they expect me to believe this is an adequate gaming machine is beyond me. If they showcase Crysis running smoothly on that iPad, they might have a case; NFS means jack.

No WCMDA/HSPA or even CDMA/EVDO is a huge miss (0)

Mindjiver (71) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921302)

How can you claim to be making a mobile device if it does not have mobile broadband? This thing yearning for a mobile internet connection so bad. The only reason that I can think of is that Steve is waiting to deploy this on Verizon's coming LTE network.

Re:No WCMDA/HSPA or even CDMA/EVDO is a huge miss (1, Insightful)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921434)

You can tether it if you want. Or just download stuff to it that you want before you go. It's not really a problem.

Putting cell connectivity in this thing would be the kiss of death. Who wants to pay for ANOTHER cell contract?

Re:No WCMDA/HSPA or even CDMA/EVDO is a huge miss (2, Insightful)

Mindjiver (71) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921508)

If you need another device to make it mobile it is not really a mobile device is it? Anyhow, how do I tether it? Do I need to buy this AND a iPhone?

Re:No WCMDA/HSPA or even CDMA/EVDO is a huge miss (2, Interesting)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921588)

Do I need to buy this AND a iPhone?

Apple thinks you are on to something there.

And you have a really low UID. I am sure you hear that a lot.

Re:No WCMDA/HSPA or even CDMA/EVDO is a huge miss (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921680)

Mobile does not mean connects to a cellular network. That association is a very recent affliction.

It's got bluetooth. It should tether with anything.

Re:No WCMDA/HSPA or even CDMA/EVDO is a huge miss (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30921506)

They will wait until next year to show the new iPad 2.0 with innovative 3g capability.

Apple is always innovating.

Re:No WCMDA/HSPA or even CDMA/EVDO is a huge miss (3, Informative)

mdm-adph (1030332) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921522)

Just buy a Verizon mifi [verizonwireless.com] and tape the fucking thing to the back, jesus christ. It's big enough.

Problem solved.

Wifi tethering with Android or Nokia, of course! (4, Interesting)

pydev (1683904) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921536)

You can use this as a mobile device by tethering it over Wifi to an Android or Noikia device.

Re:Wifi tethering with Android or Nokia, of course (1)

Mindjiver (71) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921616)

You can use this as a mobile device by tethering it over Wifi to an Android or Noikia device.

So I need a phone, which already does most of what this thing does, before I can use it on the subway?

Re:No WCMDA/HSPA or even CDMA/EVDO is a huge miss (5, Insightful)

arcite (661011) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921538)

wifi is in Starbucks, Mcdonolds, bars & cafes, and all other cool places where people will hang out with these things.

Universities and colleges all have strong wifi coverage

wait for Rev. B!

Apple will sell millions.

Re:No WCMDA/HSPA or even CDMA/EVDO is a huge miss (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921692)

How can you claim to be making a mobile device if it does not have mobile broadband? This thing yearning for a mobile internet connection so bad. The only reason that I can think of is that Steve is waiting to deploy this on Verizon's coming LTE network.

For the same reason that Apple never comments on new products. Apple never said it was a mobile device. It was all the rampant speculation on the internet that said it would come with 3G and use AT&T/Verizon (varies with rumor site).

iPad? Really? (4, Funny)

FSWKU (551325) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921318)

What an unfortunate name. One could conceiveably think that Apple is delving into the untapped market of network-enabled feminine hygiene products... What was wrong with the oft-rumored "iSlate" moniker? Also, what's the PRICE on this thing?

Re:iPad? Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30921404)

The iPad, it has wings!

Re:iPad? Really? (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921410)

I really preffered Slate or iSlate over iPad.

Apple is not perfect. They whiff just like everyone else from time to time.

Re:iPad? Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30921512)

Apple Canvas also seemed like a nice name

Re:iPad? Really? (1)

klubar (591384) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921698)

And I was so hoping that they called it the Newton. Has a catchy ring to it, don't you think. Or they could have called it the Apple Newton Cube. Even better.

Re:iPad? Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30921560)

The downside of these new network enabled feminine hygiene products is that you have give it over to your wife for 3 days every month.

Like him or loath him (1)

arcite (661011) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921336)

Steve Jobs IS a real life wizard of OZ.

And Apple will sell millions of these things.

Re:Like him or loath him (1)

yurtinus (1590157) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921542)

I dunno about that... Past iAnnouncements that took off (imac, ipod, iphone) had folks going "wow." This is just "hey look, big iPod..."

I mean, this *could* be neat and maybe there is something worthwhile in the available apps-- but so far I'm not seeing it. It will certainly be interesting to see if this takes off...

Re:Like him or loath him (0, Troll)

WegianWarrior (649800) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921582)

Because people - and not just the fanboys - buy into the iHype and are fooled into believing they need one.

Awkward keyboard usage (3, Insightful)

jimasksme (1714866) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921346)

A nice solid entry and a step ahead in the evolution of portable computing. Although, the usage of the keyboard perplexes me. Using a keyboard while the screen lays flat just seems awkward to me..

http://jimasks.me/if-you-could-choose-how-you-would-die-what-would-you-choose-and-why [jimasks.me]

Re:Awkward keyboard usage (1)

Noexit (107629) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921606)

My thought exactly. I've been looking at this thing trying to figure out how you'd hold and use it. Too big to use your thumbs for the keyboard like a smartphone, you'd have to sit bolt upright and look directly down at it to use all 10 fingers. Weird.

Perfect! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30921362)

I was looking at the iPhone the other day and I was just thinking that it would be so much better if it didn't fit into any of my pockets.

No 3g? (0)

Blimey85 (609949) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921364)

With no 3G I suddenly don't want one. I love my iPhone and thought this would be great for watching videos and surfing on the couch, but I also want to take it places where I don't have wifi and in the modern age, most things you do require the internet. Seems silly to not include that.

Please tell me I can remove the battery (1)

matty619 (630957) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921386)

I'm guessing they kept some of the worst features of the iphone, such as lack of flash support (mentioned above) no memory expandability, proprietary USB cable, no user replaceable battery, etc.....its all going to depend on the price...$1,000? No way. $3-400? I could see having one or 2 of those laying around the house. But I'm just not getting the same "gotta have it" feeling as when they unveiled the iphone. Oh well....at least its shiny :)

Compared to netbooks (1)

kovari (34550) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921430)

Slightly lighter, smaller screen, no proper keyboard, no expandable storage, less powerfull processor, similar battery life, no support for Beowulf clustering. Did I forget anything?

Phenomenal (5, Funny)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921440)

To see the whole page is phenomenal

I'm not sure "phenomenal" is the right term to describe "seeing a whole page". You would think that we've never been able to see a whole page before and that Steve Jobs is personally responsible for some entirely new experience.

I guess that's what they mean by the reality distortion field.

You can turn it any way you want.

Good god, you mean I can pick the thing up and actually turn it? I'm so excited I'm about to soil myself! Will Apple innovations never cease?

Coughcough. (1)

mattcsn (1592281) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921450)

Four out of six for sure [slashdot.org]. I'm just waiting to see what the price is, and if it's usable without the usual itunes umbilical.

yak, itunes (1)

Joe U (443617) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921604)

Itunes for Windows, the realplayer of the late 2000's.

Seriously, to sync an ipod, I need how many running apps and services? And a new network protocol, sure, why not.

Itunes lives in a VM in my house.

Well, if there's one thing Apple fans need... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30921470)

it's a PAD!

Watching the presentation live... (5, Funny)

Hamster Lover (558288) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921488)

Watching the announcement live I was struck with just how absorbent the crowd was regarding iPad presentation. It's like this product has wings. I wonder how well the iPad will handle those heavy work flow days.

For one the name "iPad" is hysterical (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30921578)

The only reason why I would need a bigger iTouch is because apple intentionally does not provide an onboard PDF reader on the smaller version. And the only reason the iPad will be bought is that apple has restricted that feature intentionally.

No Thanks, I will be getting an Entourage instead of a Steve Jobs Etch-a-sketch. It will most likely be way cheaper than it - that's for sure.

Plus the name is hysterical iPad?! Really LMFAO! xD

Mediocre (1)

hh4m (1549861) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921580)

Shares of Apple dropped 1.68 percent, or 3.46 dollars as Jobs took the stage and unveiled the new device.

btw, the 64GB version is called iPad MaXi!

New app website (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30921602)

Maximum iPad. No confusion, whatsoever. Guess the URL.

Slate this! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30921656)

Yes! It's not called iSlate - Ballmer' going be throwing chairs at this one. Not only does
he look like he's been manipulated, it's also shown MS up to be even more of a bunch
of iWannaBe's than we ever realised.

And it's using Apple's own CPU - so no Windows running on this puppy I guess,
but it does give Apple more leverage for locking it down ...

Hmm (1)

Tobor the Eighth Man (13061) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921660)

My biggest problem with this is that it seems to be locked into the app store, just like the iPhone. In that sense, it does LESS than a netbook. Not saying this won't be successful, since Apple is nothing if not great at marketing consumer electronics, but what does this do for me task-wise that I can't do on a netbook? It's especially funny because, if you noticed, one of Jobs's slides touted PC software as a downside to netbooks. From where I stand, the huge open architecture of the PC is preferable to a tightly controlled store.

Intellectual property and the Singularity (-1, Offtopic)

Singularity42 (1658297) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921664)

The iPad is going to be chained by "intellectual property"--there's no doubt. Will it take the Singularity to blow everything away to get beyond IP?

Maybe Apple will make enough to fund the Singularity--iSingularity.

Premature (4, Insightful)

Bogtha (906264) | more than 4 years ago | (#30921686)

Steve Jobs is still on stage in the middle of announcing this thing. Couldn't the Slashdot article have waited until they've finished announcing all of the features?

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