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Using Windows 7 RC? Pay Up Or Auto Shutdown Warned

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 4 years ago | from the so-long-and-thanks-for-all-the-tests dept.

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CWmike writes with a warning that free preview copies of Windows 7 in the wild will start nagging users to pay up in a couple of weeks until ultimately shutting down the PC altogether in a month. "Microsoft unveiled the schedule for Windows 7 Release Candidate's retirement in May 2009, when it issued the early look to the public. At the time, it said Windows 7 RC would expire June 1, 2010. Before that date, however, users are to receive warnings of the impending end. Starting on Feb. 15, Windows 7 RC will display notices every few hours that the machine will periodically shut down beginning on March 1. As of March 1, PCs running Windows 7 RC will automatically shut down every two hours. Those shutdowns will come without warning."

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Really? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30988400)

BFD. You didn't pay for it, and it's Microsoft. What do you expect?

Re:Really? (2, Interesting)

Corporate Troll (537873) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988688)

What surprises me more is that people are still using the RC. Why would anyone do that? I've seen 7 on my dads alienware(*) laptop. Frankly, I wasn't impressed. Feels like Vista, but a bit faster. XP is not an option since he wants to use the full memory instead of being limited to 3.5Gig. At least it doesn't feel sluggish, but on an i7 I wouldn't expect that.

(*) My dad is a strange creature.... He buys the highest end laptop he can get/pay and then uses it for years.... The laptop the i7 replaced was a P-III 733MHz bought around 2000 or so... 10 years for a laptop.... Never seen anyone do that except my dad ;-)

I run Windows 7 RC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30988822)

I do it because that box is my girlfriend's gaming machine and I don't feel like wasting all that time and bandwidth downloading her games again. If you could update from the RC to the final I would. Steam alone is probably going to take all week to get everything re-downloaded. There's been no reason to go through the ordeal so I haven't done it. I guess I won't have much choice soon, thanks Microsoft! And before the greedy whiners say anything: Yes, I do have a legit license that I purchased so I'm not getting anything "free" by running the RC.

Re:I run Windows 7 RC (1)

AnonGCB (1398517) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988906)

There are ways to upgrade from RC to full, but it's not clean. Either way, steam has a backup system, I suggest you employ it.

Re:I run Windows 7 RC (1)

Corporate Troll (537873) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988926)

Hmmm.... Have you tried using an update version? I don't see a reason that it wouldn't work. Besides, you're running beta software, you should realise that it comes with sacrifices. Besides, as far as I know Steam allows backups. Do that, set them aside on a USB HD and reimport them on your freshly installed legal 7.

Re:I run Windows 7 RC (2, Informative)

radish (98371) | more than 4 years ago | (#30989026)

You don't need to download anything from Steam, just copy the files. There are instructions on their site.

Re:I run Windows 7 RC (2, Informative)

cpt_drewbie (1479889) | more than 4 years ago | (#30989074)

Steam alone is probably going to take all week to get everything re-downloaded.

Just as an fyi: So long as you preserve the Steam directory, you shouldn't need to reinstall any of the games as far as I know. The last few times I have formatted, all I need to do is possibly reinstall the steam client itself and all of my previously installed games have worked fine afterward. It's one reason I tend to get games on Steam now instead of elsewhere if they're released at the same time.

Re:Really? (1)

russ_allegro (444120) | more than 4 years ago | (#30989046)

XP is not an option since he wants to use the full memory instead of being limited to 3.5Gig.

There is a 64 bit version of Windows XP that supports up to 128 Gig of RAM.

Re:Really? (2, Interesting)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 4 years ago | (#30989056)

What surprises me more is that people are still using the RC. Why would anyone do that? I've seen 7 on my dads alienware(*) laptop. Frankly, I wasn't impressed. Feels like Vista, but a bit faster. XP is not an option since he wants to use the full memory instead of being limited to 3.5Gig. At least it doesn't feel sluggish, but on an i7 I wouldn't expect that.

(*) My dad is a strange creature.... He buys the highest end laptop he can get/pay and then uses it for years.... The laptop the i7 replaced was a P-III 733MHz bought around 2000 or so... 10 years for a laptop.... Never seen anyone do that except my dad ;-)

Not unusual. I do the same thing. It's a sore PITA to keep replacing computers - if you go white box, figuring out what parts you want in it is practically a full time job. If you go OEM, well, then you get stuck with parts you aren't happy with.

I gave up, and still run my nearly 10-year-old Celeron 533A (overclocked to 800MHz, back when it was the normal thing to do). I did pick up a couple of better computers along the way - a Mac Pro and a nice Core 2 Extreme laptop, but my old PC still runs fine. Especially since these days, any decent PC will last a really long time if you exclude gaming. CPUs aren't getting much faster quickly, ditto video cards... so even moderate gaming will work on decent high-end machines for years to come.

Really, I don't know who came up with the idea that PCs should be replaced annually or even every two years or so. Moving all that data gets to be a huge chore, as is having to dig up all your installation CDs and setup programs and registration keys, and other crap. If you're well organized, it's easy. But most people aren't, and most people don't backup at all. And I have a small pile of hard drives I've removed from old PCs that may have unrecovered data.

As for Windows 7 RC, it's actually a great solution to two problems. First are those who sold PCs with "Windows 7" prior to release to notify people they don't have a legitimate copy anymore. The second problem is when a PC gets installed with Windows 7 to evaluate, and is promptly forgotten about or even inventoried that it has Win7 RC. Well, hopefully when people get around to seeing that machine again, they'll realize that machine really ought to be re-imaged.

It's a good thing. (4, Informative)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988892)

Since the RC doesn't get any updates, less vulnerable boxes in the wild is always good for all of us. Why is this being spun as a bad thing?

Re:Really? (2, Funny)

TheRealGrogan (1660825) | more than 4 years ago | (#30989040)

I don't know, I think that if I'm told a beta is going to be valid until June, I wouldn't expect harassment 3 months before that time.

Without warning? (5, Insightful)

mythosaz (572040) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988412)

Uh, it's going to notify you... ...that's warning.

Re:Without warning? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30988554)

Uh, it's going to notify you... ...that's warning.

That is actually an improvement over normal Windows operations. Typically, in my experience, Windows will shutdown on it's own without any warning!

Yay! Microsoft is improving!! :D

(hurray for "upside" being my captcha)

Re:Without warning? (2, Interesting)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988560)

True, the warning will start Feb 15h, and Microsoft doesn't release security updates for the Windows 7 RC code, so we're ALL better off to see these machines change to a different OS. The previews of Windows 7 were aimed at a tech savvy audience and hence I do not see any issue... except typical Slashdot "LOL M$ SUX WHATEVER IT DOES" bullshit.

Re:Without warning? (1)

HouseOfMisterE (659953) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988894)

True, the warning will start Feb 15h, and Microsoft doesn't release security updates for the Windows 7 RC code.../p>

Yes, Microsoft does currently release security updates for the RC. I have it installed on a spare drive in a PC, and it updates on the rare times that I boot into that OS.

Re:Without warning? (0)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988584)

Uh, it's going to notify you... ...that's warning.

Ever seen a button that says "Your Machine Will Shut Down Now" that only has an "OK" as an option, and takes the focus for the entire machine so you can't do anything else like save your work?

That's not so much in the way of warning. Well, inasmuch as the Blue Screen of Death was a "warning".

Cheers

Re:Without warning? (1, Redundant)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988762)

If you're not going to read the article, at least glance at the summary:

Starting on Feb. 15, Windows 7 RC will display notices every few hours that the machine will periodically shut down beginning on March 1

So, you get a 15 day advance warning for the impending shutdowns. Also, Microsoft has mentioned earlier, on several occasions, that this was eventually going to happen with the RC version. It's only fair: you can try it for free, but you have to pay to keep using it. Not different from any other nagware.

Re:Without warning? (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988962)

If you're not going to read the article, at least glance at the summary:

Starting on Feb. 15, Windows 7 RC will display notices every few hours that the machine will periodically shut down beginning on March 1

So, you get a 15 day advance warning for the impending shutdowns. Also, Microsoft has mentioned earlier, on several occasions, that this was eventually going to happen with the RC version. It's only fair: you can try it for free, but you have to pay to keep using it. Not different from any other nagware.

Not only that, it's not regular shareware or trialware, it was specifically aimed at tech savvy tinkerers that fiddle with OS installs most of who already must have moved on to the RTM, Ubuntu or XP. Hence it's not like it's being sprung as a surprise.

Re:Without warning? (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 4 years ago | (#30989042)

If you're not going to read the article, at least glance at the summary:

Well, where would the fun be in that? And, more seriously, the article seems to say

To avoid any data loss, I suggest making plans to move to a released version of Windows 7 before the automatic shutdowns start. During these shutdowns, your work will not be saved.

Meaning, I think, you'll get a warning that you might get a shutdown at some point. But, when the shutdown happens, it might come without a more imminent warning. The linked MS KB article [microsoft.com] supports that while you will get scheduled warnings, when the actual shutdown happens "When the computer restarts, your work will not be saved" -- the reboot will simply happen and kill whatever you're working on.

I have seen a dialog box that says "Reboot now?" with only "OK" and full modal focus. It was evil (and I'm not even saying it was an MS dialog box, since I can't remember).

I'm sure come June 1 or whatever the final cut-off date is, it will be far less polite about it.

Truthfully, I have no qualms about MS shutting down trial versions. A friend of mine has raved so much about Windows 7 I've been weighing the option of upgrading my Vista box -- but I've actually been really happy with my Vista experience, and I don't want to go through the bother of the upgrade/migration process.

Cheers

Re:Without warning? (4, Funny)

RobVB (1566105) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988928)

There's also the giant Windows and Microsoft logos everywhere. If that doesn't alarm you...

Re:Without warning? (1)

Tim C (15259) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988980)

Not only that, but it was made perfectly clear when you received the key for it. This shouldn't be a surprise for anyone who has a legitimate copy of the RC.

Re:Without warning? (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 4 years ago | (#30989078)

Not to mention that it was never released as anything but temporary, or the two weeks of "That thing you're not paying for isn't the real product" camp over the summer.

..so? (4, Insightful)

monoi (811392) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988418)

Unless they're also going to disable booting an Ubuntu install DVD, I don't see how anyone could have a problem with this. Windows is a commercial product. If you don't want to pay for it, use one of the entirely credible free alternatives.

Re:..so? (5, Funny)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988576)

Hey, it's our M$ bashing article of the day, I've been waiting all day for a nice 'M$' bash post full of venom and vitriole, please don't rain on the parade! LOL M$ SUX!

Re:..so? (5, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988634)

But I haven't finished bashing Apple yet!

NOTE: Since multitasking is disabled in iPhone/iPad, I can only bash one evil empire at a time.

Re:..so? (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 4 years ago | (#30989048)

Well, atleast the Apple bashing has some legitimacy... no multitasking and no political or offensive apps, whereas this post is devoid of any juicy bashing material.

Re:..so? (5, Insightful)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988632)

> Windows is a commercial product.

Exactly right. Bootleg Windows is the #1 competition to Linux. So if ya want to bring about "The Year of the Linux Desktop" helping Microsoft turn the screws on unlicensed installs is probably the most productive thing a non-coder can do. Especially outside the US.

Re:..so? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988684)

Why does this commercial product work at all without payment?

Re:..so? (1)

Hellswaters (824112) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988816)

Why does this commercial product work at all without payment?

Its the release client, mostly a demo product, for people to try it before the retail version is released, so that they could go and buy it knowing that is better than Vista

Re:..so? (1)

Kpau (621891) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988850)

Everyone who got an RC knows this (or should). DuH? It was a great free ride while it lasted. My game machine upgrade will include a win7 OS. My work machine will continue as an Ubuntu critter... so it goes :)

Duh (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30988424)

This should not be a surprise to anyone. Why is this news?

Re:Duh (1)

dclozier (1002772) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988588)

Actually I'm expecting a lot of surprised people. I seen a lot of used computers being sold on Ebay with Windows 7 rather early on that I figured these had to have had the preview release installed by the seller.

Re:Duh (1)

GIL_Dude (850471) | more than 4 years ago | (#30989082)

Aha! Interesting - thanks for that. There are always some sneaky people out there. I would have never thought of doing that (not only am I not sneaky enough, I'm not evil enough either).

Re:Duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30988902)

It's a reminder that there will be several reminders and then Win7RC will shut down. People forget. It's been a year since they installed the system.

As a current user of it (1)

pwnies (1034518) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988440)

I wonder how many people who have in currently installed will go out and buy the latest version rather than attempt to bypass the restrictions. It seems like these restrictions are targeted at the type of people who do know how to circumvent these things (that is, people who don't mind beta testing and keep up their computer skills), and that it'll be more of an annoyance than a polite, "Hey the trial is ending soon. Just fyi."

That is probably their main target (2, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988534)

People who've forgotten or being lazy. Not only do they want your cash, but supporting prerelease software is a recipe for problems. They'd like to phase it out and not patch it.

Re:That is probably their main target (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30988602)

Not only do they want your cash, but supporting prerelease software is a recipe for problems. They need to fudge
the figures to show people are buying into the Win7 bullshit.

Fixed that for you.

Re:That is probably their main target (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30988676)

What an idiotic post.

If you downloaded the 7 RC, you knew it was going to deactivate eventually. This is not part of some nefarious plan.

time... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30988450)

time to start searching for a pirated version of windows 7... or go back to XP and stop dealing with all the damn 7 issues i have been having ;)

Re:time... (1)

Flea of Pain (1577213) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988542)

If you're only having 7 issues, why go back to XP? It has like...over 9000!

Re:time... (0)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988668)

XP has (according to recent studies) 1 more X in its title than "Windows 7". Using the math from an Into to Calculus course, I can deduce that The 1X in XP divided by the 0X's in 7 makes XP allllmost both infinite and negative infinite times more badass. (See Appendix A: The Badittude of X). However, anyone with a high school diploma knows its actually impossible to divide by 0, so you could say that XP is so Badass, its undefined.

Re:time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30989034)

You could say that... if you're a fucking moron.

Re:time... (1)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 4 years ago | (#30989030)

I honestly don't see why the parent should modded "troll". After all, nearly everyone who buys a PC has already paid microsoft when they bought their PC. And of course we all collectively pay in billions of dollars and an absurdly high amount of time wasted per year due to their monopoly over so much of the business and government infrastructure. I say if you really want the new windows, go ahead and just take it [thepiratebay.org] . You already paid for it, and you'll continue to pay for it.

obligatory .... (0, Troll)

Brigadier (12956) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988462)

ok, aaand how is this any different from what happens now ?

"......Windows 7 RC will automatically shut down every two hours. Those shutdowns will come without warning."

Re:obligatory .... (2, Informative)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988606)

I know this is Slashdot and all, but I've been running Windows 7 right from the public beta, through RC and final, and it never once bluescreened on me and all shutdowns were for updates or manual restarts.

Re:obligatory .... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30988874)

the update restarts can certainly be manually set to only allow manual restarts, but by default it gives you a ten minute warning and allows you to postpone upto a max of 4 hours before you have to postpone again.

Re:obligatory .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30989092)

Funny it BSODs on me each and every time I want to shut it down and that causes it to ... restart!!
And if I click "restart" instead of "shutdown", it restarts with no issues.

I guess it just doesn't want to die, maybe I got "Windows 7 Ultimate Resurrection" and didn't notice :-) ... luckily it is in a VM and I can simply hit the "force off" button which I do very often as I use W7 only for tests.

What's different? (-1, Flamebait)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988470)

Whenever I use Windows, it always seems to shut itself down frequently when I'm in the middle of working on something. There's Blue Screens, automagic updates, and random freezes. So, what's different about this? It isn't going to change the uptime very much.

Re:What's different? (3, Insightful)

swanzilla (1458281) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988608)

I see where you are going there...

In all honesty, when was the last time you saw a BSOD? I have been running XP at work with 100% uptime for years, and for quite a while kept a Vista dual-boot for streaming media at home with no issues. At least tout the merits of something superior w/o resorting to tired anti M$ rhetoric.

Re:What's different? (2, Insightful)

Sowelu (713889) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988998)

Only time my computer's ever crashed since I installed XP was when my secondary drive suffered a head crash. I'm sure someone will tell me that Linux could have kept running, because hey, it wasn't even the root drive. But I can't say I really care.

Re:What's different? (1)

Hellswaters (824112) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988908)

Whenever I use Windows, it always seems to shut itself down frequently when I'm in the middle of working on something. There's Blue Screens, automagic updates, and random freezes. So, what's different about this? It isn't going to change the uptime very much.

I got the retail of windows 7, never had a blue sceen, turned off automatic update (so it never reboots because of updating) and never had a freeze caused by the OS. I had the exact same experience with the RC. And, for the most part, same with the beta (minor issues, but it was a beta version)

Nostalgia! (4, Funny)

pwnies (1034518) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988472)

PCs running Windows 7 RC will automatically shut down every two hours. Those shutdowns will come without warning

The periodic shutdowns aren't actually part of the trial restrictions. They're built in to celebrate the 10th anniversary of windows ME

Re:Nostalgia! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30988838)

It's not a celebration, Windows ME was just a beta version of this "Feature"

Every two hours, eh? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30988486)

That's still a pretty good stability improvement over WindowsME.

Re:Every two hours, eh? (0)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988788)

I know you're joking, but sometimes it bugs me, so I choose you to bounce a rant off of. :) Windows ME is 10 years old. Let's compare Windows 7 to RHEL 2.1 next and see how they compare.

Feature or Bug? (3, Funny)

Joucifer (1718678) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988492)

"...will automatically shut down every two hours. Those shutdowns will come without warning." My office computer already does this.

I'm glad there's no bias in the reporting on /. (5, Insightful)

anomnomnomymous (1321267) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988540)

Nice post there: Completely devoid of any bias towards Microsoft/Windows...

Ok, let me turn off my sarcasm-mode first.

So why the negative article about this? All the users knew beforehand that the free trial would end one day: Saying that it's "nagging" the user to pay up, is nothing more than using some fine choice of words to make it look bad on Microsoft.
Seriously, there's lots of other stuff that you can slack MS for, and you have to do it for this?
Also, you got to love the 'it will shutdown without a warning'... but it warns you from the 15th of February...

Next up: Adobe nags the users after one month of using their trial software. Oh, the horror!

Re:I'm glad there's no bias in the reporting on /. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30988640)

It's copied and pasted straight from ComputerWorld, which isn't particularly anti-Microsoft. Honestly I can't see where you think the summary has a bias against Microsoft. It's fairly factual. It _will_ shutdown without a warning immediately previous to the shutdown - you just generally know that it'll be doing so.

Re:I'm glad there's no bias in the reporting on /. (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988798)

The point is that it's about as newsworthy as 'water is wet'. If MS doesn't let the copies expire... we'll see a headline here shouting "OMG M$ ALLOWS VULNERABLE WINDOWS COPIES TO KEEP WORKING", since RC doesn't get updates. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Re:I'm glad there's no bias in the reporting on /. (0, Troll)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988686)

Let me guess, you're new to Slashdot? This site is not news for nerds, it's news for anti-'M$' nerds. You won't see a story here about Windows 7 increasing Microsoft revenue. Just plain FUD and negative articles about MS abound on here.

The huge success of Windows 7 helped Microsoft romp to $19bn of revenue for the quarter, earning $6.6bn in profit. It was a record three months for Windows sales, with a whopping 60 million Windows 7 licences shifted.

Re:I'm glad there's no bias in the reporting on /. (1)

eepok (545733) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988700)

There's nothing anti-anything up there. There's no opinion.

I think *you* need to *read* the summary again without bias.

Re:I'm glad there's no bias in the reporting on /. (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988890)

Combining "notification" with "without warning" seems to be a logical error. It is written sensationally. It is written as though Microsoft sneaked this on people, even though we already knew that the machine would begin shutting down every two hours before the RC actually expires. The author either didn't know that or simply left it out of the summary, making it look like Microsoft is throwing this extra wrench in several months early in an effort to get people to "pay up." Even the choice of words (e.g., "pay up") make it sound slanted.

Bias and opinion do not only come out when people say "I think" or "I believe" or "I HATE M$!!!!!!11"

Re:I'm glad there's no bias in the reporting on /. (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988734)

The users didn't just "know," they were told. Big difference. MS made no secret about it.

Re:I'm glad there's no bias in the reporting on /. (1)

Draek (916851) | more than 4 years ago | (#30989022)

Not just "one day", Microsoft explicitly described everything, from the warnings to the automatic shutdown complete with dates for each, on the website you needed to access to register for the RC. And even for the idiots who click OK before reading, they would've known that it was gonna happen based on the same process the Beta went through late last year and all the reports about it.

There are exactly two kinds of people who will be affected by this: first-year engineering students in the southern hemisphere who are waiting to start classes in March to get their free license through MSDNAA, and illiterate morons.

Re:I'm glad there's no bias in the reporting on /. (1)

Tim C (15259) | more than 4 years ago | (#30989086)

All the users knew beforehand that the free trial would end one day

The email MS sent us with the licence key for it made it perfectly clear what would happen, including dates, warnings, and 2-hourly shutdowns. No-one with a legitimate install of the RC should be surprised by this at all.

What service.... (5, Funny)

jameskojiro (705701) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988590)

What service does this auto shutting down reside in and how do we disable it?

Re:What service.... (1)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988694)

What service does this auto shutting down reside in and how do we disable it?

Sorry, you're probably gonna have to look harder than that. After all, Microsoft infected their OWN product with semi-random "shutdowns". God knows they've had YEARS of experience seeing how others can kill the OS.

Re:What service.... (5, Funny)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988708)

What service does this auto shutting down reside in and how do we disable it?

The service is Windows, and you disable it by installing Ubuntu.

(You must be new here).

Open Source/Linux's Failure To Capitalize (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30988592)

Ten years I've been trying to make the switch from Windows to Linux.

Ten years of going through the ritual of downloading the latest trendy Linux distro. Ten years of the same amateur junk sending me and the rest of the computing world right back to Windows.

Inane spinning 3d effects trying to desperately prove that Linux is 'ahead' on the desktop.

The clusterfuck that is KDE and Gnome.

Not being able to just click on a news story about new piece of software because the bearded GNU freak who is in charge of the pointless 'packaging' of software for each and every distro is busy with bong hits and World of Warcraft raiding on his Windows partition he doesn't tell anyone about.

The mass of crapware that is open source software compared to their commercial counterparts.

These 'lol, microsoft! just install linux' stories would actually be effective if the open source world hadn't been spending all their time jerking each other off here on Slashdot for the past decade instead of actually putting in the hard work of creating a viable and commercial quality desktop and application array.

Yes, being faced with the choice:

Pay for Windows 7
Track down a safe and working pirated copy
Switch to the joke that Linux is on the desktop

We all know which 2 of those 3 the computing world is going to go for.

Re:Open Source/Linux's Failure To Capitalize (0)

ameline (771895) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988714)

> Yes, being faced with the choice:

> Pay for Windows 7
> Track down a safe and working pirated copy
> Switch to the joke that Linux is on the desktop

Or get a Mac.

Re:Open Source/Linux's Failure To Capitalize (1)

markdavis (642305) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988834)

>> Pay for Windows 7
>> Track down a safe and working pirated copy
>> Switch to the joke that Linux is on the desktop

>Or get a Mac.

Oh THAT is really brilliant. How about we add:

Or buy a whole X86 machine with MS-Windows 7 already licensed and installed
Or buy a while X86 machine with Linux already pre-installed

MacOS is not free, any more than MS-Windows is.

Re:Open Source/Linux's Failure To Capitalize (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30988878)

> Yes, being faced with the choice:

> Pay for Windows 7

> Track down a safe and working pirated copy

> Switch to the joke that Linux is on the desktop

Or get a Mac.

Or a diamond-studded TI-85...

I think the GP was talking about software upgrades, not about costly-shiny-but-mostly-useless toys...

Re:Open Source/Linux's Failure To Capitalize (1)

Bobfrankly1 (1043848) | more than 4 years ago | (#30989084)

> Yes, being faced with the choice:

> Pay for Windows 7 > Track down a safe and working pirated copy > Switch to the joke that Linux is on the desktop

Or get a Mac.

Buy an OS, pirate an OS, use a OSS OS, and you added "buy high end hardware for it's candy colored OS."
Are you mad? Oh, you're a zealot, my bad.

Ultimate validation of commercial software dev (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30988754)

The complete and abject failure that is Linux on the desktop is the ultimate validation of the commercial software development model.

Writing software is hard. But we knew that 10-15 years ago when Linux on the desktop was just starting to be an open source dream. It was a nice fantasy to cling to that the army of millions of programmers around the world would rise up and crush the outdated commercial software companies.

Re:Open Source/Linux's Failure To Capitalize (1)

kurt_harlan (1648185) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988782)

I have never had this sort of experience when sampling any of the readily available linux distros. As an aside, it's difficult to sort through any post that is a bunch of generalities with NO ACTUAL information or links to actual information.

Re:Open Source/Linux's Failure To Capitalize (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30988842)

Maybe I'm a bit less discerning than you, but somewhere back, about 10 years ago, I made the switch to Linux for my desktop. I kept a Windows (legal!) boot partition around, or ran it under VMWare, for the several programs I couldn't find a replacement for. Gradually, the number shrank, although it sat at "3" for several years. 4 years ago, though, I didn't have to do that anymore. I have a legal copy of WinXP (my office never really made the switch to Vista) in case I just have to load up a VM (site license with no VM restrictions), and it's kept in a sfe spot, so I can find it. But, really, I've not had to do that for, yes, 4 years and two laptop rebuilds, because I've found that:
1. Gnome and KDE are just competing window environments. I can live and work with either.
2. The hardest decision is csh/tcsh or bash.
3. OpenOffice is interoperable enough for all I do. You know, scientific papers, presentations, writing documents ot PDF, spreadsheets with fewer numerical limitations that Excel.
4. I'm not as hobbled in Linux as in the Windows world, where they can't get '/' right, and they try putting network-related files in really strange places.
5. The bearded guy keeps corporations from removing Open Source software from my desktop, especially if they've merely raided it instead of writing it themselves!

Sorry, a "Score:1, Insightful" heading is in error. More like, "-5, troll".

If you don't like it, then don't use it. But please don't tell me what I should use because you can't find the shrink-wrap license.

Re:Open Source/Linux's Failure To Capitalize (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30988868)

Thank you. That's something the FOSS folks (fanatics) don't get.

Now, all we need is the "Well, why don't you write you own." or the "You can just go and write a version yourself," posts that will get modded up +5.

Ask Slashdot: (3, Insightful)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988658)

Do you expect people to get upset over this? What, are they expecting it to just keep on going? My copy never got out of the virtual box. It's just there to figure out how to learn WTF. Come March.. or February, or whenever, whoopee! 25gb freed up.. for the hacked copy.. just kidding. No name, home made boxes with XP are a booming business right now. 7 is still a giant kludge. It's like Microsoft wants people to switch. Seems to be working.. Lots more Macs in my neighborhood.

Windows 7 networking woes (3, Insightful)

HycoWhit (833923) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988666)

Count me as one of the people seeing the nag screens... Installed Ultimate edition 32-bit, have a license of Professional 64-bit. So at some point I am going to have reload the OS. Just not sure it if will be Win 7 Pro-64 or back to XP.

Biggest problem with Windows 7 has been the network performance. On a gigabyte network I can not get better than 100mbs performance, while the Linux and XP machines perform as expected. To make matters worse, the network appears to spike and disconnect itself at random times. Streaming a video from the Windows 7 machine and surfing the web will produce stutters. Talked with a buddy that is a a major account TAM--apparently the networking issue has been well known since the RC and affects nVidia and Intel chipsets. My question to him--so what chipsets does that leave unaffected?

I really tried to like Windows 7 but the more I try to like the more I find thinking Ubuntu is the way to go...

Re:Windows 7 networking woes (1)

dunezone (899268) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988958)

Streaming a video from the Windows 7 machine and surfing the web will produce stutters. Talked with a buddy that is a a major account TAM--apparently the networking issue has been well known since the RC and affects nVidia and Intel chipsets. My question to him--so what chipsets does that leave unaffected?

So is it Nvidia, Intel, or Microsofts fault?

Similar problem found by Ed Bott and solved (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30988994)

http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=2729&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+EdBott-WindowsandOfficeExpertise+%28Ed+Bott+-+Windows+%28and+Office%29+Expertise%29&utm_content=FeedBurner

'twas a hardware issue, related to interactions between the network cable and the switch. Maybe related to yours, maybe not.

So what? (4, Insightful)

markdavis (642305) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988736)

So what? Are there people stupid enough to think that a demo version of any software will run forever without nagging and shutting down, or going into limp mode? This is a completely stupid article totally unworthy of being posted on Slashdot.

If you want a legal, free, [modern] OS without nagging or shutting down, install Linux, BSD, or OpenSolaris. Otherwise, pay up or shut up!

Re:So what? (1)

Paco103 (758133) | more than 4 years ago | (#30989108)

Hey now, I learned about "trials" from Winzip. I expect a box where I have to click OK, but I shouldn't have to PAY to get full functionality on day 937 or my 30 day trial!

Win 7 RC was good (3, Interesting)

microbee (682094) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988770)

I had used it since last May until last December when I bought a discounted ultimate version for $30. The RC had almost everything the final version had, and it was nice for me to be able to try it out before paying for it (and finding a deal). I have no complaint for something that was free for half a year and as high quality as the official version

20 Questions, minus 16 (1)

Bobfrankly1 (1043848) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988776)

As of March 1, PCs running Windows 7 RC will automatically shut down every two hours. Those shutdowns will come without warning."

Isn't this a feature of the upcoming Windows 7 "ME Mode", the less desirable counterpart to "XP Mode"?

Wait, so this is a penalty now, and not a feature?

Why don't they call it nostalgia mode, for those that dream of the so called better days of yesteryears?

It's the new power saving version of the BSOD! Instead of a blue\black screen, it just shuts down! Microsoft goes Green!

Thanks folks, I'll be here all week!

Slashdot moderation flaws (5, Insightful)

heffrey (229704) | more than 4 years ago | (#30988860)

What a truly lame story. The biggest flaw with the moderation system is that I can't use my mod points to moderate on the actual stories as well as the comments!

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30988972)

I'm sorry but I am happier with Snow Leopard than I was with Windows and I have used every version since 1992 professionally. I don't want to start a fight, but there is a time when enough is enough already. I don't care for Steve Jobs as he is a ruthless leader but the product is solid.

Thanks for your time.

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