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Google Releases Chrome OS Tablet Concept Demo

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the keeping-up-with-the-jobses dept.

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MojoKid writes "With all of the iPad buzz stirring up the tech world over the past couple of weeks, Chrome OS has almost been forgotten. Though Google has yet to officially release the netbook-centric operating system to the public, the company continues to keep details flowing about their forthcoming lightweight operating system. In their own response to all the recent tablet fanfare, Google decided to release some teaser shots and a demo video of the Chrome OS running on a concept tablet device. The Chromium team suggests that a screen of 5" to 10" is optimal for enjoying Chrome OS and of course tablets, netbooks and MIDs all fit that size class rather well. Couple a streamlined Google-based OS with NVIDIA's Tegra 2 processor in a design like this and the iPad could have serious competition."

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Too much lockdown! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30997258)

I'm not going to buy a device that is so fucking locked down. I'm going to suggest to everyone I know that they not purchase such a locked-down device.

I don't want any company deciding which applications I can or cannot run on a system that I purchase. I don't care if it's Apple, Google, or some other company.

Not even Microsoft have been bastardly enough to so blatantly limit the user's freedom like Apple and Google are trying so hard to do.

Re:Too much lockdown! (3, Insightful)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997396)

Not even Microsoft have been bastardly enough to so blatantly limit the user's freedom like Apple and Google are trying so hard to do.

How soon people forget ... "Embrace, extend, extinguish."

Re:Too much lockdown! (1, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997538)

Microsoft is actually one of the most open player there, in terms of what you can do with their devices. Sure, their OS and programs isn't open source, but you are allowed to run and install anything you want on your devices (both desktop Windows and Windows Mobile). Everyone is able to develop for their platform and distribute applications and games in a way that suits them.

Now I don't understand where Google comes with this, since as I understand you're allowed to run anything you want on Android. Their OS being open source isn't that much more better than Microsoft though, as it's generally pain in the ass to get compiled and you don't get the drivers and everything else required to run it on your phone manufacturers device.

But Apple definitely is a problem here. They're blatantly restricting everything you can install on iPhone and iPad and need to buy all the software from their App Store. And for developers it's hit-and-miss to get their apps there and takes many months. At some point this will most likely be true for OS X too - maybe even on the next major version.

Re:Too much lockdown! (1, Insightful)

PenguSven (988769) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997734)

Everyone is able to develop for their platform and distribute applications and games in a way that suits them.

This has been especially helpful for the developers of apps that contain trojans, not to mention the drive-by-download virus writers.

At some point this will most likely be true for OS X too - maybe even on the next major version.

What exactly are you smoking?

Re:Too much lockdown! (4, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997934)

Everyone is able to develop for their platform and distribute applications and games in a way that suits them.

This has been especially helpful for the developers of apps that contain trojans, not to mention the drive-by-download virus writers.

So do you instead prefer fully-locked-down, all apps from our App Store PC's? Do you prefer a fully-locked-down environment and living in a police nation to save you from those who abuse the freedom?

It's funny that people always complain about DRM, locked-down consoles and proprietary standards and want more open and free, but when it's about Apple then it doesn't matter anymore. btw, you can blame Apple for HTML5 video never going to happen - they're pushing hard towards H.264, which is never going to be reality for Firefox because it can't be distributed in the source code.

At some point this will most likely be true for OS X too - maybe even on the next major version.

What exactly are you smoking?

Why do you think it's so out of the question? Apple is already doing it on every other device they have, and it's good market for them.

Re:Too much lockdown! (1)

Sepodati (746220) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998496)

So do you instead prefer fully-locked-down, all apps from our App Store PC's? Do you prefer a fully-locked-down environment and living in a police nation to save you from those who abuse the freedom?

Wow... exaggerate much? App store to police state?

I can see where a locked down, "trusted" source for apps can be useful in certain situations. I think my parents would have a much easier time with an iPad versus a laptop. I, however, have no use for such a thing as I require the flexibility a laptop gives me.

Re:Too much lockdown! (0, Flamebait)

PenguSven (988769) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998602)

So do you instead prefer fully-locked-down, all apps from our App Store PC's? Do you prefer a fully-locked-down environment and living in a police nation to save you from those who abuse the freedom?

Wow, way to miss the point. I was making light of the fact that windows is notorious for security breaches and a plethora of shitty apps that come bundled with shite the user doesn't want.

It's funny that people always complain about DRM, locked-down consoles and proprietary standards and want more open and free, but when it's about Apple then it doesn't matter anymore. btw, you can blame Apple for HTML5 video never going to happen - they're pushing hard towards H.264, which is never going to be reality for Firefox because it can't be distributed in the source code.

HTML5 Video isn't going to happen? H.264 is never going to be a reality? Because Firefox isn't going to support H.264? Yeah, that's stopped people before. If someone is using firefox, they already know how to download a DIFFERENT browser. If Firefox doesn't do what they want, they'll get a better one.

Microsoft is expected to support HTML5 in IE9.. And I know where I'd be putting my money when it comes to Microsoft supporting H.264 or the lower performance, lower quality, non-hardware accelerated Ogg/Theora video.

Why do you think it's so out of the question? Apple is already doing it on every other device they have, and it's good market for them.

I think you're very confused about what constitutes a "device".

Of the Apple products that allow user installable applications (so, all computers, iphone, ipod touch and ipad), seven allow "full access", and three rely on the App store for distribution of apps.

Every time I hear someone complaining about the App store, I'm reminded of all those sweaty linux fans living in their parent's basements, who think all software everywhere should be free and run under fucking Gnome and look like it was raped at birth by a horse.

Get a fucking life. If you don't like the iPhone OS, don't buy a device that runs it. There are plenty of alternatives out there, and I keep hearing how a Dell running Windows 7 for all of 45 minutes will be such a better experience while you watch it running a fucking virus scan for the first 30 minutes.

Re:Too much lockdown! (1, Insightful)

blueZ3 (744446) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997846)

You've completely missed the point that Apple is a hardware company, whereas MS is a software company. Of course MS doesn't try to lock you out of "their devices" since the devices aren't MS's in the first place. You can "install anything you want" on OS X, and there are plenty of other phones that are locked down--heck, my Motorola phones were MORE locked down than any iPhone, since there was no way to install software except OTA.

How's the weather up there in Redmond, anyway?

Re:Too much lockdown! (4, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998054)

I haven't missed that point. My point is, maybe it's not good that Apple is all of hardware company, software company and a marketplace, having vested interest in locking down their devices, locking down their software, and strictly controlling all of it via their App Store (which generates them even more money)

MS develops the OS and lets other companies to develop the hardware, and then lets other developers to freely develop application and games for it. In my point of view, that is more open, free and better environment.

Re:Too much lockdown! (4, Insightful)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998180)

Yes, MS is a software company... and yet, they don't lock down any of the software options within their operating systems.

Yet, when you run their operating systems (including mobile variants of windows), in any form, MS does not prevent you from using a competitor's software within that OS. Apple, however does restrict you.

If Apple is a "hardware" company, then why do they restrict competing applications.

Because they are not a hardware company, they are either a package company - wanting to sell you on the whole deal, hardware and software, or they are a PR company, more concerned with convincing you to buy something, than with the actual nature product. It depends on your view of the company as to which category fits them best...

Re:Too much lockdown! (4, Insightful)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998252)

You've completely missed the point that Apple is a hardware company, whereas MS is a software company. Of course MS doesn't try to lock you out of "their devices" since the devices aren't MS's in the first place. You can "install anything you want" on OS X, and there are plenty of other phones that are locked down--heck, my Motorola phones were MORE locked down than any iPhone, since there was no way to install software except OTA.

How's the weather up there in Redmond, anyway?

If Apple is a hardware company what do they have to gain from banning Opera, Firefox, Chrome and political apps that Steve doesn't like from the iPhone and iPad? It's all about control and that nice 30% forcible cut of every non free app.

We're talking about the iPad too, which is being hailed as a tablet computer, not phone. The point is that MS could've locked developers out of MS-DOS and Windows by banning competing applications and those that 'duplicate functionality' or leeched off them by forcibly taking 30% of cost of AutoCAD etc.

It's funny you call him a paid shill while being ready to whore for free.

Re:Too much lockdown! (5, Insightful)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998160)

There is no way the iPhone app model will be used in OS X - just what evidence do you have that it will? Apple released a slew of new OSS features in Snow Leopard, with GCD and OpenCL being chief among them, and have encouraged developers to use them. Why do that if they are going to limit OS X?

The iPhone and iPad are designed around a different software model, to be more like appliances - it doesn't mean OS X will go this way, not even "likely" - I would put a [citation needed] response on that one, it is so absurd.

As to taking "many months" to get your app on the store... again, [citation needed].

How long does it take to get an app into the iTunes App Store? While we’ve seen some estimates of up to 20 days to have your app approved, we’ve had apps accepted in as few as five.

from my first google hit: http://mashable.com/2009/06/10/build-iphone-app/ [mashable.com]

If you do not like Apple's model, you are free to *not buy into it* and instead buy an Android device, or some other competing product. It's not like Apple are the only player here. There are many ways to skin a cat, and Apple's "one gatekeeper" approach works extremely well for them, and no one is forcing you to take part (unless you want an iPhone, but want to do something else with it, but then... why buy the iPhone in the first place - buy a Nexus One or something).

Let me just repeat - Apple's model for OS X is totally, completely separate from the iPhone. They are not going to put iPhone OS on Macs and control the software you use on it. All evidence so far suggests they are in fact, opening up OS X a little more than before, starting at an OSS level for some of their new core technologies rather than opening them up later (or keeping them closed source), they support the installation of pretty much anything you can port over, and they don't make it difficult - the dev tools are free, and they provide an X window system if you don't want to (or can't due to various reasons) rewrite the UI to be native. They have a thriving third party commercial software industry going, much like Windows does, and there is no reason to change that.

By your logic, the Xbox OS is pretty locked up, so that must mean that "the next version of windows" is "likely" to be all closed up as well, with MS having to approve all software you install on it, and only being able to buy apps for Windows via Xbox Live, right? Seems very likely.

Re:Too much lockdown! (4, Interesting)

billcopc (196330) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998796)

That's real cute, but what irks me, as an iPhone user, is that this fancy shmancy app submission process does nothing to ensure quality. Every goddamned week I see hundreds of those "daily babe" apps, all seemingly made by the same 3rd-world developer slapping new pics on his 99 cent app. You're trying to convince me someone actually reviews these submissions ? If I want suggestive imagery on my iphone, I can get them off the web like everyone else, no need for a freaking ad-riddled app.

The app store review process is all about Apple's selfish interests. It offers a false air of legitimacy to any apps hosted therein, and by that sole trait I consider it a fraud.

Re:Too much lockdown! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30998302)

But Apple definitely is a problem here. They're blatantly restricting everything you can install on iPhone and iPad and need to buy all the software from their App Store.

Both iPad and Andriod/ChromeOS have the ability to restrict your from modifying the OS or running unauthorized programs. The only difference is that iPad ships with this in the 'on' position and ChromeOS in the 'off' position. ChromeOS has built-in support for detecting tampering and re-imaging itself. Google can flip that switch at any time to 'on' and lock you out of your computer.

Suppose Google, once ChromeOS achieves ubiquity, flips the lockout switch to 'on'. Being open source means it has fewer bugs, so fewer opportunities for the community to jailbreak the device. Being open source doesn't help you, because the hardware won't let you run your modified version that you control.

And all Google has to do is subsidize ChromeOS-only products so that they cost much less (just like Microsoft and Intel have done to maintain markets). Sure, a manufacturer could make a hardware that didn't enforce ChromeOS so you could run your ChromiumOS, but if the cost to the buyer is $300 instead of $100 with subsidies then few will buy that version. So nobody will even make that version, even without exclusive or other shady contracts.

Apple is being completely up-front in what they are doing. Google is saying 'trust us, we are not nor ever will be evil'. Microsoft is saying 'just pay us some money for each new computer and then you can do whatever you want'. That Microsoft is clearly the good guy here is pretty sad.

Re:Too much lockdown! (2, Interesting)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998736)

Apple is being completely up-front in what they are doing. Google is saying 'trust us, we are not nor ever will be evil'. Microsoft is saying 'just pay us some money for each new computer and then you can do whatever you want'. That Microsoft is clearly the good guy here is pretty sad.

I'm just wondering if the money gained from the crapware that is installed on new computers is enough of a subsidy to offset the Microsoft tax.

For example, if Microsoft charges OEMs $50, but the OEMs also manage to get $50 from crapware installers, then it's a wash when you buy a laptop and wipe it down. If on the other hand, the manufacturer only gets $10 for the crapware, you're out $40.

The ideal situation would be where the manufacturer gets MORE for the crapware than it costs them for the Windows license - then crapware software manufacturers who target Windows are subsidizing your switch to linux.

Re:Too much lockdown! (1)

itsdapead (734413) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998652)

Now I don't understand where Google comes with this, since as I understand you're allowed to run anything you want on Android.

Chrome is Google's PC/Mac/Linux Browser.

Android is Google's phone OS.

ChromeOS is Google's new idea - its a stripped down Linux-based OS that only runs the Chrome browser. The idea is that you run everything via the "cloud" - if you want to write an app for ChromeOS you write it in AJAX and stick it on a server (which means it will most likely run just as happily on the iPad, Android or a PC running Chrome browser). Of course, Google would prefer you to use Google's cloud apps, and the first thing ChromeOS asks you to do is to sign in to Google - but I haven't heard any suggestion that its going to be locked to that.

At some point this will most likely be true for OS X too - maybe even on the next major version.

Citation needed.

Its not impossible but it would basically equate to Apple walking away from the general-purpose PC market, and conceeding a big chunk of their Mac sales to Windows. Now, selling OS X Apps through iTunes sounds like a logical next step - but lockdown would be a major and very, very risky U-turn.

If Mac sales were flagging, I could imagine Apple dumping the Mac range and switching entirely to "appliances" like the iPod/Pad/Phone - but AFIAK Macs are still gaining market share.

What interests me is that nobody rails against the broadly similar system in the Games Console market (developers need to be licensed; sellers of mod chips get sued to a smoking hole in the ground; if you "jailbreak" your console and it breaks you get to keep both pieces...)

Re:Too much lockdown! (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997568)

Maybe it's because it is in the video (which I can't view at work)...but where are you seeing lockdown with this device? From what I read in TFA, I didn't see anything that implied you would be restricted to Google-approved programs...

Re:Too much lockdown! (1)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998720)

It's the same wankery that everyone got up to about the iPad. Might even be the same people.

Basically, Chrome OS devices are not meant as general purpose computing devices, they are meant as information appliances. Same concept as the line of Apple iDevices, different execution. The people who complain miss the point, deliberately or no.

Some people just have the opinion that they are entitled to everything being how they want, and they bitch a lot when they don't get it. That's life, I guess.

Re:Too much lockdown! (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997674)

Assuming they follow a similar plan to the Android phones, I don't see a problem. I can install any software I want on my phone (Settings->Applications->Unknown Sources), including overwriting the operating system. There are certain kinds of programs that I agreed not to run when I signed up with my service provider, but that doesn't have anything to do with the device.

Re:Too much lockdown! (2, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997740)

I do hate the full integration with Google accounts and services though, I don't want to login to my Google account just to use my phone (and save all the information and possibly GPS position and so on at Google's servers). I can just boot my Windows Mobile, type PIN and it doesn't try to integrate me in to any other bullshit or be in constant contact with MS servers.

Yeah you could get the source, but it's pain in the ass to set up the environment and even then you don't have the drivers and stuff for your phone, so it's pretty much out of the question.

Re:Too much lockdown! (0)

bonch (38532) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998218)

What nerds don't get is that most people don't care about "user's freedom." They're happy to buy a controlled but stable device that lets them browse the web.

Do you add and remove components of your car's dashboard? Do you drive a stick-shift, or do you let the computer in the car change gears for you?

Re:Too much lockdown! (3, Informative)

ink (4325) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998518)

What nerds don't get is that most people don't care about "user's freedom." They're happy to buy a controlled but stable device that lets them browse the web.

AppleTV failed because it wasn't open; it can only play content from the iTunes store, or painstakingly transcoded files. People would rather use devices that are convenient, which implies a certain amount of give and take with the user's needs (see XBox 360 and the PS3). People will want to listen to Pandora while using other applications, and if the iPhone/iPad OS4 still has a single-tasking mentality, it will be fundamentally broken, just like AppleTV is. Ditto with receiving instant messages while playing a game or browsing the web; OS3 can only do that on the 3G network. The iPhone was enough of a revolution for people to see past these faults (heck, I own one); but when the competition starts in earnest Apple will need to adjust.

People aren't as stupid as you seem to believe.

Re:Too much lockdown! (1)

glebovitz (202712) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998336)

At least in the locked down device market there is going to be some competition.

Steve Jobs may call the Google "Don't be Evil" mantra bullshit, but I don't see anything evil in a little market competition.

iPad buzz? (4, Interesting)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997280)

I haven't seen any actual buzz, as in people genuinely talking about it.

I have see, press releases, astro-turfing, slashvertisements, and spam.

Re:iPad buzz? (2, Insightful)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997360)

My wife just sent me an e-mail today saying everybody is asking her about the iPad, especially about how the wireless works. She works in a non-tech environment, so a tablet with a simplified OS is probably the perfect thing for most of them. They know I'm a Mac user, so they always ask her Mac related questions to relate to me.

Re:iPad buzz? (0, Troll)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997480)

Well obviously the hardcore fanboys lapped up the apple PR, but most people, including hitler [youtube.com] were pretty underwhelmed.

Re:iPad buzz? (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998200)

Well obviously the hardcore fanboys lapped up the apple PR, but most people, including hitler were pretty underwhelmed.

I was pretty underwhelmed as well, which is why I have no intention of buying one.

Re:iPad buzz? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30998490)

Thanks for letting us know.

Re:iPad buzz? (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997708)

lots of people have interest in the ipad, but that doesn't mean purchasing or even positive interest. Just "hmm, something interesting from apple - lets look up more info".

This is a result of the hype and the ipad underwhelming in general.

Re:iPad buzz? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30998590)

"My wife just sent me an e-mail today saying everybody is asking her about the iPad"

Maybe her coworkers were just out of tampons

Re:iPad buzz? (1)

uncanny (954868) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997548)

they were talking about it on Bob&Tom before it was even premiered, and now they talk about it a bunch. They dont even know anything about it, but it's "shiny object" appeal has already won them over! Unfortunately they have a nationwide audience.

A Marketing Shark Feeding Frenzy (5, Funny)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997570)

the iPad could have serious competition

Once Apple has figured out to whom this is being marketing.

The whole Apple-Yahoo-MS-Google circle jerk posturing is delirious. If next week Steve Jobs called a press conference and sliced his dick off with a silver scalpel in a room full of stunned reporters, I have no doubt that -- not to be outdone -- Sergey Brin would cut off his with a chainsaw on nation-wide TV seven days later.

And no one in the tech punditry -- all happy just to have jobs and something to write about besides the latest PC graphics card -- would question *WHY* these idiots are emasculating themselves, they'd just write tedious "thought" pieces contrasting the metaphors of Job's elegant, shiny castration versus Brin's use of loud horsepower.

Re:A Marketing Shark Feeding Frenzy (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997652)

And no one in the tech punditry -- all happy just to have jobs and something to write about besides the latest PC graphics card -- would question *WHY* these idiots are emasculating themselves, they'd just write tedious "thought" pieces contrasting the metaphors of Job's elegant, shiny castration versus Brin's use of loud horsepower.

I think they would do it for the lulz...at least I hope so, because that's what they would be providing. In excess.

Re:A Marketing Shark Feeding Frenzy (1)

aicrules (819392) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998442)

I think you overestimate how elegant a castration via scalpel would be. Sure the initial incision would be a bit more subtle, but the time it would take once more gristly bits were reached and the added effort needed to make it through would surely be equally as gruesome. In fact the idea of it makes me shudder blech...

it's a TRAP! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30998816)

It's a well-guarded secret that Jobs has been a nullo since the cancer surgery. Any such public emasculation would obviously a trap to trick others into emulating him.


Mac OS X, derived from eunuchs

Re:iPad buzz? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30997798)

LOL, just because you don't see talk about the iPad on slashNOT doesn't mean it isn't happening. This is the same site that denigrated the original iPod as an also ran. You people are imbeciles when it comes to predicting what technology is good and what technology is popular. For the love of christ, I still see you losers talking about Linux on the desktop. ROTFLMAO.

Re:iPad buzz? (1)

severoon (536737) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998740)

The buzz is: that's buzz. (The economy's not doing so hot, so marketing folks will take what they can get.)

Re:iPad buzz? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30998902)

oooooh, Apple has a product and Google has a 3D rendering...oooohhhh

Oh boy more marketing! (4, Insightful)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997308)

In response to Apple's iPad announcement, Google proved that it could draw a tablet and post it on the web.

My point being that maybe there is something more interesting than tablets. We already know that we'll see a fresh batch of articles on tablets / iPad in about 60 days.

Re:Oh boy more marketing! (2, Funny)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997896)

I'm shocked that the ChromeOS shown in the animation has such rich multitasking. They're really aiming high with this one.

Ugh, another virtual keyboard... (2, Interesting)

fatherjoecode (1725040) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997344)

I hate virtual keyboards. The other touch sensitive concepts are cool, but I'm a touch typist and to have to use a virtual keyboard is the pits.

Re:Ugh, another virtual keyboard... (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997448)

So why do you care enough comment on a form factor that doesn't have a physical keyboard?

There are plenty of devices with keyboards and they aren't going away.

Re:Ugh, another virtual keyboard... (5, Funny)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998046)

Why do you care enough to respond to a post that you disagree with?

There are plenty of people you are going to disagree with and they aren't going away.

Re:Ugh, another virtual keyboard... (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998890)

I don't disagree. In fact I like physical keyboards over large touch screens. I just don't see the "have to use" part as making sense.

And you messed up the analogy. Mine was X and !X, yours is X and X and hence makes absolutely no sense.

Re:Ugh, another virtual keyboard... (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997490)

I agree with you, I despise virtual keyboards. In fact, the lack of a physical keyboard is the primary thing that prevented me from buying an iPhone (I have an HTC Ozone).

That being said, this is a Tablet...it isn't supposed to have an actual keyboard -_-;;

Re:Ugh, another virtual keyboard... (1)

just_another_sean (919159) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997840)

It's better then a stylus though. I have an HP tc1100 and while it has a detachable keyboard I
tend to use it without that. Almost everything I need to do is fine because I generally just
use it for reading but at those odd times when I want to do something on it that requires
typing, and I'm too lazy to get up and find the keyboard, I would rather use something like the
v-keyboard in the video then the tiny on screen keyboard and stylus combo.

Re:Ugh, another virtual keyboard... (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998618)

And I hate physical keyboards on devices where the keys are so small my finger covers five at a time. I hate the wasted real-estate that could've instead been used for a bigger screen, and therefore a bigger screen-keyboard with almost proper-sized key-contact-patches.

I hate them even more when they waste space making a "full" qwerty keyboard half the size of a deck of cards. I'm a touch-typist, and such things feel like a cruel joke at my expense. If you must have a physical keyboard of that size, put some UI research into making one with decent-sized keys, perhaps a chorded setup. People can learn to play the guitar in a month, they can learn to type on a chorded keyboard, too.

Touch-typing is about muscle memory, which you can't possibly have transferred from a full-sized keyboard to a phone-sized or book-sized device (and which in my experience actually does transfer pretty well to screen keyboards if they're big enough and not oriented vertically). If there is a new device that touch typing would make sense on, that doesn't mean that qwerty touch-typing is the answer: there may also be a new layout and style of touch-typing that makes more sense for the form factor, like the aforementioned chorded keyboard.

So you can take your old-man "I don't want anything different" whining and buy one of the billions of physical key devices that are constantly being excreted onto the market by unimaginative cost-cutters like RIM. Let there be a few devices that cater to those of us who are willing to try new UI vocabularies and evaluate them on their own merits.

Thanks Marketing! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30997368)

You can suggest that a 10" screen is optimal all you want, a tablet that is 8.5x11 inches is optimal.

Re:Thanks Marketing! (1, Informative)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997592)

You can suggest that a 10" screen is optimal all you want, a tablet that is 8.5x11 inches is optimal.

How about legal-format size - 8.5 x 14 (a 17" laptop is 9 x 14.5) - turn it sideways and it's almost perfect for hd widescreen format viewing without letterboxing. More than one person can look at it at a time, any virtual keyboard could be almost full-sized, and still leave more half the screen in landscape mode, more room for heat dissipation through the housing, for a webcam, usb connectors, flash card readers, multiple hard drives, a real multi-tasking operating system and all the other things the iTampon doesn't have.

THAT would sell.

The pictures show a hovering tablet.. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30997370)

.. top that, Apple!
Lenovo already has [metacafe.com] .

multiple windows (1)

hey (83763) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997394)

The video shows 2 windows open. Probably best not to have multiple apps sharing the same screen.

Re:multiple windows (1)

abigsmurf (919188) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997616)

This is actually an area where they could take a cue from Windows (specifically 7). The 'drag to top to maximise' etc. window shortcuts seem to be something designed to make handling windows in a touch screen a lot less cumbersome.

Google has gadget envy... again.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30997420)

Once again Google is trying to play catch up with Apple.. and if it's anything like the Android it will once again be a total waste of time.. It's interesting to see how badly a company ran for and by technology orientated people does in comparison to a company ran by people orientated people.

Re:Google has gadget envy... again.. (1)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997582)

I'm more concerned that Google is becoming a "jack of all trades and master of none".

Re:Google has gadget envy... again.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30997910)

Sorta like GNU/Linux?

Re:Google has gadget envy... again.. (2, Funny)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998734)

Sorta like GNU/Linux?

No.

"Linux" is a kernel. It does only one thing.

"GPL" is a license, it does only one thing.

"GNU/Linux" is a fabrication of RMS that has a single task of giving the GNU foundation the illusion of being directly involved with the kernel development.

Monster screen size in the video! (5, Insightful)

KanadaKid19 (886639) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997432)

The article says 5"-10" screen size is ideal for Chrome OS, then they go and show a video with what looks like what, a 30" screen? The reality distortion field has spread, and it stretches rulers now too!

Re:Monster screen size in the video! (1)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998278)

I would argue that their video shows something closer to a 20" screen, and such a size might be optimal for what I'd want.

Now picture this.. a low-horsepower tablet that is convertible into a wireless LCD touch-screen monitor for your high-horsepower desktop computer.

Jeff Han (1)

copponex (13876) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998304)

Jeff Han did this four years ago:
http://www.ted.com/talks/jeff_han_demos_his_breakthrough_touchscreen.html [ted.com]

He now has a company spun off from his research at NYU:
http://www.perceptivepixel.com/ [perceptivepixel.com]

I'll use this opportunity to make a larger point: you're not going to get much progress out of the corporate game of developing a product. The difference is in these two questions:

1. What is possible to sell?

2. What is possible?

Re:Monster screen size in the video! (3, Funny)

proxy318 (944196) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998676)

no, that was a 10" screen, they just had a 2' tall person demonstrating it.

Older Systems (1)

MonsterTrimble (1205334) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997456)

Am I the only one that is chomping at the bit to play with Chrome OS on an older (5-10+ years) system? I have Lubuntu on my old P3 and it flies - relatively speaking.

Not sure if I care (2, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997496)

I realize this entire discussion will probably devolve into a GNU/Free versus Closed argument, or a Mac Lovers versus Mac Haters flamefest, but...

Having watched the demo video, I'm not convinced. This really just seems like another Tablet PC, except it's running Chrome OS instead of Windows XP. The demoed functionality is almost exactly like the application switcher that's available in both PC and Mac (alt+tab cmd+tab), and the resizing functions just use your fingers instead of a mouse pointer. Personally I think that's an issue - I'd rather use a mouse for most of that functionality.

I know there are some people that mock the iPad because it's not running a tablet-ized version of the full OS X; but when I see demos like this, it just reminds me of why Tablet PCs never escaped their niche. For a lot of typical desktop functionality, it is easier to use a mouse. There's no compelling reason making me wish to be able to do those exact same functions using my fingers. It's not that those Tablet PCs were running Windows - it's because they offered no compelling reason to exist for most of us!

Now, hopefully Google will have some additional tricks up its sleeve, and there'll be a reason to care beyond "it's running Linux". And I do believe competition is a rising tide that lifts all boats (yup, I'm pulling out the cliches now). But hopefully Google has studied the past and will try to look at why the Tablet PC never really made it, rather than just duplicate the same mistakes Microsoft made.

Re:Not sure if I care (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998358)

I think this is what both Apple and Google are doing. Apple could easily have released a tablet that ran retail OS X with some extra touch screen function built in, but they chose to scale up the iPhone/iPod Touch and go that way. I don;t know if it will be at all successful, but I think it has more of a chance than if it was a tablet with a desktop OS running on it - there are a fair number of those already, and they're hardly setting the world on fire. They are very useful in niche markets, but beyond that are pretty limited.

The iPhone has been a big success for Apple, and I imagine that the thinking went "people really like it but wish they had a bigger screen for reading the news or watching a film when they're at home on the couch, the iPhone is great for them on the train, but they want it bigger for casual browsing on the couch or in bed".

If they can make a market just for that (and I think it is a little expensive at the moment to really be the thing you pick up when your iPhone is just a little too small and you wished you had a bigger screen), then it will sell quite well. I don't think it will be quite as successful as the phone, but I really can't tell - people said the Kindle would be a huge flop too and that is doing pretty nicely.

If it only works for education then it will be a worthwhile product: I would love a device that I could put all my textbooks onto, including my huge Organic Chemistry one that I could use to beat a whale to death, and be able to buy a latest edition, or perhaps even incrementally update my old editions with small downloads, and have more detailed diagrams and perhaps even videos and animations. Buy one at the start of your university course and get all your textbooks on it - it would be fabulous, even if I never used it for anything else, ever. (note, that it would not replace a computer - it would supplement it - I'm not going to be typing reports on the thing.)

Serious Competition (2, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997594)

Ok, when they have something more than entirely made up concept stuff, then we might be able to have a discussion about serious competition for a given product. Until then, it's made up shit. I can make a video of someone using a supercomputer the size of a wrist watch, if I want - until it's actually made, however, it's just concept art.

Must have apps. (3, Insightful)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997720)

Web apps just don't cut it Google. Apple found that out with the iPhone, Palm has learned that with the Pre. People want to have stuff that runs even when there is no internet even if it is just a game.
We also want to carry some media with us so if we are stuck on a plane with no WiFi or anyplace with no WiFi or 3G we can watch or listen to something.
Stop working on the Chrome OS and improve Android or just go right to a tablet Linux.

Re:Must have apps. (1)

argent (18001) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998012)

Absolutely. If I can't use it when I'm in a lab at work (electrically noisy racks)... or for that matter a restroom near it... I'm not going to buy into it.

You can't do EVERYTHING in the cloud. The whole idea is so 1974.

Re:Must have apps. (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998158)

Re:Must have apps. (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998858)

Still limited to Javascript+Html. Actually they are dropping Gears and going to HTML 5 which is supposed to have some kind of storage model.

Just limiting it to a single language is bad enough but Javascript?

Re:Must have apps. (1)

jo42 (227475) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998936)

In case you haven't heard, Google has deprecated Gears in favor of the HTML5 wunderkind.

Re:Must have apps. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30998886)

That is because they never had the brains that Google had to actually make web apps work.
More and more Google "Apps" are becoming offline-enabled, either via Google Gears or native HTML5.
Offline Applications section of HTML5 is pretty thorough, and incredibly simple to setup. Even IE has some support for it now.

No competition (1)

dokebi (624663) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997790)

Ok, so iPad isn't even out yet, but google still feels threatened enough to put out a hastly put together "concept art" as a "demo". Sheesh.

One thing everyone seems to have missed about the iPad announcement is the fact that apple will have iWorks on it for $30. This has two implications:
1. Nobody else will write a full on office app for iPad.
2. Nobody will write a full office app for any other touch tablet.

Chew on that for a while.

Re:No competition (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998036)

I don't think I see how the second implication is being... implied?

If Open Office can run on Chrome - how hard would it be to make a tablet Port? Would those who write OO not be interested in this? Or whatabout our friends at Microsoft, who are giving away licenses for MS office in the hopes to keep their hold of office applications as tight as possible?

Re:No competition (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30998414)

Not to mention that KOffice is already running on the Nokia N900... I doubt it would be very hard to get it running on the gOOpAd. :>

Re:No competition (2, Insightful)

MindCrusher (1249502) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998132)

Ok, so iPad isn't even out yet, but google still feels threatened enough to put out a hastly put together "concept art" as a "demo". Sheesh.

On the original chromium page the video is listed as uploaded on the 25th of January. If I am not mistaken that is two days before Apple's iPad event.

Re:No competition (2, Insightful)

recoiledsnake (879048) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998410)

Ok, so iPad isn't even out yet, but google still feels threatened enough to put out a hastly put together "concept art" as a "demo". Sheesh.

One thing everyone seems to have missed about the iPad announcement is the fact that apple will have iWorks on it for $30. This has two implications:
1. Nobody else will write a full on office app for iPad.
2. Nobody will write a full office app for any other touch tablet.

Chew on that for a while.

Wrong on both counts. Well #1 is kind of true, but that's only because Apple bans competing applications. #2 is just plain wrong, because the full Office 2007 runs on touch tablets.

DVORAK support (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30997800)

I just hope they don't make the massive oversight that Apple did with the iPad: no DVORAK keyboard support. I realize that probably fewer than 1% of people will use it, but how long can it possibly take to program that feature in? 5, 10 minutes?

Re:DVORAK support (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998922)

How is not adding a feature that "fewer than 1% of people will use" (which I think is missing "significantly" at the beginning...) a massive oversight? It's an insignificant oversight, given your own numbers.

I'm just waiting for this (1)

killmenow (184444) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997832)

Notion Ink Adam [engadget.com]

Re:I'm just waiting for this (1)

Rockoon (1252108) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998436)

Ah yes..

There was once another computer named Adam. After release it quickly became known as Coleco's "Adam Bomb" ..

..and if you wanted to set your house on fire, all you had to do was put it into a long print cycle..

Feature wise (1)

hdd (772289) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997848)

We know it can ran from a flash drive, but does it actually support FLASH?

The IPad's going to have competition? (4, Funny)

eagee (1308589) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997890)

How could something no one wants to buy have competition?

Re:The IPad's going to have competition? (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30997986)

You mean like Flash and Silverlite?

Re:The IPad's going to have competition? (1)

eagee (1308589) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998110)

>

Well, give those a name so strikingly similar to a feminine hygiene product that even my nine year old makes the association, then only allow one instance of them at a time... wait no... no, only allow one instance of other stuff because those won't be supported, throw an ungainly dongle here and there, and then yes. Yes - that's exactly what I mean.

:)

fDros7 pist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30997962)

name on 7he jar of An arduous what they thi8k is mod points and

Yawn (1)

Angst Badger (8636) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998088)

Five to ten inches? Thanks, but I'll pass.

Is it just me, or is there anyone else out there who wants a big tablet instead of some small, sleek, fashionable, and largely useless piece of overpriced tech trinketry? At this point, I'm about to pick up an old Thinkpad on eBay and make one myself -- and still probably come out cheaper than the latest and greatest. And no, I don't need a touch screen. I'd be perfectly content to mount a few programmable keys down one side and the Trackpoint hardware on the other. All I want to do is be able to read PDFs in color and at a reasonable scale.

I can't wait... (1)

Graham J - XVI (1076671) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998154)

...to see the iPad haters explain why a tablet that only runs a browser is better than one that can run any of thousands of touch-designed apps.

Competition would be great (1)

paimin (656338) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998696)

Here's hoping that BOTH the iPad and the Chromepad are successful. A little competition here might actually make these devices pretty sweet.

Google Maps Mobile (1)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998774)

I've been playing with android-x86 on my eeepc. It's nice, but doesn't seem to have any applications.

Mostly I'm interested in getting Google Maps Mobile running on it... it's the only thing I really miss from having a Blackberry. Is there any way of getting Google Maps Mobile on a laptop / netbook?

I don't really care for an Android / iPhone / Blackberry / Symbian device and accompanying data plan just to get gmm going... it would be nice to get gmm running on a larger netbook running it and tether it to my existing data plan.

I've tried using Google Earth Plus in the past, and had it hooked up to a GPS... but it wasn't quite as useful... for one thing the zoom level was fixed to something inconvenient after each 1second GPS marker update :-/

Apple is doomed! (1)

Gilmoure (18428) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998800)

Hah! They're in the middle of their tablet disaster and meltdown and now here come Google. It's gonna' be Godzilla vs that fisherman guy on the beach outside of Tokyo. Or Bambi.

Stoopid Apple, they should never released a tablet now that Google has theirs out.

Digging out the old toy box (1)

kiehlster (844523) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998872)

I feel like this whole iPad business is just a regurgitation of an product we've seen on the markets for ages with comparatively less power between these new iterations of tablets and today's modern PCs and those tablets of yesterday compared to the modern PCs of that day. I'd be impressed if they had these new tablets running Crysis at 90fps, but that's impossible. This news has been like watching Steve Jobs go up to his attic and digging out something from the old toy box, dusting it off, and telling the world, "Hey, I just invented this." That followed shortly by everyone else doing the same thing.

What the tablet format needs... (4, Funny)

Geeky (90998) | more than 4 years ago | (#30998928)

I've been thinking about this tablet format, and I think it's got a few limitations.

For a start, you've got to hold it up or prop it against something while you use it. So, how's this for an idea... give it a hinged lid that can be used to protect the screen and as a stand when it's open. Better yet - if you've got the hinged bit at the front, why not put a physical keyboard in there to save screen space and for easier typing.

Wonder if anyone's come up with any products like that?

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