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Nexus One Update Fixes 3G, Adds Multitouch

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the incremental-is-not-a-bad-word dept.

Cellphones 174

snydeq writes "Google is pushing out an update for the Nexus One that will fix a 3G connectivity problem and add limited support for multitouch. After receiving over 1,500 messages in a support forum from people complaining about trouble connecting to 3G, Google said it has identified the problem and has started delivering the fix. In addition to fixing 3G, the update adds the first applications to support multitouch. While the recent versions of the Android OS include multitouch capability, no phone in the US has supported it."

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Come on Google (5, Funny)

goldaryn (834427) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016082)

I'm still waiting for the port of IE6..

Re:Come on Google (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31016396)

Parent is making a joke guys. They are actually stepping up the IE6 hunt at the moment, look at this email I got yesterday

Dear Google Apps admin,​

In order to continue to improve our products and deliver more sophisticated features and performance, we are harnessing some of the latest improvements in web browser technology. This includes faster JavaScript processing and new standards like HTML5. As a result, over the course of 2010, we will be phasing out support for Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 as well as other older browsers that are not supported by their own manufacturers.

We plan to begin phasing out support of these older browsers on the Google Docs suite and the Google Sites editor on March 1, 2010. After that point, certain functionality within these applications may have higher latency and may not work correctly in these older browsers. Later in 2010, we will start to phase out support for these browsers for Google Mail and Google Calendar.

Google Apps will continue to support Internet Explorer 7.0 and above, Firefox 3.0 and above, Google Chrome 4.0 and above, and Safari 3.0 and above.

Starting this week, users on these older browsers will see a message in Google Docs and the Google Sites editor explaining this change and asking them to upgrade their browser. We will also alert you again closer to March 1 to remind you of this change.

In 2009, the Google Apps team delivered more than 100 improvements to enhance your product experience. We are aiming to beat that in 2010 and continue to deliver the best and most innovative collaboration products for businesses.

Thank you for your continued support!

Re:Come on Google (1)

Meski (774546) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017224)

Lighten up, moderators. That's a funny, not a flamebait.

Re:Come on Google (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017658)

the mods are just jealous that he can play Duke Nukem Forever on his CowboyNealBox3

3G Fix? (0, Redundant)

bflong (107195) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016092)

> fix a 3G connectivity problem
So will it work on AT&T now? T-Mobile doesn't have crap anywhere near where I live.

Re:3G Fix? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31016144)

The radio doesn't support AT&T's 3G range. So, nope.

Re:3G Fix? (1)

bflong (107195) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016176)

Sorry, forgot /sarcasm on that post.

Re:3G Fix? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31016228)

It does make me wonder if it would just be cost prohibitively expensive to put in a radio that supports ALL used frequency band ranges. That way, you have a phone that will truly work on any network, with any provider, without having to buy a new handset.

Re:3G Fix? (5, Informative)

CaptKeen (92992) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017186)

It does make me wonder if it would just be cost prohibitively expensive to put in a radio that supports ALL used frequency band ranges. That way, you have a phone that will truly work on any network, with any provider, without having to buy a new handset.

I've heard rumor of a Qualcomm chip due out this summer that is supposed to support GSM, HSPA, HSPA+ and some CDMA stuff. A quick google turned up the following:

Qualcomm today updated its MDM family of cellular chipsets with some of the first anywhere to support dual, advanced 3G and 4G formats. The MSM7630 supports GSM, HSPA and HSPA+ standards but will also work on CDMA phone networks and support up to EVDO Revision B for 3G on those services. The addition would let a phone work on a CDMA carrier like Sprint or Verizon but still work with AT&T or T-Mobile and roam at speeds of up to 21Mbps on networks from Rogers, other international carriers, and eventually T-Mobile USA.

From http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/11/12/possible.verizon.iphone.candidates/ [electronista.com]

Re:3G Fix? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31017536)

Is the new 4g an actual standard that all of these carriers will use or will 4g be another mismash of frequencies and formats?

Re:3G Fix? (1)

CaptKeen (92992) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017692)

Is the new 4g an actual standard that all of these carriers will use or will 4g be another mismash of frequencies and formats?

No surprise here, but a mismash of frequencies and formats.

Re:3G Fix? (4, Funny)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016252)

Yes, those geniuses at google, wrote a piece of software that rerouted power form the rear deflectors to modulate the refresh rate of the lcd screen to emit an interference signal that modifies the TMobile compatible 3G signal from 1700 MHz for download and 2100 MHz for upload to the A&TT frequency of 1900 MHz. I'm just not sure what they're going to do to handle the excess tachyon radiation pressure on the the glass.

Re:3G Fix? (1, Redundant)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017220)

excess tachyon radiation pressure on the the glass.

You know, it's hard to take you seriously when you make such obvious grammatical errors.

Re:3G Fix? (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017522)

I disagree; I think its hard to take me seriously, period.

Re:3G Fix? (1)

cvtan (752695) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017284)

I was almost buying this until I saw "A&TT". At least you spelled the unit MHz correctly unlike my local utility that spells kWh as "KwH".

multitouch and Apple (2, Interesting)

sourcerror (1718066) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016102)

I've heard rumors, that the zooming gesture won't be officially supported, because it would violate Apple patents. Does anyone know anything about that?

Re:multitouch and Apple (1, Redundant)

goldaryn (834427) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016154)

I've heard rumors, that the zooming gesture won't be officially supported, because it would violate Apple patents. Does anyone know anything about that?

Well the Samsung Jet uses the same multitouch gesture (I'm pretty sure)

Re:multitouch and Apple (1)

goldaryn (834427) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016310)

Well the Samsung Jet uses the same multitouch gesture (I'm pretty sure)

Oops, you can mod me down again, I was talking out of my arse:

Breaking away from multi-touch zoom technology which requires the use of two fingers and two hands, Samsung Jet gives our consumers the ultimate in usability, portability and convenience through the brand-new concept - 'one finger zoom,' which enables one hand operation to zoom in and out. One finger zoom can be used not only for the Internet browser, but also for Photo browser and file viewer to see TXT, PDF and PPT files in four times bigger size - all just with one finger tip while you're on the move.

"One-handed browsing"... maybe I should get me one of those :-D

Re:multitouch and Apple (3, Informative)

ViViDboarder (1473973) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016190)

Rumors only so far. Apple hasn't sued Palm for it.

Re:multitouch and Apple (0, Troll)

goldaryn (834427) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016272)

I've heard rumors, that the zooming gesture won't be officially supported, because it would violate Apple patents. Does anyone know anything about that?

Rumors only so far. Apple hasn't sued Palm for it.

Perhaps, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't infringing

Re:multitouch and Apple (2, Funny)

Senjutsu (614542) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016494)

Perhaps, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't infringing

Yeah, I'm sure Apple's notoriously aggressive legal division is just being nice to Palm /sarcasm

Re:multitouch and Apple (4, Funny)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016602)

Maybe they're using Palm as a decoy. "C'mon Google. Dive on in. The water's fine...!" "Can we shoot them now?" "Wait for it. Waaaaait for it..."

Re:multitouch and Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31016804)

mod parent uppity up! =)

Re:multitouch and Apple (5, Informative)

tacroy (813477) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016276)

Mainly because Apple is violating tons of Palms patents and they don't want to wake that (IP) giant. http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/28/apple-vs-palm-the-in-depth-analysis/ [engadget.com]

Re:multitouch and Apple (1, Troll)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016408)

Mainly because Apple is violating tons of Palms patents and they don't want to wake that (IP) giant.

And your evidence of that is... what?

Re:multitouch and Apple (2, Interesting)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017174)

Let's see...

Palm has US Patent #7,268,775 [google.com] for dymanic screen brightness and #7,231,208 [google.com] for managing a phone call. Those are from the article that tacroy mentioned.

But also, remember that Palm has been making mobile devices since 1992. I'm sure they've got patents on quite a few things that Apple is using.

Re:multitouch and Apple (0, Troll)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017262)

Palm has US Patent #7,268,775 [google.com] for dymanic screen brightness and #7,231,208 [google.com] for managing a phone call. Those are from the article that tacroy mentioned.

Two patents isn't a "ton" and they have not been proven to be infringing.

But also, remember that Palm has been making mobile devices since 1992. I'm sure they've got patents on quite a few things that Apple is using.

That may very well be, but what I object to is people making statements as if they are outright facts, when no actual proof has been discovered.

The cited article was basically based on Palm trash-talking Apple. If Palm believes their patents are so strong, why didn't they just go ahead and sue?

The way these non-facts are presented as facts on slashdot is pretty annoying. It would be like if Steve Ballmer stated that using Linux caused cancer, and the next day posters on slashdot were stating that Linux causes cancer as a fact, just because Ballmer said it.

Re:multitouch and Apple (1)

tacroy (813477) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017352)

@dangitman There are more than 2 patents in the link I supplied, and it is suggested that there is a portfolio of many more. Also, there is commentary on how those patents are likely to be considered infringing. The facts I offer are in the linked article (written by lawyers who know quite a bit more about the issue than I) There are links to the actual patents, which I would consider facts. Granted we all know patent disputes are very interpretive (and are not "proven" to be infringing until tested in court)

Re:multitouch and Apple (1)

Meski (774546) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017280)

I'm sure Google could make life uncomfortable for Apple in just the same way, and no, I won't be your google bitch and find urls to prove this.

Re:multitouch and Apple (0, Troll)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017394)

Quite possibly they could - but until it gets decided by the courts, this is all just speculation. Which is what I have a problem with - stating speculation as facts. Had the poster said that Apple is potentially violating, or is accused of violating, that would be a different matter.

The double-standards around here are interesting, too. When SCO accused Linux of violating its patents, did slashdotters immediately start stating that Linux users are patent violators as fact? Or did they go on about how patents are evil and should be stopped?

Re:multitouch and Apple (1)

Ohrion (814105) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017510)

How much do patents weigh? I'm trying to figure out how many patents are in a ton.

Re:multitouch and Apple (1)

tacroy (813477) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017630)

Wish i could mod you up...

Re:multitouch and Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31017904)

Long ton or short ton? Or metric ton? Did you try google? You can put in "1 patent in tons" and see what google math says. oh, and it depends on whether they are a troll or not - troll patents weigh more (at least they weigh more heavily on the legal system).

Re:multitouch and Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31018116)

Depends how big you are when their crushing weight is applied.

Re:multitouch and Apple (5, Informative)

unix1 (1667411) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017144)

That's because they know they'll lose.

Here's Apple's "multi-touch" patent [uspto.gov] .
Date filed: July 3, 2006

Here's Jeff Han demonstrating multi-touch interface [ted.com] in Feb. 2006 that he had been working on. Pinch and zoom? Gestures? Multiple fingers/hands? It's all there. You can tell he didn't come up with that overnight.

Looks like someone at Apple noticed his or similar technology/research and said - hey, this hasn't been patented yet!

Give props to the USPTO and the patent system, as usual.

Re:multitouch and Apple (1)

jmac1492 (1036880) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017858)

Microsoft uses the same zoom gesture in the Zune HD.

Re:multitouch and Apple (1)

rm999 (775449) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016530)

I have heard something similar, but I think it's more complex than a single court case (which is peanuts to these 100+ billion dollar companies; Google could drag that case out and retaliate with their own lawsuits). Worst-case scenario - things go back to the way they were. What's the harm in trying? I believe it was more like Apple saying "if you guys infringe on our multitouch patents it will permanently hurt our relationship". At this point, Google's relationship with Apple is already strained; they now believe they more to gain than to lose.

Both Google and Apple realize how valuable multitouch is - I personally would rather not switch away from having pinch-to-zoom in my applications, especially maps and the web browser.

Re:multitouch and Apple (1)

initialE (758110) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017014)

I don't think Apple owns the patent on "zooming". It is prominently featured on the Microsoft Surface, HP coffee table, and an early concept multitouch screen.

Re:multitouch and Apple (1)

initialE (758110) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017050)

Here we are, all the way from 2006 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPwaUp4gepU [youtube.com]
You might notice that nearly every feature they conceived was picked up by the major vendors and implemented as though it was their own idea.

Re:multitouch and Apple (1)

Froomb (100183) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017302)

How about Patent 7,479,949 [uspto.gov] (358 pages) granted to Apple on January 20, 2009, which contains language such as:

"In some embodiments, a multi-finger de-pinching gesture magnifies the image 1606 by a variable amount in accordance with the position of the multi-finger de-pinching gesture and the amount of finger movement in the multi-finger de-pinching gesture. In some embodiments, a multi-finger pinching gesture demagnifies the image 1606 by a variable amount in accordance with the position of the multi-finger pinching gesture and the amount of finger movement in the multi-finger pinching gesture."

IANAL, but almost certainly prior art was considered at every stage of the drafting and granting of this patent. IMO those who cavalierly invoke early versions of multitouch technology as inherently rendering such a patent invalid have the burden of proof to demonstrate their case.

Re:multitouch and Apple (1)

initialE (758110) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017374)

Can someone with an idea comment on this? It's clear - the patent does seem to cover this gesture, but it's also clear that prior art is trivial to locate. The patent was filed in September 2006, the youtube video is from February 2006 (and presumably, the implementation should have been around for much longer)

Re:multitouch and Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31017166)

Apple can bite me.

Re:multitouch and Apple (1)

Aranykai (1053846) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017346)

Its a rumor. HTC android devices support it on our apps and web browser. The only app that doesn't support it is google maps. /HTC Hero owner

OLD News (-1, Offtopic)

adeelarshad82 (1482093) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016112)

seriously slashdot? you're gonna feed us with news that is almost two days old now.

Re:OLD News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31016284)

You were expecting cutting-edge news on slashdot? You must be new here.

Re:OLD News (2, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016352)

Shut. Up.

No one cares, and not everyone is on top of every single tech story ever single day. /. is no exception. In fact the whole concept is to talk abouit event in the news, so naturally you read about it after it has been in the news.
This has always been the case....except for spoiling TV shows, THAT they put on the front page immediately after it showing regardless of time zones.

Bastards.

No Love Down Under (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31016142)

If anyone from google reads this please speed up the release of the Nexus One in Australia. We can't handle the wait!

Re:No Love Down Under (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31016502)

It was reported that Vodafone had the job in all European territories, but nothing announced as yet :(

Whoops! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31016148)

All the iPhone fanboys based all their criticism on the lack of multitouch. Now they've got nothing to stand on.

3G (4, Funny)

Cro Magnon (467622) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016170)

The good news is, Google has fixed the 3G problems. The bad news is, the fix is going out via the 3G network.

Re:3G (5, Interesting)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016318)

I worked at a place that had an automated system that sent out an email when the email went down.
I shit you not. They paid 50K for that system.
When the email system ent down, as they alld o from time to time, the executive called me out on the rug in front of his peers and asked me:

"Why shouldn't I fire you for the system alert failure?"
To which I said:
"You were the person that bought a system to alert us via email when the email system failed. Maybe you should be fired?"
Later he came to my office and fired me. After he smugly said I was fired, I asked him to wait a minute. I picked up the phone, made one phone call, and had a new job. I got up, took my check and left. Everyone else in the office was just laughing.
I later heard that the executive was released to look into other opportunities.

1999 was a good year.
Crazy days

Re:3G (1)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017250)

I have a similar tale: some 13-14 years ago I was working for this small system integrator. We had a frame-relay connection to the 'net. Then one day we didn't. People were upset and the burden of fixing the problem fell on engineering (me and my colleague). After mucking around our Cirsco router we concluded that there's something wrong downstream, and called the provider. After navigating the famous support maze, we finally were told that a lightning has knocked off one of their major nodes. To "And when were you going to inform us about this?" we got an angry answer "But sir, this has been on our website for hours!"

Re:3G (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017690)

heh. Yeah, I love when support for a down system relies on the system. I do emergency response, and I see people wanting to do that all the time.

Re:3G (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31017922)

It sounds like the system was installed incorrectly. Of course it should use the primary system to send e-mails out if that primary system is down.

A problem that I'm having right now is that I left a company two years ago, and I still receive e-mails on my cell phone every time their e-mail server goes down.

HTC Hero (2, Informative)

Kotoku (1531373) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016226)

My Sprint HTC Hero phone uses multi-touch in the browser. Same pinch gestures the iPod Touch had me accustomed to. :)

Re:HTC Hero (1)

Aranykai (1053846) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017368)

Yep, thanks to HTC we got that. The only app we don't have it on is Google Maps.

LOL. Or you could just buy an iPhone! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31016384)

Let's see, buy a Nexus One and get a niche phone that does nothing but copy the existing features of the iPhone, but with fewer applications and almost no developer support, or just buy an iPhone.... what to do what to do...

Re:LOL. Or you could just buy an iPhone! (4, Interesting)

Liquidrage (640463) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016508)

FYI

The voice searching is better integrated with android. The free turn by turn navigation is better then the $100 version on the iPhone. It can do multitasking. It doesn't lock you out of basic system functionality.

And the android market is booming and going to pass apple's in total apps pretty soon. Not that I really care. There's already an "app for that' on both marketplaces. The once difference is there's things android will let you do that apple won't. So really, there's an "app for that" applies better to android.

Not sure where you opinion came from, but it's not reality.

Re:LOL. Or you could just buy an iPhone! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31016826)

Not sure where you opinion came from, but it's not reality.

The reality is that none of the Android based phones are very good. Almost all of them have mediocre hardware and a slow bug-ridden user interface. The iPhone, N900 and even several Windows Mobile based phones are superior in almost every conceivable way.

Re:LOL. Or you could just buy an iPhone! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31017124)

Nope.

Re:LOL. Or you could just buy an iPhone! (2, Interesting)

Lifyre (960576) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017150)

Just out of curiostiy have you managed to put you iPhone down long enough to USE an Android phone? I bought my Eris less than a month ago and fail to see any validity to your position that isn't caused by the App not the OS. Of course I have a faster CPU than the iPhone 3GS, a replaceable battery, and can switch back and forth between 3G and 1x seemlessly (something the iPhone fails at consistently with Edge and 3G). Does the iPhone have an SD (or other) slot yet?

Of course Google now owns a little bit more of my soul but at least they don't force me to put blinders on.

Re:LOL. Or you could just buy an iPhone! (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017334)

The only issue hardware wise I have with the Nexus One, is that it doesn't have a physical keypad. I got the G1 when it came out because I was already on T-Mobile, and the software platform is much more open. When the followup to the Droid or N1 come out available on T-Mobile with a Physical keypad, I'm planning on getting one. As to the iPhone, I have the same issues that stopped me from getting an N1, or a Droid. 1. no physical keypad. 2. I have no intention of switching carriers. Add to that the fact that I don't want an app store, or platform that says I can't install what *I* want.

Then again I'm not most people. Also, I wouldn't even compare any Windows Mobile phone to a Droid or N1 in terms of usability. I haven't used an N900, but have used/played with iPhone and iPod Touch devices.

Re:LOL. Or you could just buy an iPhone! (1)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017684)

The Droid does have a physical keyboard. The Motorola Milestone is a GSM version of the Droid, but I doubt it'll work with T-Mobile's 3G.

I switched to T-Mobile to get a G1, and as soon as my contract is up, I'm switching elsewhere. Their coverage is acceptable where I live (3G is spotty but covers most of the city), but they have zero coverage at my mom's house.

Re:LOL. Or you could just buy an iPhone! (1)

RoccamOccam (953524) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017962)

I really love my N900. Give it a try.

Re:LOL. Or you could just buy an iPhone! (1)

revlayle (964221) | more than 4 years ago | (#31018186)

FYI - you do NOT have to install apps from the Market on an android phone, you can turn on a setting to allow installation of packages from other-than-Market sources. Any .APK file can be downloaded and installed then... of course, at your own risk.

Re:LOL. Or you could just buy an iPhone! (1)

Liquidrage (640463) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017504)

Right. There's a thing called a droid. And a thing called a Nexus one. You should try either of them before writing that. Oh, they happen to be the only phones (as of now) running 2.0+
A droid and an iPhone have similar hardware except the droid screen blows the iPhone screen out of the water. It isn't in close. And the Nexus one has superior hardware in almost every way.

Re:LOL. Or you could just buy an iPhone! (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017722)

G1 is running 2.0+

Re:LOL. Or you could just buy an iPhone! (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017698)

It's easy to lie as AC, isn't it?

Re:LOL. Or you could just buy an iPhone! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31017984)

It must be a lie because it doesn't mirror your exact opinion right? Outside of a few sites like Slashdot, Android phones have almost universally received mediocre reviews scores.

Re:LOL. Or you could just buy an iPhone! (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017200)

It's only the same as all the flip side arguments about blatantly false or pure opinion-posted-as-fact from people who hate the iPhone.

The truth is, of course, somewhere in the middle.

Re:LOL. Or you could just buy an iPhone! (1)

prockcore (543967) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017694)

Plus the resolution of the Droid is astounding. The horizontal resolution is the same as the vertical resolution of the iphone. You literally can display 2 iphone screens side-by-side on the Droid.

Re:LOL. Or you could just buy an iPhone! (1)

Mark19960 (539856) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016580)

Troll much?
There are 500 apps on the apple store that do the same thing.
It's not as bad on the android market but anything you can find on the apple store I can probably find something that does the same thing on the android market.

Oh.. let's see I already did this with someone I know, matching apps on the apple store with the android market.... aww shucks.
For all of his paid for apps I found free ones to boot....

Re:LOL. Or you could just buy an iPhone! (1)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016854)

You do realise that the Iphone is a niche phone too?</Nokia user>

And yes, Nokia and everyone else were doing those features long before Apple joined the party late.

Re:LOL. Or you could just buy an iPhone! (1)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017392)

I have an iphone. I live in a major city. Its using Edge 50% of the time and about 20% of the time I use 3G, I get a long pause, then it drops to EDGE. If you think only tmobile and Nexus have reception issues then youre pretty ignorant of how smartphones work and shouldnt be giving advice to anyone.

So my droid that does multitouch (4, Funny)

Liquidrage (640463) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016420)

doesn't support multitouch? Should I stop doing it then?

Re:So my droid that does multitouch (3, Informative)

diamondsw (685967) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016484)

Your Droid doesn't do multitouch in any of the Google-provided applications. This is especially evident in the web browser, maps, and keyboard. Third party apps have been able to provide multitouch for some time.

I thought the whole thing was silly. Patenting pinch-to-zoom and similar gestures fails the "non-obvious" requirement for a patent. Multitouch enhancing a keyboard I could perhaps see as valid.

Re:So my droid that does multitouch (3, Insightful)

Liquidrage (640463) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016554)

I know very well what it does. The problem is when poorly written summaries or articles that imply that the phone doesn't support it. Saying, "the default browser will now support it" is a much better, and accurate, way to phrase it.

Re:So my droid that does multitouch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31016556)

hey douchebag, if it fails the "non-obvious" requirement, then why was NOBODY doing it before apple, and now every 2-bit company and their dog is trying to copy it? if it was so obvious, then wouldnt people have been doing it all along?

Re:So my droid that does multitouch (1)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016626)

Because you need the hardware that can support that kind of gesture? And that's something new?

Multitouch first done on a keyboard (1)

anti-NAT (709310) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017276)

Multitouch enhancing a keyboard I could perhaps see as valid.

That's where Apple got the technology from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FingerWorks [wikipedia.org]

I would have loved to have bought one, but IIRC, the cost was around US$370, and that was well out of my price range.

Re:So my droid that does multitouch (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017572)

I would not call those gestures "obvious" at all. Until people were making a big deal about the lack of those gestures during the Droid's launch, I had no idea that it was supported in iPhone OS, despite having owned an iPod Touch for almost a year at that point (I had been double-tapping to zoom, and cursing my inability to conveniently zoom out). The problem is that Apple clearly didn't invent the gestures, not that they're obvious. They're very non-obvious (or were, when first made).

Re:So my droid that does multitouch (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017734)

My G1 does..of course I have my own android branch.

It really did help. (4, Informative)

Mark19960 (539856) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016458)

I don't care for the multitouch thing..... I liked the old way and will use the old way..
As far as 3G it's much more stable on 3G and on EDGE as well.
I only get EDGE at home because I am at the end of 3G coverage and EDGE is actually much faster than it was.
So, whatever they changed in the radio firmware improved both.
Everything seems to move a little faster as well, so no complaints.
I got my OTA update last night.

Re:It really did help. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31016682)

WHERE'S MY OTA UPDATE?

Re:It really did help. (1)

Mark19960 (539856) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016710)

Ask Google. :)
However, check this out if you can't wait...
http://androidcommunity.com/guide-to-manually-updating-the-nexus-one-20100202/ [androidcommunity.com]

I did not do this and do not endorse it.... but I don't see why it would not work and a lot of people are reporting that it does work.

Re:It really did help. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31017106)

I did and it seems safe enough. You'll see a warning/error about not finding a cache directory. Apparently this is normal. See the screenshot at Engadget -- it also shows the error.

What about my Acer Liquid? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31016566)

I'm really pleased with my Acer Liquid, it has almost the same hardware (some processor) as the Nexus One and costed half, of what it would have costed me, to import the Nexus One in my country. But perhaps I underestimated the value of the phone not being a Google Experience phone. Acer has just released the kernel for the Liquid, but they have not given any good configs and have generelly done everything they can, to make it difficult to put custom roms on the Liquid. I would really want to have Android 2.1 on the Liquid, it has 1.6 now. I was sure that it would be no problem getting newer versions of Android on this phone, but with Acer trying to limit the community efforts, perhaps it will never happen. :( The phone is still nice though, but the uninstallable programs that Acer has put on the phone are redicules and annoying! You can root it and remove some of them, but I would really like just having the stock Android instead! Next time, Im gonna go for a Google Experience phone!

Other US phone don't support multitouch....? (1)

wolf1oo (1732258) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016568)

Just curious, what do they mean when saying that other US phones don't support the multitouch?

I own an HTC Droid Eris, and it seems to have a bunch of apps that support multitouch, and I actively utilize it. Is there something more that I am missing out here when they say that no other phones support the Android OS multitouch?

Re:Other US phone don't support multitouch....? (1)

sourcerror (1718066) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016718)

HTC is Taiwanese.

Re:Other US phone don't support multitouch....? (1)

Aranykai (1053846) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017464)

Its because our version of google maps does not support pinch zooming. Presumably, this is due to agreements between apple and google, but evidently google has decided to do away with it.

HTC ships their software with pinch to zoom support so our devices utilize it fine.

Re:Other US phone don't support multitouch....? (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017594)

They're spreading misinformation, although unintentionally (I hope). Android OS has had support for multitouch events since 1.6 (I think? Someone correct me if I'm wrong), and other phones support it in the hardware. The Droid, for example, supports multitouch just fine, despite the fact that the Google apps don't use it.

Summary is Wrong About Multitouch (5, Insightful)

MBoffin (259181) | more than 4 years ago | (#31016652)

No surprise, but the summary is wrong. True, there has been multitouch capability in recent versions of Android, but not true that no phones in the US support it. Even my HTC Hero (running Android 1.5) has multitouch built into the basic system apps like the browser and the gallery. Additionally there are apps on the marketplace that make use of multitouch, such as the Dolphin browser.

The summary should indicate that no other phones have previously had multitouch built into the system apps that Google ships with the stock OS.

Re:Summary is Wrong About Multitouch (1)

atari2600 (545988) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017336)

You are right. Even the G1 has multitouch capability that doesn't have software support. I've been using the Dolphin Browser (Free!) on my Nexus one and I 3 it.

Too bad they're only fixing a symptom (1)

Pherlin (1131333) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017216)

I'm amused that it took them so long to fix problems with Google's Flagship, but I can't say I'm suprised.
Bought a G1 last March. Couldn't have been happier with it, until the 1.6 update. Afterward everything got slower, I would not recieve calls despite having full signal, be unable to place calls either. Rebooting the phone would fix the problem, but only very temporarily.

2 Replacement Phones with the same problem later they were still insisting the problem wasn't with the firmware. I wound up having to file an FCC and BBB Complaint to get released without an ETF, T-Mobile's 'solution' was to charge me the contract price on a new phone.

This is all relavant, because, well, As soon as I saw the first story on the Nexus one problems, I was not one bit suprised. Call it a matter of opinion but based on what I've seen I get the feeling something got whacked somewhere in the baseband package's firmware/drivers.

This problem gets difficult to detect, however, when the end users are so incompetent that they don't understand that their phone shouldn't be freezing up the way it is. I'm still waiting to see if Samsung screws up the moment yet. (It still seems to be functional, albiet running on 1.5. If it survives the 2.x update I'll trust it.) But as it stands my experience with Android led me to hope for the best as far as WinMo 7. If there's one feeling I got from Android, it was that it was 'beta,' and to be blunt you shouln't play beta with phones you're selling to people.

No Telstra support (Australia) (1)

AbRASiON (589899) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017434)

Not interested.
I can't stand Telstra but they do unfortunately have the best network. I believe this is due to some kind of lack of 850mhz or something option on the phone.
The vast majority of business's use Telstra in this country too.

Re:No Telstra support (Australia) (1)

some_guy_88 (1306769) | more than 4 years ago | (#31017878)

I'm on 3 in Australia and got my Nexus One yesterday. Loving it - just gotta make sure you disable data while roaming (which is an option luckily) because 3 are evil bastards and charge you 50c/mb while roaming which just happens often due to 3 being crap.

I haven't RTFA but maybe this update will improve the 3g....

Re:No Telstra support (Australia) (1)

PeterB87 (900572) | more than 4 years ago | (#31018080)

Roaming data charges should be a thing of the past once Three and Vodafone merge.

Also (to GP), why shouldn't the Nexus One work on Telstra's regular 3G network? It is still operational alongside Next-G 850 mhz

G1? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31017752)

Why has Google abandoned the G1?

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