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Subversive Groups Must Now Register In South Carolina

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the are-you-now-or-have-you-ever-been-a-member-of-the-communist-party dept.

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Hugh Pickens writes "The Raw Story reports that terrorists who want to overthrow the United States government must now register with South Carolina's Secretary of State and declare their intentions — or face a $25,000 fine and up to 10 years in prison. The 'Subversive Activities Registration Act' passed last year in South Carolina and now officially on the books states that 'every member of a subversive organization, or an organization subject to foreign control, every foreign agent and every person who advocates, teaches, advises or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States ... shall register with the Secretary of State.'"

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849 comments

not the first (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31093580)

slashdot requires all first posters to register.

Re:not the first (0, Troll)

Philip K Dickhead (906971) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093932)

Anonymous - 4chan - THIS means YOU!

Too bad (5, Funny)

bensafrickingenius (828123) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093594)

No one thought to do this pre 9/11.

Re:Too bad (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31093666)

Too bad England didn't think of this pre-1775. Jjust think we could all be speaking in smashing British accents like James Bond right now...

Re:Too bad (5, Informative)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093874)

England did think of it, and they tried to stop the colonists from meeting up, which is precisely why "the right of the people peaceably to assemble" was put into the first amendment.

Re:Too bad (1, Insightful)

shoemilk (1008173) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093758)

Insightful? I think this is a joke. I highly doubt a group of people willing to kill themselves by crashing planes into buildings would be disueded by the threat of jail time and a fine.

And if it's meant as "well they could have nabbed them sooner", then A) incomeptence prevented it from being stopped, this law wouldn't help and B) how far reaching this law is scares me. The gov't doesn't like someone and they can declair their actions are "anti-state"...</tinfoilhat>

Re:Too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31093840)

Whoosh...

Re:Too bad (1, Informative)

shoemilk (1008173) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093990)

To quote my self "Insightful? I think this is a joke." I was more responding to the mod that modded it "insightful"

Re:Too bad (4, Informative)

digitalunity (19107) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093906)

Indeed. The text of the law says it should not be construed to authorize censorship or infringe upon freedom of speech but I just don't see how you can do that.

This law is a ace up the sleeve for selective prosecution, nothing else.

Re:Too bad (1)

Philip K Dickhead (906971) | more than 4 years ago | (#31094016)

How do you get those CIA agents to register, anyway? And what about AIPAC^H^H^H^H^H Mossad?

Re:Too bad (4, Informative)

icebike (68054) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093786)

Oddly enough North Carolina had a right to revolution written into their constitution. http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Legislation/constitution/article1.html [state.nc.us] (section 3D).

Their neighbors to the south, not so much.

Re:Too bad (2, Funny)

ZosX (517789) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093872)

Oh...so revolution is legal down there huh? You just gotta register before you do it? Makes total sense to me!

Re:Too bad (4, Informative)

EricWright (16803) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093966)

In case you didn't notice ... registration is required in South Carolina; the right to revolt is written in the North Carolina State Constitution. North != South.

Re:Too bad (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093998)

Yup. Apparently you have to drive to South Carolina, register, then drive back North, and foment.

Re:Too bad (5, Funny)

lul_wat (1623489) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093946)

That's it. I'm moving the trailor over state lines to the north.

Re:Too bad (5, Insightful)

shoemilk (1008173) | more than 4 years ago | (#31094008)

Ironic that this is passed by the state that STARTED THE CIVIL WAR!

Re:Too bad (2)

Mistakill (965922) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093842)

now they can point the finger at people, go, 'OMG Terrorist', and make money from it...

and before you dismiss this idea, think about what'd happen if you got arrested just for talking to someone discussing a fictional situation 'what if someone shot the president, what do you think would happen Bob?' (as from what i understand of the US First Amendment, youre allowed to ponder such an event, except maybe within an airport or aircraft)

Re:Too bad (2, Informative)

Grimbleton (1034446) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093984)

The first amendment doesn't end in the air.

Re:Too bad (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093928)

That's actually entirely the point. The summary conveniently leaves off part of the definition: "thereof by force or violence or other unlawful means; ", which narrows the applicability quite a bit.

What it does is it gives the prosecutor another charge to file in the event of an attack.

Republican Party... (1, Insightful)

gurps_npc (621217) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093604)

...is currently planning on overthrowing the existing government of the United States. Have they registered?

Re:Republican Party... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31093706)

Does this mean if you just want to "get those bums out of office" you have to register?

Re:Republican Party... (3, Insightful)

bit9 (1702770) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093742)

They're not planning to overthrow the government. They already have. Don't be fooled just because there's a Democrat in the White House. Democrats vs. Republicans is just a puppet show they put on to keep us all distracted and divided. Meanwhile, Obama and Bush have more interests in common with each other than either of them do with The People.

Re:Republican Party... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31094010)

Meanwhile, Obama and Bush have more interests in common with each other than either of them do with The People.

Oh nonesense! Bush was completely in the pocket of Wall Street and the big end of town, while Obama is ... umm ...

No, anyway, Obama is a socialist ... yeah ... he was, wan't he. Oh I'm getting confused.

Re:Republican Party... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31093944)

The Republican Party is currently planning on overthrowing the existing government of the United States.

And the Democrats totally aren't... because our nation has totally been socialist from the beginning. Right.

Can I mail it in or what? (5, Funny)

honestmonkey (819408) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093614)

I mean, I don't want to have to drive all the way to South Carolina if I can avoid it. Especially with gas prices the way they are now, and subversive equipment costs going through the roof.

Re:Can I mail it in or what? (1)

Random BedHead Ed (602081) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093722)

No way am I going near South Carolina while my plans to become Emperor of Charleston are progressing. (Of course, once the plans succeed, I'll only need to avoid the rest of the state.)

Re:Can I mail it in or what? (1)

rabiddeity (941737) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093728)

Why don't you just drive there?

... ohhhhhh nevermind, I see! :)

Re:Can I mail it in or what? (1)

rabiddeity (941737) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093860)

Wow. Do not post when preview is broken.

Re:Can I mail it in or what? (4, Funny)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093764)

Do I have to register individually, or am I covered by the slashdot site licence?

Re:Can I mail it in or what? (1)

Clemsonuee (968674) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093960)

I do live in South Carolina and am currently registering with some of my friends. You can join our group if you want. Though the form only asks for members living in the state.

Re:Can I mail it in or what? (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#31094004)

Why not help them out - register the governor, the congress-critters and senators, the local chiefs of police, etc.

So... (1)

pinkj (521155) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093618)

Does this mean anyone who wants to replace the current leader(s) in government are subjected to this scrutiny?

LULZ. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31093626)

OMG LULZ.

 

subversive? (4, Funny)

SoupGuru (723634) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093630)

Well, if they did that then they wouldn't be subversive now, would they?

Easy way to "democratically" jail and fine dissent (4, Insightful)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093636)

Don't like someone badmouthing the government? Require them to register. Then when they (obviously) don't do it, stick 'em in jail and take their money.

Enjoy your democracy, guys.

Re:Easy way to "democratically" jail and fine diss (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31093794)

Enjoy your democracy

If it was my democracy, then I wouldn't be the victim.

Re:Easy way to "democratically" jail and fine diss (1)

oneplus999 (907816) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093812)

Don't like someone badmouthing the government? Require them to register. Then when they (obviously) don't do it, stick 'em in jail and take their money.

badmouthing the government != subversion, since you aren't, you know, actually subverting anything. not saying the law makes sense or anything, but even if it did include that, first amendment > sc laws, so it wouldn't hold up in court anyway. try again.

Enjoy your democracy, guys.

thanks i will.

Re:Easy way to "democratically" jail and fine diss (3, Insightful)

fyngyrz (762201) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093962)

...it wouldn't hold up in court anyway. try again.

From jail, with lots of money, paying a team of very good (and very expensive) lawyers, over years, while the matter proceeds through court after court? With no certainty that the SCOTUS, which has approved many an unconstitutional matter, will see things the constitutional way?

Tell you what. You try again. I'll just quietly think my thoughts without involving the whole broken system.

Re:Easy way to "democratically" jail and fine diss (1)

BitterOak (537666) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093888)

Don't like someone badmouthing the government? Require them to register. Then when they (obviously) don't do it, stick 'em in jail and take their money.

Enjoy your democracy, guys.

If you read the text of the statute, you'll see that dissent alone isn't covered by this law. You have to be planning to overthrow the government by violent or unlawful means. I would imagine this law would be found unconstitutional under Fifth Amendment grounds, as overthrow of the government by violent or other unlawful means is, by definition, unlawful, and the Fifth Amendment protects you from being compelled to make statements which would incriminate yourself.

Re:Easy way to "democratically" jail and fine diss (1)

elnyka (803306) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093898)

Don't like someone badmouthing the government? Require them to register. Then when they (obviously) don't do it, stick 'em in jail and take their money.

Enjoy your democracy, guys.

bad mounting the government =/= subversion.

In other words... your analogy sucks :) But that's ok, the whole idea of asking or requiring subversive groups to register not only sucks more, it's fucking ridiculous. It's like asking a criminal to register his intentions to commit a crime.

If you are a pedo and want to bang a little child, check the box that says "yes", otherwise check "no". </facepalm!!(10+1)>

I can see where the proponents of this law are coming from, but come the fucking on, it's obvious that it is completely unenforceable.

Awwwww crap! (4, Funny)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093638)

I thought my evil master plan for overthrowing the government was PERFECT! Nobody could have known what I was up to!

And now I have to tell them myself?

Oh well...

Re:Awwwww crap! (1)

scdeimos (632778) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093702)

Don't worry, your plan is still good if you intend to take over the world. Contrary to popular (US) opinion, the world does extend beyond US borders.

Re:Awwwww crap! (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093850)

Don't worry, I was going to start over here in Europe anyway. But if I'm going for world domination, I'd have to cross the Atlantic eventually. :P

Re:Awwwww crap! (4, Funny)

EricWright (16803) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093710)

FTFA:

By "subversive organization," the law means "every corporation, society, association, camp, group, bund, political party, assembly, body or organization, composed of two or more persons

You'll be just fine if you keep it to yourself.

Re:Awwwww crap! (2, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093738)

So basically this is in violation of our right to peaceably assemble. That's only the first amendment, easy to see how they could miss that.

Re:Awwwww crap! (2, Insightful)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093806)

Peaceably assemble... with intent to overthrow the government.

Although there's kind of a Catch 22 opportunity there.

Re:Awwwww crap! (3, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093862)

How so?
Ghandi got the brits out peaceably.

Re:Awwwww crap! (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093938)

The 1989 revolutions were almost all bloodless, only the Romanian revolution was violent.

Re:Awwwww crap! (2)

WinterSolstice (223271) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093934)

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Hmmmmm

But I still think this is a joke.

Re:Awwwww crap! (1)

ZosX (517789) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093942)

You CAN peacefully overthrow the government. Unfortunately nobody really cares, so we get a bunch of self-serving rich schmucks to run our country instead. We really deserve to reap the bitter harvest from the seeds of disinterest that we have sown.

Well... (3, Funny)

thinkpol (51932) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093652)

The story also states that it only costs $5 to register. At least it's not expensive to get on such an exclusive list!

Re:Well... (1)

s73v3r (963317) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093904)

At those prices, I'm gonna have to create two or three evil organizations. I mean, how can I not?

Register Here! (1)

darealpat (826858) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093654)

If any home grown yokels actually register, they deserve all that they will get from the Federal Government. It brings to mind those questions on customs forms about having certain items.

Re:Register Here! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31093808)

I don't think anyone will register themselves...

Re:Register Here! (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093900)

I'd be seriously tempted to make up something ridiculous and register; but only if there was some sort of cool plaque I could get for it.

Money Grab (1)

bflong (107195) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093656)

Sounds like a money grab. US arrests 'terrorists', S.C. fines them $25k for not registering...
I'm sure they will get their money too... hahahaha
Nevermind. This is just stupid.

Re:Money Grab (1)

WinterSolstice (223271) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093982)

There are some cities that impose a $500 fine for detonating a nuclear device...

I think this is on the same vein. No real subversive would ever bother to register, and at most it's a publicity stunt.

Was ist das, das sie hier lesen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31093660)


Judenbucher!

Abfuhren!

$25,000 fine and 10 years of Guantanamo Bay for you!

Whats left of this democracy and freedom thing America was supposed to be about?

But if they outlaw secretly being a Terrorist (4, Funny)

dmomo (256005) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093662)

Only criminals will secretly be Terrorists. :( ...

PANIC!

Look Out FOX NEWS (-1, Troll)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093672)

This must mean that Bill O Reilly and FOX News must register now as a subversive organization.

Heh. (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093674)

When they come for me, thats a warning to all my friends that it is time to begin truly stockpiling certain materials, not just collecting them ;)

Terrorist Sweepstakes (1)

Freaky Spook (811861) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093680)

They could have at least tried a little harder and turned it into a competition

"Attempt to Subvert the country and WIN!!!! Register with the Secretary of state and enter the draw for a free all expenses paid trip to Cuba, where you get to relax in luxury"

Who signs up for anything if they don't have any chance of winning anything, or even get anything for free?

That seems a bit Unconstitutional..... (3, Insightful)

tinkerghost (944862) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093698)

Freedom of association and the right to espouse political views anonymously have been upheld frequently by the highest courts, so this is just a matter of paper politics.

Re:That seems a bit Unconstitutional..... (1)

uvajed_ekil (914487) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093952)

There's no such thing as just "a bit unconstitutional." If it is unconstitutional at all, it is prohibited, and probably a bad, bad thing. This is all a silly idea to begin with, and you are right, there is no way it can possibly constitutional to legally require "subversives" to do anything. This appears to violate the 1st amendment, just off the top of my head, and one might argue that it violates the 5th, 8th, and 9th amendments, just to name a few. Not good.

Re:That seems a bit Unconstitutional..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31093956)

And you somehow think that this Supreme Court is going to uphold the constitution?

Re:That seems a bit Unconstitutional..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31094018)

There is only one law. Don't irritate anyone with prosecutorial power unless you have access to sufficient legal resources. There are so many laws it's guaranteed they'll be able to find one to charge you with. Even if they don't you will suffer the equivalent of a large fine via legal fees and days or weeks of imprisonment in a courtroom.

Past legal decisions seem to have little impact when words like terrorism get thrown around. I think the protesters at the political campaign rallies in 08 would argue that they were effectively prevented from espousing their political views by being locked into barbed wire enclosures.

Clearly there is no right to associate if illegal actions are being planned http://www.answers.com/topic/unlawful-assembly

Quick, before the trading deadline! (1)

NEDHead (1651195) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093714)

Can we trade them even up for Haiti?

Murderers, bank robbers, and rapists too. (5, Funny)

syousef (465911) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093718)

If you intend to do anything illegal you must register. If you litter and have not registered your intention to litter we're going to come down hard on you! Planning to kill your spouse? Register now, and get 20% off your sentence! Planning to rob a bank? Registration before Feb 15th gives you 10% off your sentence. Planning a terrorist act? Just call 1-900-TERR-RIST, and we'll go easy on you if you don't make it right away to your chosen form of heaven.

Seriously, what kind of bass awkwards government scheme is this? If your penalties for commiting a crime are too lax, tighten them. Otherwise expecting people to register their intention of breaking the law (and inciting the overthrow of the government isn't just simple free speech folks. If you think it is maybe you're so messed up this law will work on you) is pure nonsense.

The muppets coming up with this should be....oh wait I'd have to register to say that....

Re:Murderers, bank robbers, and rapists too. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093798)

It certainly is free speech. I have every right to suggest we out our current politicians and elect new ones or put them in by force. I have no right to incite violence, I have every right to suggest it.

Uh oh (4, Insightful)

BigSlowTarget (325940) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093720)

Hmm $5 charge..... What do you want to bet the Republican and Democratic parties, Tea Party, Police Departments, Exxon, Greenpeace, Chase Bank, Hillary Clinton, Rush Limbaugh, Goldman Sachs, everyone's ex's and pretty much everyone else anyone dislikes all find 'helpful' people registering on their behalf? If this list feeds to the no fly list there's going to be hell to pay.

No difference to them (2, Informative)

neghvar1 (1705616) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093730)

To the US government, there is no difference between a terrorist and a constitutional patriot. Any opposition to the present-day government is to be supressed, silenced, destroyed and/or killed.

Osama signing up? (1)

NicknamesAreStupid (1040118) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093746)

How about those Tea Parties too? ACORN? Fox News? Jon Stewart? The New York Times? Wall Street Journal? Of course, the Supreme Court? And most importantly, is Argentinian agent Mark Sanford gonna sign up? If he doesn't, Jenny will bust him.

Can we submit a nomination (1)

wiredlogic (135348) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093752)

for the South Carolina state legislature?

Does this apply to Democrats as well as Republican (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31093760)

Obviously, any opposition political party is interested in seizing the government of the United States. Since the Democrats currently have power (although it's not nearly as clear as in a parliamentary system), that implies that every Republican supporter must register.

But plenty of Democrats aren't happy with the U.S. government either... so should they register?

It seems like this is basically a poll tax on people who want to vote...

Also, Bank Robbers must now Register (1)

KarmaOverDogma (681451) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093762)

at the Federal Reserve and declare their intentions, or be subject to stiff fines.

Furthermore, the IRS would like to remind bank robbers that failure to declare their (illegal) income will result in additional tax penalties.

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31093768)

Sometimes I really think Americans are nuts. If I have plans to overthrow Government Why will I register to the Government I want to overthrow. Come one Joe sometimes irrationality plays in your legislation.

So, do we get immunity? (2, Interesting)

BitterOak (537666) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093772)

Does this mean if my group registers with the state and we state our intentions to commit terrorist acts that we will be immune from prosecution when we carry out our intentions?

Like paying an illegal drug tax (4, Informative)

istartedi (132515) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093774)

This is just like those "marijuana tax stamp" acts. Laws like that typicly just end up being used to tack on extra years when you get convicted, and/or to assist the prosecutors since the more laws you break the easier it is to convict. IMHO, it's a waste of time since any serious act (ie, assault, murder) comitted by such a group is going to get them life or worse (does SC have the death penalty?)

Re:Like paying an illegal drug tax (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31093974)

South Carolina can execute people for certain crimes, but given that the alternative is a continued existence IN South Carolina, "penalty" is too harsh a word.

Well... (1)

abroadwin (1273704) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093780)

Sure is a good thing they'll have this registry to track down everyone who doesn't comply! Oh wait...

Ironic (2, Interesting)

dustman81 (1134599) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093800)

I seem to remember from school that a historically significant event happened in South Carolina that started a war....oh, right. The Battle of Fort Sumter which started the American Civil War.

Re:Ironic (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093884)

Are you suggesting they are still sore about losing "The War of Southern Treason"?

Great Futile Gestures Of Our Time (1)

Dunx (23729) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093824)

In other news, immigration officials have reported that they have seen an increase in the number of terrorists self-identifying on immigration declaration forms filled in at ports of entry. "It's since we added the extra questions," said a spokesman. "We ask if they really mean it, then if they are willing to cross their heart and hope to die."

Easy way to catch them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31093826)

Rumor has it that they have a similar law on the books in Texas: thieves are required to give homeowners 24 hours' notice of their intended break-in, or else they face a fine. Whether it exists or not, I don't actually know, but the idea behind it is that if nothing else sticks, at least they can get the person on a charge like that. I'm assuming the same applies here. They want some way to get the groups if nothing else is gonna stick.

Subversive? (1)

maxgilead (243900) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093838)

I don't know about you but I was pondering for a while why would South Carolina care so much about Eclipse's SVN plugin (http://www.eclipse.org/subversive/)...

One state down, 49 more to go.... (4, Insightful)

ZosX (517789) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093852)

I can see other states passing laws such as this. I would think that if you were planning on overthrowing the government, doing so "legally" by registering your intent probably wouldn't seem like the brightest idea. This is akin to requiring bank robbers to register before they go rob a bank. Who in their right mind would do anything? Also notice that it says on the clause:

"(1) "Subversive organization" means every corporation, society, association, camp, group, bund, political party, assembly, body or organization, composed of two or more persons, which directly or indirectly advocates, advises, teaches or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States, of this State or of any political subdivision thereof by force or violence or other unlawful means;

"advocate"........."advise".......... These words are the result of sharing your opinion. You "advocate" or you "advise" somebody on a matter. This basically makes thought and speech crimes if you do not register to speak your opinion. If we share opinions then we need to register. I honestly cannot fathom what crime this useless law is meant to deter from, nor see how it will protect anyone from anything. Any sort of restrictions on free speech and the right to assembly (also attacked here) are movements towards taking power and freedoms away from people. My oh my how utterly un-american we have so become........the sad part is that the people that vote these laws into action consider themselves patriots (notice how patriotism is explicitly exempt from this law, which opens up all sorts of avenues......militias are patriotic too........) I hope they gave George and Tom lots of space to roll in their coffins......................

America.....pure irony at its best!

Hmmm (1)

ucblockhead (63650) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093854)

I guess I better register the "Make ucblockhead the God-Emperor of the United States" society.

Cant' beat them, join them??? (1)

rafter_hopper (25257) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093864)

They trying some thing again?? I thought Presedent Lincoln took care of that a few years back...

What about the state government? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31093866)

If I just want to overthrown the state of South Carolina's government, do I have to register? If so, then I think I'll do that first before making up my mind about the federal gov. It seems like less paperwork that way.

Oh sweet (1)

Acecoolco (1012419) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093878)

So we do not have to register if we only want to invoke pain and terror on the citizens... SWEET.. safe until the next bill...

Way to go, getting tough on terrorism (1)

NewYorkCountryLawyer (912032) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093880)

Why is South Carolina always in the vanguard of these great ideas? This is such a wonderful idea. I wish I'd thought of it first.

All we need now is for terrorists to have to put a sticker in their windshield. Then if they get caught without it, we slap 'em with an appearance ticket.

Didn't RTFA (1)

douglasdoughty (1611343) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093886)

but, if the description can be trusted: "every person who advocates, teaches, advises or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States" Then, members of political parties, local and state representatives, and lobbyists all have to register on this list as well...unless they are actually not trying to control or conduct the government...

Problem solved! (1)

judolphin (1158895) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093910)

Thanks, South Carolina!

What's wrong with this picture? (2, Interesting)

bit9 (1702770) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093924)

By "subversive organization," the law means "every corporation, society, association, camp, group, bund, political party, assembly, body or organization, composed of two or more persons, which directly or indirectly advocates, advises, teaches or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States [or] of this State."

Is it just me, or does that definition necessarily include all U.S. citizens of voting age? What ever happened to "for the People, by the People" ??? Silly me, I was under the impression that it is every citizen's civic duty to control the government. It's called voting.

It does seem funny til you learn how law is used (4, Insightful)

cybereal (621599) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093926)

These sort of laws always seem so ridiculous until you learn how criminal law comes into application in real practice. Laws like this one enable police organizations to expand their scope of suspicions to an area of law that is less scrutinized that violent crimes. This type of law is also used to enhance punishments during investigations for the cases where say, the police are pretty sure these guys were planning to do some terrorizing but couldn't prove it but with this law they can show the far more vague notion of being a group with desires for overthrowing gov't. (Wouldn't many republicans count? hehe, anyway...) so they can put them in jail or otherwise limit their freedom of movement and privacy while continuing to investigate and try to prove more malicious actions or intent.

So the law might seem ridiculous but it's exactly this kind of law that is constantly misused and abused in our legal/police system every day, both for good and bad.

On a related note, many traffic codes and laws are created for the purpose of enhancing fines and punishments allowable to people who cause accidents. Consider any traffic law that seems impossible to catch a person breaking, then realize that when that person crashes or causes a crash, any number of such laws can be applied, merely with witness testimony, to enhance fines and so on. For example, many states have had laws for years that require you use your hands for nothing besides driving. This is classically used to assert fault on, say, a woman doing her make-up while driving or a driver distracted by children. They just need an eye witness to corroborate for determination of fault.

New laws (4, Interesting)

jmv (93421) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093930)

Is it just me or is there an increase in the number of new laws (not just in the US) that basically state that it's illegal to do illegal stuff? I'm trying to find the rational explanation for that, but so far I've failed.

Everyone should register (1)

beadwindow (1578749) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093936)

well everyone should register isn't the right to vote a method of overthrowing the government.

Lobbyist Groups? (4, Interesting)

GrubLord (1662041) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093948)

From TFA - this is any group that "directly or indirectly advocates, advises, teaches or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States".

Lobbyist groups are all about controlling the government (via substantial bribes). Does this mean they need to register?

What are we going to do tonight Brain? (1)

Seraphim_72 (622457) | more than 4 years ago | (#31093980)

The same thing we do every night Pinky, try to take over the world! We just won't start in South Carolina.

Let the witchhunt begin! (1)

zill (1690130) | more than 4 years ago | (#31094014)

What's stopping people from filling out the form on behalf of their most hated organization? It only costs $5 + postage.

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