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Star Wars TV Show Tainted By Memories of Jar Jar

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the that's-a-lot-of-taint dept.

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bowman9991 writes "Can George Lucas' new Star Wars TV series, the first Star Wars spin off with real actors, atone for the flawed follow-ups to his original classics? Producer Rick McCallum calls the new series 'much darker,' a 'much more character-based series' and 'more adult,' while George Lucas himself calls it more like the first Star Wars film. The new TV show takes place in the 'dark times' between the last prequel Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith and Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, when most of the Jedi and anti-emperor politicians were hunted down and killed. The characters of Boba Fett, C-3PO, and the Emperor Palpatine will return, and casting has now begun. Mark Hamill, the actor who played Luke Skywalker from the original movies, believes George Lucas lost his way, 'making it bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger until you're just exploding with special effects all over the screen like some fireworks display,' but thinks the new show is a 'positive' step forward. Hopefully George Lucas can wipe the memory of Jar Jar Binks, Anakin and Padme's romance, his shameless merchandising, and some lame attempts at humor from everyone's minds once and for all."

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OMG, Luke Skywalker is right! (1)

judolphin (1158895) | more than 4 years ago | (#31098790)

Hopefully, this show will get it right, and have a little bit of depth to it.

Re:OMG, Luke Skywalker is right! (2, Interesting)

altoz (653655) | more than 4 years ago | (#31098998)

if by depth you mean CG animation in the background, yes, it will.

if by depth you mean actual storytelling, i'm afraid this won't. if episodes 1-3 proved anything, it's that lucas just doesn't know how to tell a good story unless he's ripping off kurasawa.

Re:OMG, Luke Skywalker is right! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31099284)

don't have seen a kurosawa ripoff until you watch a sergio leone's western.

Re:OMG, Luke Skywalker is right! (5, Informative)

Rary (566291) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099132)

Hopefully, this show will get it right, and have a little bit of depth to it.

Well, for starters, it is set in the best possible time frame. Rather than the time of the wooden Jedi Council and the useless Senate holding endless meetings, it's set in the time of the rise of the Rebel Alliance. There's so much potential for a good show in that era.

Also, George plans to hand the reins over to someone else after writing and producing the first season. So, it might have a slow start, but the possibility of a decent series growing out of it is actually fairly high — depending, of course, on who takes over in season two.

JARJAR's happy fun adventures of whimsy!!! (2, Funny)

happy_place (632005) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099272)

Darn, and I was hoping for something along the lines of Peewee Herman's BigTop adventures, with Jarjar the main character, constantly breaking the third wall to talk to a juvenile audience about toy endorsements, "Can yousa kids say to Mommy, "Meesaw want Jarjar action figures!" "

Re:OMG, Luke Skywalker is right! (5, Funny)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099400)

Mark Hamill is probably just bitter because he never did get those power converters.

Much like the Holocaust (0)

Trinexx (1378811) | more than 4 years ago | (#31098804)

Jar-Jar will never be forgotten.

Re:Much like the Holocaust (4, Funny)

Carewolf (581105) | more than 4 years ago | (#31098886)

Jar-Jar will never be forgotten.

Who??

And there are no prequels, and there is no way to ever make any. Any possible existence of Star Wars prequels have been curiously eliminated in the space time continuum. Interestingly the same applies to the much later stand-alone sci-fi movie Matrix (in case anyone wondered why no sequels were ever made). No one knows why this stands as such immutable facts though.

Re:Much like the Holocaust (1)

VShael (62735) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099180)

Interestingly the same applies to the much later stand-alone sci-fi movie Matrix

Yeah, well, while it might be fun to speculate on what a Matrix sequel, or even trilogy would have looked like, it's probably a good thing that they didn't make any. I mean, have you seen Speed Racer? Chances are the Warchowski brothers would have f***ed it up with pretty special effects, piss poor plotting, and live-action versions of Japanese animation. And who would want that?

Great sci fi movies don't always need sequels. Blade Runner doesn't need a sequel, neither does the Matrix.

Re:Much like the Holocaust (1)

lorenzo.boccaccia (1263310) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099322)

well that short film about the zion final stand was a good 7 solid minutes of continuous shooting.

Re:Much like the Holocaust (1)

Stregano (1285764) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099220)

I don't think you shold be repressing your memories. They will come back and something awful might happen

Re:Much like the Holocaust (1)

daid303 (843777) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099224)

Star Wars prequels.

The biggest hoax in human history.

Re:Much like the Holocaust (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31099228)

So I heard you like Ewoks...

Re:Much like the Holocaust (1)

Sobrique (543255) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099298)

The same could be said of Dune. As we all know well, there were only ever 3 Dune books.

Re:Much like the Holocaust (1)

MadJo (674225) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099422)

I, for one, am glad that there were no sequels to the matrix, it would only have made the whole story worse. I can just see them try to pull off a biblical-type story with Neo as some sort of prodigal 'son'. Including a (second) rebirth. *shudders at the thought* No, better leave well enough alone. :)

Hey, Polyanna (3, Insightful)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 4 years ago | (#31098812)

Hopefully George Lucas can wipe the memory of Jar Jar Binks, Anakin and Padme's romance, his shameless merchandising, and some lame attempts at humor from everyone's minds once and for all.

Don't bet on it.

Re:Hey, Polyanna (5, Funny)

dkf (304284) | more than 4 years ago | (#31098938)

Don't bet on it.

There are worse things. The Star Wars Holiday Special. Absolutely nothing in episodes I-III is as bad as that...

Re:Hey, Polyanna (1)

Rary (566291) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099152)

There is no such thing as the Star Wars Holiday Special. There is no such thing as the Star Wars Holiday Special. There is no such thing as the Star Wars Holiday Special.

My god, the memory burns in my mind.

Re:Hey, Polyanna (4, Interesting)

naz404 (1282810) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099408)

Speaking of Star Wars "side-movies", you can find a copy of the spliced-together reconstruction of the ultra-rare official mockumentary "Return of the Ewok" starring Warwick Davis and the ROTJ cast here: http://www.gappon.com/star-wars-return-of-the-ewok-1982-583635.html [gappon.com]

More info about it at Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_of_the_Ewok [wikipedia.org]

It's not available commercially anywhere, so I guess sharing the download link is historical/digital preservation and not piracy.

Re:Hey, Polyanna (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31099210)

I consider myself lucky never to have watched more than 10 minutes of Star Wars. I know lots of people like Star Wars and that's fine with me, I don't mean to start any flame wars, but to me Star Wars seemed like what the past (a century before Christ) would have looked like if suddenly they stumbled upon some 1970's robot technology and learned how to use it through trial and error. My opinion of Star Wars is reflected in what I believe Star Wars should have been titled instead:
"Spartacus meets the Muppet rejects: the robot years"

To me anything Star Trek based (except the Scott Bakula crap) is way better than Star Wars.

I will probably get modded down by some mod in his Chewbacca costume, but I just wanted to express my opinion without insulting anyone, except for Scott Bakula, that retard has really tainted Star Trek for me.

Re:Hey, Polyanna (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099462)

Anakin and Padme's romance

To do that, wouldn’t he have to kill off Luke and Leia?

Frist Post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31098814)

The Star Wars franchise like Star Trek is beginning to feel a little worn out. Time to try something new.

Re:Frist Post (3, Interesting)

ircmaxell (1117387) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099044)

I wonder if Lucas is going to do what's been happening to most other movie series (James Bond, Batman, Spider Man, Star Trek, etc) and do a ground up restart on the series. Take it back to a darker, rougher and more realistic level...

I'm not saying that's what it needs, but just seems to be the theme of late in Hollywood...

Re:Frist Post (4, Interesting)

Sobrique (543255) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099368)

Actually Star Wars very definitely has potential to do 'dark and nasty' and do it well. I mean, think about the key themes in there. It's about a rebellion - freedom fighters, or perhaps 'terrorists'? It's about an oppressive regime, spreading out and being racist (ok, species-ist) across the galaxy.
You'd have plenty of framework to make a political commentary on the war on terror. Mix in a little bit of fundamental differences in culture - the Empire plugs one ideology to people who just don't think that way - and maybe mix in a bit of crooked shenanigans, spaceships and just a shade of jedi mythos/persecution. (Not convinced it needs it though - way better to have a couple of 'dark jedi' bad guys, and have the good guys running scared).
Could be pretty good. Fairly sure it'll never happen mind - George Lucas will want creative control, and he'll go all fluffy and cute.

Thanks a lot (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31098816)

"Hopefully George Lucas can wipe the memory of Jar Jar Binks, Anakin and Padme's romance, his shameless merchandising, and some lame attempts at humor from everyone's minds once and for all."

I had managed to block all that crap from my consciousness. That is, until you brought it up again just now. Thanks a lot - you can expect to see my therapist's bill.

Re:Thanks a lot (1)

tfm55x (109613) | more than 4 years ago | (#31098858)

Oh, but lest we forget the *first* attempt at a Star Wars television show. It might have been close to 30 years ago, and Lucas may want to officially deny it even exists, but the "Star Wars Holiday Special will forever more be burned into our collective memories. So let's hope the franchise doesn't get that out of hand again.

Re:Thanks a lot (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099366)

...and the Ewok movies. We can't forget those.

First live-action spinoff my *ss.

So lets review...

      This will not infact by the "first live action spinoff".
      We have 1) The Holiday Special
                      2) The Ewok movies

Hell, now that I put it like that Jar Jar seems f*cking inevitable.

"moichandizing! moichandizing! moichandizing!"

Re:Thanks a lot (1)

hack slash (1064002) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099444)

You forgot The Ewoks cartoon and Droids cartoon.

Humm (5, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#31098820)

Hopefully George Lucas can wipe the memory of Jar Jar Binks, Anakin and Padme's romance, his shameless merchandising, and some lame attempts at humor from everyone's minds once and for all.

I find your excess of faith disturbing.

Re:Humm (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099192)

"Shameless marketing" gives Lucas way to much credit; it assumes that he is in control of himself and cynically exploiting the Star Wars brand. I find it to be much more likely that he thought Jar Jar 'added' something to the 'vision' of the movie.

(And if he still cares about money, he is completely nuts)

The Xmas Special Effect (1)

Fiverx2 (1193129) | more than 4 years ago | (#31098830)

As long as its better than the Xmas special that most of us try to forget, I'll give it a shot.

Never mind prequels (4, Interesting)

rossdee (243626) | more than 4 years ago | (#31098838)

We want sequels to Return of the Jedi. Wasn't he originally going to do 3 sets of trilogies: with the 3rd set later on, and the only common characters would be the 2 droids?

Re:Never mind prequels (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31099010)

I agree. Children of the Jedi was kind of good, though I must admit I am not a fan of movie-verse literature, as a rule.

If not sequels, then what about an removed timeline? Kotor springs to mind as a place to start, but that would be kind of cheap. Maybe somewhere in between. What would really be exciting to me is the time when the Jedi were wiping out the Sith (causing the initial imbalance in metachlorient distribution [wth?]). I guess with less developed tech one has less room for a special effects fireworks display.

Re:Never mind prequels (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31099042)

Yes, but that involved the Emperor surviving VI, only to be defeated in IX by Han and Leia's offspring. Can't be done now.

Re:Never mind prequels (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099234)

No, in the original 1980-1986 "trilogy of trilogies" plan (the reason they added the "Episode IV" to the title sequence of Star Wars in 1981) Lucas was going to produce three sets of movies of three each (three prequels and three sequels to the originals)--with R2D2 and C3PO being the only characters to consistently appear in all three sets of films. I think either you're joking or you got the "Han and Leia's kids fighting the emperor" things from the (much later) books--or from some Lucas revisionism (he's been about half-batshit crazy for many years now and makes all kinds of claims that contradict both his earlier statements and interviews from those who worked with him during the time of the originals).

Re:Never mind prequels (1)

vegiVamp (518171) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099396)

The bad guy *always* has a way to survive.

Re:Never mind prequels (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31099078)

The storyline for what would have been the third trilogy was compressed into Return of the Jedi. There is no third trilogy waiting to be made.

Latter Canceled. Need New Avenues. (4, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099094)

We want sequels to Return of the Jedi. Wasn't he originally going to do 3 sets of trilogies: with the 3rd set later on, and the only common characters would be the 2 droids?

Yes, those were the initial plans. Although there was a very important if in their plans. From what I've heard through rumors, Lucas had two trilogies he could tell and he picked the stronger of the two (prequels) to do first. If that was financially successful and well received then he would continue with the sequels. I think this strategy changed with the release of the first or second episode and the latter sequel was canceled altogether.

Keep in mind that Harrison Ford turned down a Han Solo spinoff [slashdot.org] and opted instead for Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (with a fifth shaping up [aceshowbiz.com] ).

I don't want later sequels. If anything is done in the Star Wars universe, I want the Timothy Zahn Trilogy [wikia.com] done as three movies. Thrawn is badass. I want a TV series that takes stories like the "Tales" series of SW books and brings them to life.

Personally I think the characters in Episodes I, II and III were so weak that we need new characters that aren't supposed to fulfill some other plot line's obligations.

Re:Latter Canceled. Need New Avenues. (4, Informative)

Rary (566291) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099250)

As I understand it (and most of this is, of course, rumour and speculation), the original trilogy was supposed to go on much longer than it did, with ROTJ not being the last episode. Darth Vader (intended to be a somewhat minor villain) was to be killed, while the hunt for the real villain, the Emperor, would continue in the subsequent episodes. Han Solo was supposed to be killed off, paving the way for the love affair between Luke and Leia (the brother/sister idea was only thrown in at the last minute).

Unfortunately, with Lucas' failed marriage weighing on him, he got sick of making these movies and decided to just wrap everything up quickly and not-so-cleanly in ROTJ.

If he had plans later on to attempt to create a sequel trilogy (of this I have no doubt), it was more of a "milk the cash cow" idea than even the prequels were, because there really is no story left to tell after the destruction of the second Death Star and the death of the Emperor. At least, not a particularly relevant story. I really hope he doesn't ever head down that road.

Re:Latter Canceled. Need New Avenues. (2)

TiberiusMonkey (1603977) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099286)

I think I must be about the only person in the world that detested most of the early Extended Universe (Zahn included) stuff as much as he detested the prequels that followed some years later. No idea what the later stuff was like as I never bothered with it, Han Solo calling someone a "panty waste" and lame story after story was just too much for me.

Re:Never mind prequels (1)

TBoon (1381891) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099188)

Among one of the things I've heard was that he said (at the time of making the prequels) that he didn't want to make episode 7-9 because he "would be too old for that" by the end of it... Guess he changed his mind, as well as the setting and format...

The first is still the best (5, Insightful)

aurispector (530273) | more than 4 years ago | (#31098840)

I recall watching the original Ep.4 as a 12 year old. The bar scene was particularly intense because it showed humans as a bit player in a big, bad universe. Fast forward to the updated remake with the CGI singer - just another funny looking alien to laugh at. The two headed announcer in the pod race scene is another example - funny aliens who exist primarily for the amusement of a human dominated universe. I don't think Lucas ever grasped this difference.

Re:The first is still the best (3, Insightful)

kenp2002 (545495) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099080)

The "first" film was the best because you were 12 years old at the time. Talk to a 12 year old now and they love pod races.

Nostalgia is a lie. I liked Jedi the most because it appealed to me at my age at that time.

We hate the prequels because we expected to see them like we were all 10 years old again. The problem was we are all now in our 30s for example trying to watch a film made for young kids and expecting to see it like a young kid. The fact is the prequels were not made for us, they were made for kids and teens. The same way the original 3 were made. Have a 30 year old watch Star Wars for the first time and, on the few times I've been able to find someone who has never seen it, gotten the same 'meh' response I had to the Phantom Menace.

We like Firefly\Serentity because we can RELATE to it better. That is the key. My nephew loves the first 3 movies and is rather 'meh' about the last 3.

For all those "stop raping my childhood"... it's not your childhood. Your childhood is gone, past, finished... you are an adult now and you can't go back. it's now you children's childhood so "stop suppressing their childhood by trying to force your childhood upon them."

Let them reinvent Transformers, Thundercats, Voltron, Star Wars, Star Trek, Gobots, Silverhawks, Speed Racer, DBZ, and anything else they want to. None of you seem pissed that Barbie keeps getting rebooted every generation or would you prefer she stayed in the Kitchen barefoot and pregnate while Ken worked his union job driving a bus and threatening to punch Barbie "To the moon?"

Re:The first is still the best (1)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099150)

None of you seem pissed that Barbie keeps getting rebooted every generation or would you prefer she stayed in the Kitchen barefoot and pregnate while Ken worked his union job driving a bus and threatening to punch Barbie "To the moon?"

Sir, I salute you in lieu of mod points that I don't have. You captured my sentiments exactly.

Re:The first is still the best (4, Funny)

p4ul13 (560810) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099162)

Perfectly stated!

Or more accurately, stated in a manner that completely agrees with my stance, which of course I consider to be perfect.

Re:The first is still the best (5, Insightful)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099306)

No, I think the parent makes a good point. The aliens are remarkably different from the two different trilogies. It doesn't matter if you're a child or not, as an adult we can see the difference between the treatment of the aliens.

Re:The first is still the best (1)

crazybilly (947714) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099340)

Well said. I do think that Episode I feels substantially different (note how shiny the ship is vs. the decroded Mellinuium Falcon), but those are pretty purposeful thematic choices (even if they're not as cool).

The best way to address this lack of perspective is from a quote from Episode IV that threatens to ruin the movie with its overwhelming lameness almost as much as Jar-Jar did Episode I:

You came in that? You're braver than I thought!"

Don't forget to feign incredulity.

Re:The first is still the best (5, Insightful)

sammy baby (14909) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099362)

There's an easy test to your theory. Go find some people who saw all of the movies as adults and ask them what they think. So far, everyone I've asked who was an adult for both sets of movies (including a bunch of friends in the office and my dad, a lifelong sci fi fan) thought the original films were much better.

I'm not saying they were masterpieces. But chalking it all up to the audience having grown up is just willfully denying what everybody really knows.

Re:The first is still the best (5, Insightful)

ibwolf (126465) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099380)

Have a 30 year old watch Star Wars for the first time and, on the few times I've been able to find someone who has never seen it, gotten the same 'meh' response I had to the Phantom Menace.

Anyone who hasn't seen Star Wars by the time they turn 30 are not going to enjoy it. Not because it doesn't appeal to 30 year olds, but because if that person was likely to enjoy fantasy/sci-fi movies he or she would have watched the movie a long time ago. It's not like the Star Wars movies are a well kept secret.

Back in 1977 there were literally millions of 30+ year olds queuing up to see the movie (and enjoying it!).

The thing is, the original Star Wars was a movie for all ages. Episode One (in particular) was a kids movie with little regard for the kids' parents.

Re:The first is still the best (3, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099416)

Given the nature of the subject matter in the prequels it SHOULD have been something that a 30 year old could relate to better.

It should have been more Dune and less Howard the Duck.

Re:The first is still the best (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31099134)

I don't think you've realised you've grown up.

Children are much easier to impress. They don't see the logical fallacies and they fill in gaps with their own imagination. As an adult you just think "that's shallow crap". Kids these days probably like Teletubby Jarjar or the 2-headed announcer.

When I look back at the movies and series I loved as a child/teenager I can only shake my head in amazement that anybody could have liked this trite crap :)

Re:The first is still the best (1)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099278)

There was no Ep. 4 .. there was only StarWars

Yes, wipe away shameless merchandising... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31098842)

...with more merchandising! I'm so glad the marketing department approved of this plan!

Greedo shoots (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31098844)

...first in the opening sequence of every episode

Memories of Jar Jar (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31098854)

Memories of Jar Jar sounds like a fragrance that George Lucas would put on the market.

Re:Memories of Jar Jar (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#31098918)

Don't give him ideas. If there's the chance of making a buck, he'll try it.

Re:Memories of Jar Jar (1)

catd77 (1743104) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099470)

That and Taun Taun Inards Musk.

Release Date (5, Funny)

CFBMoo1 (157453) | more than 4 years ago | (#31098908)

"There is no fixed release date for the show, but it's expected sometime in 2011 or 2012..."

Lets see, the Mayans called it in 2012.
Nostradamus called it around 2012.
People are all end times for 2012.
Then we had Jar Jar... DEAR GOD NO!

Must be said (3, Interesting)

kenp2002 (545495) | more than 4 years ago | (#31098914)

Your computer runs on smoke. Once you let the smoke out, you can't put it back in thus your computer has stopped working.

Or in the old days: "Once you let the cat out of the bag..."

The fact was Lucas proved you can in fact destroy a successful cannon of work. Most of the hard core Star Wars fans I knew growing up washed their hands of the whole thing (some even went to the dark side... Trek...)

The whole "Joss Whedon is my master now" was a slap in the face to Lucas I'm sure but I think it is too late for damage control. The MMO crew I play with were chomping at the bit to beta test damn near everything out there with one exception.... the new Star Wars MMO coming out. With the first 3 films plus that train wreck of an MMO and it's subsequent "fixes" the franchise is dead. The inital 3 month subscription figures will be telling on how bad the damage has been.

Warhammer and most AAA MMOs should clear around 500,000 copies in the first 90 days and should clear at least 200,000 in pre-orders. Watching this new MMO release may gauge how much damage the franchise has taken over the years.

Comic runs, novels, etc are all factored into the success. Prior to the first 3 films in the series at the local book store there was an entire section (4 shelves high, arm span length) of Star Wars books. Now it is a single shelf post-prequels. That strikes me as significant damage. That puts the book count equal to Terry Brooks Shannara series and they haven't even gotten a film yet (which is suprising, the first three books strike me as very film\mini-series friendly. In fact now that I think of it the first book The Sword of Shannara would make a pretty good 3 season series or 4 part mini-series. The special effect requirement for his works is actually rather low until Scions...)

Re:Must be said (2, Insightful)

bkr1_2k (237627) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099032)

I think you've hit the nail on the head. Finding Star Wars books that weren't in the "young adult" section used to be much easier, and they were even decent pulp, if not great novels. Lucas is a shitty writer and horrible director. If he writes the first year of episodes I can guarantee I won't be watching any of it.

Reading the article mentioned they wanted it to be like "Young Indiana Jones", which I was surprised to hear about for the first time. If it has the same success, I suspect this star wars "series" won't last very long.

Re:Must be said (2, Funny)

kria (126207) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099130)

Despite having approval on the novels (at least, that's what I've heard), Lucas let a lot of things go into the novels that he later contradicted with the prequels. I feel tremendous sympathy for these novelists scrambling to reconcile what has been written and things that are now, for good or ill, considered canon.

Re: GP's comments about the MMO, I got the impression that Bioware and the Old Republic era works have a much better odor among fans. I know that my husband, who is a much bigger fan than I am, is chomping at the bit for TOR to come out. (And I assure you, he is definitely anti-prequel. He's currently running a D6 WEG Star Wars tabletop game in which he has repeatedly hammered home to the players that the events of the prequels are NOT what happened in his game.)

Re:Must be said (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099120)

Honestly, I could not make head nor tail of your entire post, despite re-reading it several times. "Single shelf"? "Book count"? You're sure you're a fan of a movie, and not someone in the publishing industry?

Re:Must be said (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31099358)

Well that's funny, I had no problem making sense of her post. Maybe you're just incredibly slow?

"Jar Jar Binks, Anakin and Padme's romance" (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31098944)

There's a 3-way my mind could have done without.

Re:"Jar Jar Binks, Anakin and Padme's romance" (1)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099084)

could have been worse, someone could have mentioned with that tongue jar jar could do oral sex on someone's fallopian tubes or large intestines

Re:"Jar Jar Binks, Anakin and Padme's romance" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31099390)

*facepalm*

Circling further down the drain as soap drama (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31098958)

"much darker," a "much more character-based series" and "more adult,"

That sounds like Stargate Universe all over again: a once great Scifi universe gets turned into another whiny soap drama.

Who said Hollywood was out of ideas ;)

Re:Circling further down the drain as soap drama (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31099050)

Stargate was never high octane Sci-Fi, but it was fun, and they established 15 seasons of workable formulaic style and 15 seasons of cannon, and then SGU comes along and they have to make it younger, hipper and edgier and more character based, and they ended up with, not a space opera, but a soap opera in space. It was a real shame. As a stand alone show it might not have been so bad, but the premise itself and much of what has happened has been dependent on those 15 seasons of cannon. Well, I will always have my DVD boxed sets of SG1 and SGA.

Do, or do not. There is no try! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31098982)

Yoda had it right: you can either produce something great that is actually worth watching, or you make something crappy and forgettable. The more Lucas was involved in the projects the crappier they became, so here's hoping he'll let other more skilled people do the work.

Easy, George, Let Somebody Else Direct It (4, Insightful)

ScottyB (13347) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099002)

George, there's an easy way to go back to the "good old days" before the prequels (if you haven't seen the 7-part, 1+-hour-long review of the Phantom Menace on youtube, go now and find it). Let somebody else direct them, and you just be a producer. It's clear that nobody on your staff is willing to contradict your "artistic vision," and thus we end up with crap results. Let somebody else direct, and then you throw in some criticism for a back-and-forth, and maybe these won't suck.

But smart money would be on them being terrible.

Why is "darker" seen as "better"? (4, Interesting)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099020)

Why do so many screenwriters equate "something that adults will enjoy" with "darker"?

Most of Raiders of the Lost Ark was not "dark", but I loved it when it came out, and I still really like it. There was action, adventure, wonder, and surprise. There was no soul searching over life's moral ambiguities, or "deep" plot elements where Indy tortured bad guys with car batteries. Similar with the first Star Wars movie (episode 4).

If this is Lucas' attempt to atone for past mistakes, it seems like he's still off the mark.

Article Starts With a Flawed Premise (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31099024)

The opening sentence of the article states "In the history of cinema it's hard to top the utter disappointment felt when watching George Lucas' follow ups to the original Star Wars movies."

I don't know about that. I saw Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

Memories of who? (1)

davidwr (791652) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099034)

"There was no Jar Jar" *wave of hand* - Master Lucas

You want good Star Wars episodes? (-1)

PHPNerd (1039992) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099046)

One word: Joss.

Re:You want good Star Wars episodes? (1)

Deisatru (1605213) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099164)

If Joss gets involved, they could bring jarjar back, I am sure he would kill him with gratuitous amounts of gore quickly. I figure we would see everyone but leiah and luke die if Joss gets involved. While I think Joss is an excellent screenwriter, I am still pissed about Wash.

I am a leaf on the wind, watch me soar.

Re:You want good Star Wars episodes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31099266)

"Oh, uh, actually "Watch how I soar" is actually my line. Hehe." :)
(Alan Tudik, Serenity bloopers)

"Much darker" my ass (5, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099070)

These days "Much darker than its predecessor" has become Hollywood doublespeak. It means nothing. "This Harry Potter movie will be much darker than the last one" is just the studio's way of trying to get more adults to come see it (at the end of the day, it still ends up being the same PG-13 rated CGI-fest).

Here's a good rule of thumb, if they have to *say* it's much darker, it probably isn't. If you want to see if it's just doublespeak, ask the simple follow-up question "But it's still suitable for kids, right?" If they fall over themselves saying yes, then you know the "much darker" thing is just a con.

Re:"Much darker" my ass (1)

Assmasher (456699) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099158)

Exactly, when they say "much darker" I'll be interested if they mean "as in Dark Knight" darker; ergo, NOT suitable for children - or my wife.

Re:"Much darker" my ass (1)

paulhar (652995) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099214)

> These days "Much darker than its predecessor" has become Hollywood doublespeak. It means nothing.

Maybe they're much darker because they're 3d?

Re:"Much darker" my ass (2, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099274)

Either that or it means they didn't light the scenes properly.

Re:"Much darker" my ass (5, Funny)

jzarling (600712) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099252)

"Much Darker" just means more poorly lit sets.

Gritty means there will be rain, garbage strewn about, and major set pieces will be taking place in either abandoned industrial complexes, or abandoned buildings.

Re:"Much darker" my ass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31099262)

To be fair, the potter movies, just like the books, do get darker as the series progresses.

Hire the right person (1)

Montezumaa (1674080) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099104)

I suggest that Jorge tell Rick McCallum to go away and hire Mr. Plinkett: http://www.youtube.com/user/RedLetterMedia [youtube.com] At least the guy can point the series in the proper direction.

more than just three characters (3, Informative)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099126)

star wars horse has been beaten to death, skinned, gutted, bones and hooves boiled to glue. Then Lucas squatted over the offal and took a shit lasting for years. Time to forget the whole damn thing.

Christmas special (0, Redundant)

Via_Patrino (702161) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099178)

Who doesn't remember that Christmas special? Can't be worse than that.

Re:Christmas special (1)

Cornwallis (1188489) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099206)

I was going to add that here comes an opportunity to do another Christmas special. I finally saw it a few months ago and my eyes are still leaking.

Force Unleashed (1)

djnforce9 (1481137) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099190)

I don't know about you, but I think he should somehow include the storyline used from the game "Star Wars - The Force Unleashed". That was really well done, fits nicely between episodes III and IV, and would make a great film adaptation (or multi-part TV episode).

REAL ACTORS! (1)

orateam (861461) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099202)

"Can George Lucas' new Star Wars TV series, the first Star Wars spin off with real actors" It would be the first time real actors were used in the entire Star Wars Saga.

Re:REAL ACTORS! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31099248)

Alec Guiness, Christopher Lee, Peter Cushing, Jimmy Smits. I rest my case.

Re:REAL ACTORS! (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099354)

Alec Guiness and Peter Cushing in the 1st movie wasnt exactly unknown nor unreal actors at that time. And if a prequel was ever made, maybe would had some known actors of that time, but sadly (fortunately?) that never happened.

Euwww (5, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099222)

Hopefully George Lucas can wipe the memory of Jar Jar Binks, Anakin and Padme's romance

I must have missed this perverse threesome when I watched the film.

meh (4, Funny)

rarel (697734) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099320)

I'll be waiting for CSI: Coruscant

"We found him in the Academy sewers and the burns on the decapitated corpse indicate lightsaber cuts, which means the killer is probably... *beat* It's not a Jedi that I'm looking for. Please move along. Move along!"

I actually liked Episode 1-3 (1)

f0rk (1328921) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099328)

I actually liked Episode 1-3. No trolling. I did !
I liked the new style, even tho it's not "Star Wars", but i still liked it.
He painted an epic world with an infinite amount of possible side stories and spin-offs.

He described a world more then actual characters.

More Sith (4, Interesting)

camperdave (969942) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099344)

Hey Lucas,

Instead of rehashing the train wreck you made of the Skywalker Saga, why don't you tell the story of the splitting of the Jedi and the Sith. In The Phantom Menace, Darth Maul says "At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have revenge." Tell THAT story: why they are in hiding; what are they getting revenge for.

Lucas on Daily Show (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31099348)

Did you see Lucas on the Daily Show? He really could care less. Based on that interview he should change his name to Count De Monet.

Didn't Jar Jar become a senator? (1)

Mr. Ascii (9572) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099414)

"when most of the Jedi and anti-emperor politicians were hunted down and killed."

You know what to do George.

Can Lucas erase the memory of JarJar? (0, Troll)

Cro Magnon (467622) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099420)

Missa no think so!

Maybe G. could jump on the franchise-reboot train! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31099442)

And they should get David Cronnenberg to direct it! Would be tempting to see how he portraits Yoda... or the Jabba and Leia part..

snap poll (0)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099464)

Can I get a show of hands?

How many of you believe that spacefaring races that travel among the stars will still have princesses?

Boba Fett? (1, Interesting)

Johnberg (1642323) | more than 4 years ago | (#31099468)

When did he become a major character? He had, what, 5 lines in all of the movies combined?
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