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Windows Patch Leaves Many XP Users With Blue Screens

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the could-be-worse-could-be-raining dept.

Bug 658

CWmike writes "Tuesday's security updates from Microsoft have crippled Windows XP PCs with the notorious Blue Screen of Death, users have reported on the company's support forum. Complaints began early yesterday, and gained momentum throughout the day. 'I updated 11 Windows XP updates today and restarted my PC like it asked me to,' said a user identified as 'tansenroy' who kicked off a growing support thread: 'From then on, Windows cannot restart again! It is stopping at the blue screen with the following message: 'A problem has been detected and Windows has been shutdown to prevent damage to your computer.' Others joined in with similar reports. Several users posted solutions, but the one laid out by 'maxyimus' was marked by a Microsoft support engineer as the way out of the perpetual blue screens."

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ha ha suckers!!! (5, Funny)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106338)

first po

Stop OxOOOOOOFC (OxB5FD7D64, Ox76F3E963, OxB5FD7CDC, OxOOOOOOO1)

A problem has been detected and windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer.

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106476)

Oh God. WHY did you use the letter instead of the number? *shudder*

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106484)

Please don't joke about this. I have been affected, and at the worst possible time, too. I have to submit my PhD dissertation tomorrow, and I don't know what the fuck I'm supposed to do now.

I can't boot up, and I have one of those HP computers that has everything built into the screen, so I can't even take the hard drive out.

I CAN'T GET MY FUCKING PHD DISSERTATION. I AM SO FUCKED.

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106558)

+1 funny :D

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106596)

Should have used Linux and LaTeX.

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (4, Informative)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106638)

It's not like the hard drive is bad. Just use knoppix or something. You're pretty dumb for someone getting a PhD. Maybe this is just the gods way of sending you a message.

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106672)

What I don't get is why people don't bother backing up important things like that.

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (4, Funny)

david_thornley (598059) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106758)

AC didn't say what his or her major was. I'd expect different computer competencies from a Computer Science major and a French Literature major. Or, given that AC is on Slashdot, perhaps an Anthropology major.

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (1)

Korin43 (881732) | more than 4 years ago | (#31107114)

A French Literature major on Slashdot? HERESY!

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (5, Informative)

harrkev (623093) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106770)

Agreed.

As long as you haven't turned on file encryption (only an option with XP Pro), you can easily recover everything. Do this:

1) Go to a friend's computer. Download and burn a copy of your favorite linux distro (I use Ubuntu).

2) Live-boot from the CD.

3) Mount the hard drive.

4) Insert your favorite USB storage device (make sure it is large enough).

5) Copy ALL important files to the USB drive (probably safest to copy your entire user directory, if your USB drive is big enough.

6) When done, re-format your hard drive and re-install XP.

7) Update your system completely.

8) Re-install all applications you need (office, etc.)

9) Copy your important files off of the USB drive.

Really, it is time-consuming, but I have had to do this exact same process for friends a bunch of times.

As far as the PhD goes, go up to step 5, and then use the friend's computer to print everything. Do steps 6-8 some other day.

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (1)

Provocateur (133110) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106868)

1) Go to a friend's computer. Download and burn a copy of your favorite linux distro (I use Ubuntu).

He did say he was on windows, so he might respond with 'what is this lunix that you speak of'?

So it's not just him, but also the horse he rode in on, thats f**ked.

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106926)

Corrected for #6

Install Ubuntu and live problem free

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (4, Funny)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106962)

You're pretty dumb for someone getting a PhD

I'm not sure if I should laugh at how wrong this is, or cry because of how wrong this is.

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (1)

pdabbadabba (720526) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106978)

You're pretty dumb for someone getting a PhD.

Perhaps the field in which GP is getting a PhD is, you know, not technical?

Not a single person... (1)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 4 years ago | (#31107014)

Am I the only one who thought the GPP wa a joke, along lines of "the dog ate my homework?"

Otherwise, as you said, it's the universes way of trying to tell him something.

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (1)

suso (153703) | more than 4 years ago | (#31107152)

It's not like the hard drive is bad. Just use knoppix or something. You're pretty dumb for someone getting a PhD. Maybe this is just the gods way of sending you a message.

Don't put much faith in titles like PhD. We had a PhD candidate apply for a web development position with us once and they actually listed on their resume that they know how to use weather.com, ebay.com, etc. I mean, if you wrote them, that's one thing, but those sites are designed for the LCD, not PhD.

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (5, Informative)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106712)

First, take a deep breath. The most important rule is "Don't Panic".

Next, you download a Linux distro with a LiveCD. Ubuntu's a little bloaty, but it's got a lot of drivers right out of the box. If you've got internet access, you should be able to do that. If not, then you'll have to contact a friend with access or do it from the lab. Grab a beer while you wait -- it'll be a while.

Burn the liveCD and boot with that. You might have to edit your BIOS settings to boot from CD first. Choose the "try Ubuntu without making any changes to your computer" option. Once it boots up, you'll be able to access your hard drive, and most importantly, your dissertation. Print the fucking thing, email it to your gmail account, and while you're at it, email what you've got to your professor. Let him know that you're "having computer problems, so I'm sending what I could recover in the meantime." Remember that computers fail all the time so you have to keep copies of important papers on physically separate systems.

You're apparently a smart enough guy to get a PhD, so you should be able to figure out how to navigate Ubuntu. It's basically the same as Windown, but with the bar on the top instead of the bottom. My daughter's six and she can use Puppy Linux.

Actually, you could probably use Puppy. The whole OS is only 150MB, so it'll download in a much shorter time than Ubuntu. It's not quite as polished, but I've had good luck with it.

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (1)

gknoy (899301) | more than 4 years ago | (#31107098)

I realize the grandparent was modded funny, but thank you for the sane and well-written (and complete) response which was better than what I would have written. If I had mod points I would have modded you up.

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (1)

ls671 (1122017) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106730)

Not to brag or anything, this is for information purpose only:

I installed the patch on Tuesday but I hadn't rebooted yet (I know, I know... ;-).

TFA got me nervous so I figured I might as well find out right now and reboot. I was quite happy that it rebooted without any problems so far ;-)

My windows box is a winXP SP2 running on a HP Pavillion a1450n, AMD Athlon dual core.

As a side note, I never managed to install SP3 on that machine although I have tried 3 times with a 4-5 months interval between each try, figuring I would give MS some time to fix stuff ;-) I managed to roll back to SP2 every time by going into the windows special boot menu and choosing "Last good known configuration" or something like that.

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106778)

HP has a special tool for removing the hard drive.

http://osopher.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/hammer1.jpg?w=300&h=283

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (1)

blackgod (1616805) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106790)

Just slip a Linux Live CD and boot. You will find your windows partition mounted (or ready to mount) on File manager. Click.. Click.. Click.. PhD is done :-)

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (1)

Neotrantor (597070) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106860)

way to make backups xDDDDDDDDDDD

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106874)

Please don't joke about this. I have been affected, and at the worst possible time, too. I have to submit my PhD dissertation tomorrow, and I don't know what the fuck I'm supposed to do now.

I can't boot up, and I have one of those HP computers that has everything built into the screen, so I can't even take the hard drive out.

I CAN'T GET MY FUCKING PHD DISSERTATION. I AM SO FUCKED.

dude you are making it funnier

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106940)

I have the same damn problem - my work is due to be handed in TOMORROW and I lost it in the wash when the dog ate it.

Fortunately Microsoft killed by PC so I now have a decent excuse!

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (1)

blackgod (1616805) | more than 4 years ago | (#31107020)

do you think that revealing that you are using windows at home will be a **decent** excuse? better tell them that your dog ate it :-)

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106942)

So let me get this straight, you have your phd dissertation on a single machine? you have no backups? dude you got what you deserve, what sort of moron are you. during my dissertation I backed every single day and then made copies at the uni itself once a week just to be doubly safe, your using a fucking computer connected to the internet and you didn't bother to take basic precautions with something so valuable.

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106960)

microsoft ate my homework - lulz

anyway, just do as the link in the article says, i understand being in phd study doesnt actually mean you know anything about IT
but the fix isnt THAT difficult

PHysical eDucation (1)

poena.dare (306891) | more than 4 years ago | (#31107058)

I can't take you seriously when you AC and use caps.

Call me tonight and I'll fix it for you.

And wear something sexy.

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (1)

MillionthMonkey (240664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31107076)

That's certainly an interesting little background story you have. So what are you getting your PhD in anyway?

(Assuming you can get your computer to boot Windows again, I mean.)

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106756)

first po
Stop OxOOOOOOFC (OxB5FD7D64, Ox76F3E963, OxB5FD7CDC, OxOOOOOOO1)

A problem has been detected and windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer.

Look, if he was bluescreening he wouldn't bother to type "0x0000FFFF" He'd just say it.

"Oooooooo FFFFFFFF..."

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (1)

Xeno man (1614779) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106820)

Maybe he was dictating?

Re:ha ha suckers!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106786)

Stop OxOOOOOOFC (OxB5FD7D64, Ox76F3E963, OxB5FD7CDC, OxOOOOOOO1) A problem has been detected and windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer. It is highly recommended that this system be upgraded to Windows 7.

Fixed that for you...

in b4 the flamewar? (0, Flamebait)

isama (1537121) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106360)

lol, 10 years and it isn't stable yet :P

Re:in b4 the flamewar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106818)

Yeah, basically.

Re:in b4 the flamewar? (1)

Xeno man (1614779) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106902)

No. It was stable, then they broke it.

Did you see the solution? (5, Funny)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106366)

All I keep hearing in my head is:
They put the update in, you take the update out!
They put the update in, shake your laptop all about!
"You do the hokey pokey and you uninstall the patch! That's what it's all about!"

"ooooh... the windows bluescreen."
"ooooh... the windows bluescreen."
"ooooh... the windows bluescreen."
"That's what it's all about!"

Re:Did you see the solution? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106392)

there's a fix available here: http://www.ubuntu.com/

Re:Did you see the solution? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106416)

Apple marketers are just givin' their ideas away on Slashdot these days.

microsoft screws users again. Why is this news? (-1, Troll)

anwyn (266338) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106410)

When people figure it out Linux will still be here.

Re:microsoft screws users again. Why is this news? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106498)

And people will still be ignoring it.

Saw this last month (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106432)

I saw and fixed a similar issue in January. A particular KB had patched a .dll that was in fact rootkit infected, breaking the reference to some function call. Windows BSOD'd, claiming the whole partition was unmountable. Rolled back the KB in Recovery Console, sanitized the OS, and reapplied the KB. Problem solved.

Re:Saw this last month (5, Informative)

Dorkmunder (950796) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106492)

From the comments over a DShield on this topic http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=8209 [sans.org] it looks like this might be the case again

Re:Saw this last month (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106512)

Does the Windows update process, in fact, just naively apply patches to files that have the correct name and path, without verifying hashes or signatures, thus running a very high risk of breaking hard any file that had been slightly modified?

Or was this some subtler and more complex situation, where the modified file itself was fine; but some tampered-with component was depending on the precise behavior of the modified file?

Re:Saw this last month (1)

e2d2 (115622) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106664)

But why would that be a problem for them? The files they are updating are in their charge so no one else should be updating them. Do you mean a conflict with their own previous releases?

That being said signatures are a feature of security updates and any other software released by MS; They always sign their releases. Not sure about hash checking.

Note to self: clone hard disk before rebooting . . (2, Insightful)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106436)

. . . my Windows XP updates get pushed, pulled or shoved down my throat . . . this sounds like an excellent reason to clone my hard disk before rebooting, and logging on to my company's network . . .

Re:Note to self: clone hard disk before rebooting (1)

Onymous Coward (97719) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106514)

Good idea. I have my updates set to ask to download and ask to install. On download I'm reminded I need a backup, so I shut down the system without installing the updates, do the backup, boot to install, reboot, cross fingers.

Is anyone doing rsync backups (ooh, maybe even snapshots) of XP? Can rsync handle all the fs info needed to get a good backup? Right now I am indeed imaging the whole drive.

Re:Note to self: clone hard disk before rebooting (1)

denobug (753200) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106626)

Running a patch server so I can personally release patches as I please.

Remove automatic updates from your slipstream (1, Offtopic)

Antiocheian (859870) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106456)

Here is a list of Microsoft stuff to remove from your XP slipstream:

Automatic Updates (for reasons related to the article)
Windows media player (including 6.4) because it downloads codecs at will.
Accessibility Options (unless you need them)
ClipBook Viewer (useless)
Games
Internet Games
NT Backup (use a modern backup)
Paint
Pinball
Screensavers
WordPad (use openoffice for that)
ActiveX for streaming video
AOL ART Image Format Support
Images and Backgrounds
Intel Indeo codecs
Media Center
Mouse Cursors
Movie Maker
Music Samples
Old CDPlayer and Sound Recorder
Client for Netware Networks
Communication tools
Comtrol Test Terminal Program
FrontPage Extensions
H323 MSP
Internet Connection Wizard
IP Conferencing
MSN Explorer
Netmeeting
Network Setup Wizard
NWLink IPX/SPX/NetBIOS Protocol
Peer-to-Peer
Share Creation Wizard
Synchronization Manager
Vector Graphics Rendering (VML)
Windows Messenger .NET Framework
Blaster/Nachi removal tool (get Avira!)
Color Schemes
Desktop Cleanup Wizard (just have clean desktop)
Disk Cleanup (CCleaner instead)
Document Templates
DR Watson
Extensible Storage Engine (Esent97) (Ancient)
File and Settings Wizard (Useless)
Help and Support (Utterly useless)
IExpress Wizard
Manual Install and Upgrade (Just keep good system backups)
MS Agent
MS XML 2.0
Out of Box Experience (OOBE)
Search Assistant (the dog)
Service Pack Messages
Shell Media Handler
Symbolic Debugger (NTSD)
Tour
Web View
Zip Folders (rar instead)
Error Reporting
IMAPI CD-Burning COM Service (imgburn for these old devices)
System Restore Service
Hardware shell detection (this is one of the pieces that allow USB viruses to run in the first place)

Re:Remove automatic updates from your slipstream (5, Insightful)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106676)

Here is a list of Microsoft stuff to remove from your XP slipstream:

Automatic Updates (for reasons related to the article)
Windows media player (including 6.4) because it downloads codecs at will.
Accessibility Options (unless you need them)
ClipBook Viewer (useless)
Games
Internet Games ...

Long list, wouldn't it be simpler to just remove Windows XP in it's entirety from your PC and replace it with something else?

Re:Remove automatic updates from your slipstream (1)

pjfontillas (1743424) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106910)

This list is obviously sarcastic. You're right, though, about simply removing XP in it's entirety and replacing it with something else.

Re:Remove automatic updates from your slipstream (3, Insightful)

pluther (647209) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106930)

But then how will I run Mass Effect 2?

Re:Remove automatic updates from your slipstream (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 4 years ago | (#31107016)

But then how will I run Mass Effect 2?

Oh, quit your WINEing...

Re:Remove automatic updates from your slipstream (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31107094)

Here is a list of Microsoft stuff to remove from your XP slipstream:

Automatic Updates (for reasons related to the article)
Windows media player (including 6.4) because it downloads codecs at will.
Accessibility Options (unless you need them)
ClipBook Viewer (useless)
Games
Internet Games ...

Long list, wouldn't it be simpler to just remove Windows XP in it's entirety from your PC and replace it with something else?

THAT'S THE JOKE.

Re:Remove automatic updates from your slipstream (2, Funny)

buswolley (591500) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106954)

Keep Pinball. I love that old game. Very well done, and might be the best Win software ever.

Liars! (5, Funny)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106482)

You know how I know they are lying? They are posting complaints online. We designed this patch -specifically- to stop online complaints about updates. They clearly haven't actually updated.

-Bill Gates

What? (5, Funny)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106486)

'I updated 11 Windows XP updates today...

You updated your updates? You're doing it wrong.

Re:What? (4, Funny)

Arthur Grumbine (1086397) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106736)

To be fair, his computer had just been pimped by Xzibit...

Re:What? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106768)

Yo dawg, we heard you like updates so...

Well, you know the rest.

Re:What? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106812)

Yo dawg, I herd you like updates, so we put updates in your updates, so you can bluescreen while you bluescreen.

Re:What? (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#31107008)

You updated your updates?

Its a real mark of how comitted MS is to security that they update their updates to their updates, and all require restarts.

Need confirmation (5, Interesting)

dave562 (969951) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106490)

An MVP poster in the thread claims that KB977165 causes the problem, and that the problem only occurs on computers that have been compromised by exploit code. The patch in question patches the NT kernel executable files.

If it is true that only compromised computers blue screen then it's hard to fault Microsoft for their patch code choking when it stumbles across the exploit code.

I wonder if they are going to push out an updated patch that at least performs some sort of sanity checking before attempting to modify the files. I doubt it. They'll just pass the buck and tell users that their computers were already hosed and that the BSOD is a "feature" and that they should have re-installed the OS anyway (because we all know that once your Windows box is pwnt, the only way to deal with it is full format and re-install).

Re:Need confirmation (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106646)

An MVP poster in the thread claims that KB977165 causes the problem, and that the problem only occurs on computers that have been compromised by exploit code. The patch in question patches the NT kernel executable files.

If it is true that only compromised computers blue screen then it's hard to fault Microsoft for their patch code choking when it stumbles across the exploit code.

I wonder if they are going to push out an updated patch that at least performs some sort of sanity checking before attempting to modify the files. I doubt it. They'll just pass the buck and tell users that their computers were already hosed and that the BSOD is a "feature" and that they should have re-installed the OS anyway (because we all know that once your Windows box is pwnt, the only way to deal with it is full format and re-install).

Re:Need confirmation (4, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106710)

If it is true that only compromised computers blue screen then it's hard to fault Microsoft for their patch code choking when it stumbles across the exploit code.

It's pretty easy to fault them for not taking a checksum before they patch to ensure that the file isn't modified. If it is, warn the user.

Re:Need confirmation (3, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106824)

I was thinking that perhaps mebbe they should have a backup copy of that pre-patched kernel somewhere and give you the option to boot from it as a failsafe.

Re:Need confirmation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106838)

I wans under the impression the "patch" replaces the file and not just binary diff so it shouldn't matter what the old one was.

Re:Need confirmation (1)

bloodhawk (813939) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106994)

The problem is not the checksum in these cases, if you have a compromised machine it is likely the compromising code has hooks and or drivers in the system, the result of then replacing what looks like a normal kernel to any checksum is it breaks the exploit code and hence blue screen the machine, unless you know to explicitly look for the exploit code you are pretty well hosed in detecting it during patching.

Re:Need confirmation (1)

Antony-Kyre (807195) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106714)

One extreme measure is to use software like Deep Freeze, coupled with an antivirus program. Maybe a good ad blocker firewall to prevent malicious ads from infecting one's machine.

Re:Need confirmation (4, Insightful)

RobDude (1123541) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106726)

Sort of.....

You can't really blame MS for a crash that happens because the .DLLs/code on someone's machine has been modified by a malicious 3rd party.

But, you can expect an MS (or any other OS) to take appropriate actions to avoid patching a file that isn't exactly what is expected.

What you'd really hope for, is that when a problem is detected during the update process (IE - Crap - this .DLL isn't the .DLL we expect. Something is wrong!' - instead of modifying the .DLL it would present the user with some meaningful information like, 'Hey - this patch failed. You probably have a virus....you should get that fixed'. Or something similar.

It's possible that the patch took some reasonable efforts to ensure the patch would only be applied as expected; but I don't know. I do know that, even if it did, it didn't work.

There is a world of difference between an 'infected' Windows machine that has some annoying pop-ups showing up every 15 minutes, but is otherwise functional, and a Windows machine that won't boot because of a recently installed patch.

Re:Need confirmation (5, Insightful)

russotto (537200) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106792)

There is a world of difference between an 'infected' Windows machine that has some annoying pop-ups showing up every 15 minutes, but is otherwise functional, and a Windows machine that won't boot because of a recently installed patch.

Yeah. The owner of the machine would rather have the former... while everyone else on the Internet would rather they had the latter, as the former is probably sending out spam and trying to infect every other machine it can find as well.

Re:Need confirmation (1)

ircmaxell (1117387) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106762)

You hit the nail on the head. IF the errors are caused by "compromised" dlls that are then patched, then TRWTF is that there is no sanity checking on the file. Hashes, signature checks, signing the files, etc... And if it did find a difference, don't just overwrite the file blindly, stop the update and tell someone that a file isn't how it should be... Then again, asking for something useful out of the Event Logger is like asking an infant to read and understand Einstein's General Theory of Relativity...

Re:Need confirmation (1)

dave562 (969951) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106854)

The Event Logging service is only as useful as the programmer writing the logging events. On my Proliant servers I find that it does a great job of reporting on hardware faults before they become failures. On the other hand with numerous applications I find myself having to dig through log files when I'd much rather they just wrote their errors into the Application log, so I feel your pain. A tool is only useful if it used correctly.

Re:Need confirmation (1)

ircmaxell (1117387) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106896)

Well, try debugging a driver issue with the event log. Or any "core" issue with windows for that matter. Even kernel errors (Segmentation faults and the such) aren't logged... Sure, Applications themselves can log useful information, but what ever happened to the operating system logging abnormalities?

Re:Need confirmation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31107132)

... They'll just pass the buck and tell users that their computers were already hosed and that the BSOD is a "feature" and that they should have re-installed the OS anyway (because we all know that once your Windows box is pwnt, the only way to deal with it is full format and re-install).

You mean buy a new copy of Windows and then reinstall.

wtf (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106504)

why are you people still using xp?

Intentional? (4, Insightful)

Jawshie (919956) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106528)

Well duh... How is Microsoft supposed to make any more money from you if they don't trash their old OS?

Just close your eyes and chant (4, Funny)

harris s newman (714436) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106536)

Windows costs less, is more secure, and superior to opensource OS's. And hope your boss hears you before your fired.

Re:Just close your eyes and chant (5, Funny)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106766)

Windows costs less, is more secure, and superior to opensource OS's.

And hope your boss hears you before your fired.

Before my fired what?

Re:Just close your eyes and chant (1)

harris s newman (714436) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106928)

This is not reverse polish notation.

I dont' HAVE a DVD or CD... it's a hard drive part (1)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106560)

My machine has a hard drive partition with the "recovery" disk.

I think I have automatic patches turned off on the XP box but I have automatic patching on the windows 7 box.

I think I'm going to figure out how to turn it off when I get home.

Re:I dont' HAVE a DVD or CD... it's a hard drive p (2, Informative)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106950)

You can install the recovery console as a boot option:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307654 [microsoft.com]

(You should have an I386 folder somewhere)

It is more complicated for Vista and later:

http://blogs.msdn.com/winre/archive/2007/01/12/how-to-install-winre-on-the-hard-disk.aspx [msdn.com]

Not the solution (1)

Jim Hall (2985) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106658)

Several users posted solutions, but the one laid out by 'maxyimus' was marked by a Microsoft support engineer as the way out of the perpetual blue screens.

I don't think this is the solution you were thinking of. The linked solution [microsoft.com] has these notes:

# Proposed As Answer byFred_H 21 hours 11 minutes ago

# Marked As Answer by Cody - Support Engineer Microsoft Support, Moderator 20 hours 13 minutes ago

# Unmarked As Answer by Cody - Support Engineer Microsoft Support, Moderator 20 hours 12 minutes ago

So it seems "Cody - Support Engineer Microsoft Support, Moderator" had second thoughts about a minute after marking this as the solution.

[Disclaimer: I run Linux, not XP, so I don't really care either way.]

Re:Not the solution (0, Troll)

Bobfrankly1 (1043848) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106728)

I thought the solution was, 1:boot to cmd prompt 2: type format c: 3: press "y" when prompted 4: insert ubuntu live CD 5: follow on screen prompts for installation 6:... 7: Profit!

Re:Not the solution (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106968)

That solution shouldn't really cause any additional problems, I imagine it was unmarked because it is overzealous, uninstalling all of the updates instead of a single update (presumably the problem is related to a single update).

How is Microsoft supposed to make any more (1)

ticktickboom (1054594) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106696)

How is Microsoft supposed to make any more money from you if they don't trash their old OS?

LOL (-1, Troll)

bigredradio (631970) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106706)

LOL!
  • Linux Desktop Use: Since '99
  • Mac Desktop Use: '96-'99
  • Last Windows Used (by choice): Windows 3.1

Re:LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106876)

LOL Harder!!

  • Abacus: Since 1500AD
  • HP Calculator: Since 1984
  • Dismembered head patched into the internet: Since 1990 - I was there early.
  • About to be put into alien spacecraft....2010 - ???

Re:LOL (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106920)

LOL! Games played since 1996:

  • Quake
  • StarCraft
  • Myst

Re:LOL (1)

samriel (1456543) | more than 4 years ago | (#31107148)

Erm... ALL of those have run on Macs since 1996.
Citations? Sure:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarCraft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quake
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myst
Look in the righthand column.

Thanks for the scoop (0, Redundant)

texnogeekz (1743414) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106722)

I'm glad I did not experience this threat yet

UNmarked as Answer... one minute later! (1)

macraig (621737) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106724)

Why would TFS even highlight that post in the discussion, when the support engineer's promotion of it was retracted almost as soon as it was added?

The memo making the rounds at Redmond (1)

Provocateur (133110) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106774)

...indicates that this *was* after all, the nostalgia patch.

The nut behind the wheel (0, Troll)

westlake (615356) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106892)

'I updated 11 Windows XP updates today and restarted my PC like it asked me to

What sort of loon patches multiple machines without first testing the patch?

XP has about 70% or so of the client market. How many millions or tens of millions of patches have been installed successfully?

I always wait for a while (4, Insightful)

reboot246 (623534) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106898)

I let Windows inform me about updates, and I choose when to download them and install them. If nobody else has any problems after a week or so, then and only then will I download and install the updates. I learned a long time ago not to trust anything from Microsoft.

I'd like to thank all of you who beta tested the updates for me!

Re:I always wait for a while (1)

blackgod (1616805) | more than 4 years ago | (#31107052)

me too :-) but all these problems are applicable only at works where i have to live (??) with windows.

Yay, no problems here! (2, Funny)

HouseOfMisterE (659953) | more than 4 years ago | (#31106916)

I updated yesterday and haven't had any problems. I feel like I won the lottery!

Re:Yay, no problems here! (0)

blackgod (1616805) | more than 4 years ago | (#31107080)

possibly you would have updated linux, by any chance? :-)

Constant BSOD... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31106990)

This is different from.... what?

A quick fix (5, Informative)

Bloom Berg (1743432) | more than 4 years ago | (#31107012)

from ars [arstechnica.com] : Users in the thread have tracked down a fix, though it requires using a copy of the Windows disc (or for netbook users without an optical drive, a bootable USB drive with Windows on it): Boot from your Windows XP CD or DVD and start the recovery console (see KB307654 for help with this step) Type this command: CHDIR $NtUninstallKB977165 $\spuninst Type this command: BATCH spuninst.txt Type this command: systemroot Good luck. When complete, type this command: exit

Resistance is futile. You will upgrade. (3, Insightful)

Animats (122034) | more than 4 years ago | (#31107104)

Resistance is futile. You WILL upgrade to Windows 7 as instructed. We are in full control of your computer. Your computer will remain deactivated until you comply with our instructions. You have no alternative but to obey.

gearkraft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31107156)

Hey I'm sure this news will never make it over to the geniuses at Neowin. They've got too much to make fun of with apple's new hardware.

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