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Breaking the Squid Barrier

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the calimari-for-the-5000 dept.

Earth 126

An anonymous reader writes "Dr. Steve O'Shea of Auckland, New Zealand is attempting to break the record for keeping deep sea squid alive in captivity, with the goal of being able to raise a giant squid one day. Right now, he's raising the broad squid, sepioteuthis australis, from egg masses found in seaweed. This is a lot harder than it sounds, because the squid he's studying grow rapidly and eat only live prey, making it hard for them to keep the squid from becoming prey themselves. If his research works out, you might one day be able to visit an aquarium and see giant squid."

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Squidcam (2, Insightful)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139416)

Well, until they have them at Coney Island, I'll just keep my eye on the squidcam [aut.ac.nz] . I wonder how long I can control it for...

Re:Squidcam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31139476)

I hate to break this to you but those are just Sea Monkeys.

Re:Squidcam (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139826)

Why does a webcam need Java?

Re:Squidcam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31139984)

Who cares?

Re:Squidcam (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31140044)

To keep it awake at night?

Re:Squidcam (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140362)

For rich features that aren't currently possible with other technologies like flash, html, etc.

Re:Squidcam (4, Funny)

sg_oneill (159032) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140394)

Java also gives the web designer a more broader pallette of techniques for crashing the users browsers that work cross platform just as god intended.

Re:Squidcam (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140574)

That's historically been the case. However, the java plugin has recently been rewritten and the newer version is much faster and eliminates browser crashes (the applet executes in a separate process).

It's just a shame that Sun (now Oracle) hasn't open sourced the plugin, even though they said they would.

Re:Squidcam (1)

skine (1524819) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140868)

Java also gives the web designer a more broader ...

Goddamnit, I'm on Ubuntu! My Java can't support impropper gr

Re:Squidcam (5, Funny)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 4 years ago | (#31142372)

Saying Java is better because it works on all platforms is like saying anal sex is better because it works on all genders.

Re:Squidcam (1)

umghhh (965931) | more than 4 years ago | (#31142794)

Not sure what you want to say- that a. sex is better than other kinds or opposite?

Re:Squidcam (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 4 years ago | (#31141434)

Like what, exactly?

Re:Squidcam (1)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | more than 4 years ago | (#31141906)

Correction: Why does a slideshow need java?

Answer: Because the programmer used Java.

My bandwidth monitor says it's using about 14KB per second. They could have released it as a 128kbit video stream instead.

A simple plan (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31139452)

1. Raise giant squid
2. ???
3. Profit!

I think #2 could easily be "open chain of squid restaurants" or "conquer the world"

Re:A simple plan (4, Funny)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139484)

pen chain of squid restaurants

Or sell the meat to an already popular franchise...

McCalamari? McSquid? No... I've got it!

McKraken!

Re:A simple plan (1)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139862)

Better than McLovin.

Re:A simple plan (0, Redundant)

AlmondMan (1163229) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140042)

I see what you did there :)

Re:A simple plan (4, Informative)

Ma8thew (861741) | more than 4 years ago | (#31142256)

From Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] :

Giant squid and some other large squid species maintain neutral buoyancy in seawater through an ammonium chloride solution which flows throughout their body and is lighter than seawater. This differs from the method of floatation used by fish, which involves a gas-filled swim bladder. The solution tastes somewhat like salmiakki and makes giant squid unattractive for general human consumption.

Re:A simple plan (1, Insightful)

stockard (1431131) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139812)

You could also keep it as a defense for your island fortress against James Bond a la Dr. No! (The novel, not the movie.)

Re:A simple plan (3, Funny)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139962)

"open chain of squid restaurants"

You know, in Japan, parents tell their children that chicken "tastes just like squid".

What kind of chicken!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31140542)

> You know, in Japan, parents tell their children that chicken "tastes just like squid".

Maybe if your chicken has been rubberized and marinated in fish oil or something...

Re:A simple plan (1)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140404)

2) Contract to Japan for a live-action version of their most popular anime, "Tentacle Rape Monster Conquers Teenage Schoolgirl".

Re:A simple plan (2, Funny)

Talarohk (1198901) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140620)

One problem: giant squid flesh has a high concentration of ammonium ions, and so probably tastes like urine-soaked diapers.

Re:A simple plan (1)

Cylix (55374) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140832)

I'm sure there is a niche market willing to pay more then face value now that you have mentioned it tastes like diapers.

Re:A simple plan (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 4 years ago | (#31142386)

Japan! Squid a la schoolgirl knickers!

Re:A simple plan (1)

riT-k0MA (1653217) | more than 4 years ago | (#31141202)

Do they come with sonic blasters to counter the laser-sharks?

Re:A simple plan (1)

strongpassword (1741210) | more than 4 years ago | (#31141256)

#2 is "attach frickin' lasers to them"

Re:A simple plan (2, Interesting)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#31141430)

1. Raise giant squid
2. ???
3. Profit!

I think #2 could easily be "open chain of squid restaurants" or "conquer the world"

You could also sell them as exotic pets to rich, stupid people.

A more legitimate use would be to prevent them from going extinct. They don't seem to be classified as endangered, but I'd guess that might have more to do with our ability to observe and count them than their actual likelyhood of going extinct.

What came to my mind first though was that giant squids might then be useful as model organisms for various studies. The giant axons of squids (regular sized squids, giant axons) were useful for first identifying the motor protein kinesin [nih.gov] , and I've heard were also useful for early studies on neurons. Different animals may be particularly useful for doing research on, but if you can't keep them in a lab setting or catch many fresh, that really prevents that. Maybe the giant squid has some really interesting cellular process, we could study it, and learn something that will eventually cure cancer. Maybe not.

Re:A simple plan (1)

TamCaP (900777) | more than 4 years ago | (#31141870)

Some neuroscientists still work with the giant squid axon. And yes, it was used extensively in neuroscience, an elegant collection of works by Hodgkin and Huxley (foundation of modern electrophysiology) comes to mind. They even received a Nobel prize for their work in 1963 (the research was published in the early 50s).

Re:A simple plan (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#31142122)

Some neuroscientists still work with the giant squid axon. And yes, it was used extensively in neuroscience, an elegant collection of works by Hodgkin and Huxley (foundation of modern electrophysiology) comes to mind. They even received a Nobel prize for their work in 1963 (the research was published in the early 50s).

I guess my bias was showing a little there :-P My undergrad neuroscience prof must have been better than I thought if I even vaguely remembered that.

Ob-Titans (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31139492)

RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!!

Re:Ob-Titans (1)

LukeWebber (117950) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139686)

And don't forget the frikkin' lasers this time, dammit!

Re:Ob-Titans (1, Interesting)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140108)

Since the movie has now been referenced (I swear I did not set this up) how many are annoyed that they are remaking this movie?

It is not the same blasephemy as when they remade Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory or The Day the Earth Stood Still, but it feels close.

Re:Ob-Titans (2, Interesting)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140114)

Sorry to reply to myself, but I would have been ok with it if they had kept the mechanical owl :)

Re:Ob-Titans (1)

ehrichweiss (706417) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140536)

Well played, sir.

Compulsory. (1)

MokuMokuRyoushi (1701196) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139502)

I for one welcome our new giant squid overlords.

Re:Compulsory. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31139730)

  1. It is "Obligatory" not "Compulsory".
  2. It has been done to death.
  3. In Soviet Russia squid stays alive in captivity much longer that you!

Re:Compulsory. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31139790)

You know what I welcome? The feeling of your face against my boot as I kick your head in.

Pet squid (0)

EdZ (755139) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139520)

Having a pet squid would be pretty neat. Pity that they require such comparatively large tanks for even a small squid.

Re:Pet squid (1)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139540)

Plus they can eat prey up to 1.5x their size, so trying to keep it in the bathtub without telling your wife probably isn't going to turn out well...

Re:Pet squid (1)

kryptKnight (698857) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139588)

trying to keep it in the bathtub without telling your wife probably isn't going to turn out well...

Unless you're into that kind of thing, in which case it'll turn out great!

Re:Pet squid (1)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139760)

I submit to you: The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife [wikipedia.org] (NSFW, unless you work in antique Japanese quasi-porn)

Re:Pet squid (1)

GoochOwnsYou (1343661) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140720)

You know theres an entire anime genre dedicated to that sort of thing

Re:Pet squid (1)

value_added (719364) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139838)

Plus they can eat prey up to 1.5x their size, so trying to keep it in the bathtub without telling your wife probably isn't going to turn out well...

I keep my eels in a hovercraft. Maybe that would work for squid?

Re:Pet squid (1)

Goodl (518602) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143008)

only if you cannot buy this record, it is scratched!

Re:Pet squid (1)

afabbro (33948) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139890)

Plus they can eat prey up to 1.5x their size, so trying to keep it in the bathtub without telling your wife probably isn't going to turn out well...

Hans Reiser thanks you for failing to mention this idea until now.

Re:Pet squid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31140528)

My giant squid tried eating your mom but he died asphyxiated.

Meanwhile (5, Funny)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139536)

Giant squid are trying to break the human barrier: to tes how long they can keep human beings alive at great depth. Currently the record stands at 120 seconds.

Re:Meanwhile (1)

aplusjimages (939458) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140204)

maybe that's a better solution. Grow human babies in deep water pressures and then let them study the squids.

Re:Meanwhile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31141060)

If they ever manage to communicate, that's one hell of a paper they could write.

Re:Meanwhile (5, Funny)

Elky Elk (1179921) | more than 4 years ago | (#31142322)

That's part of the scientific exchange program, done on a squid pro quo basis.

Re:Meanwhile (3, Funny)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#31142472)

done on a squid pro quo basis.

Aghhhh!

I am having a brain MRI tomorrow morning and if it shows abnormalities it is all your fault.

Re:Meanwhile (4, Informative)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 4 years ago | (#31142548)

Do you know that MRI scanners use SQUIDs?

Seriously: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQUID [wikipedia.org]

Re:Meanwhile (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#31142616)

I'm done for. They will scan my brain for remnants of this article, do away with me and march on New Zealand to rescue their brothers and sisters.

I am starting to get worried now. I am pretty sure that I have not acquired any lumps of metal in my eyes over the last 44 years, but how can I be sure? This is my first time in a really strong magnetic field and I don't want to find out what it feels like if there are unaccounted metallic splinters in there. I plan to keep my eyes closed.

Re:Meanwhile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31142698)

That's part of the scientific exchange program, done on a squid pro quo basis.

High fives.

Would you kindly (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31139568)

let me have a first post?

Re:Would you kindly (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31139606)

no.

I don't think... (1, Insightful)

Antony-Kyre (807195) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139594)

giant squids were meant to live in captivity. Seems kind of cruel. But, oh well.

Re:I don't think... (4, Insightful)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139786)

I don't think giant squids were meant to live in captivity. Seems kind of cruel. But, oh well.

I don't think humans were meant to live in captivity, but here we fucking are. Wake up in a box, go to work in a different box, come home to the first box, repeat.

On weekends we to stay in the first box; Sometimes we come out, but typically our weekends are spent maintaining the box.

A captive squid is no more cruel than a captive cow or a captive cat or the fly buzzing around trying to go through your window.

Re:I don't think... (2, Insightful)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140176)

"meant to"? who sets those rules anyway. have you asked a squid if it likes it or not? maybe they fucking LOVE being in captivity, for all you know they hate having to swim about all day trying to find food with the threat of starvation ever present.

My dog wasn't meant to live inside either, but that doesn't stop him howling at the back door wanting to come in and jump all over the bed.

Re:I don't think... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31142946)

So bleak and EDGY. Want to go Hot Topic sometime?

Re:I don't think... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31140278)

giant squids were meant to live in captivity. Seems kind of cruel. But, oh well.

What WERE they meant to do, then? Be eaten by sperm whales? I'd bet if you asked the squid, he'd pick "aquarium life" over "sperm whale dinner" every time.

You should have stopped typing after you finished your subject.

And of couse, the captcha is "eyeball" - giant squids have the largest known eyeballs!

Re:I don't think... (1)

Ma8thew (861741) | more than 4 years ago | (#31142268)

Really? If I were a giant squid, I'd take the freedom to roam the worlds oceans over living in a fairly small glass box any day.

Why does the caged squid sing? (4, Insightful)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139652)

That isn't singing. Air is escaping from the squid's pores because there isn't enough atmospheric pressure at sea level to properly hold the colloidal structure together which makes it sound like the squid is singing.

Feeding is only one aspect of caring for giant squids.

BAG (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31139710)

Feeding is only one aspect of caring for trolls like BAG.

FTFY

Re:Why does the caged squid sing? (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#31141510)

Ouch. That sounds really bad/painful.

Can’t hey just use a pressurized aquarium?

This sounds like (by definition unnecessary) torture.

Only live prey? (2, Insightful)

nicknamenotavailable (1730990) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139720)

eat only live prey

So what do they plan to feed them once they become "giant" ?

chickens?
goats?
cows?

Just stand back from the pool, will ya?

Re:Only live prey? (1)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139748)

"Giant" is a misnomer. Compared to the average squid, these things are pretty huge, but they are only 2m in length in most cases. You could probably keep one fed on a couple broiler chickens every fourth day or so.

Re:Only live prey? (4, Informative)

Alcohol Fueled (603402) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140296)

When I hear "giant squid," I think of a... giant squid. Per Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] : "Giant squid can grow to a tremendous size: recent estimates put the maximum size at 13 metres (43 ft) for females and 10 metres (33 ft) for males from caudal fin to the tip of the two long tentacles (second only to the colossal squid at an estimated 14 metres (46 ft), one of the largest living organisms)."

The broad squid is a stepping stone. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31140768)

I guess I left a sentence out of the summary when I changed it around before submitting it, but just to be clear, his experiments with the broad squid are meant to be a stepping stone. He eventually plans to raise actual giant squid, which I'm sure will be quite a bit more difficult. So he's researching how to raise broad squid (which get quite large) and apply that work to raising giant squid.

I hope that clarifies things a little.

Re:Only live prey? (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 4 years ago | (#31142270)

estimated 14 metres (46 ft), one of the largest living organisms)."

Gotta love Wikipedia. I have a palm tree that's longer. One of the largest living ANIMALS perhaps.

Re:Only live prey? (1)

mforbes (575538) | more than 4 years ago | (#31142390)

Yes, if you want truly large living organisms, you need only take a look at this [abc.net.au] thing.

Re:Only live prey? (1)

darth dickinson (169021) | more than 4 years ago | (#31141128)

I would pay money (not a lot, mind you...) to see a video of a 2 meter long squid devouring a live chicken.

Easy headline to misread (4, Funny)

davidwr (791652) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139736)

The first thing that came to my mind was proxying web servers.

The second thing was a row of squid (the living kind) being used as a barricade.

Re:Easy headline to misread (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31139870)

I was thinking about a new diving record.

Re:Easy headline to misread (2, Funny)

niftyguy (1745152) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140170)

First thing that came to my mind was a new type of photon torpedo capable of penetrating the hull and shielding of a calamari cruiser.

Re:Easy headline to misread (4, Interesting)

FiloEleven (602040) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140382)

Silly me thought someone was going to attempt to learn their language--many species of squid use bio-luminescence to signal to each other in the depths, and the variety of patterns seen leads some scientists to believe that they have developed a rich visual language.

Re:Easy headline to misread (1)

Megahard (1053072) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140622)

I was thinking of an advance in measuring tiny magnetic fields [wikipedia.org]

Re:Easy headline to misread (2, Funny)

outsider007 (115534) | more than 4 years ago | (#31141860)

That's ok, I thought it was about gays in the military.

Becoming prey (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139768)

making it hard for them to keep the squid from becoming prey themselves.

Could be worse. :P

You know you hate proxies when ... (1)

benjto (1175995) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139836)

You know you hate proxies when you are disappointed this article isn't about the best ways to defeat them.

Squid Barrier? (1)

SEWilco (27983) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139934)

Don't say "breaking the squid barrier" around these aquariums.

Good luck (1)

theurge14 (820596) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139972)

He'll probably need to try 20,000 times or so.

cuttlefish are not quite squid... (4, Funny)

myc (105406) | more than 4 years ago | (#31139996)

nonetheless, trying to raise giant squid may not be a good idea:

http://xkcd.com/520/ [xkcd.com]

Re:cuttlefish are not quite squid... (5, Informative)

tkw954 (709413) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140796)

nonetheless, trying to raise giant squid may not be a good idea:

That's right, trying to raise a giant squid isn't a good idea, it's an awesome idea!

Re:cuttlefish are not quite squid... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31140960)

I have to admit that I have always wanted a pet cuttlefish. Damn smart little guys and relatively friendly.

Squid are smart too but they can be unfriendly mean fuckers.

An octopus is somewhere in between a cuttlefish and squid... in about the same sense that a monkey is "friendly." That is, they can be friendly but they're mischievous and given the chance will gladly rip off your face.

But tell me this ! (0, Redundant)

assemblerex (1275164) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140150)

attach lasers to their frickin' heads?

Re:But tell me this ! (1)

assemblerex (1275164) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140154)

Wow hivemind. Lukewebber you may be my lost twin.

How to break the squid barrier (1)

mysidia (191772) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140158)

Keeping Squid [squid-cache.org] alive is easy... make sure to feed [chi.il.us] it properly, meet the hardware requirements, ensure ample access to water, and follow basic care [blog.last.fm] guidelines.

Don't abuse or torture your squid.

TFA is NOT about a firewall? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31140182)

I should go get a life...

oops (1)

Swaziboy (1457667) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140238)

and there I thought this was going to be about releasing proxy servers into the wild ...

It would be a shame (1)

Centurix (249778) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140480)

If they found that you could grow anything in deep water and it gets really big. Then they figure out that the squid is really a miniature squid and is overwhelmingly disappointing...

stick tentacle (0, Troll)

SittingUnderBridge (1738626) | more than 4 years ago | (#31140554)

up moderators anus. like that don't yah bitch?

sp&Onge (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31141126)

c3onsistent with the Baby...don't fear

Not a great achievement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31141726)

This is not such a great achievement, like the article tries to make it. Aliens already did that with humans decades ago.

oh! (1)

molecular (311632) | more than 4 years ago | (#31142014)

did anyone else think this was about building some ssl-tunnel through squid proxies?

Train them to drive a spaceship... (1)

jean-vivien (1745674) | more than 4 years ago | (#31142068)

.... first learn their bio luminescence language

Grea Idea! (1)

hoelk (1537469) | more than 4 years ago | (#31142332)

Maybe once we're able to breed them we can also teach them to walk on land?

Youtube viedo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31142482)

Here is a video about O'Shea trying to catch squids. Apparently he can catch one juvenile squid a year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeG8rHuCIDQ [youtube.com]
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