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Quit similar? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31143336)

First Post! But "quit" similar?

Any spell checkers around here?

Re:Quit similar? (2, Informative)

dsavi (1540343) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143344)

That is why you tag the story with "typoinsummary".

Re:Quit similar? (1)

Megaweapon (25185) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143448)

Slashdot would probably save on bandwidth if people would tag "notypoinsummary" on the rare occasion that a summary is typo free.

Re:Quit similar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31143456)

I was going to go with "gibberish" myself...

Re:Quit similar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31145998)

My spell check says "quit" is spelled correctly. It may be the wrong word, but it's spelled properly.

Eh? (4, Informative)

goose-incarnated (1145029) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143340)

All Linux distros can potentially run on ARM ...

Re:Eh? (1)

dsavi (1540343) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143382)

...Whether they choose to focus on that area or not is a different story.

Re:Eh? (1)

goose-incarnated (1145029) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143430)

...Whether they choose to focus on that area or not is a different story.

From the summary:

Interestingly this means that Intel will be sponsoring a mobile Linux distro which will run on ARM."

Is there a mobile distro that *doesn't* support ARM?

Re:Eh? (4, Funny)

goldaryn (834427) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143424)

All Linux distros can potentially run on ARM ...

All Windows distros can potentially run

Re:Re:Eh? (1)

aBaldrich (1692238) | more than 4 years ago | (#31144292)

Linux has already been ported to ARM, Windows has not. And, for what we know about the leaked source code, Microsoft's standards are not optimal: the code is badly commented, etc. It's not like you click a different box in Visual Studio and voilà, ARM code. Who knows how many architecture-specific hacks they have used: all that code needs to be rewritten.
And then you'd had to port Windows' killer apps (IE and Office). GLWT

Re:Re:Eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31145624)

No no no. Not "All Windows distros can potentially run [on arm]."

All he said was "All Windows distros can potentially run". ie: On any given boot they _may_ run. Maybe not.

By way of airplane analogy: Whoosh.

Re:Eh? (1)

zlogic (892404) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143500)

Yeah, but Intel sold its ARM division to Marvell because they thought Atom was a perfect CPU for phones, TVs and other appliances.

Re:Eh? (1)

diegocg (1680514) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143710)

MeeGo will be ARM/x86, so it's not like Intel is not going to benefit from this.

Re:Eh? (1)

newdsfornerds (899401) | more than 4 years ago | (#31144100)

What is ARM/x86? Do you mean that MeeGo will be designed to run on both ARM and x86?

Re:Eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31144612)

Maybe it was a joke based on the Loongson [wikipedia.org] , which is a MIPS processor that can hardware-accelerate emulation of x86 instructions. Thus, MIPS/x86.

Nah, GP just meant "ARM and x86."

Funny names (5, Funny)

goldaryn (834427) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143350)

MeeGo is supposed to be the result of merging Maemo and Moblin

Who named these platforms, a Lord of the Rings fan with a speech impediment?

Re:Funny names (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31143398)

And now it's a MeeGo [youtube.com] --it's fun for a girl and a boy!

Re:Funny names (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31143440)

MeeGo Potty!!!

Re:Funny names (4, Insightful)

Rexdude (747457) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143450)

More like a Mi-Go [wikimedia.org]

Doh! You beat me to it. (1)

Giant Electronic Bra (1229876) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143496)

Always seemed to me like these were redundant projects though. 12 flavors of mobile Linux kinda defeats the whole point?

Re:Doh! You beat me to it. (1)

Rexdude (747457) | more than 4 years ago | (#31144270)

But unlike say, OpenMoko, you have hardware vendors backing this, not to mention a proper device already on the market (Nokia N900) I think Intel already contributes to Linux, so this isn't new for them.

OpenMoko (1)

Giant Electronic Bra (1229876) | more than 4 years ago | (#31144640)

Really I don't quite get why OpenMoko exists as an independent project either except that nobody seemed able to agree to all get together. Fragmentation in server and desktop space isn't a big deal and the choices made available to users are valuable, but in the mobile marketplace those considerations really don't apply so much. All that is really left as a justification for various mobile Linux projects has always been no more than technical disagreements about how to implement certain things and a desire for various vendors like Intel to focus on elements specific to their hardware architecture.

I think its been inevitable that at some point all these various mobile Linux projects would collapse together into one uber project. Some may instead simply fade away of course, but I suspect eventually even Android will be sucked in. OpenMoko too is unlikely to continue to exist as a completely distinct project for too much longer.

Re:OpenMoko (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31146320)

Yeah, and then, like Ubuntu on the desktop, it will explode and fragment into niche-special distros, which will evolve, then be recollected into another uber-project.

It's kinda like that hack in 3.5 where you turned yourself into a black pudding, split yourself a billion times, went out adventuring in each form, and then use xp-reallocation techniques to merge yourself back together and gain a billion levels.

Re:Funny names (4, Funny)

EvilNTUser (573674) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143490)

A stupid name is a prerequisite for being a successful FOSS product. Nokia and Intel have clearly done their homework.

Also indicating huge potential, MeeGo has already ignited a flamewar between RPM and DEB supporters. Welcome to the community!

Re:Funny names (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31143930)

Maemo is a mythical figure/creature in Finnish folklore. The name has been made readable for most of western world by ditching the double a.

Re:Funny names (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31144800)

MeeGo is supposed to be the result of merging Maemo and Moblin

Who named these platforms, a Lord of the Rings fan with a speech impediment?

No. It was named by a Shenzhen CEO when he just wanted to end the meeting because he really needed to pee.

Re:Funny names (1)

Jazzbunny (1251002) | more than 4 years ago | (#31145636)

MeeGo is supposed to be the result of merging Maemo and Moblin

Who named these platforms, a Lord of the Rings fan with a speech impediment?

Be happy they didn't name it M&M.

Re:Funny names (1)

Pictish Prince (988570) | more than 4 years ago | (#31145692)

MeeGo is supposed to be the result of merging Maemo and Moblin

Who named these platforms, a Lord of the Rings fan with a speech impediment?

Be happy they didn't name it M&M.

Probably a Lovecraft fan

Interesting... (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143354)

Intel must be extraordinarily bullish on their ability to bring x86 into ARM's low power turf.

Re:Interesting... (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143956)

Or they see no benefit (or perhaps negative effects) to (excessive) software fragmentation.

They have generally shown themselves to be rather pragmatic (as a business should).

Re:Interesting... (2, Insightful)

segedunum (883035) | more than 4 years ago | (#31145590)

I think it's more of a case of cutting down on maintenance and reducing fragmentation. You could potentially run Moblin or any piece of software that runs on Linux on Arm by recompiling anyway, so it makes very little difference.

Next version of the n900? (2, Interesting)

dsavi (1540343) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143360)

This will make the next version of the Nokia internet tablet series very interesting indeed, I think. Will this be a new Android, running on both netbooks and higher-end smartphones? Anyway, I like the idea.

Re:Next version of the n900? (2, Insightful)

r_jensen11 (598210) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143408)

Meego's website lists netbooks, pocketables, in-vehicle, connected TV and Media Phone, so it looks like they're looking at a much broader population than Android is

Re:Next version of the n900? (2, Informative)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143480)

How so? Android is already running in most of those devices (check this wikipedia page [wikipedia.org] on that topic, tablets, netbooks, ebook readers and more is listed there, and there is plenty of different devices announced for a maybe close future).

Re:Next version of the n900? (1)

thms (1339227) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143466)

I hope that really soon now(tm) the mobile phone operating systems (the linux based ones at least), will become interchangeable.

Some of the newer Android hardware is quite neat, yet an OS so tightly coupled with Google-Everything is not quite to my taste. I would love to put Maemo/MeeGo on these devices. Sorry, Nokia :/

Meekrob? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31143386)

Dude, I'd rather eat a bucket of rotten shit than another plate of meekrob.

Name? (2, Interesting)

Dartz-IRL (1640117) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143416)

Meego?

The mobile OS from Yuggoth

Package management (1, Interesting)

quantumphaze (1245466) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143460)

The real important question: What package management system will it use?

Re:Package management (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31143584)

well Maemo uses debs, not sure about the other one

Re:Package management (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31143590)

Q Will MeeGo use .rpm or .deb as its packaging system?
A: MeeGo will use the .rpm format

http://meego.com/about/faq

Also Quim Gil of Maemo stated that it will officially support both GTK+ and Qt (original plan for Maemo 6 was to officially support only Qt and deliver GTK+ via community supported packages)
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=527251&postcount=87

Re:Package management (2, Funny)

goldaryn (834427) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143608)

Also Quim Gil of Maemo stated that

Quim Gil of Maemo? Even Tolkien would have rejected that name as too preposterous

Re:Package management (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31144182)

Many of Tolkien's names can be found extant around the world.

Re:Package management (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31143686)

That's a mistake. GTK is crap aesthetically, codewise AND from a documentation point of view. They should have concentrated on Qt for the professionals, and left GTK to rot with the "community".

Re:Package management (4, Interesting)

EvilIdler (21087) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143682)

RPM, says Intel. Can't find a link, but there is much gnashing of teeth over that at work here. I would prefer to keep the repository apt, at the very least. But apt+dpkg would be lovely.

Re:Package management (3, Insightful)

diegocg (1680514) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143904)

It's really a problem? I mean, package wars are so 1999. I recently switched to a RPM based distro after 9 years using and loving APT. And while there're differences (some advantages, some disadvantages), these days they're pretty much the same thing. I'm using KDE 4.4 from Fedora rawhide in my Fedora 13 base system, just as I would have done in Ubuntu. There're things far more important in this merge than using RPM instead of DEB. Like, for example, focusing on QT instead of Clutter.

Re:Package management (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31144192)

Q: Will MeeGo use .rpm or .deb as its packaging system?
A: MeeGo will use the .rpm format

http://meego.com/about/faq

Re:Package management (1)

hyartep (1694754) | more than 4 years ago | (#31144982)

maemo is based on debian so apt+dpkg for meego is possible. (otoh: moblin is based on fedora - it means rpm).

Re:Package management (1)

hyartep (1694754) | more than 4 years ago | (#31145160)

according to official faq [http://meego.com/about/faq] package management will be rpm.

No (4, Funny)

Carewolf (581105) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143844)

The real important question: What package management system will it use?

No that's not it.

Re:No (2, Interesting)

thorsen (9515) | more than 4 years ago | (#31144802)

Please mod that guy up or the parent down. Package management is a completely irrelevant problem.

These are actually important questions:

How long will it take them to cut GTK support?

What does this mean for Nokias Qt support? Many people in the Qt community have been worried that they would cut back on the desktop support in favour of the mobile parts.

Intel controlling a Linux distro? How does this fit into the larger picture? How does this affect the possibility of it getting into the phones from, say, Motorola?

Package management is irrelevant because it is not a general purpose system. So packages of software built for this won't be installed on Debian anyway - why worry about it?

Bo Thorsen.

Re:No (1)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 4 years ago | (#31145494)

It isn't important to average users, maybe, but it is to the nerds on /.
This is the only mobile Linux distro that takes openness and interop with desktop Linux seriously, so I'll still support it, but I really liked the fact that Maemo was Debian-based

Frist st0p (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31143578)

Startling turn clearly. There sales and so on, won't vote in bloodfarts. FrreBSD mod points and *BSD IS DYING IT IS

Intel + ARM = EEE (0)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143722)

Interestingly this means that Intel will be sponsoring a mobile Linux distro which will run on ARM.

Embrace: Check.
Extend: Active.
Extinguish: Pending.

Re:Intel + ARM = EEE (1)

NeoStrider_BZK (1485751) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143980)

They cant do that. Maemo is big enough to survive. There are already chinese manufacturers shipping Maemo devices and there is, of course, a full open source stack, Mer.

Re:Intel + ARM = EEE (1)

aBaldrich (1692238) | more than 4 years ago | (#31144214)

But they are using Linux... They can't become a monopoly, unless they find a very clever way to close Meego's source. Anyone could fork the proyect.

Re:Intel + ARM = EEE (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#31145416)

You forgot the “extend” step.

Just add something to it, that does not directly link into GPL code (and therefore can be closed-source), but that everybody will use and expect from then on. Then everyone who does not offer that function, will be left out in the cold, and called “incompatible” (Which of course is the wrong way around and totally unfair.)

Intel's not going anywhere. (1)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | more than 4 years ago | (#31143736)

It's become pretty clear that Intel's place in the market is assured. They can't stop people from using ARM in low-power devices, x86 just has too much overhead.

What they can do is make sure that people don't have to worry about their architecture when they're using software. And that benefits everyone, because it keeps the chips we're using at top capacity.

Re:Intel's not going anywhere. (1)

AVee (557523) | more than 4 years ago | (#31146058)

And in the long term, it might just create a market for something which is neither ARM nor x86. And that something may well be build by Intel as well. The only reason we stick to x86 is binary compatibility, with more open-source that becomes less important.

Gtk RIP? (4, Insightful)

perrin (891) | more than 4 years ago | (#31144000)

Both Maemo and Moblin started off Gtk-based, using the Clutter toolkit on top of Gtk. Now both have switched over to Qt. Are there any other serious users of Clutter left?

I hear lots of projects starting with or switching to Qt these days, and none that switch to or start with Gtk. Having programmed in both Gtk and Qt, I have to say I understand why. Qt is hands down the better and more elegant toolkit, despite my preference for C over C++. Qt also makes it easier than Gtk to port between Linux, Mac and Windows. Gtk on the other hand is stuck with a horrible dependency hell that prevents using it for anything serious on non-Linux platforms.

I think the way forward for Linux on the desktop is to standardize on one GUI toolkit, and there is no doubt that this toolkit would have to be Qt. It is a bit sad, because I always like Gnome better than KDE, and I see no easy way for Gnome to convert over to Qt.

Re:Gtk RIP? (1)

ThoughtMonster (1602047) | more than 4 years ago | (#31144480)

One of the main issues with GTK has been the lack of any serious corporate sponsorship. Really, money goes a long way, not only in helping people contribute more time to the project, but also in setting goals.

That said, Clutter is still an Intel project, and probably will remain so for the time being. Intel has stated that MeeGo will remain forward-compatible to Moblin, but for how long, that remains in question.

As far as I know, Clutter will eventually be integrated into GTK+ 3.x, just like Cairo and Pango, so maintainership will probably be passed from Intel to the GTK maintainers, if Intel decides to drop support.

Re:Gtk RIP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31144624)

Don't worry about it. GNOME will have better support for now on, gtk will be developed mostly for desktop consume, and not needed useless things for embedded devices. Maemo's contribution to gtk was nothing for desktop (ie. GNOME). And Intel will keep developing in GTK since they won't have main developers of QT. Such a company won't rely on Nokia for it's main platform for devices. On the other hand I don't know who will back KDE after all, since neither Nokia, nor Intel is interested in PC market.

Re:Gtk RIP? (2, Interesting)

SpinyNorman (33776) | more than 4 years ago | (#31144778)

It seems that functionally Clutter has been superceded by advances in Qt.. Qt supports OpenGL/ES/VG backends and has a new "declarative UI" for designing animated and custom UIs. In fact since the Nokia aquisition Qt seems to have all but forgotten about the desktop and most new features are squarely aimed at implementing fluid custom iPhone-like interfaces on smartphone/netbook targets.

Re:Gtk RIP? (1, Flamebait)

Seth Kriticos (1227934) | more than 4 years ago | (#31144992)

I agree, it's weird.

I was playing out with Qt and Qt Creator recently and the framework is very accessible and cross-platform, while GTK+ is somewhat more of a hassle to port. It's also nicer to develop with (much easier to get started and the Qt library has some very nice features, esp. since the 4.6 release).

That said, I perceive KDE as a very ugly desktop environment. I stopped using it a long time ago. Still checking it out once or twice a year, but I don't like it compared to GNOME. I want a desktop that works on installation, not one where I have to tweak around for two weeks to get it do something. Also the options that pop up everywhere, the atrocious control panel and several other things are just horrible.

Also when tweaked right (with some compiz magic) I can improve my application interaction productivity very much (application switching mapping to mouse, multiple desktop control with mouse, etc.) that are just not there in an evident way in KDE.

Never mind the fact that it still looks ugly and very clumsy.

I seriously don't know where this is going. Maybe the GTK+ team will do something unexpected and GTK+ 3 will completely smash Qt (though I'd be surprised), or maybe KDE will get some good looks and usability (which would also surprise me), or GNOME will be ported to Qt (haha), or maybe something else will let them both in the shadow while they don't get anywhere (though I have no clue what).

I don't complain though. Qt integration in GNOME is not bad, so I can happily write Qt apps and don't care about the desktop (though I'm more into web and platform development, not much of a UI person).

What ever comes around, it should be interesting.

Re:Gtk RIP? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31145090)

I don't complain though.

That's odd, since people usually don't use words like "ugly", "horrible", "clumsy" unless they ARE complaining.

Re:Gtk RIP? (2, Insightful)

segedunum (883035) | more than 4 years ago | (#31145506)

I was playing out with Qt and Qt Creator recently and the framework is very accessible and cross-platform, while GTK+ is somewhat more of a hassle to port.

Unfortunately, GTK is a huge panopoly of multiple dependencies that simply haven't got easier to package up over the years, and in many ways have got worse. It's cross-platform support is also pretty terrible as a result, especially when it comes to Windows and Mac but for embedded devices I would imagine the pain and maintenance would be worse. Sad, but true unfortunately.

I want a desktop that works on installation, not one where I have to tweak around for two weeks to get it do something. Also the options that pop up everywhere, the atrocious control panel and several other things are just horrible.

I just wonder why people post third, fourth or fifth hand 'information' from people who know very little as fact. That's like saying you can't do anything with Windows for two weeks because you have to install Office, a DVD player and a dozen other things............and you don't have to do those things with your average Linux distribution these days, apart from the DVD stuff, but there are ways and means. No one has any trouble sitting down to a KDE desktop and starting work. Perhaps you can enlighten us all?

Also when tweaked right (with some compiz magic) I can improve my application interaction productivity very much (application switching mapping to mouse, multiple desktop control with mouse, etc.) that are just not there in an evident way in KDE.

Well, Kwin provides a lot of options for stuff like that, but..........what I find amusing is that you're having a go at KDE because you think it takes you two weeks to configure things and you're then switching the whole thing around in the very next paragraph because KDE doesn't provide the configuration you want? Uh huh.

Never mind the fact that it still looks ugly and very clumsy.

Uh, huh. Alas, repeating something does not make it true I'm afraid. If you put KDE nest to Gnome, and next to the serious proprietary competitors like Vista, 7 and OS X, then you can only see one open source desktop competitor on the ugliness front. You might find things ugly as do others, but the aesthetics of desktop environments are moving on regardless.

Re:Gtk RIP? (1)

hyartep (1694754) | more than 4 years ago | (#31145018)

maemo switching to qt was on the roadmap, so nothing too surprising.

i expect they will use qt with clutter (or something based on clutter).

Do not say dependency hell... (2, Interesting)

ElusiveJoe (1716808) | more than 4 years ago | (#31145174)

...when it's simple negligence. While package maintainers take care of Gtk for linux, Gtk for windows is in ruins.

There's no installer on official gtk page. C'mon guys, it's 2010, and you still package it in zip archives?

Ok, there is an installer on SF, but wait, there's no Glade support in there!

Oh, here is Glade, but oh, it's shipping with its own Gtk bundle, which is outdated and incompatible with the first one.

Ok, let's install the major Gtk app, GIMP... Wait, I already have two gtk bundles installed, I don't need another one! What do you mean, "no choice"?

Hmmm, let's try this Deluge app... At last, I can skip Gtk installation and use one of the previously installed. Hey, why did it crash?

F**k it, even .NET is better.

Re:Gtk RIP? (1)

ubersoldat2k7 (1557119) | more than 4 years ago | (#31145298)

I hear lots of projects starting with or switching to Qt these days, and none that switch to or start with Gtk.

I started my project on November on GTK. It's on Freshmeat, so I don't know how you missed it. I really like PyGTK and Glade, and are very easy to use and extend. Qt is very nice, too nice for me. I mean, I don't really feel its' L&F. Not that it doesn't work, it's just that I don't quite like it but I find that other people do, so it's good to have them both.

There can only be one! (1)

micron (164661) | more than 4 years ago | (#31144344)

How about the handset manufacturers get behind one distro, and make it awesome? All multuple distros, with multiple app stores, and all sorts of crazy interfaces will do is fragment the market. In the end, none of them will succeed!

Re:There can only be one! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31144440)

Yeah! Because no competition WORKS!

Re:There can only be one! (3, Interesting)

alexandre (53) | more than 4 years ago | (#31145424)

Well, iPhone is doomed to stay as proprietary garbage, as is WinMo 7.
Now what's left: Android, Meego, Palm, ...

Those 3 could probably work together... Maybe Android is too full of itself and Samsung should join Meego and drop Bada too.

The question for all these is who control the app store, and i think meego allows all of them to control their own while still staying compatible.
This also means open access to an open market of different store for consumers if the platform is to stay open and thus attract people.

Are we seeing the computer software industry transform into a "Label" that distributes apps?
I can't understand this model in a world where everyone can setup their own distribution channel for 20$.
It's only a winning move if you can sell hardware and the only way to compete against the über monopolistic Apple model is this.

So the cycle of proprietary / FOSS reaction goes on ...

Moorestown (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31144348)

Nokia will probably use Moorestown

Nokia and maybe GNOME wins... (1, Interesting)

camcorder (759720) | more than 4 years ago | (#31144508)

Nokia bought Trolltech in order to get control of QT. And Intel bought OpenedHand in order to improve Clutter and Moblin. Now they merge their platforms, which is based on the Nokia's QT. Money wasted for OpenedHand buy out? It looks like Intel had plenty of money to dump for unstrategic move.

Now it's obvious that QT will evolve for Mobile devices. And GTK will evolve to be a solid Desktop toolkit for Linux. When maemo project started GTK had lost lots of blood because Nokia contribution had no visible benefit to desktop users. That affected GNOME very much. Now I think KDE will suffer this mobile-movement of QT. I hope they won't, but history is evident for it to happen.

Re:Nokia and maybe GNOME wins... (1)

segedunum (883035) | more than 4 years ago | (#31145852)

Now it's obvious that QT will evolve for Mobile devices. And GTK will evolve to be a solid Desktop toolkit for Linux.

Well, Qt (it's Qt by the way) has been available for mobile devices for years and it already is a solid desktop toolkit for Linux. The added development, interest and perhaps new applications and functionality from the mobile direction will be most welcome. I know a lot of people like to crow about the 'Linux desktop', but there has been nothing whatsoever happening on that front for Gnome or KDE for years, despite the hype, so perhaps it can be nudged forwards from another direction?

When maemo project started GTK had lost lots of blood because Nokia contribution had no visible benefit to desktop users.

I don't know why some people have that perception. Nokia contributed sparingly to GTK, and only in areas that they thought would benefit Maemo. They didn't exactly suck the life out of GTK because GTK has suffered from well known manpower shortages for years. Gnome 3 will almost certainly happen with GTK 3 being barely a glimmer on the horizon, or GTK 3 will be released with minimal changes on the 2.x line. Certainly, Nokia thought that GTK needed an overhaul for Maemo that they weren't willing to fund themselves, hence their change of tac for Maemo.

That affected GNOME very much. Now I think KDE will suffer this mobile-movement of QT.

Really? I don't see how. Qt has been available on mobile platforms for years and it certainly doesn't seem to have affected KDE in anything other than a positive way (they've got a major new version of their desktop out with it) or the manpower and resources Nokia have been able to put into Qt. Gnome Mobile and Maemo has had very, very little affect (certainly not negative) on the rest of Gnome - apart from the fact that Gnome Mobile has been an utter failure both technologically (where is it?) and PR-wise and rather an embarrassment.

Intel and ARM (1)

barbazoo (604828) | more than 4 years ago | (#31144604)

Actually, Intel and ARM are not exactly competitors in the mobile world. Heck, Intel even manufactures ARM based chips [wikipedia.org] , so I can't really see why it's such a big deal that they back a ARM based linux distro for deviced where the ARM architecture is de facto standard.

Re:Intel and ARM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31144906)

From the Wikipedia link you posted it seems pretty evident that Intel don't manufacture ARM based chips anymore and haven't done since 2006.

Re:Intel and ARM (2, Informative)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 4 years ago | (#31145634)

Intel sold XScale a long time ago. June 2006, in fact, as you would know if you had looked at the link you posted.

It might be something new and good:) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31144934)

According to the two companies, MeeGo will support multiple hardware architectures across a broad range of device segments, including pocketable mobile computers, netbooks, tablets, mediaphones, connected TVs and in-vehicle infotainment systems.

http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/mwc--nokia-and-intel-team-up-for-new-linux-mobile-os-3367

Good move (3, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 4 years ago | (#31145446)

I was recently worried they'd both wither on the vine trying to compete against Android and filling almost exactly the same space. Thus I was thinking I'd have to base a project on ChromeOS, which seemed strategically foolish (at least Nokia and Intel will have divergent interests to keep development focused on solving problems well in the abstract, rather than quick-n-dirty tangents a single vendor can accept).

Especially if they stay with the mainline kernel, which Google isn't interested in doing, together Intel and Nokia are going to be much more successful than competing poorly against each other and Google.

So, here's one developer's intent to go this way rather than Android (for a non-phone project). Congrats to the adults in both camps.

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