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Apple Bans Jailbreakers From the App Store

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the unfruitful-apple-actions dept.

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Hugh Pickens writes "Adam Mills writes in the Examiner that Apple has been cutting off access to the iTunes App Store for iPhone hackers and jailbreakers. Sherif Hashim, the iPhone developer who successfully hacked the iPhone OS 3.1.3 and unlocked the 05.12.01 baseband for iPhone 3GS and 3G devices, discovered he'd been cut off and twittered: '"Your Apple ID was banned for security reasons," that's what i get when i try to go to the app store, they must be really angry.' Another hacker, iH8Sn0w, who is behind the Sn0wbreeze tool, confirms that his account has also been deactivated even though iH8sn0w's exploit had only been revealed to Dev Team, the group responsible for the PwnageTool. 'It is kind of surprising that two people associated with jailbreaking have had this happen to them so soon after one another, but it's too early to say if this is a campaign that Apple is starting up,' writes Mills."

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That's what you get (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31157010)

Owned.

Not surprised... (1, Redundant)

King InuYasha (1159129) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157024)

Apple works really hard to keep everything in their little bubble... I am not surprised they are going this route, if indeed it turns out to be that way....

Re:Not surprised... (5, Insightful)

InsaneProcessor (869563) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157708)

This is why I do not buy anything from Apple. I will not be forced into a little bubble like all of you cattle out there. I have missed nothing as the result. By the way, my phone dose multitasking and I am not banned from anything (except Apple).

I don't believe it (3, Insightful)

amorsen (7485) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157054)

We'll need a bit more evidence than 2 cases.

Anyway, that would be an effective way to encourage people to try out alternate ways to acquire the same software...

Re:I don't believe it (4, Insightful)

netruner (588721) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157132)

Or it would be an effective way to encourage people to go Android.....

It's the 80's all over again......

Re:I don't believe it (3, Insightful)

Weezul (52464) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157270)

Apple doesn't mind chasing away all the hard core developers who'll tweak the underlying system. The iPhone, iTouch, iPad are only really useful for video games, music/movies, and basic communications and information services, ala maps, sms, etc. Apple just doesn't need developers. Anyone interested in developing more serious applications should really look into Maemo/MeeGo or Android.

Re:I don't believe it (5, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157362)

Christ almighty, it is 1986 all over again. "Yeah, Apple doesn't need all those people who just want to plug in any all video card. We aspire to a higher class of user." which, roughly translated meant "Okay, IBM and clone manufacturers, we seed 90%+ of market share to you to assure our purity."

Re:I don't believe it (3, Funny)

Pete Slash Work (1238642) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157444)

"Okay, IBM and clone manufacturers, we seed 90%+ of market share to you to assure our purity."

So its Apple who are behind all those OSX torrents!!

/cede

Re:I don't believe it (2, Insightful)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157544)

MS hasn't exactly changed in the last 10-15 years, why would anyone think Apple has either?

hint to folks(not aimed at you mighty): for a corporation to change at it's core is exceedingly difficult and feared by both a corporation's own management and their stakeholders in various forms. It almost never happens.

Re:I don't believe it (3, Insightful)

SadButTrue (848439) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157566)

not a single cede/seed joke in a story about apple.. what has happened to my slashdot

I can't help mysef. (5, Informative)

sammy baby (14909) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157714)

...we seed 90%+ of market share to you to assure our purity."

cede [google.com] , not seed.

Re:I don't believe it (1)

qoncept (599709) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157748)

And that clearly didn't work out for them.

Re:I don't believe it (1)

Buelldozer (713671) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157152)

Your comment that you don't believe it made me chuckle. WHY don't you believe it? This seems to me to be precisely the kind of thing that Apple would try and get away with.

Re:I don't believe it (3, Insightful)

s73v3r (963317) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157376)

Perhaps. I wouldn't be surprised. Its just gonna take more than 2 cases to be convincing.

Re:I don't believe it (4, Insightful)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157408)

I don't see any problem with it. I'm no Apple supporteer, but how is this different than MS banning hacked consoles from XBL or Blizzard banning cheaters from their servers.

If you want to use a service, you have to play by that service's rules. Don't like the rules, don't use the service.

Re:I don't believe it (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31157700)

XBL and Blizzard are services. If I hack I can cheat and degrade the experiences of others. The iPhone is a device. It's mine. No one else should care what I do with it.

Re:I don't believe it (2, Insightful)

Xiterion (809456) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157746)

Except you're not buying the device. You're buying the ability to interact with their software ecosystem.

Re:I don't believe it (2, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157712)

how is this different than MS banning hacked consoles from XBL

See, that whole thing really pissed me off. Instead of banning hacked consoles from Live entirely, why not just ban them from having a Gold account and allow them to keep a silver account? That way, people with hacked consoles can still pay Microsoft for downloadable games and DLC, yet can't "cheat" during multiplayer.

To what purpose does it serve to ban people from Live ENTIRELY instead of putting them on permanent silver account status? I can completely understand banning hacked consoles from multiplayer, but why ban them from the store as well?

Re:I don't believe it (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157512)

You are mistaking his statement that he doesn't believe it for a statement that he believes it to be not true. All he is saying is that 2 cases are insufficient to draw a conclusion from. There are too many reasons why any one person might possibly be banned from Itunes to assume that the one thing (we know of) that two people who have been banned have in common is the reason they have been banned.
On the other hand it is entirely consistent with previous Apple behavior, so it may be true.

Re:I don't believe it (1)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157554)

And they would have gotten away with it, if it weren't for those meddling DEVELOPERS!

Re:I don't believe it (1)

idobi (820896) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157734)

I think the far more likely explanation is that these high-profile individual with public email (which also serves as their appleID) had people attempt to hack into their accounts. Enough failed passwords, and all accounts get locked out.

Hugs My Gorgeous Android Nexus One (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31157208)

"We'll need a bit more evidence than 2 cases."

That Apple is taking actions that try to tighten their control and limit consumer choice?

Yeah, that would be something extraordinary and unprecedented...

Re:Hugs My Gorgeous Android Nexus One (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31157300)

Yea it's this sort of thing that keeps out those pesky bits of malware your "Gorgeous Android Nexus One" got.

Half-dozen of one, etc, etc.

No proof (5, Interesting)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157326)

Indeed, and see this Apple KB article [apple.com] :

For your protection, your Apple ID is automatically disabled (partially) if your account password is incorrectly entered numerous times. This affects some services you may access with your Apple ID, such as your accounts with: Apple Photo Services, iTunes Store, and MobileMe.

When you try to use some online services and your Apple ID has been disabled, the following message appears:

"This Apple ID has been disabled for security reasons."

So who's to say it's not someone just messing with these guys? All it takes is a few bad login attempts to temporarily disable ANY Apple ID.

And even if Apple was disabling just these Apple IDs, it's clearly not of all people with jailbroken devices, else we would know about it; instead it's specific, individual people (who are probably in violation of Apple's terms of service for Apple IDs).

Re:No proof (1)

Graff (532189) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157694)

So who's to say it's not someone just messing with these guys? All it takes is a few bad login attempts to temporarily disable ANY Apple ID.

That's an excellent point. I guess we'll all have to wait for Apple to make a statement if they are instituting a policy against jailbreakers. Until then maybe knee-jerk reactions are a bit over the top? What an amazing concept...

I'm all for holding a company's feet to the fire when they step over the line but 2 isolated examples with no independent corroboration or statements by the company tends to make me skeptical of the whole story. Even then, Apple has every right to cut off access to these hackers. It's right in the iTunes Terms of Service [apple.com] which you have to agree to before you use the service:

You agree not to attempt to, or assist another person to, circumvent, reverse-engineer, decompile, disassemble, or otherwise tamper with any of the security components related to such Usage Rules for any reason whatsoever.

Termination by Apple. If you fail, or Apple suspects that you have failed, to comply with any of the provisions of this Agreement, including but not limited to failure to make payment of fees due, failure to provide Apple with a valid credit card or with accurate and complete Registration Data, failure to safeguard your Account information, violation of the Usage Rules or any license to the software, or infringement or other violation of third parties' rights, Apple, at its sole discretion, without notice to you may: (i) terminate this Agreement and/or your Account, and you will remain liable for all amounts due under your Account up to and including the date of termination; and/or (ii) terminate the license to the software; and/or (iii) preclude access to the Service (or any part thereof).

Re:I don't believe it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31157636)

Even if they're both lying, just using an iPhone for a day shows you the extreme level of control and restriction that Apple practices and endorses.

Even the Chinese government would probably feel uncomfortable with the dictatorial powers that Apple reserves for itself, especially after you, as the consumer, have paid hundreds upon hundreds of dollars for one of the devices they produce.

Figured it'd happen (3, Interesting)

Coopjust (872796) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157058)

That's why I've told anyone who jailbroke to use a separate account for apps on jailbroken devices.

Kind of silly, IMO. You're going to ban people from possibly paying for apps? Not every app is jailbroken, some are cracked incorrectly (some of the antipiracy mechanisms in apps I've seen are nothing short of hilarious trolling), and some are out of date. Additionally, if an app is really good, a user may buy the app to support the dev.

So you ban people and what happens? People jailbreak all the free apps too.

Seems like a bad move on Apple's part.

Re:Figured it'd happen (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157242)

Seems like a bad move on Apple's part.

What are you talking about? They're half way there!

All they need to do now is Ban the non-jailbroken phones from the Appstore as well, and soon the world will be a better place.

(kidding)

(... Well mostly kidding)

Re:Figured it'd happen (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157354)

They didn't ban everyone with a jailbroken phone and most likely wont do so, but only the two guys who originally released the hacks to jailbreak iPhone.

Re:Figured it'd happen (5, Informative)

Graff (532189) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157452)

Get a grip people. There haven't been any reports that Apple is banning people who jailbreak their own personal phones, they have banned TWO people who are involved in discovering and propagating exploits for the iPhone. Yes, these hacks are being used to jailbreak but it's a much different thing to ban someone who is actively seeking new ways to break into the iPhone OS than it is to ban someone unlocking their own phone.

If Apple starts banning en-masse people who have jailbroken their iPhones then we can break out the torches and pitchforks. Until then it's a company saying "no more soup for you" to a couple of hackers who are looking to exploit the company's secure system. And yes, I'll be right there with the rest of you if Apple does start pushing around joe average over this issue.

Re:Figured it'd happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31157716)

It can happen. I'm sure a lot of XBox 360 users were thinking the same thing before Microsoft did their mass bannings from XBL. If Apple did a push for Warden-like functionality to detect jailbroken phones, then did a mass ban, nobody would be complaining -- nobody Apple cares about. Plus, Apple gets more cash in the app store when people create new accounts and re-buy their apps.

So, mass-bannings are a win/win for Apple, as it keeps their closed ecosystem healthy, and people booted out re-buy their stuff.

Customers of course, are boned.

Re:Figured it'd happen (1)

Mwahaha (824185) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157462)

These aren't your everyday jailbreakers, they're the people that found the exploits that allow jailbreaking. There's no indication that they're banning everyday jailbreakers, or AFAIK that they know which devices have been jailbroken. It seems all they did is search though apple ids for some dev team handles.

Re:Figured it'd happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31157742)

That's why I've told anyone who jailbroke to use a separate account for apps on jailbroken devices.

Kind of silly, IMO. You're going to ban people from possibly paying for apps? Not every app is jailbroken, some are cracked incorrectly (some of the antipiracy mechanisms in apps I've seen are nothing short of hilarious trolling), and some are out of date. Additionally, if an app is really good, a user may buy the app to support the dev.

So you ban people and what happens? People jailbreak all the free apps too.

Seems like a bad move on Apple's part.

I don't think you understand what jailbreaking is. It doesn't refer to pirating applications. It refers to "breaking" the iPhone out of the "jail" of Apple approved applications. i.e. being able to load apps that don't come from Apple's store onto your phone.

So they should (1, Troll)

DavidR1991 (1047748) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157066)

Jail-breaking facilitates piracy

I could possibly understand if app store apps were at crazy prices or forced you to bend over backwards in order to use them. But the majority of them cost, what, £5? Maybe £7 or £9?

Re:So they should (3, Insightful)

amorsen (7485) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157110)

The vast majority of jail-breakers don't pirate apps. Well that or I hang out with the wrong people -- jailbreaking is extremely common, but I haven't seen an iPhone with a pirated app yet.

Re:So they should (2, Interesting)

s73v3r (963317) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157434)

Jailbreaking isn't actually that common. And I would believe the amount of people who jailbreak with the intent of pirating games to be less so. I have a jailbroken iPod Touch, but I'm not entirely sure why I have it jailbroken anymore. It used to be because I didn't pay for a dev certificate, but since then, I guess I've just been too lazy to revert it. Or too lazy to keep up with the Cydia community to see what's cool.

Re:So they should (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31157608)

vlc4iphone is why I have mine jailbroken. watching live tv anywhere is what did it for me.

Re:So they should (1, Insightful)

Korbeau (913903) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157536)

The vast majority of jail-breakers don't pirate apps. Well that or I hang out with the wrong people -- jailbreaking is extremely common, but I haven't seen an iPhone with a pirated app yet.

You probably don't hang out with any high school or college kid ...

Anyway, I like how someone that starts a debate is now modded as "Troll" and an army of knights in shiny armors having the same kind of single-sided argument get modded Informative and Insightful.

Re:So they should (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31157596)

As a jailbreaker myself I wholeheartedly agree. I jailbroke my iPhone for the functionality I wanted which was only available outside of Apple's little bubble. I've only "pirated" one app in the time I've had it and that was for all of 5 minutes. I was considering a game in the app store which was rather expensive so I installed it to see if it was worth the money. 5 minutes later it proved to be complete shovelware and was uninstalled, had it been good I would have uninstalled it and bought it through the store.

The biggest reasons I see for jailbreaking are Backgrounder with Proswitcher and SBSettings. All of them are provided free by their developers and quite frankly they make the phone usable. If apple forces me to choose between the apps I've paid for and the jailbroken apps that make the thing work the way it should I'll be looking for a new phone.

Re:So they should (5, Insightful)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157116)

where do you come up with this? Jail breaking exists because there is a demand for features that apple refuses to provide. It's no different than rooting a google phone, and for the same reasons.

Easy examples: Flash, multitasking, tethering.

I'm an apple hater, someone who doesn't even have an iphone, and even I know this. Basically, there wouldn't be jailbreaking if apple was actually giving their customers what they want.

Re:So they should (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31157256)

It's a lot different than rooting a Google phone.

You don't need to break the law to root a Google phone.

Re:So they should (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157414)

there's no law broken in jailbreaking an iphone either, so what's your point? Yes, you had a contractual agreement, but that's not law (nor would it hold up in court if apple tried to sue jailbreakers)- this is well established in the mod-chip cases in the US, which are legal.

Re:So they should (-1, Troll)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157264)

This is the Apple cult's answer for anything that deviates from Steve's vision for them.

Personally, I find Apple's selection of content abominable. Even if I were inside of their
bubble, I would not wait for them to get off their lazy asses and make stuff available for
purchase. I just go to Amazon or Walmart and connect the rest of the dots myself.

DRM ultimately just gets in the way of the people that pay.

Fixating on the pirates is just "glass half empty" thinking.

Re:So they should (1)

s73v3r (963317) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157520)

Ummmm, the iTunes DRM doesn't preclude you from doing either of those things. All the iPods and iPhones will play unprotected MP3 files, which is what Amazon sells, and you can buy a CD from Walmart, rip it, and put it on your device.

Re:So they should (5, Insightful)

IndustrialComplex (975015) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157308)

I'll add my experience:

I've jailbroken my phone, and I have not placed a single app that was available on the appstore on my phone without purchasing it from the appstore.

I jailbroke my phone so I could get into the file system of the phone because I absolutely hate using iTunes to get files on and off my device. I also liked to be able to multitask and not have my preferred music player stop working because I wanted to look up something on the internet.

In fact, if I couldn't jailbreak my phone I wouldn't have purchased it in the first place since in its default state, it's a pretty crappy device for my needs.

Re:So they should (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31157590)

Valid point - but,

1. If you have jailbroken phone, you potentially could circumvent protections that Apple is obligated to provide its content providers (music etc.)

2. Content & software is what makes an iPhone so special. So please dont muck it up for everyone else. You may not use apps for free - but with jail broken phones, it can be done. As an iPhone App Developer, I dont want you using my apps on a jailbroken phone, and am ok with losing the associated revenue. There are apps stores that allow jailbroken phones to download apps - use those.

3. Apple provides us with a great platform to sell useful goods. This is not like the recording industry where the artists make a small fraction of what the companies makes. Apple gives me more than 65% of the revenue - and we are glad. If you dont like DRM, dont want 'Walls' great... create your own community and your own content.

Re:So they should (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31157420)

I jailbroke my phone to get these features:

1. A bash shell and openssh so I could have scripts for maintaining servers with me at all times.

2. Multitasking - why should GPS apps suspend and lose location info when someone calls? Why should Rhapsody not be allowed to run in the background? (Note to Apple: offer a Rhapsody-like streaming service please)

3. Steve Jobs may like how the iPhone GUI looks, but I don't worship Jobs and have my own ideas how my iPhone theme should look. Jobs is a brilliant guy, but he is a bit narcissistic. Why should he lock down my phone because I choose to use it differently than he uses his?

4. To enable tethering, which I haven't used other than to test it, but to know it's there if I am in a pinch and need internet access from a laptop immediately while on the road

And yet, I've not "pirated"[sic] a single application. I know people who don't jailbreak who claim to "pirate"[sic] apps, by syncing friends' phones to their macs (I don't know if it can be done as I'm not interested in "stealing"[sic] apps). I download plenty of apps from the app store - and some music (I'm mostly happy with my CD rips, but I do want to buy some tracks on occasion). I even purchase paid apps, such as TomTom, bejeweled, and quite a few others. Funny thing though, aside from TomTom, Defend Your Castle, and bejeweled, I don't bother with the apps I paid for all that much. I've found that many of the free ones are better, or just about as good! Why buy "fastlane" when the only real improvement over the free version is additional scenery?

I don't "pirate"[sic] apps or music, and have no desire to. And yet, I jailbroke my phone. In fact when I mistakenly downgraded to 3.1.3 (and did not have my hashes on file) I figured out a way to upgrade generate the hashes and upgrade from 3.1.3 back up to 3.1.2.

Posted anon since I figured out how to successfully revert back to 3.1.2 and I do not want Apple to ban me from the app store, since I actually LIKE giving Apple money in exchange for product on occasion.

Re:So they should (1)

s73v3r (963317) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157494)

Even if the iPhone had those (and it does have tethering, just not in the US :( ), there probably still would be jailbreaking, simply because people love to tinker with their gadgets. Hell, I remember hearing about some small, handheld IM client device, and people were hacking it to expose the full Linux functionality beneath it. Its a little texting device, aimed at little girls, and people were hacking it. So jailbreaking might not be as prevalent, and might not be as useful if it had those things you mentioned, but it'd still happen.

Re:So they should (3, Insightful)

Grond (15515) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157216)

Jail-breaking facilitates piracy

So how is banning jailbreakers from the app store going to help with that? It seems like it would just force the jailbreakers to use pirated apps exclusively.

And assuming Apple limits the bans to the authors of jailbreaking tools rather than end users, it won't do much to deter the development of such tools. You don't need access to the app store to write the tools, and I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the authors of the tools have no problem pirating apps themselves.

I think jailbreaking isn't a great idea, and Apple is within its rights to deter it through security improvements and the like, but this just seems counterproductive.

You think like a ReThuglican Jew (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31157304)

You think like a ReThuglican Jew

Re:So they should (2, Insightful)

selven (1556643) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157324)

And this punishment just happens to only be effective against people who don't pirate.

Re:So they should (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157336)

Jail-breaking facilitates piracy

Jail-breaking facilitates a lot of things, like SSH daemons. If Apple wants to stop piracy of digital media, they should stop selling digital media devices, because they facilitate piracy too.

Re:So they should (1)

scubamage (727538) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157344)

While I agree that jailbreaking could potentially facilitate piracy, you're missing one major flaw with your theory. The app store is the primary/only *legitimate* source for iphone applications. By banning the users, they force them to resort to piracy for applications, since they have no alternate way to purchase them. I do however wonder what the US government has to say about this, since punishing users for jailbreaking is what the legislation about locking a device so a single network was designed to prevent. You have to jailbreak to use TMobile. So are all tmobile users going to be prevented from using the app store?

Re:So they should (2, Interesting)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157422)

But the majority of them cost, what, £5? Maybe £7 or £9?

More like £1.

From Apple's point of view, jailbreaking is a means of piracy and exploiting AT&T's bandwidth for things like tethering, and a possible vector for attack.

From free software advocates' point of view, jailbreaking is the freedom to install software that Apple/AT&T wouldn't approve.

From everyone else's point of view, it's a non-issue.

I can definitely relate to those who'd like to run any code they want on their phone, but IMHO they should really just cough up the money for a dev license. $99 isn't that much if you're already spending $1000/year for service.

On the other hand, I can't see how Apple or anyone else would benefit by blocking jailbreakers from App Store. Maybe Apple canceled their developer accounts, which are attached to Apple IDs, and blocking the App Store was just a side effect.

Re:So they should (2, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157698)

$99 isn't that much if you're already spending $1000/year for service.

Three problems with your argument:

  • iPod Touch owners spend $0/year for service.
  • It's not $99 if your current PC is not a Mac; it's $698: $99 for the certificate and $599 for the Mac mini. Or are the development tools for jailbroken iPhones also Mac-exclusive?
  • You have to have a company to sign up for ADC; the form won't let you continue if you leave the "Company" field blank.

Re:So they should (1)

Gusfm (1157321) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157576)

I think you don't get it. The iPhone without jail-breaking is just a useless brick. With jail-breaking you can install ssh, install mplayer (more video formats supported), and many other useful cydia apps.

Re:So they should (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157794)

There are SSH Apps for non-jail broken phones...
There is even an RDP app.

You hacked an apple product? (1)

Moheeheeko (1682914) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157068)

.....cooler, 8 weeks.

Dear oh dear... how about some fact checking? (5, Informative)

Shuntros (1059306) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157086)

3.1.3 hasn't been "hacked". The chap discovered a specific crash which could trigger a crash in the baseband software, potentially being one day developed into an unlock. Long way off..

The other guy cobbled a VB front-end onto a load of other people's utilities to make a questionably legal Windows version of an existing OSX program for creating custom firmware bundles.

Bit of an overreaction on Apple's part if you ask me.

The Apple Experience (5, Funny)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157092)

Is a lot like the experience you have after having a few too many drinks and wandering into a dark alley at 3AM.

Re:The Apple Experience (5, Funny)

Snocone (158524) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157384)

You mean, an overpriced blowjob?

Hmmm ... I suppose that's not too far off the mark, actually.

A Word to the Wise (1)

hyades1 (1149581) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157120)

Sounds like it's time for a little spoofing. One account for access to the app store, another to give the Apple security thugs some red meat to chew on. Time to teach Mr. Jobs some manners.

Mod me down (-1, Offtopic)

Kludge (13653) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157128)

For goodness sake, who gives a crap about the stupid iphone? I remember when slashdot was a site that made fun of people who bought crap like iphones and then whined about it. Now it's a bunch of whiners.
If you want a really great phone that you can hack on and a company who actually likes you for it, get an n900. I love mine (and I am in no way affiliated w/ Nokia).

Re:Mod me down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31157244)

I agree. I've been waiting so long for this, just getting to know the thing exists felt like a Christmas present.

Re:Mod me down (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157280)

Yeah, everything was better in the olden days. I remember when we could just bash everything but Linux, but now freakin' COMPANIES sometimes do things right! What is the world coming to...

Re:Mod me down (1)

DebianDog (472284) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157400)

Umm I do not have an iPhone but at least 13 MILLION people do. They expect to sell another 15 million or so this year and I would bet on it if the 4G is released.

You may not like the "lock in" from Apple or the "lame" AT&T service but it is FAR from "crap" or "stupid". The iPhone DOMINATES the worldwide smartphone market. http://theappleblog.com/2010/01/22/iphone-dominating-worldwide-smartphone-usage-report/ [theappleblog.com]

The N900 has it own limitations the biggest being having to use AT&T or T-Mobile and large upfront cost.

Re:Mod me down (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157662)

You're an idiot. That's smartphone online usage, not market share. In market share, the iPhone has little more than 10% [cnet.com] , while Nokia has 36% and RIM has more than 20%.

Re:Mod me down (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157486)

For goodness sake, who gives a crap about the stupid iphone?

I care not because I own one (I do, but it's not jailbroken), but because according to Jobs, this is the computing wave of the future. Apple is trying to prevent any usefulness for jailbreaking before they release their latest computer, the iPad. They're scared of what freedoms users can have with an iPad if jailbreaking them becomes common, so they need to make it very undesirable. The next step is an OS kill-switch, and I believe it will happen now. I thought for sure they wouldn't go _this_ far.

"Banned for security reasons" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31157162)

Am I the only one who thinks that this line is disturbingly Orwellian?

Re:"Banned for security reasons" (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157290)

Of course you would not be the first person to make that connection.

Apple has turned into just the sort of company they were criticizing when they introduced the Macintosh.

That girl even looks Scandinavian...

Closed Ecosystem (3, Insightful)

zeromorph (1009305) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157170)

That is one of the huge drawbacks of such a closed ecosystem.

However, the original post is less agitate than the summary:

Is Apple starting to ban those associated with jailbreaking?

The answer is probably not. [...] however it definitely would put an iron grip on those who pirate free software. The details of what is going on remain extremely murky but maybe they are taking down some of the bigger players.

I can't wait for my contract to expire (1, Troll)

maynard (3337) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157184)

Hi Apple! Been a big fan since I dumped Linux in '04 or so. I've really enjoyed MacOS X and my laptops. You sold me a good UNIX with support for Microsoft Office - which I need. But you know what? Ever since you started making money hands over fist with iTunes, you've started REALLY SUCKING as a company. I don't want to buy from you any longer. My next phone will NOT be an iPhone. My next laptop will NOT be another Macbook. I think I'll be perfectly happy with an unlocked Nexus and a laptop running FreeBSD. So... FUCK OFF, Apple. For me, your time has come and gone. -M

Re:I can't wait for my contract to expire (3, Insightful)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157260)

Ever since you started making money hands over fist with iTunes...

Ummm... Apple has never started making money hand over fist with iTunes. Income from iTunes and the iPhone app store together are a negligible portion of Apple's revenue. Seriously, they both barely make more than the operational cost.

Re:I can't wait for my contract to expire (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157330)

Cite that please. You're arguing that they make little to no money from content distribution through iTunes? I think you're full of it.

Re:I can't wait for my contract to expire (5, Interesting)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157706)

Cite that please. You're arguing that they make little to no money from content distribution through iTunes? I think you're full of it.

Sure. http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/11/steve-jobs-tries-to-downplay-the-itunes-stores-profit/ [nytimes.com] ...is an article where a NYT pundit postulates that despite Apple having publicly stated they make little money on the operation, he thinks they might actually be making a billion dollars a year (they make 25 billion or so a year as a company). Be sure to read the update at the end where he acknowledges he was mostly wrong after someone explained to him how much credit card transaction fees cost.

Re:I can't wait for my contract to expire (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157766)

You didn't read the article you cited, did you? It made the exact opposite point of what you argue - that iTunes is immensely profitable for the firm. Read the link you posted.

Re:I can't wait for my contract to expire (3, Funny)

IndustrialComplex (975015) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157380)

Ummm... Apple has never started making money hand over fist with iTunes. Income from iTunes and the iPhone app store together are a negligible portion of Apple's revenue. Seriously, they both barely make more than the operational cost.

It must suck for a company to have a component of its business operating at a profit.

Re:I can't wait for my contract to expire (0, Troll)

dancingmilk (1005461) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157728)

Ummm... Apple has never started making money hand over fist with iTunes. Income from iTunes and the iPhone app store together are a negligible portion of Apple's revenue. Seriously, they both barely make more than the operational cost.

[Citation needed]

Re:I can't wait for my contract to expire (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157574)

Ever since you started making money hands over fist with iTunes, you've started REALLY SUCKING as a company. I don't want to buy from you any longer. My next phone will NOT be an iPhone. My next laptop will NOT be another Macbook.

And they'll be okay with that, just so long as you keep using iTunes for your media and software needs. New! Order Chinese food through iTunes!

Re:I can't wait for my contract to expire (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157680)

And they'll be okay with that, just so long as you keep using iTunes for your media and software needs.

Excellent point. Fortunately, iTunes doesn't install on FreeBSD. -M

You've a right to hack hardware you own... (1)

Spencerian (465343) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157200)

...But do not expect the hardware/software's creator to give you carte blanche access to the resources to do it.

And heaven help you should you do what they fear you or others could do if your code has a serious bug; spam or interrupt the cell network or a local wifi network. The onslaught of Apple's lawyers, not to mention the FCC and other international communications regulators, would by a iPocalypse in itself.

Re:You've a right to hack hardware you own... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31157364)

What are these "rights" you speak of? All I see are privileges.

Re:You've a right to hack hardware you own... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31157368)

WOW is the boogie man also going to come after me tooooo?

If I can mess up the cell network with a phone then I should be given a medal because little thought has been given to the network. God forbid that someone should really want to down the network!

Consumer protection? (1)

redalien (711170) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157232)

I'm not sure where these people are based, but many countries would have them protected here. The iPhone is pretty much useless without the app store and apple are very clear that it is the main selling point in their adverts. By cutting people off from a monopoly store they have changed the functionality of the device which is still being paid for.

I'd stop paying my contract fees immediately until the access is restored, personally.

Serves right. that much fanboism eventually had to (2, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157238)

have a price tag with it. in this case, price is freedom.

apple users should face the distasteful truth. the company which is providing them 'stylish' and 'hip' products that 'just work', is just wanting to keep them as cash cows without any consumer choice.

Re:Serves right. that much fanboism eventually had (1)

dotgain (630123) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157738)

...except for the bit where they're free to abandon Apple's products the instant they get sick of them, and find something they perceive to be better.

Silver lining (4, Insightful)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157246)

This obviously sucks for the people involved, but I can't help but feel this is actually superb news. Maybe this will finaly drive home that the ability to jailbreak your devices does not excuse manufactures for making locked-down closed devices. Far too often I've heard arguments of the form: "[DEVICES] are not locked down, because you can jailbreak them if you want to."

Not just for jailbreakers (3, Insightful)

tomasf (1524515) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157298)

I got the exact same message a couple of weeks ago when I tried to log in to ADC. Here's a screenshot: http://tomasf.se/other/appleid.jpg [tomasf.se]

I'm not a jailbreaker, though, so either Apple made a mistake in my case, or this has nothing to do with jailbreaking. Now to figure out how to resolve this... :-/

Re:Not just for jailbreakers (1)

NitroWolf (72977) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157342)

I got the exact same message a couple of weeks ago when I tried to log in to ADC. Here's a screenshot: http://tomasf.se/other/appleid.jpg [tomasf.se]

I'm not a jailbreaker, though, so either Apple made a mistake in my case, or this has nothing to do with jailbreaking. Now to figure out how to resolve this... :-/

It's pretty easy to resolve. Buy an Android phone.

Re:Not just for jailbreakers (4, Informative)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157484)

It's pretty easy to resolve. Buy an Android phone.

Really? Wow, so Google doesn't lock people out of accounts that have had too many bad login attempts?

Because that is exactly what has happened here [apple.com] ; nothing sinister.

Re:Not just for jailbreakers (1)

tomasf (1524515) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157584)

Thank you for the pointer! My account now works properly again.

Misleading Summary, jumping too conclusions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31157440)

"Adam Mills writes in the Examiner that Apple has been cutting off access to the iTunes App Store for iPhone hackers and jailbreakers"

Actually, that's not what the article says. Maybe Apple is seeking these accounts out to ban, but there is certainly little evidence to suggest this and the anecdotal evidence provided is weak. Wow Slashdot, the downward spiral continues. What is this reddit or something?

Nice. (2, Insightful)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157460)

Keep digging that hole for yourself, Apple. It'll save Android from having to do the heavy lifting.

Good ol' FUD (1)

f4k3r (642406) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157466)

Is it that hard to ask your favorite search engine? Their Apple ID was disabled, so what do you do - how about just resetting your password? http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2446 [apple.com] They weren't "banned" because they got jailbroken phones, sheesh...

Irony (2, Insightful)

digitalloving (1540905) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157506)

Hey, at least Microsoft didn't do this. Then it'd be downright evil.

Technically they are right. (1)

drolli (522659) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157644)

A manipulated verification procedure for software to be installed *is* a security problem. If the procedure is manipulated, then it is imaginable that binaries transferred from the appstore to the phone get manipulated on the way and that apple is liable for the damage from that. If the promise is a safe delivery of an application, then, as a customer you probably can sue them if you can prove that apple got knowledge about this and did *not* inform you. So technically speaking, an jailbroken iphone is a system which is damaged in a way which prevents a security feature (the use of is -for whatever reason- mandatory) needed for the safe use of the app. store from working. That the "Security" coindcides with Apples best interests and that Apple did not give a possibility to turn off this feature, is written on another sheet of paper.

And-actually-i highly doubt that it is a legal right of a iphone owner to use the app store forever. Nobody stops you from using the iphone as you wish, i mean that was the primary purpose of jailbreaking, wasnt it?

BTW: My Nokia E63 has a way of turning the certificate checking off and on in a controlled way.

Wait... (-1, Troll)

Carik (205890) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157668)

...so when someone breaks their contract with Apple, Apple will prevent them from using more Apple products?

Wow... that's almost as bad as police pulling people over for speeding, or ticketing illegally parked cars!

(Hmm... was there a little too much sarcasm in that? Oh well. Still... getting upset because a company stops doing business with you after you break a contract with them is pretty silly. If you didn't like the contract, you shouldn't have signed it in the first place.)

As an iphone developer.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31157732)

this would really really suck if true - it will only drive all jailbreakers to pirating all apps instead of purchasing them legitimately ....

At least I personally don't see jailbreakers as all pirates - I personally have a jailbroken phone (as I couldn't use it in my country otherwise when I first got it) but don't pirate, and till now haven't seen piracy as an issue (I've not bothered putting piracy checks in my apps as I figure the small portion of users that do pirate mostly wouldn't buy the app otherwise anyway, and if they really want to go that effort to just save $1 then they probably need the money more than me) .... but if every jailbreaker is forced into piracy that would change things a long

Easy way to lose money (1)

Chardish (529780) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157744)

Ban jailbreakers from the app store. Then you don't get the 30% cut of the apps they would be legitimately buying anymore, and instead they'll just be forced to learn how to pirate the apps they want.

Re:Easy way to lose money (1)

drolli (522659) | more than 4 years ago | (#31157802)

The jailbroken iphones/ipods i have seen up to now did *not* have 30% apps from the app-store

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