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20 Years of Photoshop

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the worth-it-for-the-screenshots dept.

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benwiggy writes "Photoshop turned 20 on 10th February 2010. Here's an excellent history, including how the Knoll family created one of the biggest apps of all time. The article also has screenshots of the workspace through the versions."

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So good it's a verb (5, Insightful)

pwnies (1034518) | more than 4 years ago | (#31174820)

Kudos photoshop. You know that you've done well with a piece of software when it turns into a verb.
That said, spread some lovin' over to the linux side of things. Right now that's the only thing that's keeping me from using linux as my main OS (using win7 right now).

Re:So good it's a verb (2, Insightful)

lambent (234167) | more than 4 years ago | (#31174886)

it's unlikely to ever happen, as that would require a complete rewrite of the entire codebase. there's so much cruft in photoshop, i don't know anyone who would even be willing to say it's even possible.

that being said, i think it probably needs a good overhaul (organic growth over 20 years can't be pretty to maintain), and i'd pay a lot for a solid *NIX port.

Re:So good it's a verb (1)

Philip K Dickhead (906971) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175254)

*NIX port?

I think it's funny how much attention is paid to the Windows version!

Does anyone know why there are so many Windows screencaps in the cited article?

It's not like Windows 98 was the dominant platform in art departments and pre-press operations.

Re:So good it's a verb (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31175260)

Photoshop runs under win32, OS X (Carbon) and OS X (Cocoa). In the past it's run under Irix. Recent versions look like ass because they use an abstraction layer (and flash) for the UI. If they wanted a linux version, it would not require a total rewrite. It would, however, look like ass.

Re:So good it's a verb (1)

theheadlessrabbit (1022587) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175308)

that being said, i think it probably needs a good overhaul (organic growth over 20 years can't be pretty to maintain)

you think 20 years is bad? You've got a few billion years of very organic growth in your own codebase, and it practically maintains itself, no overhauls required.

Re:So good it's a verb (1)

Lostlander (1219708) | more than 4 years ago | (#31176116)

Yeah but the original code was well optimized we've only been messing with the codebase for the last few hundred years.

Re:So good it's a verb (1, Interesting)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 4 years ago | (#31174922)

Careful what you ask for, you might get it. CS 4 is enormously bloated, slow, powerful. Two of those adjectives are not complements. Besides, if Adobe did it, you would have some measure of the annoying and bug strewn activation code that infests their products.

I'm not sure I would go there....

Re:So good it's a verb (2, Insightful)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175416)

This is why I've held on to my copy of PS6. Works great on lower end systems, and still has all of the useful tools.

So Good It's a Tradition (1)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#31174928)

Kudos photoshop. You know that you've done well with a piece of software when it turns into a verb.

It's more than a verb, for some people it's a tradition and art form [somethingawful.com] *. Had there been no Photoshop, something would have probably filled the void but it's definitely one of the (expensive) standards around.

*Yeah, I know you see a link to Something Awful and are thinking "not gonna click that!" but it's just the Photoshop Phriday main page, a site like the Onion that briefly brightens my week.

But how many bought a copy? (3, Interesting)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175132)

Thought not.

Apart from MS Office, it has to be the most pirated bit of software in the world.
 

Re:But how many bought a copy? (1)

pwnies (1034518) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175250)

I own photoshop CS. Surprising, I know.

Re:But how many bought a copy? (1)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175324)

Yeah, I got that for free too with something I bought.

Re:But how many bought a copy? (1)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175690)

Thought not.

Apart from MS Office, it has to be the most pirated bit of software in the world.

No doubt you're right but not only do I own a copy (not the latest version, but it's legal), I also have a floppy disk with Macintosh version 1.0 on it around here somewhere. Hard to believe, I know, but at one time Photoshop fit on a single 1.44 MB floppy.

Re:So good it's a verb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31175152)

Kudos photoshop. You know that you've done well with a piece of software when it turns into a verb.
That said, spread some lovin' over to the linux side of things. Right now that's the only thing that's keeping me from using linux as my main OS (using win7 right now).


IIRC, several years ago, Disney paid a decent amount to the CodeWeavers folks to ensure that Photoshop ran correctly under CrossOver Office. No idea what the current status is, but I'd think a PS version or two back should work fine for nearly anything you'd need to do.

Re:So good it's a verb (1)

pwnies (1034518) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175294)

Not really. I've ran CS and CS2 under wine before, and it simply doesn't have the performance that the native ones have. In my case, I'm doing editing on images that are often times 12000x12000px, often times with over 100 layers. For simple edits, it's fine. But for larger projects it just cant handle it.

Re:So good it's a verb (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175240)

A verb? It’s worse. What I’ve seen:

Photoshop -> to photoshop / photoshopped -> to ’shop / shopped -> to shoop -> and then there is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2yjhHdDjYo [youtube.com]

But the File Format Sucks. :) (1, Insightful)

weston (16146) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175790)

"At this point, I'd like to take a moment to speak to you about the Adobe PSD format. PSD is not a good format. PSD is not even a bad format. Calling it such would be an insult to other bad formats, such as PCX or JPEG..." [google.com]

And while we're at it, I have to say: Can we please be done with the idea that web mockups should be done in Photoshop? It never was a good tool for designing web layouts. The idea that it ever was is an artifact of its market position and the popularity of certain raster effects at the time the web rose. Illustrator has been a better tool for web layouts for a while, and Fireworks (with a fantastic blend of vector and raster capabilities) is even better, and there are probably half a dozen other vector capable layout tools I'm not aware of that are better...

(Please do not suggest Gimp or PSP. They're bad choices for web layouts for the same reasons Photoshop is.) /soapbox

Re:But the File Format Sucks. :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31176050)

How about Inkscape?

I'm not necessarily suggesting it, I'm looking for an answer.

On Fireworks (2, Insightful)

LibertineR (591918) | more than 4 years ago | (#31176278)

I generally agree that Fireworks is superior for web mockups. However, I hope they get around to fixing text handling, which is still awful after all these years, which forces me back to Photoshop or Illustrator just to add text parts. In other respects, Fireworks CS4 is pretty amazing; able to spit CSS layouts from slices and all that.

Re:So good it's a verb (1)

Elektroschock (659467) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175802)

Come on, I really don't get why Adobe does not finance Wine support for its products. Shouldn't be too expensive. The advantage of Linux is that it runs on super-computers.

Re:So good it's a verb (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 4 years ago | (#31176012)

Too many people think of wine as an emulator even though it's right in the name that it is not. Compiled to winelib is no different than compiling to gtk or qt.

Re:So good it's a verb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31175966)

Yeah, I wish the free software alternative wasn't such a GIMP.

[no offense intended, meant in the Pulp Fiction sense]

Re:So good it's a verb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31176152)

GIMPing is also a verb. [wikipedia.org]

Gimp? (0, Troll)

cytoman (792326) | more than 4 years ago | (#31174868)

Will there be an article about the Gimp when it turns 20, too?

Re:Gimp? (1)

Draek (916851) | more than 4 years ago | (#31174892)

Most likely, but given that Linux itself doesn't turn 20 'til next year, I'd say there's still a long way until then.

Re:Gimp? (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175528)

Eh 6 years isn't that long

Re:Gimp? (3, Insightful)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175092)

There is an article about the GIMP every time it farts.

Re:Gimp? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31175272)

Gimp is pretty much useless, where as Photoshop is industry, hobbiest, mom and pop, and every kid who can download warez's defacto standard.

I've been using it since PS 3 on the Mac (still have the floppies :), now waiting for CS5, I must say, its been a great ride!

Re:Gimp? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31175502)

It's more than that. No self respecting artiste can really be worth his k00la1d3 without having a pirated copy of photoshop around. Try to submit shit to 4chan using gimp and you will be beat right the fuck down.

Re:Gimp? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31175756)

What the hell? Maybe it is because I haven't used photoshop recently but I remember gimp being basically a clone with all the functionality.

And more importantly GIMP is legally free.

Re:Gimp? (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175516)

When the gimp turns 18, we'll celebrate with a gang-bang.

Re:Gimp? (2, Interesting)

selven (1556643) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175934)

Gimp is not nearly as important in the world of free software as Photoshop is in the proprietary one. 25 years of vi, that's a milestone.

woot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31174876)

unfortunately, the last 5 years have been pure shit. Like Joe Biden, it's senile and incontinent. The liberal douche of old spice is unable to mask the stench of shit.

20 Years of Photoshop (-1, Offtopic)

cosm (1072588) | more than 4 years ago | (#31174900)

The subtitle of Nancy Pelosi's Cosmetics in Politics Guide.

Bring the flames.

Photoshop anniversary contest suggestion (4, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 4 years ago | (#31174906)

Photoshopping photos over 20 years old to show people using Photoshop. Then claim they are legit. "Photoshop is over 20 years old, you can clearly see here they were using it during the Civil War!"

Nostalgia (2, Insightful)

toastar (573882) | more than 4 years ago | (#31174950)

Sometimes I really miss photoshop 5.5.

7.0 was also pretty good. Things started to go down hill when they switched to the cs moniker

Re:Nostalgia (2, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175156)

Unfortunately, Adobe has some smart people in Marketing. I'm sure they have a pile of new features hidden in a source code repository that lies underneath an unassuming bungalow in a suburb near Burbank. Every 18 months, senior marketing staff, cleverly disguised as Roto-Rooter workers, go to this stash and pull a few likely features.

These get grafted on to Photoshop with the idea that they are just flashy and / or important enough to get people to upgrade. Thus, Photoshop CS(x) + 1 is born.

Then, the evil bit folks trot out the latest activation code tweaks to the dismay of right thinking folk everywhere.

And somewhere in a damp basement cell, the Bridge team codes on, hoping that if they ever get it right, they might be let out into the sunshine some day.

Re:Nostalgia (1)

toastar (573882) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175366)

Unfortunately, Adobe has some smart people in Marketing. .

My theory is they all came from macromedia, Adobe kept the engineers and replaced all the Marketeers.

Re:Nostalgia (1)

kainewynd2 (821530) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175620)

Thus, Photoshop CS(x + 1) is born.

Fixed that for you...

First one I used (1)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175030)

Photoshop 3.0, I got it off the USENET in the spring of '96. 68k version for my Performa 575 w/ 12MB ram.

This must be fake. (4, Funny)

Cowclops (630818) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175058)

This article looks totally photoshopped, its probably fake.

Re:This must be fake. (1)

HNS-I (1119771) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175186)

I'll just give the number okey? It's 331, geez!

Re:This must be fake. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31175306)

[citation needed]

mandatory xkcd reference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31175338)

http://xkcd.com/331/

(posted as AC because I am lazy)

Re:mandatory xkcd reference (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175570)

You are so lazy you don't want an easy +5 funny?

Re:This must be fake. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31175582)

I agree, I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in my time...

Sigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31175060)

Photoshop 7 was the last version I really wanted to use. After the CS-series it's just been horrible bloatware. But what can I do? It's not like there's an alternative. GIMP still sucks, and Paint Shop Pro is a joke.

Re:Sigh (2, Funny)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175434)

You're just saying that to obscure your interest in counterfeiting.

Re:Sigh (1)

M3.14 (1616191) | more than 4 years ago | (#31176062)

Sadly I must agree. However it's only my opinion. Photoshop from v7 up kinda lost it for me. All subsequent versions of PS just added more functions I don't use and probably never will. Maybe I should wait for PS elements to reach CS7 to be usable for everything PS7 could do. ... and yes. I've tried GIMP too.

Photoshopped ... (0, Redundant)

Gopal.V (532678) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175122)

Looking through those images, I couldn't help noticing that the screenshots look photoshopped ...

4chan (4, Funny)

cosm (1072588) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175124)

pics or it didnt happen

Re:4chan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31175468)

With Photoshop, it's more like "pics or it didn't...well it probably didn't happen anyway"

Well, actually, (1)

idontgno (624372) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175126)

Photoshop is only 10 years old. They photoshopped all the pictures to make it look like 20.

And also to give themselves more functional weapons of mass destruction. [boingboing.net]

No multiple windows (1, Flamebait)

Xamusk (702162) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175134)

Yep, no multiple windows throughout its history. Just the usual MDI with panels interface.

That says something from the industry's standard to the would-be competitors.

Re:No multiple windows (1)

Xamusk (702162) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175188)

FTA: "support for CMYK colour which led to widespread Photoshop adoption by the printing industry, and the Pen."

Yes, that was on 1991!

I'm happy for ya (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31175138)

YO, knoll family, i'm really happy for ya and all, but Microsoft had one of the biggest apps of all time.

Re:I'm happy for ya (1)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 4 years ago | (#31176038)

What does Microsoft have to do with anything. Seriously - Microsoft doesn't need anyone cheerleading for them (even now, I'm sure they could buy and sell photoshop in their sleep), and it's not like Photoshop directly competes with them on anything (except maybe the wareze scene?). So, where the fuck did that comparison even come from?

Going downhill (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31175246)

Photoshop 3.0 was a speed demon on my Pentium-90 with 16mb of ram. Each successive version has gotten slower and slower. CS3 brings my Core2-Duo two it's knees.

May be a good time to discuss alternatives (5, Interesting)

rduke15 (721841) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175284)

Not being a graphics designer, I never liked Photoshop which was too slow, bloated and complicated (and expensive) for my simple uses. In my Windows days, I first found Paint Shop Pro (of which I still have some prehistoric version somewhere), and finally ended up mostly using IrfanView and XnView, + occasionally PhotoFiltre.

While I'm sure Photoshop is a fantastic program for professionals, let's try a list of things normal users (like myself) mainly need in a graphics program:

- Rotate (losslessly for Jpeg)
- Resize
- Crop
- Print
- Convert to another format (Save as)
- Adjust brightness, contrast, white balance

Then maybe
- Edit metadata (Jpeg comments, Exif description, maybe IPTC tags)
- rarely convert a color scan to black and white.
- and maybe once or twice a year add something on a picture like text or a circle etc.

Obviously, Photoshop is really too much for this.

For Windows users, I know what to recommend (usually XnView; + PhotoFiltre if needed)

But I still don't know what to use on my Ubuntu desktop which has been my main machine for over 6 months. The Gimp feels just like Photoshop: too heavy and complicated (though the price is fine), and all the others I tried too limited (gThumb and the like). Is there a gem I missed somewhere?

Re:May be a good time to discuss alternatives (2, Informative)

icebrain (944107) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175388)

I just want to see an updated run of Jasc Paintshop 6. Basic photoediting capabilities without getting rid of the "traditional" paint functions. Gimp and Photoshop are too complicated.

Re:May be a good time to discuss alternatives (2, Insightful)

Dumnezeu (1673634) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175420)

For this, I use Paint.NET [paint.net] on Windows.

Re:May be a good time to discuss alternatives (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175642)

That's the wrong website, but they were kind enough to point me in the right direction.

you screwed the Earl (1)

arielCo (995647) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175794)

It's www.paint.net [getpaint.net] . Annoying.

Re:May be a good time to discuss alternatives (1)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175432)

Picasa ? Runs fine under wine too.

Re:May be a good time to discuss alternatives (1, Insightful)

kaizendojo (956951) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175538)

IrfanView does all that you list (and few other useful things) and is free.

Re:May be a good time to discuss alternatives (1)

director_mr (1144369) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175544)

Not sure what is a good alternative that does all that you mention on linux or apple computers, but irfanview does everything you mention and more and it is free. Check out www.irfanview.com

Re:May be a good time to discuss alternatives (2, Informative)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175546)

XnView is being ported. Beta versions:

http://www.xnview.com/en/downloadunix.html [xnview.com]

Re:May be a good time to discuss alternatives (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31175662)

Or use Paint.NET, which does everything you mention.

Re:May be a good time to discuss alternatives (1)

uassholes (1179143) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175738)

Between jpegtran, exiftool, and ImageMagick you could probably do all of those things. The nice thing is that you can use them from the command line; no GUI bloat necessary, although ImageMagick has a GUI.

Re:May be a good time to discuss alternatives (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31175858)

Between jpegtran, exiftool, and ImageMagick you could probably do all of those things. The nice thing is that you can use them from the command line; no GUI bloat necessary, although ImageMagick has a GUI.

Yeah, I can't possibly imagine why anyone would want a GUI when manipulating images...

Re:May be a good time to discuss alternatives (1)

domatic (1128127) | more than 4 years ago | (#31176224)

Believe it or not many things you might want to do to an image don't need a GUI or just a minimal one. Resizing every image in a directory to 640x480 or converting all to png would be examples.

Re:May be a good time to discuss alternatives (4, Informative)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175880)

I've had a lot of luck with Krita [krita.org] .

Re:May be a good time to discuss alternatives (2, Interesting)

reub2000 (705806) | more than 4 years ago | (#31176196)

In my experience, Krita has never been responsive enough. Supposedly the KOffice team is working on speeding up the application.

Re:May be a good time to discuss alternatives (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175890)

Personally, I use IrfanView for most of that stuff. It can even use Photoshop plugins, I believe.

Re:May be a good time to discuss alternatives (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31175980)

RawTherapee!
I use it on Linux and Windows. And the Author recently released the code under GPL.

Re:May be a good time to discuss alternatives (1)

domatic (1128127) | more than 4 years ago | (#31176060)

Perhaps mtpaint:

http://mtpaint.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]

mtpaint can also be set to do external actions on an image so if you find an exif utility you like.......

When it comes up, you may be fooled into thinking it is a 256 color program. It isn't. It defaults to 256 color palletted pix for new images but will edit and allow higher depth color choices fine. gwenview is nice to view a directory of images and has a nice enough gui for editing exif and can be set to use mtpaint as an editor.

Re:May be a good time to discuss alternatives (1)

city (1189205) | more than 4 years ago | (#31176178)

Picasa was Ok until I started working with RAW files. Adobe Lightroom 3 is still in a free Beta and has been for awhile. I'm not sure what they'll ask me to pony up for it, but at this point it might be worth it. Just checked, looks like it expires April 30th 2010. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lightroom3/ [adobe.com]

Re:May be a good time to discuss alternatives (1)

LordVader717 (888547) | more than 4 years ago | (#31176208)

F-spot does all those things and more in a non-destructive fashion (meaning you can always undo) and comes with every Ubuntu install. Try it out.

Re:May be a good time to discuss alternatives (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31176262)

I use digiKam for organizing, rotate, crop, red eye and other basics. When I want to do detail work or add someone to the family photo, I use GIMP. My parents are happy with digiKam and find it is perfect for the basics they want to do.

Readable version of page on Google cache (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31175390)

Readable text version of article [74.125.47.132] for older browsers or just for quick loading.

Obligatory XKCD Refence (4, Funny)

Temujin_12 (832986) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175426)

Photoshop and open source (1)

lyml (1200795) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175454)

It's a sad state of affairs that open source should be so behind in image manipulation programs that people would rather spend thousands of dollars on license costs with draconian inspection clauses rather than use a truly free program. Sadly GIMP seems to be going nowhere and Paint.NET is targeting another audience.

Re:Photoshop and open source (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175480)

I think that says more about the quality of the open source programs that it does about freedom ideals.

developers, developers (0, Troll)

fermion (181285) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175492)

Lots of people say the problem with the Mac is that it has no applications. The truth is that the mac and Apple is often is one of the first to get truly revolutionary enabling applications. Think Visicalc. Think Photoshop. Think MacWrite. Think Excel. The iPhone is the same thing.

This is not to say that the PC does not have a greater number of applications, but when one thinks of what is able to be cheaply done on a computer, one thinks of a Visicalc, PhotoShop, page layout, etc.

Re:developers, developers (1)

gyrogeerloose (849181) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175834)

The truth is that the mac and Apple is often is one of the first to get truly revolutionary enabling applications. Think Visicalc. [...]

You're right about Photoshop and Excel but VisiCalc was originally written for the Apple II. Afterwards, versions were developed for the Atari, Commodore PET, TRS-80 and IBM PC but there never was a version for the Mac.

Re:developers, developers (1)

tumnasgt (1350615) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175988)

Quality of applications? You used CS4 on a Mac? It's appallingly slow, I use VirtualBox with XP and run CS4 on that which is much, much faster. When I need more power than provided by the VM, I walk across the room to my gaming PC with Win7.

Re:developers, developers (2, Insightful)

mhajicek (1582795) | more than 4 years ago | (#31176010)

Yeah, I'm in CADCAM. That means Windows.

20 years of bloatware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31175494)

Adobe - still the king of bloatware

Knoll family not just programming geniuses (5, Interesting)

cronb (994958) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175496)

While the sons may be known as the creators of photoshop their father is a giant in the field of nuclear engineering. His book "Raditation Detection and Measurement" is considered the bible on the topic for all nuclear engineers.

Is it just me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31175504)

Is it just me or has the interface not really changed in all these years. It's added a lot of things and some of the layout stuff has changed but to me it looks like the same old thing.

Re:Is it just me? (1)

stokessd (89903) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175826)

For my pea sized brain, that is a good thing (TM). the fact that I'm comfortable in photoshop is driven home every time I try to use the GIMP. I rally want the GIMP to be successful, but my brain has been bent into the adobe way of doing things, and I'm a lost cause.

All you need to do is see someone with good photoshop skills (think professional, rather than a dabbler like me), and you'll see why adobe has kept the UI largely unchanged. The keyboard shortcuts and pallet and tool placement becomes second nature to someone with a lot of seat time. Seeing what can be done in seconds or minutes by a skilled photoshop pilot is awe inspiring. Having the core interface change would be like moving your dog's food bowl; just not a good thing.

Sheldon
(cs4 user - yeah I bought it)

Re:Is it just me? (1)

Voyager529 (1363959) | more than 4 years ago | (#31176108)

They're damned if they do and damned if they don't. People said that about Microsoft Office (it really hadn't changed its UI much in over a decade), then they released Office 2007 and everyone screamed bloody murder because the interface was overhauled.

Photoshop isn't the simplest program in existence to pick up and use, but I'm of the persuasion that if the interface was *that* terrible that Adobe would have, at some point, done an Office 2007 ribbon-esque revamp, but my graphic designer friends give me the vibe that the UI was pretty solidly designed the first time around and really only needed to be tweaked and extended to accommodate new features as time progressed.

I miss photoshop on QNX (0, Offtopic)

Aan Cocks (1696952) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175602)

QNX is about to take another quantum leap forward. Production on a new QNX kernel, dubbed "Axion," aka QNX 8, is wrapping up later this summer and will debut sometime early next year. And it's going to pack a wallop in the embedded industry.

"Technologies like 64-bit, VT, SSE, and multi-core have all become important in the market today," said Luc du Croix, senior kernel engineer with QNX Software Systems. "And it's important that QNX take advantage of each and every one of them."

We spoke with du Croix, who has been with QSS for over a decade in various roles, about the changes coming in the new operating system. For the last year, he and his team have been hard at work rewiring their kernel alongside Intel and AMD engineers so they can support new features as soon as possible.

"With this upgrade we're actually using different SSE operations to speed kernel performance." Heretofore, SSE was seen mostly as a multimedia booster, useful for games and Photoshop plugins. "Imagine using a single instruction to move up to one hundred and twenty-eight bits of message data."

Multiple cores are key too. QNX already supports multi-processing and has won awards for its efficient use of multiple processors. But massively multi-core processing (MMCP) is a little different. "SMP is like starting a fire with sticks. MMCP is like lobbing a Molotov cocktail out of the window of a speeding Ferrari and that's what we'd really like to be doing."

Another thing that's changing is processor caching. Back when Neutrino was released, 256k off-die cache was common. Today, 2 MB on-chip cache is the norm. "QNX Neutrino is tiny, 69k, and with all of the processor cache available today, we've rewritten the kernel to load and run entirely from cache."

Running from cache has some serious speed advantages. "QNX messaging is a whole order of magnitude faster when run from cache versus system memory," du Croix said. "It prevents QNX from having to access the system bus." QSS calls this feature FastCache.

When QNX does run in main memory, however, it will be able to access up to sixteen exabytes thanks to the 64-bit ground-up rewrite. "Thirty-two bits just wasn't enough," du Croix said. "Our customers want to run on AMD 64, Core 2, Power6, and they're all playing with 64-bits."

After the update is polished, it will be bundled with the latest version of the Eclipse development suite and offered as an upgrade to developers as QNXtreme, the successor to the current QNX 6.3-based Momentics. QSS will also include a whole new userland based on FreeBSD 6's, an idea left over from the scrapped Overfiend project.

Customers deploying production systems will have the option to upgrade when the time comes as Axion will be completely backward compatible with 32-bit platforms. Customers using QNX4, however, will likely want to contact their QSS rep for evaluation.

Sort of a weird feeling about it (4, Insightful)

TheModelEskimo (968202) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175604)

Photoshop instructor here. It's a great app, but really is overkill for most needs. I actually used GIMP to design my Photoshop class websites, since I like some of the GTK conveniences better than Photoshop's relatively primitive widget set (can't hover over a spinner and use the scroll wheel alone to change the value, being one example).

Of course, I don't really advertise GIMP in my classes, but I do give extra credit to students who are willing to give it a try and write a review (they can also choose to try other software, like Aviary).

Anyway, it's nice of Adobe to keep improving Photoshop, but it's amazing how many millions of dollars have gone into this software, and it is still getting a bad rep for tons of crashes, expensive third-party plugins, weird bugs, etc.

Guy (1)

teeloo (766817) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175672)

Funny how in that video of the John Knoll interview, you realize that one of the people filming is actually Guy Kawasaki. Well, at least that's funny to me anyway.

Stupid editor mistakes (3, Insightful)

Dun Malg (230075) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175718)

In February of 1990, Adobe 1.0 was released.

You'd think that in an article on Photoshop, they wouldn't make the irritating novice mistake of conflating "Adobe" (the company) with "Photoshop" (the product). I expect this from the idiots where I work, where complaints of "my Adobe isn't working!" are common, but from them?

Or should we say... (4, Funny)

zoom-ping (905112) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175746)

Twenty years of lens flare.

What version started requiring a mortgage? (3, Insightful)

syousef (465911) | more than 4 years ago | (#31175990)

A full version of Photoshop CS4 costs more than a cheap second hand car. Elements is cheaper but crippled in ways that make it much less useful even for a casual amateur. You use to be able to get around those restrictions up to Elements 2.0. Now Elements is a very different piece of software (ironically with some unique features of its own). Photoshop is wonderful, but it's a pity it's either inaccessible or pirated for a great many people. It's probably more pirated than Windows.

So are the Knoll's fantastically wealthy? (1)

fprintf (82740) | more than 4 years ago | (#31176092)

With all the "brilliance" that the article refers to in Photoshop that was contributed by the Knoll family, are they fantastically wealthy? They basically created an industry segment all by themselves, one that is very robust to this day. I would hope they were suitably rewarded, though all of them are working in essentially the same places/jobs that they were 20 years ago! Do they work for fun or do they need to work for money?

mod 30wn (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31176264)

own lube, beverage, Unlees you can work progrees. In 1992,
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