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Two Scoops of Buzz

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the is-this-over-yet dept.

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Lots of Buzz buzz is still running through the internets yet, so here's a bit more of it, just in case you aren't burnt out yet. Google has added a one-button disable option to totally remove the system from Gmail. I'm sure someone there sure wishes that had been on by default. This is partially in response to a class action complaint and follows earlier cleanup efforts as well as an apology for auto-follow. Since there is no Facebook interaction, I still wonder what traction they will get. But maybe this means the end of Twitter.

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Google Buzz? (2, Funny)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | more than 4 years ago | (#31186642)

I just ignore the bugger. No need for me to nuke. Unless Google has added really cool special effects.

Aardvark (1)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#31186836)

Unless Google has added really cool special effects.

The most notable bell/whistle (aside from smoove integration with GMail) is Aardvark. I posted about my experiences with it a couple days ago [slashdot.org] and have since answered more questions. My interactions with the people have been surprisingly pleasant and positive ... and surprisingly helpful! My interactions with the chat bot (aardvark-g201) have been frustrating at best. AI is in a sorry state if this is what they have to offer me. It's basically like trying to interact with a chat bot that offers you shell-like controls ('more', 'try', 'pass', etc). And you're supposed to achieve conversational results from those controls!

I will say that I don't know what I'm getting out of it other than allowing Google to know more about me and helping people. It doesn't offer much more than Yahoo Answers or Wikianswers. I get a lot of auto "thanks!" replies on Aardvark and will more than likely eventually gravitate back to Wikipedia where my time invested disseminating knowledge probably goes a little further in the grand scheme of things.

That said, Buzz has a long ways to go before it even approaches Facebook or puts a dent in Twitter. Any integration to/from Facebook will have to be entirely Google's effort [slashdot.org].

Re:Aardvark (4, Informative)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187686)

I don't have any problem with Buzz showing up. I run the 'older version' of Gmail...

If you are on the newest version, just scroll to the bottom of the screen and click older version. This is not the HTML only version, but the one just before the new interface upgrade. I find it responsive, less cluttered...and no buzz.

First! (0)

saisuman (1041662) | more than 4 years ago | (#31186648)

How was twitter going to make money anyway?

End of twitter? not likely... (3, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 4 years ago | (#31186656)

Twitter's power is that you dont have to go there to use it or update it. I've got 90,000,000 twitter apps to choose from on EVERY platform. Hell even my home automation gear from crestron has twitter interoperability.

Twitter has critical mass and support on everything.. Buzz has none of that currently.

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (2, Insightful)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | more than 4 years ago | (#31186690)

Not to mention there's less motivation to go to a new social network when there are existing ones already set up with many people using it. I highly doubt Google can go far here.

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (5, Insightful)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 4 years ago | (#31186772)

Yeah, Google didn't stand a chance against the likes of Hotmail and Yahoo Mail, their spunky little upstart 'gmail' thing took forEVER just to get out of beta! Can't say that anyone was really attracted to it, what with all the established options out there. Who will take it seriously?!!

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (1)

Phiu-x (513322) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187316)

Every casual user I know still use hotmail. I don't think Gmail is THAT important to them. Buzz won't ever reach Twitter's proportion. Google is geek/power user oriented.

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187372)

You forgot the "LAME!!!" ending. In the spirit of the Olympics, we'll have to deduct a point from your final moderation score for that gaff.

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31187996)

That's because they marketed the the storage capacity of the gmail inbox with a shared-potential model instead of the split-up-evenly one like hotmail etc. and effectively had a better offer? I don't even know what the Buzz is all about but they sure have the buzz.

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (2, Interesting)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#31186886)

Not to mention there's less motivation to go to a new social network when there are existing ones already set up with many people using it. I highly doubt Google can go far here.

Eh thats what people thought with MySpace - but look at Facebook now.

Google, being the power house that it is, could easily build the apps and operability that Twitter has. Except for ONE snag:

I think the biggest thing holding it back will be its competitors. Given that Google has broken into the Smartphone market with the Droid and all that - I doubt Apple is going to approve any apps that let you update your Buzz.

You can make Buzz a billion times better than twitter and implement new features, but if the iPhone holds a reasonable market share, and the iPhone doesn't let you update it, it's not likely to take off.

Inversely - if somehow this DOES become more popular, an odd occurence I couldn't see happening, iPhone sales could drop unless they allow an App for Buzz.

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (0, Flamebait)

WinterSolstice (223271) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187024)

Google, being the power house that it is, could easily build the apps and operability that Twitter has.

Oh please, no - the apps and all that crap are why I ditched twitter and facebook and the rest. No more freaking retarded data mining nuisance apps!

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (1)

gauauu (649169) | more than 4 years ago | (#31188344)

Google, being the power house that it is, could easily build the apps and operability that Twitter has.

Oh please, no - the apps and all that crap are why I ditched twitter and facebook and the rest. No more freaking retarded data mining nuisance apps!

Who modded this up? The apps he's talking about are client applications that interface with the twitter service. Not the stupid facebook games that you're referring to.

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31187214)

you're a fucking retard. There are already 2 buzz apps on the iphone appstore.

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187288)

Hey, I don't have an Iphone so I wouldn't bother to check. But then that just means Buzz has headroom to grow bigger than twitter.

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31187418)

Your a fucking loser... there are none for Nokia and the other 95,000 phones and devices yet.

only a raging festering dipshit like you thinks the iPhone is the entire world. :look at me I have an iphone woooooooo....: I'm so special with my iPhone! WoooooooooooOOOOoooo....:

What a loser.... Looooooser.... Hey everyone come over here and look at the loser!

HAHA Ugly iPhone humping loser!

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (1)

N1AK (864906) | more than 4 years ago | (#31188018)

I think the biggest thing holding it back will be its competitors. Given that Google has broken into the Smartphone market with the Droid and all that - I doubt Apple is going to approve any apps that let you update your Buzz.

You think Apple are going to combat the Google Droid by intentionally blocking the ability of the iPhone to do something people who buy it may want? If I was Apple I would want to ensure that updating Buzz on the iPhone was better than doing it on the Droid ;)

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (3, Interesting)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 4 years ago | (#31188052)

Google, being the power house that it is, could easily build the apps and operability that Twitter has. Except for ONE snag:

Google's notoriously short attention span.

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (2, Interesting)

Machtyn (759119) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187040)

I've seen this facebook group that states they are a group of people who are going to drop Facebook once it starts charging $2.95 per month to use it. I don't know if there is anything to this, but if Fb starts to charge for use, then Buzz will have all sorts of traction.

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (1)

swb (14022) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187106)

Most people I know would drop it if it wasn't free. I've only used it for a year and I'm already kind of over it.

I'd guess that they would start charging the for-profit users first, then some of the groups, and so on.

But they really rely on the network effect, and anything that causes them to lose users will have a cascading effect as people quit using it.

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (1)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187330)

"once it starts charging $2.95 per month to use it" FUD or hilarious. If Facebook charged $1 once it would be gone in a matter of hours.

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187464)

That group (and all of the similar groups) is basically a bunch of idiots that fell victim to a rumor. Congratulations on falling for it along with them.

As other posters have said, charging for Facebook, even a tiny amount, would instakill it. Look at what Pay-to-Play did to the online game Planetarion back around 2002-2003...

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187434)

I'm fairly positive this is why they had autofollow. This leverages existing social networks to "jumpstart" a new one.

I don't get why autofollow was so bad - you only got autofollowed when you created your account, and at that point, you have no content on your feed. What's the big deal? The people following you see zilch until you post some content to Buzz - if you don't want someone seeing that update, block/remove them from your followers before you start using Buzz.

Gmail was able to take on the likes of Hotmal and Yahoo Mail because it was usually pretty easy to get your contacts list into and out of most email systems. Thus, you could easily leverage existing social networks (for email, your addressbook) in GMail.

For a more integrated social network, it's a lot harder to migrate that existing network you have. Google already had one in the form of your Google Talk chat contacts.

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (1)

tftp (111690) | more than 4 years ago | (#31188322)

I don't get why autofollow was so bad - you only got autofollowed when you created your account, and at that point, you have no content on your feed. What's the big deal?

Indeed, when tens of millions of people suddenly find a new software in their familiar email client they instantly know all there is to know how it works and what to do and what not to do. Even though none of that was explained to them. One of my friends, who also has a Gmail account, posted a test Buzz, and lots of people saw it (and me, before I disabled the sorry thing.)

Google already had one in the form of your Google Talk chat contacts.

There is quite a difference between sending a chat message to one selected contact and between sending a message to all contacts.

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (3, Interesting)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 4 years ago | (#31186820)

No, Buzz has something better... Interoperability with -every- site out there. If the site has an RSS feed for your updates, you can bring them into Buzz really easily. If it doesn't, the site can choose to integrate more directly with Buzz.

The only thing I've found lacking in Buzz is the ability to find and follow random people. With twitter, when I'm learning Japanese, I can watch the live twitter global feed and find people posting interesting things in Japanese and follow them. Buzz doesn't have that... Yet.

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (3, Insightful)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 4 years ago | (#31186858)

And all Google has to do is create a unique Buzz email address to send updates to (like Facebook has recently done), and you get instant support on any platform capable of sending email.

When Facebook came out with the unique email address to upload images and update status, I dumped my Blackberry Facebook app and I just use email now. So at this point, switching to Buzz would be a matter of changing the email address my pictures and updates go to.

This would make new Buzz apps for platforms trivial to implement.

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31187010)

Was there all along:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=171463
"You can post Buzz by sending an email to buzz@gmail.com (you can share photos and text this way). In order to make this work, though, you'll need to send the email from the Gmail address you want to be connected to the post (e.g. which name will appear with your post)."

Buzz by email (2, Informative)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 4 years ago | (#31188140)

And all Google has to do is create a unique Buzz email address to send updates to (like Facebook has recently done), and you get instant support on any platform capable of sending email.

You can post Buzz by email to buzz@gmail.com from your gmail account. So as long as your gmail account is setup in your mail client, this is in place now.

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (1)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187094)

Buzz uses Twitter as a data feed. This is convenient for Buzz, but isn't gonna make Twitter disappear any time soon.

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187142)

Buzz doesn't support Blackberry* yet. Not everyone has a Android or iPhone. So I would say that until The Google decides to support Blackberry with a native app, then there is no option but to ignore it.

*Appearently Opera on BB runs the Javascript needed, but it is a hack/cludge to d/l Opera and bypass all the warnings needed to BUZZ.

** I wonder if we're gonna call people who "Buzz" .... wait for it ... Buzzards ;)

Re:End of twitter? not likely... (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187590)

Shhh... Just all act like Twitter is dying anyway, and hope the rumor will catch enough fire to get messages on Twitter going on. Until they either die in a massive flamewar, or enough arguments come up so that most Twitterers will enter our reality and start to hate Twitter. (Which also means its dead.)

It’s the information wars. You are an Internet veteran. Act like one. :)

Twitter will die, because even the tiniest flaws will become huge unfathomable mountains of madness, if you give them time to grow. Let’s throw out some seeds. ^^

might turn out to have been smart (5, Interesting)

Trepidity (597) | more than 4 years ago | (#31186672)

While a lot of people are using this fiasco as evidence that Google's a bunch of techies who don't understand users, I can't really believe that it was totally unforseen and accidental. Google made a conscious decision to leverage their existing social graph of webmail users by, as automatically as possible, turning it into an actual social-network graph. If they hadn't done that, Buzz would probably not have jump-started very quickly, but now it has a huge built-in userbase. Even if a bunch of people disable it now, they're probably still way ahead in terms of total users than where they would've been if they had played nice.

So may turn out they did know what they were doing, at least from a business perspective.

Re:might turn out to have been smart (4, Insightful)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | more than 4 years ago | (#31186826)

While a lot of people are using this fiasco as evidence that Google's a bunch of techies who don't understand users, I can't really believe that it was totally unforseen and accidental.

At best, I view this as more evidence that Google isn't mature enough to be the 800 Lb gorilla of the Internet.

At worse, I see this as evidence that Google can be just as much as a monopoly threat as Microsoft was on the PC.

Re:might turn out to have been smart (1, Insightful)

dfxm (1586027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187614)

While a lot of people are using this fiasco as evidence that Google's a bunch of techies who don't understand users, I can't really believe that it was totally unforseen and accidental.

At best, I view this as more evidence that Google isn't mature enough to be the 800 Lb gorilla of the Internet.

At worse, I see this as evidence that Google can be just as much as a monopoly threat as Microsoft was on the PC.

At best, Google is making me follow the people I want to - i.e. the people I send e-mail to & chat with regularly anyway.

At worst, I click unfollow and all is right in the world.

I think people don't get the point of social networking. It doesn't work if everything is private. That's neither social nor networking.

Re:might turn out to have been smart (2, Interesting)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 4 years ago | (#31186838)

Actually, I think it -would- have. Have you seen the clamor for Google invites? Any time a new service comes out, even if it's going to be meh, people go nuts to get invites. Google Wave, for instance... Does anyone actually still use that? It was all the rage when nobody had invites.

Re:might turn out to have been smart (2)

xirusmom (815129) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187318)

Yes. I do . Google wave is great for writing papers and for collaborative projects.
Simple enough that you can get projects started quickly with a bunch of people who never used it before.

Re:might turn out to have been smart (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187512)

Problem was that the invites came out too slowly. People would often get an invite and have one friend that used it, while the rest of their friends didn't.

They'd stop using it, and then their friends would join it without even knowing they were a user. I know I haven't logged into Wave in ages because no one I knew used it, and it didn't autoleverage my existing Google social networks like Buzz does.

Re:might turn out to have been smart (2, Insightful)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187322)

Indeed. And leveraging Gmail shows they've learned that when critical mass is required, their usual method of using limited invites doesn't work. That, and Google's notoriously short attention span, is what killed Orkut.
 
Facebook succeeded because they built a critical mass in a target rich environment (college students) and when enough students had graduated to form a critical mass in the 'real world', they opened it up to all comers. Twitter succeeded because it melded the 'pure' version of Facebook (status updates) with the world of text messages.
 
For Buzz there is no obvious demographic or niche for Google to exploit, but Google has what no other 'startup' social networking site had - an existing massive base of installed users who've already shown a predilection to use their (Google's) services. That they bungled their opening moves in no way invalidates their basic strategy.

It will be a glorious thing... (-1, Offtopic)

nhytefall (1415959) | more than 4 years ago | (#31186674)

if Google Buzz can kill Twitter. Seriously.
Though I do wonder what Ashton Kutcher will do... hopefully, crawl back in his hole and never come out again.
Twitter is a plague that must be killed. If anyone can do it, Google can.

Re:It will be a glorious thing... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31186730)

Though I do wonder what Ashton Kutcher will do...

I'm guessing it would be the same thing he does every night ... fuck Demi Moore.

Re:It will be a glorious thing... (0, Offtopic)

Spy Handler (822350) | more than 4 years ago | (#31186852)

I'm guessing it would be the same thing he does every night ... fuck Demi Moore.

Ewww

Re:It will be a glorious thing... (1)

Darth Sdlavrot (1614139) | more than 4 years ago | (#31186924)

I'm guessing it would be the same thing he does every night ... fuck Demi Moore.

Ewww

Did she have a facelift? Her pic on IMDB looks like she's a space alien from Roswell.

Oh wait....

The end of twitter? Hardly (1, Interesting)

pmontra (738736) | more than 4 years ago | (#31186738)

I've got a google account for using analytics and other stuff but I'm not using it for email. That means that I seldom need to log into google and in turn that means that buzz basically doesn't exist for me. I don't think I'm alone. Furthermore I can search tweets even without logging it to twitter. That's much more convenient.

Re:The end of twitter? Hardly (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187676)

Furthermore I can search tweets even without logging it to twitter. That's much more convenient.

You can search buzz (and tweets, and some other stuff) without logging into Buzz, too; all you have to do is use Google's main search engine; the live-updating "latest results for..." section includes tweets, buzz, etc.

Convenience is the biggest factor (2, Insightful)

phormalitize (1748504) | more than 4 years ago | (#31186908)

The strength of buzz is it's too convenient NOT to use. I think a lot of people prefer facebook in general, but when they've got buzz there all ready to go it's easy to just throw something out there. It's also a solid alternative for people who for various reasons can't or don't log into facebook from work.

Re:Convenience is the biggest factor (1)

mackil (668039) | more than 4 years ago | (#31188316)

The strength of buzz is it's too convenient NOT to use. It's also a solid alternative for people who for various reasons can't or don't log into facebook from work.

That's it exactly. I don't use either Facebook or Twitter just because of the hassle and my own time constraints. I do use Gmail however, and have loved Buzz as a quick and easy way to see what all my friends and family are up to. I don't need to log into anything else, it's all right there with my email. I may be in the minority, but I love Buzz for the convenience alone.

End of Twitter? I don't think SO (2, Insightful)

viraltus (1102365) | more than 4 years ago | (#31186912)

it's 140 characters limit is great to avoid loads of bullshit. One of the greatest things of twitter is precisely that; it forces you to go to the point.

Re:End of Twitter? I don't think SO (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187080)

it's 140 characters limit is great to avoid loads of bullshit.

Wait, I thought we were talking about Twitter? Isn't bullshit mostly what it comprises of?

One of the greatest things of twitter is precisely that; it forces you to go to the point.

Have you even seen Twitter? "Getting to the point" is exactly the opposite of what people do. Page after page of "retweets" and textual back-slapping.

Re:End of Twitter? I don't think SO (1)

viraltus (1102365) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187144)

>Wait, I thought we were talking about Twitter? Isn't bullshit mostly what it comprises of?

I don't complain about bullshit, just about LOADS of it.

>Have you even seen Twitter? "Getting to the point" is exactly the opposite of what people do. Page after page of "retweets" and textual back-slapping.

Yes. Retweeting is the fastest way to go to the point when I consider something is interesting for some reason, and anyway, any problem you might feel in twitter multiply it by 100 in Buzz or Facebook plus pictures and video of it.

Re:End of Twitter? I don't think SO (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187574)

I don't complain about bullshit, just about LOADS of it.

Yes, and we're talking about Twitter. QED.

Yes. Retweeting is the fastest way to go to the point when I consider something is interesting for some reason,

So, a fast method for spreading loads of bullshit.

Re:End of Twitter? I don't think SO (2, Funny)

jadin (65295) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187098)

it's 140 characters limit is great to avoid loads of bullshit. One of the greatest things of twitter is precisely that; it forces you to go

Re:End of Twitter? I don't think SO (2, Insightful)

lochnessie (1291986) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187134)

from most of the tweets I've seen, 140 characters is plenty of room for bullshit.

Re:End of Twitter? I don't think SO (1)

bl8n8r (649187) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187216)

> it forces you to go to the point.

I've yet to see the majority of twitter content to be relevant to anyone but the author. Until the percentage of useful twitter content gets above 5%, getting to the point is pointless.

things holding back buzz (1)

msbmsb (871828) | more than 4 years ago | (#31186946)

At the moment, there are a number of things holding buzz back from widespread usage:

* buzz has a userbase /ceiling/: the number of gmail users; the userbase may be large but it's closed and entry is a large hurdle for many
* complicating the adoption is the number of those gmail users whose friends also use gmail and would be likely to use buzz, lowering the actual ceiling further
* when people see that not many of their friends are using it, but are/have been using other services, that makes buzz adoption difficult

there are advantages to buzz of course (mobile/geo-loc/post length/etc), but the question remains whether those advantages will eventually outweigh the challenges to more widespread adoption.

Re:things holding back buzz (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187118)

* buzz has a userbase /ceiling/: the number of gmail users; the userbase may be large but it's closed and entry is a large hurdle for many

Gmail is closed? Since when? It's just as easy to sign up for as Facebook or any of the others, so how is entry a hurdle?

Re:things holding back buzz (2, Insightful)

msbmsb (871828) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187244)

Not 'closed' in that sense. Closed as in finite (in comparison to the other services where anyone with any email address can use). To be able to use buzz, one needs to sign up for another email account, something not many people will do easily.

Re:things holding back buzz (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187528)

Closed as in finite (in comparison to the other services where anyone with any email address can use).

Your meaning is a bit opaque. You can sign up for gmail even if you have other email addresses, it doesn't cancel your existing email accounts.

To be able to use buzz, one needs to sign up for another email account, something not many people will do easily.

Why would they be less willing to do that than sign up for Facebook or whatever? I also don't see any evidence suggesting that people are reluctant to sign up for email accounts - look how successful hotmail was, for example. People will sign up for just about anything you put a username and password on.

username/password (1)

jDeepbeep (913892) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187752)

People will sign up for just about anything you put a username and password on.

Often with the same password too. :p

Re:things holding back buzz (1)

jDeepbeep (913892) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187378)

Gmail is closed? Since when? It's just as easy to sign up for as Facebook or any of the others, so how is entry a hurdle?

Early '07 is when it opened its doors to the unwashed masses, iirc.

Tech media backlash (1)

eparker05 (1738842) | more than 4 years ago | (#31186964)

Google has been the darling of the tech media for a long time now, but for the last few years, more and more media companies see Google as a competitor, or see google as unfairly profiting off their publications. I think this whole fiasco is overblown by journalists who have a bone to pick with the company. Any change to a popular product like gmail is going to bother some people and offend others and all the stories seem to focus on this.

Don't get me wrong, I think there are some serious issues with buzz, especially with it's added noise to the social networking scene, but most of the bad press has to do with the 'privacy issue'. Honestly, when Myspace launched every profile was public and most facebook friend lists are still public. Where is the outrage there?

Not social yet. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31186978)

The current so-called social networks and websites are not truly social. They offer a level of interaction, but it is muted by their strict adherence to selfishness. They still believe they can own your social graph.

Until websites like Facebook and services like Buzz truly offer a federated protocol they are not social. They are barely even part of the internet until they fulfill the internet's implicit social contract that has existed from the start: anyone with the resources can throw up a service and participate. That's true for websites, mail servers, and all of the various protocols that sit atop of the IP.

I recognize that Google is building another layer above HTTP, but that doesn't except them from the contract. They seem to have some understanding of that fact, where they chose to make Wave federated. I expect them to highly integrate Buzz with Wave, and in doing so they will be pushing for a truly social service. But in the meantime it's not there yet.

on a related note... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31187004)

if you have google and youtube you might want to check your youtube privacy settings. even if you've never uploaded a video youtube automatically creates a youtube homepage for you that has a lot of information about your viewing habits. you can't get rid of the page, but you can use your privacy settings to disable the various feeds to it.

Still not quite sure why twitter is necessary (3, Insightful)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187012)

What exactly is twitter doing that couldn't be done with existing blogging sites that have email updates? Nothing says you have to write 2k words on your blog post, you could write 120 characters on any blogging site and do the same thing.

I do like the idea of pushing towards more open standards. Email is a standard everyone can agree with, everyone can interoperate with. I can send mail from my phone to someone on a mac or a pc or linux. I can swap out clients if I find one I like more. I do like the idea of transitioning these sorts of services to protocols and then you're selecting the provider you want based on how that protocol is implemented.

I see value in what Facebook does even though I dislike the way it's implemented, similar to the way I like what Exchange/Outlook is trying to do while hating everything about the way it's actually done.

There's been talk about trying to open up the silos represented by these applications. You have your data in twitter, you have your data in facebook, you have your data in google, and there's lots of duplication across each. Facebook will talk to google to import your data but that's a bit clunky and is still just putting your stuff in another silo. I like the idea of more interoperability but am also concerned about the potential for holes. I don't mind if my facebook gets hacked because there's nothing important on there, nothing personal or embarrassing. I don't put anything there I wouldn't mind seeing on the front page of the new york times. But if facebook had tight access to my gmail, suddenly a hole in facebook could become a hole in gmail. Not so good.

Re:Still not quite sure why twitter is necessary (1)

eparker05 (1738842) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187174)

The appeal of twitter is the EVERY update is small. When reading a newspaper, most people like to read the headlines before they decide to read the story; this concept is why twitter is popular.

Blogs are great and all, but it is hard to follow many blogs at once without getting information overload. This is where twitter comes in.

Re:Still not quite sure why twitter is necessary (1)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187702)

Twitter - like headlines without the article.

Maybe it'd work for the /. crowd that doesn't RTFA. But what it does is it enforces shallow interaction at all points. Shallow interactions leave people feeling they know more than they do. Like republican's not believing in global warming because its snowing outside. Enforced ignorance sucks.

Brevity may yet be the soul of wit but Shakespeare meant to limit tediousness, not to day to day limit one's self to 140 characters; "tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes". In fact, his example of brevity is 193 characters long, further delving into Hamlet's madness after the initial statement...

Re:Still not quite sure why twitter is necessary (1)

city (1189205) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187968)

Nothing says you have to write 2k words on your blog post, you could write 120 characters on any blogging site and do the same thing.

New research shows that anyone with the compulsion to post to a blog is physically unable to resist the urge to write anyting less than a 2,000 word bloviation. Twitter is to a blogger as a Nicoderme patch is to smoker.

Re:Still not quite sure why twitter is necessary (1)

dfxm (1586027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187988)

What exactly is twitter doing that couldn't be done with existing blogging sites that have email updates?

You can send and receive Tweets from your (non-smart) phone without needing a data plan.

That's why Twitter has the character limit (it is the same limit for SMS messages). That's why people started using and continue to use Twitter.

no problem for google apps users (1)

notnAP (846325) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187014)

Buzz is no problem for me, unless I decide I WANT to add yet another email to my list to use it.
ETA on implementing it for Google Apps users is months away, and there may be questions on whether it is even implemented at all for those on the free plan.
I consider this odd. Google Apps users tend to either be schools/small biz, or geeks.
Sure, Schools and Small Biz may not provide Google with much traction for Buzz, but geeks are more likely to, especially geeks who obviously like Google Stuff (tm).
And yet, those are more likely to be the ones hitching a free ride.
Things that make you go hmmmm....

I like it (1)

musicalmicah (1532521) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187034)

I'm using it with my friends and it feels pretty nice. Privacy options are decently understandable, relatively granular, and it's not all that invasive. It's an excellent way to start a conversation with a select group of individuals you know, without the 140-character limitations of Twitter or the OMG APPLICATIONS environment of Facebook. Moreover, TONS of people already have gmail accounts so it's not much work to get people to use it.

Re:I like it (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187222)

Moreover, TONS of people already have gmail accounts so it's not much work to get people to use it.

Except for people actively avoiding Google accounts.

Re:I like it (1)

musicalmicah (1532521) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187254)

Which, incidentally, doesn't include any of the people I know that like to converse over social networks! No worries.

Re:I like it (1)

dfxm (1586027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187730)

If people are actively avoiding Google accounts, why wouldn't they also be actively avoiding accounts on social networking sites? I assume the reason for avoiding Google is that people don't like the fact that stores stores personal data. Name one social networking site that doesn't.

The point being that people who avoid Google probably wouldn't be using Buzz anyway (because they wouldn't want a central database storing the fact that they shared certain content).

Does anybody know what EXACTLY was leaked? (1)

datasauce (1748540) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187108)

Before Buzz was changed to suggest, instead of automatically follow, what information was jeopardized? Could somebody see your other contacts, your contacts email addresses, your location? I am not sure I understand what was actually leaked. I noticed in one of the links it says some woman's ex husband was able to find her location through Buzz. How is that possible and how could Google be so stupid! Someone please elaborate.

Re:Does anybody know what EXACTLY was leaked? (1)

EncryptedSoldier (1278816) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187252)

It doesn't seem to say anywhere. I am pretty sure it said Picasa somewhere but I think it leaked more.

Re:Does anybody know what EXACTLY was leaked? (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187612)

The only thing I can think of is that MAYBE Buzz would start auto-updating before you first logged into it?

It didn't retroactively update from any of the autolinked sources for me, I know that. Buzz did autolink to some content sources, but despite that (although it could have been lack of updates from said sources), when I first logged in I had no outgoing "buzzes". Thus it didn't matter that a bunch of people were autofollowing me and I was following them.

Re:Does anybody know what EXACTLY was leaked? (2, Informative)

dfxm (1586027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187802)

If you had your Google Profile set up to be public, then people could find the information that is in the Google Profile. Buzz just gave people a link directly to your Google Profile, more or less. What it all comes down to: if you don't want the public to know something, don't post it in a public profile.

Convergence (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187136)

One of the worrying things in buzz is that you can use it as a blogging engine. You can search for public buzzes that have some text you are interested into, you can comment on them (no registration required, more than being able to participate in buzz) and from there follow the original poster if you want, is not just a short tweet, but a full entry. Same for photos, videos, etc. It blends communities, with blogs, with mails. But all with just google ads. Probably is more or less the same with facebook, and if well looks a bit more open to internet, still could end being a walled garden too.

Don't Forget The Third Scoop of Buzz !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31187192)

N.S.A. [google.com].

I hope this helps with your communications encryptions.

Yours In Minsk,
K. Trout

Do No [intentional] Harm--NPD walks the line (1)

jnull (639971) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187194)

From a go-to-market POV, getting "buzz" and an initial user-base is the most difficult part of social network-based apps. To the old adage: ask for forgiveness, not permission. Personally, I think it is just fun for people to hate on Google (the big institution)... heck the Avant-garde of hatin' big business is even hatin' on Apple! Now that I just find funny... reminds me of that South Park "Smug" episode. I digress. Google will always struggle with using its data and users to its advantage without losing them. To Google or any other company (Slashdot included), we're all just data points. There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those who get that and those who don't. --

The privacy problem (2, Informative)

wiredog (43288) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187248)

Was why I didn't use Buzz. Made sure it was disabled as soon as I could. I don't want some spheres of my life intersecting.

An example [techcrunch.com] of what can go wrong, and generate big lawsuits in the process of failing. [google.com]

I use my private Gmail account to email my boyfriend and my mother.

There's a BIG drop-off between them and my other "most frequent" contacts.

You know who my third most frequent contact is?

My abusive ex-husband.

Which is why it's SO EXCITING, Google, that you AUTOMATICALLY allowed all my most frequent contacts access to my Reader, including all the comments I've made on Reader items, usually shared with my boyfriend, who I had NO REASON to hide my current location or workplace from, and never did.

Re:The privacy problem (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187670)

This doesn't make sense. Buzz didn't retroactively apply to linked content. I know Buzz autolinked a bunch of my associated content sources, but when I logged in, I had a "clean" Buzz slate.

Re:The privacy problem (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#31187788)

This is way off topic, but why in the hell would the stupid bimbo have any contact with an abusive ex at all?

Re:The privacy problem (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 4 years ago | (#31188050)

A kid requiring visitation rights or child support payments?

Alimony issues?

Not very long ex- and still going through legal wrangles.

Re:The privacy problem (1)

A coward on a mouse (238331) | more than 4 years ago | (#31188184)

Perhaps to handle shared business, like the kids, the divorce settlement, etc., etc.? Perhaps because she interacted with him so much before he was her ex-husband that he's still one of her top three most contacted contacts, and she can't or hasn't yet cut all contact with him due to remaining shared business? Also, abusive much yourself? Why in the hell would you feel a need to resort to such offensive characterizations?

I use gmail for (1)

Stan92057 (737634) | more than 4 years ago | (#31188082)

I use gmail for storage,thats was there claim to fame as web mail,free massive amount of storage and less intrusive ads. Why would i want to use google for anything social? there the masters of data collection.

Google Buzz + Google Reader (2, Interesting)

thetartanavenger (1052920) | more than 4 years ago | (#31188188)

Why oh why must they force the integration of Google Buzz and Google Reader? I use google reader every day, often share things with various contacts, and read things that have been shared with me. It was awesome. Then Google Buzz came along and forced integration of the two. I don't want Google Buzz but if I go ahead and remove it, it'll remove the sharing abilities I had within Google Reader. I understand the possible benefit of having the two connected, by choice, but without choice Google is simply screwing up one of their actually decent products!

Buzz for Domain Apps (1)

AP31R0N (723649) | more than 4 years ago | (#31188330)

i use GMail through GAfYD. 90% of the Googleverse stuff works there. It's that last 10% that's driving me nuts. It doesn't support chat by itself (your domain host has to allow it, mine does not). It doesn't support Buzz.

So i have kept my ol' trusty GMail account just for those.

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