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Researchers Say Women Secretly Desire Hairy Geeks

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the do-you-want-the-moustache-on-or-off? dept.

Idle 130

jasper_amsterdam writes "The Daily Mail has a story about a study looking into women's preference for men. More specifically, about how women say they want one kind of man, but really want another. From the article: 'Most women claim to be attracted to tall, dark and handsome men, but a new study has revealed that facial stubble and a geeky personality are their biggest secret turn-ons. Despite complaining that it looks unkempt and feels rough to touch, the unshaven look on a man is actually a turn-on for 41 per cent of women. A slightly geeky personality came second, proving that women really do like a guy who knows their stuff when it comes to technology. A hairy chest was voted third, followed by a man who loves to read or cries at a soppy film.'"

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My research (2, Insightful)

Some.Net(Guy) (1733146) | more than 4 years ago | (#31204634)

has proven the opposite to be true. What kind of women are they interviewing?

Re:My research (5, Insightful)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 4 years ago | (#31204696)

The research mentioned in the article isn't really research at all. It's based on a poll, which would assume that women know what they want. This is not a good assumption.

Re:My research (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31206420)

The research mentioned in the article isn't really research at all. It's based on a poll, which would assume that women know what they want. This is not a good assumption.

The research mentioned in the article isn't really research at all. It's based on a poll, which would assume that women know what they want. This is not a good assumption.

I know what women want. Shoes.

Re:My research (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31206452)

+1 million points to you, MrEricSir.

Re:My research (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31207448)

Even better: They asked women what they want in men, and found out that what women say they want in men isn't what women say they want in men. A great moment in science.

Re:My research (2, Funny)

atamido (1020905) | more than 4 years ago | (#31207790)

It's based on a poll, which would assume that women know what they want. This is not a good assumption.

If there has ever been proof that Slashdot needs a special >5 score, it is this statement.

Re:My research (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31207964)

Heaps of information is collected via surveys, are you suggesting all of this information is wrong, because it's based on a survey?

You don't know the method undertaken or what statistical analysis was applied to the results, so you can't say much on it. If you want to scrutinise it, find the original publishing, and go for it.

This is STILL research, regardless if it meets YOUR "standards".

Re:My research (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 4 years ago | (#31208514)

My "standards" for internet-based polls are this: one option has to mention CowbowNeal. Otherwise the results are meaningless.

Re:My research (2, Insightful)

johny42 (1087173) | more than 4 years ago | (#31209024)

The research mentioned in the article isn't really research at all. It's based on a poll, which would assume that women know what they want. This is not a good assumption.

Even TFA seems to agree with you:

More specifically, about how women say they want one kind of man, but really want another.

So they actually assumed that women don't say what they want and then published a research based on what they said? Good job!

Re:My research (4, Funny)

ukemike (956477) | more than 4 years ago | (#31204714)

Canadians.

Re:My research (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 4 years ago | (#31205290)

As a Canadian and a somewhat hairy geek, I can attest the following:

1. No.

I've got an outgoing personality, and I'm in excellent physical shape (I was at the gym 1 hour and 26 minutes ago ;) ). I'm employed (basically for my intellect alone) and I'm good with kids. Outside of work, I bike, SCUBA dive, and play a musical instrument.

My wife has basically told me to never touch her.

Re:My research (1)

bertoelcon (1557907) | more than 4 years ago | (#31205494)

My wife has basically told me to never touch her.

Was that before or after you got married? If it was before then you might have needed to think that through a little better.

Re:My research (3, Insightful)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | more than 4 years ago | (#31205672)

>My wife has basically told me to never touch her.

This is a no-brainer. Get a new wife. Seriously. Life is too short. Or is she OK with you having a GF on the side?

Re:My research (2, Interesting)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 4 years ago | (#31206098)

Honestly Kozar, I'm not even sure if I still love her anymore. I feel like I'm always under attack for something. Last night she said that she didn't want to hang out with me and I said I'd clean. Once the cleaning was well underway, she was upset that she didn't get to spend any fun time with anyone all day. (This was after saying that she didn't want to do the couples councelling homework because she was in a bad mood and it would go badly for me.) I'm giving her a lot of slack because of her meds and some underlying medical issues, but I've just felt like she's taking all her stresses out on me. I don't feel much of anything for her -- love, hate, anger, compassion, or anything. I mean, I still care about her, but I don't think I'd be sad if she left.

You know what? I'm scared of the logistics and I don't know if I'm more afraid of the logistics or of losing her. I can't afford to buy another house or keep paying the mortgage if I'm not staying there. We've got two kids and I don't know how I'm supposed to give them a good example -- stick together or cut your losses when it seems hopeless? Maybe I'm more concerned with how the kids would react if we weren't together anymore.

It's been years since she's been interested in sex, and the dozen times a year for the last three years have been about the same as when I'm on my own. I haven't considered anything on the side, but she's convinced that I am having an affair. The morning after a family vacation, she said, "Are you stepping out on me?" "What? No, of course not." "Well, you would say that." I've lost a lot of weight, and she's basically the only one who hasn't noticed. (Hell, a strange girl at a bar grabbed my butt, which was the most touching I'd had in a long time.)

We're going to councelling, but it seems to be the two of them ganging up on me. I haven't been able to express my emotions for years -- biting my tongue instead of saying anything mean -- and they're both telling me that I'm disconnected from my emotions. I'm sad; she has depression. I had some heart palpitations; she had a year-long period. Whatever I bring up, it's always worse for her.

But then, her councellor (a different person than the couples therapist) told her that we were in a great relationship, about 8 months ago. Apparently that's all changed since then, and I've been a blank wall for the last ten plus years.

But then, she has supported me without hesitation through school, work... you know what, she didn't. She put up with it, but was always complaining that my marks weren't good enough or that I wasn't looking hard enough for work. The same with the weight loss (I weighed 250# when we met, and I'm 165# now). She hasn't been very happy about that either.

Although it sounds ridiculous to mention this online to a complete stranger, the two of us did meet online, long before it was trendy or even acceptable.

I know, tl;dr. That's why I didn't make this coherent. Where's that pesky copy editor that's been asking for freelance work?

Re:My research (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31206212)

It's fine, you probably needed to spit it out.

Re:My research (2, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 4 years ago | (#31206310)

Dude, bail. Seriously as someone who grew up with parents that stayed together "for the kids" my sister and I could NOT have been happier than when they finally decided to call it a day and divorce. They get along better now than they ever did when they were married, it is just so much better.

It took me years to figure out how to have a stable relationship and it wasn't nothing but me emulating my father, who was unhappy and cold and distant. there isn't any "fault" in these things and the fact that they are "ganging up on you" just shows that you are on a dead end street anyway.

Believe me, as someone who went through it, you aren't doing the kids any favors. Better to see you both move on and find happy loving relationships than to be watching an act put on for their sake. As someone who still struggles not to be a cold blooded bastard with my GF believe me I know of which I speak. A loveless relationship helps nobody, especially not the kids. So bail dude, it will hurt but in the long run you will both be happier and it will be better on the kids.

Re:My research (1)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | more than 4 years ago | (#31206490)

Beardo - That all sounds exactly like my situation about 5 years ago. It's tough and no easy way out, but I'm out of it, and life is hugely better. If you want to shoot me an email address to my nick on yahoo messenger, I'm happy to talk about it.

Re:My research (1)

TempestRose (1187397) | more than 4 years ago | (#31206688)

Dude, seriously, bail, take the pain, find someone else. I did. It was definitely worth it. Of course, I still don't get enough sex...

Re:My research (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 4 years ago | (#31206716)

I'm sad; she has depression.

The other parts aside, depression is largely treatable these days, if the patient is willing and she finds the right doctor. Don't love a doctor so much as to accept failure.

It's possible that many of the problems stem from this. Hard to say, but if this can be solved, then you have more information upon which to make a decision.

Re:My research (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31207152)

Have you been going to therapy, too? It's hard to tell from what you've written, but it is possible that your side of the equation could use a little balancing, too.

Stop biting your tongue, too. Preferably in a couple's counseling session. Lay it all out. At this point you don't have much to lose, and you might be surprised at what she didn't know about what is going on for you.

Re:My research (1)

drkim (1559875) | more than 4 years ago | (#31208476)

Don't try to 'fix' it man... bail now. you only get 1 life and you need to make it count. Bail now... Sorry

Re:My research (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31208550)

Wow. I feel for you man, I had a girlfriend like this and it was terrible. I can't say it was exactly like that, we obviously didn't have kids or a house or anything, but still. Damn. Bailing on that relationship was the best thing I have ever done.

Re:My research (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31204846)

Probably the female researchers doing the research.

Re:My research (3, Insightful)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 4 years ago | (#31204948)

Pretty much all women need a personality to go along with those attributes listed. Being smart and hairy while being otherwise uninteresting and unengaging isn't really going to get you very far with the ladies.

Re:My research (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31205366)

What kind of women have you met? :)

Re:My research (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31205926)

Your mom. 'Nuff said.

Re:My research (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31206576)

Who cares? The only question is where are they! I need names and numbers! Hairy geeks FTW!

Re:My research (1)

FatdogHaiku (978357) | more than 4 years ago | (#31207112)

What kind of women are they interviewing?

Imaginary.

Re:My research (1)

aquila.solo (1231830) | more than 4 years ago | (#31207468)

Well I'm pretty complex... I suppose it could work :-)

Re:My research (1)

aqk (844307) | more than 4 years ago | (#31208440)

What kind of women are they interviewing?

Chimpettes. Similar to Jivettes, except they don't chew gum.

Women don't know what they want (3, Funny)

MosX (773406) | more than 4 years ago | (#31204640)

So... women don't know what they want. I thought that was a well known fact.

Well fuck me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31204646)

I have all those traits and still remain single.

Re:Well fuck me. (3, Funny)

ukemike (956477) | more than 4 years ago | (#31204738)

No no it said a little bit geeky.

Re:Well fuck me. (2, Funny)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#31205028)

also it's hard to meet women when you wear a mask that says anonymous coward on your dates.

Re:Well fuck me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31205188)

Exactly, they're talking about people who can work a TiVo, has an iPhone with tens of apps, or maybe somebody with a HTPC, not somebody who would rather have a conversation about the open source initiative or the GPL. There's different levels of geek.

Re:Well fuck me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31206506)

I have calculated my geekness to six decimal places and the number is not large, yet when I show this work to females in bars they do not become visibly excited.

In other news... (2, Insightful)

jijacob (943393) | more than 4 years ago | (#31204652)

In other news, said researchers are hairy geeks that need evidence to prove they are sexually attractive at the bar.

I can't tell the Onion and Slashdot apart anymore! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31204664)

Seriously, this has me wondering. In my experience this is simply not true. Hairy? Maybe. Geeks? Umm, no.

Re:I can't tell the Onion and Slashdot apart anymo (1)

hackerman (1649305) | more than 4 years ago | (#31204858)

Up next, researchers discover healthy properties of cheese-dipped-nachos

survey was conducted by... (1)

milkmage (795746) | more than 4 years ago | (#31204680)

a bunch of hairy geeks?

This cracks me up (1)

Alexandra Erenhart (880036) | more than 4 years ago | (#31204732)

They keep doing stupid researches about men and women. What do they gain for this? We all know every particular man and woman have different tastes, and generalizing is wrong. Researches like this keeps stereotypes alive. Or create new ones. Bleh.

Re:This cracks me up (1)

plcurechax (247883) | more than 4 years ago | (#31205120)

So you're not familiar with the Daily Mail (UK), they actively promote the preservation of out dated stereotypes the best they can.

Re:This cracks me up (2, Funny)

Wraithlyn (133796) | more than 4 years ago | (#31205150)

Hey now, not ALL men and women have different tastes. Stop generalizing! ;)

Re:This cracks me up (1)

Alexandra Erenhart (880036) | more than 4 years ago | (#31205270)

hahaha indeed I was generalizing, how stupid of me! :P

Re:This cracks me up (1)

Aurisor (932566) | more than 4 years ago | (#31207850)

If you figure women out, you could get laid pretty much constantly...or so the theory goes.

Re:This cracks me up (1)

aqk (844307) | more than 4 years ago | (#31208474)

Hey, babe.
I haven't shaved in 3 days. Wanna conjugate?

I guess this means ... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31204752)

Richard Stallman is the new Brad Pitt.

Re:I guess this means ... (1)

Alexandra Erenhart (880036) | more than 4 years ago | (#31204844)

They day that happens I'm giving up on humankind :P

Re:I guess this means ... (2, Insightful)

bhsurfer (539137) | more than 4 years ago | (#31205234)

watching stallman playing pitt's part in "burn after reading" would be totally worth the price of admittance.

Re:I guess this means ... (1)

aqk (844307) | more than 4 years ago | (#31208504)

watching stallman playing pitt's part in "burn after reading" would be totally worth the price of admittance.

Particularly getting punched in the face by the somewhat less-than-hairy John Malkovich
...although I admit even the original punch was visually quite rewarding.

Re:I guess this means ... (1)

EnsilZah (575600) | more than 4 years ago | (#31207014)

Sort of looks like it's the other way around [bradpitt.ru] .

Uh yeah.... (1)

Srsen (413456) | more than 4 years ago | (#31204754)

....according to a team of hairy, geeky researchers. Nice try, guys.

Hm. I'm a non-hairy geek (1)

Grimbleton (1034446) | more than 4 years ago | (#31204824)

And the women love me.

Maybe it has nothing to do with hair.

Re:Hm. I'm a non-hairy geek (1)

OctaviusIII (969957) | more than 4 years ago | (#31205052)

It's a poll. So, the women actually do know what they want; they just won't admit it to anyone except a pollster.

Re:Hm. I'm a non-hairy geek (2, Funny)

Grimbleton (1034446) | more than 4 years ago | (#31205518)

I know the women love my pole.

um... (3, Insightful)

wisnoskij (1206448) | more than 4 years ago | (#31204828)

"the unshaven look on a man is actually a turn-on for 41 per cent of women."
Could that not mean that most (59%) actually dislike it?
Without some idea of how many dislike or are neutral for the unshaved look as well I do not see that statistic saying that women in general like unshaven men.

Re:um... (4, Informative)

Alexandra Erenhart (880036) | more than 4 years ago | (#31204866)

IMO unshaven does look sexy, but only LOOK. Don't go kissing that man. It's like rubbing sandpaper on your face. Ugh. It's either shaved or with a beard, but no in between!

Re:um... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31204922)

It only takes 3 min to shave once we get back to your place after the date. ;)

Re:um... (2, Informative)

at_slashdot (674436) | more than 4 years ago | (#31204944)

Mod parent up (she's a women).

Re:um... (1)

SteveFoerster (136027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31205496)

Mod parent up (she's a women).

I'm not sure an obsequious approach like that will work, but good luck!

Re:um... (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 4 years ago | (#31206426)

Bullshit, there are no women on the internet.

Re:um... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31208936)

http://xkcd.com/322/

Re:um... (1)

KazW (1136177) | more than 4 years ago | (#31208954)

Where's the "Tits or GTFO!" statement?

Re:um... (0)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 4 years ago | (#31205306)

How you doin'?

Obligatory XKCD reference...

Re:um... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31207544)

kinda like a workout at the Y?

Re:um... (1)

neosaurus (1621105) | more than 4 years ago | (#31204966)

Are you a tall, dark and handsome fellow who's obviously not happy with these findings?

Re:um... (1)

rafaelolg (1248814) | more than 4 years ago | (#31205130)

Actually, I am a tall, latin, handsome, hairy, geek and i am confused. Are or are not women more attracted to me? From my experience there is no such thing as "X attracts women more than Y".

Re:um... (1)

aqk (844307) | more than 4 years ago | (#31208528)

From my experience there is no such thing as "X attracts women more than Y".

Huh. Presumably you don't know much about genetics and/or lesbians.

Re:um... (1)

drkim (1559875) | more than 4 years ago | (#31208482)

...and the ancillary data:
"...the unshaven look on a woman is actually a turn-off for 99.998 per cent of men..."

Ouch! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31204854)

Who's pulling my leg?!

Hey, I feel that, stop it... stop it....

I'm a hairy geek, why aren't women secretly desiring me?

Re:Ouch! (1)

HikingStick (878216) | more than 4 years ago | (#31204968)

Take a look at the other geeks in your inner circle. They're dragging you down.

I checked the Calender, it isn't April 1st yet... (1)

PrairieFire (549023) | more than 4 years ago | (#31204934)

...but maybe the editors wanted an early start this year?

no wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31205078)

I'm tall, dark, handsome and a hairy geek!!! i'm so in!!!!!!

daily mail (3, Insightful)

Alinabi (464689) | more than 4 years ago | (#31205314)

Oh, yeah, the Daily Mail. The pinnacle of peer reviewed publishing, the hallmark of accuracy :-)

The key term here is "slightly geeky" . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31205332)

. . . not "slashdot-reading, ssh-using, kernel-compiling geeky," there is a difference.

Still doesn't help some of us. (1)

Maguscrowley (1291130) | more than 4 years ago | (#31205520)

While the occasional woman likes a geek, us rarer gay geeks tend to not catch the eye of our mostly trendy shallow ilk. While I think my "I failed the turing test" shirt is witty and looks good on me, I'm immediately IDed as straight or laughable in a bar. My appearance is not sub par either. Maybe I should petition AE to start making apparel for my kind.

Re:Still doesn't help some of us. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31206492)

Interesting that you mention your Turing shirt when discussing gay geeks. You can probably put something on the back so it reads something to the effect o, "I failed the Turing test... but I'm his type." That might get you the right kind of attention.

Re:Still doesn't help some of us. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31207028)

Mod parent up. Entirely relevant.

As a hairy geek who is married (3, Interesting)

toadlife (301863) | more than 4 years ago | (#31205526)

My wife comes from an Italian family where all of the men are extremely hairy, and thinks hairless guys are a huge turnoff because "they look like little boys". She descries the stereotype of all women desiring hairless men and says that many of her friends also like hairy guys too.

As for the geeky part, I think that goes back to Women's innate desire for a man that will be a "provider". Being geeky is evidence that the man is not a dumb ass, and therefore has earning potential.

Re:As a hairy geek who is married (2, Funny)

aqk (844307) | more than 4 years ago | (#31208562)

My wife comes from an Italian family where all of the men are extremely hairy, and...

As they say: "The couple that shaves together, stays together." oooh... Low blow. Sorry! And I wonder why my karma is consistently bad. (sigh)

This research was sponsored by... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31205590)

...geeks?

I laughed Coke out my nose ... (1)

Bob-taro (996889) | more than 4 years ago | (#31205674)

... when I read the headline. My first thought was, "I'd like to see a picture of these researchers!" I guess the next study will be to determine how to persuade women to bring this secret attraction "out of the closet".

Too Bad for Gillette (1)

meustrus (1588597) | more than 4 years ago | (#31205682)

Gillette's advertising campaign will surely suffer if the image of the sexy woman caressing your face after a ridiculously smooth shave is no longer scientifically accurate. That women act that way is now disproven...by science!

um what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31205790)

"The unshaven look on a man is actually a turn-on for 41 per cent of women."

It's also a turn off for 59% of them. What kind of article is this??

Re:um what? (1)

Larryish (1215510) | more than 4 years ago | (#31207744)

In related news, studies have shown that 50 percent of people are of below-average intelligence.

Are these researchers ... (1)

517714 (762276) | more than 4 years ago | (#31205910)

Hairy Geeks?

well damn... (1)

Greylin (72313) | more than 4 years ago | (#31205942)

.. so I shouldn't have shaved my head after all?

This is absurd (5, Funny)

harlequinade (1122273) | more than 4 years ago | (#31206008)

Geek or not, no woman will never be happy until we come factory-installed with an 11-inch schlong that shoots out free money.

Consider the Source (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31206060)

Let's not forget that this is the same Daily Fail that has a mind-staggering list of things that cause cancer...so many in fact that there's at least one group on Facebook that keeps count: here [facebook.com] .

Who would have guessed? (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#31206596)

RMS [kanorben.net] is a babe magnet! At least that explains why Hurd has never shipped... he's too busy hittin' it!

Groundhog Day response (1)

dorianh49 (988940) | more than 4 years ago | (#31206646)

Me... me... me... me, also... this is a man we're talking about, right?

In a related study... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31206784)

...an overwhelming majority of the researchers say their moms think they're cool.

One Word (1)

Paxtez (948813) | more than 4 years ago | (#31207094)

w00t!

Johnny Depp, Tobey Maguire, Gerard Butler (1)

jeko (179919) | more than 4 years ago | (#31207096)

Look at the article. These women mean they like scruffy, geeky traits on Johnny Depp, Tobey Maguire, Gerard Butler and David Beckham.

So if you look like any of those four guys, you're in luck.

Although, actually, Tobey Maguire didn't get the girl until she found out he had superpowers too.

So OK, if you look like Johnny Depp, Gerard Butler or David Beckham, OR you actually are a superhero, then you're in luck.

Basic Rules (1)

Silvrmane (773720) | more than 4 years ago | (#31207158)

basic rules - don't smell like ass, be funny, and don't be a spaz.

That clears it up (1)

Alvare (1430099) | more than 4 years ago | (#31207162)

of course!
that would explain all the virgins over at 4chan.
wait ...

What she said- idle musings (1)

aqk (844307) | more than 4 years ago | (#31208120)

And "idle" is the (non)operative word here on /. Right, lads?

"I don't want a brave man, I just want a cave man!"

As for me- ...Got a devil's haircut in my my mind-
Alas,
Something's wrong 'cause my mind is fading,
And everywhere I look, there's a dead end waiting...

OK- you get the point.
It's too bad. I'm considerably older than Beck, although I still have most of my (grey) hair...

tobey mcguire is a geek? (1)

brillow (917507) | more than 4 years ago | (#31208596)

The guy dropped out of high school. Geeky is more than awkward.

New Rule? (1)

brillow (917507) | more than 4 years ago | (#31208600)

Can we not post so called "articles" from British "newspapers" anymore? Except maybe The Economist?

congratulations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31208622)

this is a new lowest for slashdot. we are so used to reading how open source is selling better then commercial, how firefox beats the hell out of explorer, how android is the way more cooler than iphone, etc. but this is the most stupid and meaningless bullshit I've ever heart.

so congratulations slashdot for this new level of "completely out of reality" style.

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