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2010 — the Year AACS and HDMI Kill Off HD Component Video

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the hope-you-used-conduit dept.

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For home theater buffs who want (or already have) a high-def system using component-video connections, time may be growing short. Audiofan writes with this story, which begins: "Digital HD (high definition), like that enabled through HDMI and Blu-ray, is awesome. It offers amazing picture and audio quality. It allows you to conveniently connect one single cable to provide both picture and sound. It is royally going to screw up a lot of homes next year. Wait, what was that last part? After December 31, 2010, manufacturers will not be 'allowed' [to] introduce new hardware with component video outputs supplying more than an SD resolution (480i or 576i). Should this go through as planned, it's going to disable or throw a wrench in a lot of existing custom installations as soon as the end of this year." The AACS in the headline stands for Advanced Access Content System, the industry scheme to block "the analog hole" by controlling content from storage media to eyeballs.

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Just buy the unofficial ones (5, Insightful)

cstdenis (1118589) | more than 4 years ago | (#31202962)

There will still be plenty of HDMI to composite converters coming out of China, etc.

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203058)

They don't work for HDCPd streams, duh.

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203132)

They will. It's just a matter of time until it's cracked.

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (4, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203160)

They already do, HDFury being the most popular one. Google for "HDCP stripper".

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31203246)

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=HDCP+stripper

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (5, Funny)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203332)

Sorry, I'm not going to Google any phrase containing the word "stripper". Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent.

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (1)

M8e (1008767) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203442)

Just google ""HDCP stripper"".

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (3, Funny)

dynamo52 (890601) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203468)

They already do, HDFury being the most popular one. Google for "HDCP stripper".

Sorry, I'm not going to Google any phrase containing the word "stripper". Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent.

You are a wise men as this [google.com] was on the first page of the image results.

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (5, Informative)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203518)

Wrong. HDFury is legal and sanctioned.

It's downgrading the digital connection to an analog connection. It has legit HDCP keys.

It does NOT give you a digital output, and does not crack HDCP.

If the new rules get adopted, then the manufacturer of HDFury will be unable to manufacture any more of them.

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (1, Redundant)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203140)

They sure as hell do, just google for for HDCP strippers.

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (5, Funny)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203326)

I was really interested in and browsed this for almost 4 hours before I realized that my spell check changed it from HDCP to HARD.

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31203348)

Hey chucklehead, I didn't quite catch that. Can you post it again please? [slashdot.org] Karma whore.

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (-1, Troll)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203514)

Sure can:

They sure as hell do, just google for for HDCP strippers.

That make you happy you brain-dead cunt?
Ask the same stupid fucking question, get the same stupid fucking answer.

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (1)

lorenlal (164133) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203262)

I'm sure someone will find a way to make it work. We all know how effective DRM is, and how hard it is to break. I doubt that this will be met with much resistance due to the fact that component only give you 1080i, and HDMI delivers 1080p. But I do find it annoying that someone's telling the market they have to "stop doing something" even though there's really no need to...

Well, unless you have an HD TV that doesn't have HDMI. If I did, and my system conked out, and I was faced with a choice of buying a new TV or not having HD TV, I'd be pissed.

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (3, Informative)

wagnerrp (1305589) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203320)

I doubt that this will be met with much resistance due to the fact that component only give you 1080i, and HDMI delivers 1080p.

Component video can do 1080p too.

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (3, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203062)

Or use a media PC as the center of your entertainment setup and rip content to remove protections that would require HDCP.

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31203516)

yay, propose an extremely annoying solution to the problem.
i hate slashdot sometimes.

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31203070)

There will still be plenty of HDMI to composite converters coming out of China, etc.

That's the crux of most media problems. These people don't realize / don't care that you can often

a. spend less

and / or

b. get a superior product

by going through non-standard channels.

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203152)

Yeah, I'm definitely trying to get my outrage meter pegged over this, but just can't get the energy together to do it.

IMO, a complete non-story. Anything less than 720 isn't frigging "Hi Def" anyway.

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (2, Informative)

Wovel (964431) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203212)

Yes the point is today you can do 1080p with component and tomorrow (figuratively) you can not. I am not suggesting you should be outraged, only that you misunderstood the point.

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (0, Flamebait)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203264)

anything less than 1080p isn't high def either.

I mean we're talking 720p is 1280x720. That's not exactly high resolution when you think of what the average monitor from 1990 or even 2000 can do, let alone now.

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (2, Informative)

nxtw (866177) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203372)

720p is high definition compared to 480i/p NTSC, video, and DVD content.

Re:Just buy the unofficial ones (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203540)

the let alone now part is wrong - if you take alook around 80% of laptops being sold today have that shitty 1366x768 screen even when they are 15in.. sorry but sadly the quality of the average screen has been going down hill for a long time.

Why force the market? (2, Insightful)

rotide (1015173) | more than 4 years ago | (#31202982)

Why attempt to force the market to change? Oh right, money. Someone stands to make a lot of money from a bunch of people being forced to upgrade.

I mean, they could just let the old tvs slowly die out and eventually noone will have a need for anything but HDMI, but where is the short term profit in that?

Somehow I still doubt it will work. People don't like being told they can't have their way and someone will find a way to give them what they want anyways.

Re:Why force the market? (2, Insightful)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203346)

a lawsuit could probably turn this around pretty easily of people were willing to do it. That of course, is it's own problem: in order to turn around bogus crap, you have to spend exorbitant amounts of money just to turn around small stupid inconveniences that chip away at your rights.

Re:Why force the market? (4, Insightful)

causality (777677) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203398)

Somehow I still doubt it will work. People don't like being told they can't have their way and someone will find a way to give them what they want anyways.

Yeah, the 1920s proved that.

I used to think that people don't learn history. They do. What they don't learn is the ability to see how the current, "new" situation is similar to things that have happened before under similar conditions and can be expected to yield the same results. So every new development like this is a surprise to them. When it succeeds only in creating a market (underground, if need be) for non-compliant players that do what the customer wants, I guess the businesses behind this will be surprised too.

Is this really an issue? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31202984)

Will this really inconvenience that many people? Who built an HD system since Blu-Ray became standard that isn't ready for HDMI?

Money Money Money (5, Insightful)

CorporateSuit (1319461) | more than 4 years ago | (#31202986)

  • $25 for component
  • $60 for HDMI
  • Unchecked licensing authority

What we have is a perfect recipe for greed!

Re:Money Money Money (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31203042)

Decent HDMI cables are about $3-5 USD. Decent RGB cables are at least twice as much and unlike HDMI, some of the more expensive RGB cables perform noticeably better.

Re:Money Money Money (5, Funny)

Frequency Domain (601421) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203086)

You left off the $200 gold-plated HDMI connectors. Since converting to gold plated, I've noticed that the digital signal has 0's which are softer and rounder, while the 1's are slimmer and pointier at the top.

Re:Money Money Money (4, Funny)

Wovel (964431) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203240)

I prefer the more natural feel of less pointy 1s and less defined 0s

Re:Money Money Money (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31203350)

You left off the $200 gold-plated HDMI connectors. Since converting to gold plated, I've noticed that the digital signal has 0's which are softer and rounder, while the 1's are slimmer and pointier at the top.

I prefer the more natural feel of less pointy 1s and less defined 0s

DO NOT MOCK MY $2500 GOLD-PLATED HDMI CABLE! (sob)

Re:Money Money Money (5, Insightful)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203578)

We're not. It's a very nice-looking cable.

We're mocking you.

Re:Money Money Money (2, Insightful)

davester666 (731373) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203352)

Weirdo.

Everybody knows pointy 1's and rounder 0's are better.

Re:Money Money Money (1)

Wovel (964431) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203554)

Woah. You are obviously unrefined.

Re:Money Money Money (5, Funny)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203432)

Then you need gold-pressed-latinum plated HDMI cables, and our specially-crafted power strip made of ebony hand-rubbed to a sheen by naked virgins. It softens the zeros and rounds the ones ever so slightly. There's even a knob hand-carved from a Unicorn horn that stretches a bit of snipegut and can adjust the pointiness to a great level of precision. The dial even goes to 11, and there's a 12 setting available for a small extra fee of $50,000.

Re:Money Money Money (4, Funny)

Wovel (964431) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203530)

Interesting the last snipegut stretching knob I bought was made of rhino horn and I was unhappy with the result. Perhaps the magic of a Unicorn horn is what I need.

Where can I order one? 50k is very affordable if I will be able to convince myself it is working as you describe.

Now tell me something new ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31202996)

Now tell me something new ...

Summary contradicts itself... (3, Insightful)

Duositex (620105) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203018)

It says that they "...will not be 'allowed' [to] introduce ____new____ hardware..." and then says, "...throw a wrench in a lot of ____existing____ custom installations..."

How are these things related? Is the submission suggestion that your component video output will suddenly cease to work? Or are they trying to make the leap of logic that old displays will not have any new gizmos to connect to them? I've never seen a piece of display equipment that couldn't be connected to an HD source through some trickery with adapters or an upscaler etc. What's the worry here?

Re:Summary contradicts itself... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31203110)

From the article:

Lest you think that this won't affect existing players, note that after January 1, 2011, the manufacturers of Blu-ray discs will be able (at their option) to insert an Image Constraint Token into any Blu-ray disc. This is a sort of "digital flag" that will turn off the high-definition component video output in the player (effectively turning it into a low-resoluton 480i/576i output). The goal is to make sure that all high-definition video will only be made possible through "secure" digital connections like HDMI.

Re:Summary contradicts itself... (2, Insightful)

cmiller173 (641510) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203184)

After January 2, 2011 someone will have a way to rip a copy of the blu-ray disc that will also remove the Image Constraint Token in the process.

Re:Summary contradicts itself... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203566)

Any rip also removes that. Can do it today.

Re:Summary contradicts itself... (4, Insightful)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203364)

Yet another reason not to bother with BR.

Re:Summary contradicts itself... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31203198)

RTFA before asking questions?

Are the manufacturers getting more greedy (1)

BlueTrin (683373) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203028)

It seems that lately every manufacturer is trying to impose new standard in order to maximize their future sales.

Re:Are the manufacturers getting more greedy (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203074)

Lately????

I'd say that being there is a standard is freaking amazing just by it self.

Re:Are the manufacturers getting more greedy (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203138)

It seems that lately every manufacturer is trying to impose new standard in order to maximize their future sales.

It seems that since the first standard every manufacturer has been trying to impose new standards in order to maximize their future sales.

Re:Are the manufacturers getting more greedy (1)

Darth Sdlavrot (1614139) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203194)

It seems that lately every manufacturer is trying to impose new standard in order to maximize their future sales.

After 25 and 20 years I finally replaced my two TVs. I was going to wait for them to die, but the content I watch these days is mostly high def and they were really no longer suitable.

I didn't feel the least bit coerced into buying the new sets. I could have hung on to the old sets a lot longer but I didn't want to.

I wish them luck trying to maximize future sales -- it'll be tough to do if the new sets last anywhere near as long as the old ones did.

Re:Are the manufacturers getting more greedy (1)

ae1294 (1547521) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203492)

it'll be tough to do if the new sets last anywhere near as long as the old ones did.

O don't worry, they won't last anywhere as long...

Re:Are the manufacturers getting more greedy (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203542)

They won't. They will last approximately 2 weeks after the warranty expires and then they will die. You might want to experiment with setting the system clock forwards and see what happens.[/paranoia]

Re:Are the manufacturers getting more greedy (1)

geekmux (1040042) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203360)

It seems that lately every manufacturer is trying to impose new standard in order to maximize their future sales.

Give me a break. The only thing that's "standard" these days is the never-ending mantra in Sales that says as long as you continue to make something that falls into the "latest and greatest" bucket every 3-6 months, you'll have gullible customers out there buying it up like hotcakes.

I mean c'mon, I like Apple and all, but they are the WORST (and the BEST) at "new and improved"...Like they REALLY did a whole hell of a lot to the "new" iPod that replaces that 6-month "old" model.

Re:Are the manufacturers getting more greedy (1)

causality (777677) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203434)

It seems that lately every manufacturer is trying to impose new standard in order to maximize their future sales.

I guess creating quality products that people want to buy and delivering them at competitive prices is not exciting enough anymore.

Where? (2, Insightful)

Mashdar (876825) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203034)

Where is this happening? Dare I assume the United States? Epic description fail.

VGA? (1)

Mashdar (876825) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203084)

Does this include VGA or DVI with analog composite outputs? Because the idea of a 640x480 CRT monitor makes me tear up.

Re:VGA? (1)

wagnerrp (1305589) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203404)

The ICT will be enforced on any display that does not support HDCP. That includes all VGA and some DVI monitors. Of course if you're using 'analog composite', you have already constrained yourself to 480/576i.

Re:Where? (2, Funny)

T Murphy (1054674) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203386)

It doesn't have to tell you where, you can already tell:
Stupid regulation motivated by greed: USA
Stupid regulation motivated by stupidity/gullibility (often caused by the USA): mainland Europe
Stupid regulation inspired by Orwell: UK, possibly Australia
Not stupid regulation: anywhere else

Re:Where? (2, Informative)

HogGeek (456673) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203458)

I believe pretty much "everywhere" (at least on this planet).

The Advanced Access Content System (AACS) is a standard for content distribution and digital rights management, intended to restrict access to and copying of the next generation of optical discs and DVDs. The specification was publicly released in April 2005 and the standard has been adopted as the access restriction scheme for HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc (BD). It is developed by AACS Licensing Administrator, LLC (AACS LA), a consortium that includes Disney, Intel, Microsoft, Panasonic, Warner Bros., IBM, Toshiba and Sony. AACS has been operating under an "interim agreement" since the final specification (including provisions for Managed Copy) has not yet been finalised.

Since appearing in devices in 2006, most AACS decryption keys have been extracted from weakly protected software players and published on the Internet.

So, if you Buy/rent DVDs and/or Blu-ray - you're screwed (at least in 2011, or until the stream can be modified to remove the security...)

Re:Where? (4, Informative)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203480)

Everywhere. This is a licensing requirement to be able to play protected content, not a US regulatory requirement.

Re:Where? (1)

Late Adopter (1492849) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203500)

The summary does a bad job of describing that this is part of the licensing terms for AACS output devices, i.e. Blu-ray players (worldwide). This does nothing to change what inputs/outputs will be available on TVs or DVD players, even from the same manufacturers.

From TFA:

2.2.2.1 Analog Sunset – 2010. With the exception of Existing Models, any Licensed Player manufactured after December 31, 2010 shall limit analog video outputs for Decrypted AACS Content to SD Interlace Modes [composite video, s-video, 480i component video and 576i video] only.

no analogue holes (4, Funny)

russ1337 (938915) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203048)

I'm sure there will be a $1000 cable from Monster that has 'no analogue holes'. "Use this for your composite video to ensure you get the best composite signal with no analogue holes" Buyers will SWEAR their 480i show 'looks as good as HD'. I love Monster Cable, they collect 'stupid tax'.

Re:no analogue holes (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31203284)

Monster cables do look better. Does the normal consumer need them? Not necessarily but it definitely looks better than the standard hdmi cable. Don't confuse you needing glasses with Monster trying to rip you off. :)

Re:no analogue holes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31203596)

Monster cables don't look any better than any other quality made cable... (see Blue Jeans [bluejeanscable.com] )

You shouldn't confuse Psychosomatic Video Nirvana with Monster successfully ripping you off!

Re:no analogue holes (1)

Steauengeglase (512315) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203366)

I can remember when I only saw them in audio supply catalogs. At the time you didn't purchase a Monster cable because of their "wooden knob" claims (though they did stretch the truth, even back then), instead you bought them because of the lifetime warranty. Sure, I just paid $100 for a 20 foot guitar cable, but it "should" be the last 20 foot guitar cable I have to buy. No idea if they still do that.

Re:no analogue holes (2, Funny)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203414)

Well you gotta be careful you know. You can buy the $20 cable, but we can't guarantee it has no analogue holes. Now imagine yourself sitting down to watch the latest rental. Do you want to have to get up in the middle of it to realize you're leaking analogue all over the floor?

Nintendo Wii without Component? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31203050)

What about the Nintendo Wii? There is no HDMI cable for it currently available. Will it be illegal for monoprice.com to sell those sweet $6 Wii component cables that allow... get this 480p resolution, which would not be allowed by this.

Re:Nintendo Wii without Component? (3, Informative)

nolife (233813) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203142)

The Wii can still put out whatever they want over RGB and there is no law stating your device (TV) can't accept RGB as an input and still be included..
It states anything playing licensed MPAA content over RGB will be forced to be artificially limited to 480i.

Now what if you have your own video over 480i on say a camcorder or on a BR and would like to use RGB? That I do know if the law or the technology will differential that from "protected" content.

Re:Nintendo Wii without Component? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31203294)

Where does it say you can't sell component cables? It says you can't sell devices which play HD movies over component cables. Since the Wii neither plays Blu-ray movies nor outputs HD signals, it is already compliant.

Re:Nintendo Wii without Component? (4, Informative)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203418)

Purely FYI: AC means this cable [monoprice.com] . Thanks for the tip on monoprice, had not heard of them before. Geek fail.

Well, its like the old saying goes... (1)

deisama (1745478) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203102)

When you're having trouble selling a product, try and limit your available audience even more!

Not Shortly After, if not already. (1)

Icegryphon (715550) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203126)

We will have ways to split the HD signal anyways.
Do they honestly think they can stop someone from splitting the source device?
I have many Y adapters, Not all work well, but I am sure HD has many will have many solutions.
Output a laptop HDMI to a Capture card on another system, TADA
Why don't they just give up and stop making it hard for the common user
When I hear unbreakable technology it always sounds like a challenge just calling me

Hmmm...time to buy (4, Interesting)

HikingStick (878216) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203146)

If I were one with a little extra cash (or a lot of available credit), I might just buy up a lot of the desirable components now, and then make a modest margin by reselling them on Amazon or eBay after remaining stocks dwindle.

Shrug. Only affects legitimate consumers (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31203148)

Up to about 2001-2002 I was a legitimate consumer, but when the trend of shafting legitimate consumers became the industry standards, I went 100% piracy.
My entire entertainment system is a lean, mean, swashbuckling, pirating machine. There is no hole in which to insert a physical media; why would I need a DVD or Blu-ray source, since I have no intention of buying any discs? DVD player went to the dump with my VHS.

Now my country does levy a blank CD tax...Oh yeah, I never buy any blank discs because EVERYTHING is on Hard drives or flash cards.
I'm laughing man, because I am so not legit.

Ok, queue up the haters, I don't give a shit what any of you think.

Re:Shrug. Only affects legitimate consumers (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31203298)

Up to about 2001-2002 I was a legitimate consumer...

You've failed to grasp that as far as these "content cartels" are concerned, there is NO such thing as a legitimate consumer. To them the world is consists of them, and pirates. There is nothing in between, and all are guilty.

It's only reasonable (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31203452)

I think your setup is perfectly reasonable. How much moralizing do you see companies go through when they employ slave laborers to make goods or outsource your job to some third-world worker for a pittance? They are taking things away from others just because they can, so why shouldn't you do the same?

Slashtards go on about how it's okay because "corporation are amoral" and they "have a responsibility to make as much money for their shareholders as possible." If that is the case, then it's perfectly sensible to do the same thing yourself. Pirating is cheaper than buying, and allows me to have more money for other uses, therefore it is the right thing to do.

As they have sown, so they shall reap. All hail the false idol of money and bow before the might of the corporate gods.

Bye bye Wii (0, Troll)

RobVB (1566105) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203154)

At least in its current form. Maybe Nintendo will come up with a new HDMI version (which would be unnecessarily more expensive, and would most likely still only deliver 480p because of the Wii's technical limitations), or they will rush out Wii2, which will be buggy as hell because of insufficient testing (they have little over 10 months).

That, or Nintendo > AACS. I figure this last option is the most likely.

Re:Bye bye Wii (3, Informative)

fruitbane (454488) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203232)

None of this says HDTVs have to abandon analog inputs. There will continue to be models that feature them. It's more about Blu-Ray players and other devices that decode AACS protection on video not being able to output analog signals. The HDTV is the receiver, not the sender.

Re:Bye bye Wii (1)

Saishuuheiki (1657565) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203384)

How many TV manufacturers will continue to have analog inputs on their TVs when a minority of devices use them? Most people only use VCR/DVD with their TV anyways, so if these lose analog, I imagine many if not most TVs will lose the analog support as well

Re:Bye bye Wii (2, Insightful)

bws111 (1216812) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203572)

Any manufacturer who wants to make his TVs attractive to the millions of people who already use component video inputs from their existing DVD/Blu-ray players, cable boxes, Wii's etc. In other words, all of them.

Re:Bye bye Wii (2, Funny)

Wovel (964431) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203280)

Huh? We need a "poster misunderstood the point of the article" flag.

Re:Bye bye Wii (1)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203296)

I think you have this backwards. The article is talking about high def streaming over component not being allowed by the devices that will stream the content to your TV. You're talking about the Wii's low-def streaming over component to the TV... the Wii would have to purposefully downgrade it's quality to be affected by this but it's already at SD so it wouldn't be.

Re:Bye bye Wii (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31203322)

What? The Wii isn't new hardware, and it doesn't rely on other devices supplying HD over composite outputs either, they need only accept it over composite inputs, which don't have anything to do with the matter at hand. This doesn't affect the Wii in any way.

Wii will work (1)

voss (52565) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203324)

480p component inputs on tvs will work fine its just 480p outputs on dvd/blue-ray disc players wont. Wii doesnt play DVD's
so it wont be affected by the AACS action.

In any event most wii players dont care about the difference between 480p and 480i

Re:Bye bye Wii (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203370)

I hope they call it the WiiII

Yes, Just like the last few times. (5, Insightful)

bferlin (642337) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203164)

I seem to remember the same argument with Region Codes and DIVX. People voted with the wallet last time, why would this time be any different?

Even if they do get their way, all they will do is create a cottage industry of security-defeating technologies. And like always, the real pirates who make tons of money selling counterfeits will find ways around it.

It's the actual consumer that can't watch that latest DVD because of DRM that doesn't quite work right that get screwed.

2010 The year blu-ray gets bypassed... (3, Insightful)

voss (52565) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203170)

An overpriced underperforming platform get bypassed in favor of digital media players with increasing sizes of flash storage or hd storage.

Its a story of a clever technology undermined by its own advocates. Why buy a blu-ray player that may not play new favorites 3 months
from now when you can get a digital download. The old tech people may stick with DVD while the new tech people may switch
over to direct digital download. If Im gonna hook my player up to a network to get firmware updates, I might as well just get a network
media player.

Optical storage is dead anyway (3, Insightful)

ickleberry (864871) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203172)

There is so much streaming stuff out there now, torrents of stuff ripped from streams and paid downloaded movies that optical storage is not really necessary or useful anymore. I have never had more problems with optical media than anything else, discs that go bad after a certain time, coasters and silly copy protection schemes.

Blu-ray is the latest mainstream optical storage has to offer and it's a nasty proprietary format pushed forward by the notorious DRM worshippers that are Sony. The discs are too expensive and fewer people are going out to buy movies. There isn't much point either since when you buy it it's not even yours.

Unless low-cost holographic storage becomes available without restrictions or DRM I'd say optical storage has had it's day. and anyone developing optical storage these days has to be in the least position to force DRM on the market. The SD card guys have had much more luck with peddling DRM to the masses and I expect that SD-DRM usage will become widespread any day now

No more intelligent responses... (4, Insightful)

fruitbane (454488) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203206)

I typically try to express some kind of intelligent or informed opinion on /. stories, but all I can come up with here is, "Screw you, AACS." I have not yet moved to Blu-Ray or an HD TV, and this makes me much less likely to want to. Bastards.

Re:No more intelligent responses... (2, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203390)

Well, considering the fact that we are the early adopter crowd that does have some relevance.

How else is grandpa going to know that there's the nifty new tech out there that he should be buying.

He's certainly not going to stumble upon this himself. And no, all of the ads and displays at Frys and Best Buy aren't going to clue him in.

After 70 years of media saturation, he probably doesn't notice any of that stuff anymore (assuming he doesn't have his hearing aid turned off).

If I can't play it in the device of my choosing, then I'm not really interested. My only BD device only has a USB output as it is.

Oblig... (5, Funny)

AmigaHeretic (991368) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203222)

Though not exactly on topic, I feel like I should post this like I always do...

"24K gold-plated connectors help protect the cable's optical lens to ensure consistent signal transfer"

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Rocketfish%26%23153%3B+-+8'+Digital+Optical+Cable/8315147.p?id=1174694191675&skuId=8315147&st=optical [bestbuy.com]

Re:Oblig... (1)

Wovel (964431) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203306)

Thank you.

Re:Oblig... (1)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203318)

Thanks, I needed that laugh.

Re:Oblig... (2, Interesting)

AmigaHeretic (991368) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203460)

If you really want a laugh, read the customer reviews of that cable. :-)

So, basically, don't bother buying blu-ray? (4, Insightful)

dr2chase (653338) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203242)

because one way or another, you'll get screwed?

Re:So, basically, don't bother buying blu-ray? (1)

Wovel (964431) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203336)

No not really. It means don't buy a new HDTV with only component inputs (impossible anyway so I can stop here, but I won't) in hopes of adding a blue-ray player that will be manufactured more than a year from now.

So... (1)

i_ate_god (899684) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203388)

I run a media PC. I want to buy a BD-ROM for it.

It's DVI -> HDMI for video, and a Tascam USB sound module for audio.

Should I be concerned about blurays breaking my setup in any form or fashion?

Televisions without analog inputs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31203486)

This sounds like a slippery slope to televisions without analog inputs. That really sucks for game systems, like the PS2 or Wii which don't have digital outputs.

Not as bad as it sounds (2, Informative)

Craig Davison (37723) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203496)

The SD resolution you'll be restricted to is NOT 480i. It's 540p (960x540 in Widescreen). It's still better than DVD resolution (720x480 non-square pixels).

Impact (2, Insightful)

qoncept (599709) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203562)

Component video cables are hardly ubiquitous. Lots of people have never even seen them and even less could tell you what they were if you asked. The majority of people with HDTVs bought a $150 HDMI cable along with them.

Confused (1)

Uranium-238 (1586465) | more than 4 years ago | (#31203598)

I'm confused, I mean obviously this is bad, but what exactly will it mean? As far as I can tell after having read the article and the AACS page on WP, all I can say fo certain is that this means we will have to use HDMI cables connectors etc etc or do it illegally via SD or other. So could someone explain this to me a little better?
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