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Lost Nazi Uranium Found In a Dutch Scrapyard

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the sturm-und-drang dept.

The Military 205

colin_faber writes "Lewis Page of the Register is reporting that forensic nuclear scientists at the European Commission's Joint Research Centre traced the two pieces of metal found in a Dutch scrapyard — described as a cube and a plate — back to their exact origins and dates. Apparently both came from ores extracted at the 'Joachimsthal' mine in what is now the Czech Republic from the former Nazi nuclear-weapons programme of the 1940s." The article runs through the roadblocks that, unknown to the Allies, the Nazi regime erected against their possible success in any nuclear bomb development during the war.

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Die judischen (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31240682)

Die judischen Leute stehlen die ganze Ihr Geld. Deutschland sollte den Krieg gewonnen haben. Jetzt stehlen die judischen Leute die ganze Ihr Geld und berauben Ihre Banken. Bald kommt ein neues Alter. Die Judehaut ist unsere Lampenschirme und das Judefett ist unsere Seifen.

Der einzige gute Ort fur einen Juden ist im Ofen.

Re:Die judischen (0, Redundant)

linuxgeek64 (1246964) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240708)

Sie sind widerlich.

Re:Die judischen (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31240838)

Here [slashdot.org] is the translation. More or less.

Re:Die judischen (0)

pookemon (909195) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241042)

Hey stumm Hintern - Sie haben den Krieg verloren - noch eine weitere Sache, die Sie saugen an

Re:Die judischen (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31241084)

Wir verloren den Krieg, weil Sie Marionetten der Juden sind.

Sie sind Hunde. Sie denken nicht fur. Die Juden denken fur Sie. Es ist jetzt zutreffend und es war dann zutreffend. Haben Sie Spass im Irak und Afghanistan!

slashdot ist wirklich ein Wunder (1, Troll)

mjwx (966435) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241470)

Even in German, the trolls still get modded down.

Re:Die judischen (2, Informative)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242776)

GP is not a German. His text was clearly machine-translated, so is yours, leading to very funny statements.

Yours basically means: Hey, a mute bottom, you have lost the war - another thing that you siphon.

Many boffins died ... (4, Insightful)

DrJimbo (594231) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240710)

... to bring us this information. Context:

Furthermore the Germans were hampered by having driven many top physicists out of the country with their anti-Semitic policies, and also by drafting other boffins into the army to fight as ordinary soldiers.

Re:Many boffins died ... (5, Funny)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240726)

Why can't we talk about 1940s Germany without bringing up the Jews?

but you fuck one goat...

Re:Many boffins died ... (5, Informative)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240810)

The article is about Germany trying to build an atomic bomb during WWII. Jewish scientists who fled Germany around that time include Einstein (E=mc^2, the basis for atomic bombs), Teller (father of the hydrogen bomb), Bloch (worked with neutrons, worked on the Manhattan project), Wigner (told Roosevelt about Nazi bomb plans, worked on the Manhattan project), Szilard (same as Bloch, one of the people who first conceived the a-bomb) and Frisch (same as Szilard).

Do you suppose some of those guys might have been kind of useful to a German atomic weapons program?

Re:Many boffins died ... (3, Informative)

Vahokif (1292866) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241070)

Teller, Wigner and Szilárd were actually from Hungary, not Germany.

Re:Many boffins died ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31241100)

Well, you know. Germany as a state rather than a set of borders. That's a dumb thing to nitpick about, buddy.

Re:Many boffins died ... (1)

Carewolf (581105) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242230)

Hungary was not part of or occupied by Germany in WW2. They were sort of allied at times.

Re:Many boffins died ... (1)

drfreak (303147) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241156)

Yeah, but Einstein fucks one goat... and all credibility goes out the door [youtube.com] !

Re:Many boffins died ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31241676)

Yeah, but Hitler blanks a donkey [youtube.com] , and...

Re: How? (1)

colinnwn (677715) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241810)

With one nut?

Re:Many boffins died ... (1)

Xest (935314) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242288)

Yep, even those who weren't Jews such as Godel ended up in the US because he was shunned for having been associated with them. As you say, it's kind of hard not to bring the Jews into it.

Re:Many boffins died ... (2, Informative)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242372)

Einstein had nothing to do with the atomic bomb, other than supporting it politically. Not to say that he wasn't a brilliant physicist, but he really had nothing to do with it.

Re:Many boffins died ... (5, Informative)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242518)

Einstein did many things, and yes his formula was instrumental in predicting the power that a nuclear explosion would have (and yes - he miscalculated the first time, everyone did). However his contribution to the atomic bomb was limited to the suggestion that "matter should be convertible into energy". Not much more than that sentence. Of course, that sentence was the reason a lot of scientists re-examined the properties of known radioactive materials, leading to :

The direct basis for atomic bombs, for a quick neutron-cascade reaction in enriched uranium, laid by these scientists :
Otto Hahn (German, Nazi)
Fritz Strassman (German, most likely also a Nazi)
Lise Meitner, Jewish, who initially received a "special exception" from the Nazi regime for her work, and protection from a thoroughly Nazi university in Austria, but then was forced to flee anyway

But this was only fission itself, and the suggestions that if somehow large amounts of U-235 were used with cadmium-enriched water between them that a "large amount" of energy would be released. This release of energy was not yet a bomb, it is what we call today a "meltdown". Dangerous, very hot, and poisonous, but nowhere near an atomic explosion. Niels Bohr calculated exactly how much energy a meltdown would produce : 200 million electron-volts PER split atom. The principle that guides bomb development was still missing 2 concepts : enrichment and the discovery of "critical mass".

Incidentally, Otto Hahn was part of the nazi nuclear weapon development program (in fact he was the one that suggested the Nazi's start one). Enrichment was eventually mostly perfected by Otto Hahn, in parallel with the enrichment accomplishments in the Manhattan program.

Critical mass, the actual direct cause for an explosion (nazi weaponization of nuclear power at that point was mostly focused on e.g. launching bombs with it, or producing oil with it, that sort of stuff), was discovered by Francis Perrin.

Then, in 1939, all elements to produce a working atomic bomb were in place. Eventually, while Otto Hahn has in fact drawn up plans that would have worked before the Americans had a working plan, the Americans were the first to get a working atomic bomb in July 1945, a month after the fall of the third reich.

Re:Many boffins died ... (4, Insightful)

martyros (588782) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242722)

I think the quote from Heisenberg in the article is particularly interesting:

"We definitely did not want to get into this bomb business," said Heisenberg. "I wouldn't like to idealize this; we did this also for our personal safety. We thought that the probability that this would lead to atomic bombs during the War was nearly zero. If we had done otherwise, and if many thousand people had been put to work on it and then if nothing had been developed, this could have had extremely disagreeable consequences for us."

In other words, simple-minded tyrants think that the best way to motivate people is to say, "Make this happen or die." (And less powerful but just as simple-minded people in the workplace use "Make this happen or lose your job.") But one result is that no one is willing to suggest the idea of anything moderately risky, for fear that they'll be put to work on making that happen, and punished when it can't be done.

Re:Many boffins died ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31241348)

Why can't we talk about 1940s Germany without bringing up the Jews?

but you fuck one goat...

Now I understand why you call yourself BadAnalogyGuy.

Re:Many boffins died ... (1)

VValdo (10446) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241464)

Why can't we talk about 1940s Germany without bringing up the Jews?

I knew sooner or later someone would invoke Niwdog.

W

Re:Many boffins died ... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31240758)

How many times can they use the word boffin in one article? It was distracting...

Re:Many boffins died ... (2, Informative)

MaskedSlacker (911878) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240796)

Stupid British slang. Of course, its hardly a real news source, hence the slang in the first place.

Re:Many boffins died ... (1)

norpy (1277318) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240966)

It's kindof a signature of el reg to use the word boffin all the time. Personally I gave up reading it ages ago because it's writers are terrible.

Re:Many boffins died ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31241544)

> Personally I gave up reading it ages ago because it's writers are terrible.

LOL@U

Re:Many boffins died ... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31240762)

Hello Slashdot,

I’d say its been 8 or 9 years since the last time I rammed a stick of butter up my ass while jerking off and fingering my asshole. I did it because it felt really good but that’s not the point of this story. I want to tell you of the events proceeding this fateful masturbation.

I’m sitting there watching The Fresh Prince of Bel Air and around 15 minutes go by and I feel a sticky wetness on my ass cheeks and ballsack. This is when I realized that the butter I had shoved up my asshole had melted and leaked out onto my couch and it had a very distinct putrid stench to it. It had mixed with my shit to create something far worse than shit. It was probably the worst thing I’ve smelt in all my life. It actually smelt many times worse than the time I had stuck a pickle up my asshole and forgot about until the morning after.

While standing there taking in this wonderfully putrid smell I realize that I cannot be the only one to smell this. So I walked quickly upstairs with my ass cheeks clenched not wanting to spill a drop of my shit butter. I pull out from my sock drawer a heavy woolen sock and unload the contents of my asshole into it. I thought the smell was bad before. I now had the urge to do a barrel roll out my window to escape the horrid odor. I quickly tied the top of the sock and left my house.

As I walked down the street a brownish-yellow liquid slowly dripped from the bottom of the sock. The neighborhood kids became very curious as to what was going on and as they approached they caught a whiff of the putrid smell emanating from the sock. This is when Joanna, my neighbors 13 year old daughter vomited what looked like a freshly eaten peanut butter and jelly sandwich all over the street. I nearly came in my pants at that moment. I had the sickest hard on. In fact the only thing keeping me from raping Joanna while she lay in a pool of her own vomit was my sock full of shit butter. I knew I had something to do and I was damn sure going to do it. I kept walking.

I finally made it to my local grocery store. An epic journey it had been. Every asshole in the vicinity could smell the putrid odor but nobody knew where it came from. I can still hear them in my mind. “What the fuck is that smell.” “This smell is so bad I think I am going to kill myself with a hammer” one man said. I even saw a fellow depraved maniac in the corner of my eye. I could tell because he had the same smile that I did. He was laughing with the same glee. I’m sure he’s raped a severely mentally challenged child in his lifetime. I know I have.

That’s when I saw him. The old nigger who sat in front of shoprite saying hello to every asshole strolling by. I fucking hated this man. I couldn’t tell you why. I just hated him. He could smell my shit butter. I could tell because he was gasping for air. I quickly approached him thinking “this will be the greatest day of my life. Nothing could stop me now.” This is when I felt a sudden burst. I realized later that I had shot a load off in my pants right at that moment.

I was arms length from the nigger now. I clenched the sock tight with both hands and swung it at the niggers face with all my might. I hit him in the cheek with such force that the brownish-liquid had sprayed out all over his face. He immediately threw up. I sat back laughing as he washed out his eyes with bottled water. He asked “why?” and I responded by dumping the rest of the socks contents on his head. Truly, I did it for the lulz.

While everybody was distracted I walked into shoprite and quickly shoved as many apples as I could up my ass. It was 4. I left shoprite with the most satisfaction I have ever felt in my life. I remember thinking “wow, I’m such a great person, I get 4 free apples, and I get to go home and jerk off to CP.”

When I think back on that day, I can always remember how sweet those apples tasted. Nothing sweeter.

Elsewhere in the scrapeyard... (3, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240716)

An irradiated lead refrigerator with the body of the legendary tomb raider Indiana Jones was also discovered.

Re:Elsewhere in the scrapeyard... (4, Funny)

ibsteve2u (1184603) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241292)

Is it true that Schrodinger's cat was feeding upon the remains?

Re:Elsewhere in the scrapeyard... (5, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241316)

Yes and no.

Re:Elsewhere in the scrapeyard... (1)

quercus.aeternam (1174283) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242146)

What, they didn't open it?

Re:Elsewhere in the scrapeyard... (2, Funny)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242594)

Curiosity killed the cat.

Or it didn't.

Wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31240722)

damn. thats hardcore.

Doesn't address the most interesting issue (4, Interesting)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240736)

There's been a lot of controversy over whether Heisenberg deliberately sabotaged the Nazi bomb-making or whether he tried to help but was incompetent or whether the failure was due to factors beyond Heisenberg. Although I have not read the book, I've been told that Paul Rose's book "Heisenberg and the Nazi Atomic Bomb Project" presents a strong case that Heisenberg tried his hardest to assist the Nazi regime in the building of the atom bomb.

Re:Doesn't address the most interesting issue (5, Funny)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240742)

There's been a lot of controversy over whether Heisenberg deliberately sabotaged the Nazi bomb-making or whether he tried to help but was incompetent

I guess we'll never really know. Maybe it was both.

Re:Doesn't address the most interesting issue (2, Informative)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240862)

Everybody should read "Copenhagen" at some point, it's really the first and last word on this issue. There's very little in the historical record to guide us to the 'right' answer to the question of what Bohr or Heisenberg were trying to accomplsh, the best we can do is consider the different possibilities.

Whatever happened, thank G-d Bohr didn't ask Heisenberg if he'd double checked his reaction cross-section radius...

Re:Doesn't address the most interesting issue (1)

radtea (464814) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241148)

Everybody should read "Copenhagen" at some point, it's really the first and last word on this issue.

It certainly isn't the first word: the Farm Hall debriefings would probably qualify as that. But as someone who knows a little bit about neutron diffusion calculations I do believe it is the last: Frayne has put together a very difficult argument to answer regarding Heisenberg's role in any NAZI A-bomb project. His portrayal of Heisenberg as a experimentally naive theorist also rings true.

Read it if you must, but play is definitely worth seeing, although the first part of the second act limps a bit.

Re:Doesn't address the most interesting issue (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241204)

There was an excellent PBS production of the play [netflix.com] with Daniel Craig as Heisenberg and Stephen Fry as Bohr. Though I felt like I understood it much better in the reading.

Re:Doesn't address the most interesting issue (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241214)

Sorry, Stephen Rea, I get them confused. :D

Re:Doesn't address the most interesting issue (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31241934)

If you are interested in Copenhagen, I STRONGLY suggest purchasing this book:

http://ohst.berkeley.edu/publications/copenhagen/

I presents several different arguments that do a very good job of exploring many things which Frayn couldn't include in the play for theatrical reasons or was otherwise unaware of. Also, make sure to look at both Frayn's postscript and his post-postscript, which you should be able to find online with a bit of searching.

The play is good, but it definitely falls short in some areas. For example, Heisenberg definitely did the calculation, he just used what was essentially a shortcut based on a false assumption. But it wasn't that he assumed something or the other was right, he just messed it up. Nevertheless, after reading the essays in the book I linked to, I've decided that essentially the Nazis just decided the bomb program wasn't worth pursuing. But hopefully some people will pick up the book and be able to draw their own conclusion.

Also, to the person suggesting Paul Rose's account: Rose is a giant asshat. He hates Heisenberg unconditionally, going as far as to accuse him of spitting at Max Born, his close friend and mentor, because he was a Jew, despite the fact that no other historian has agreed with this account, there is no evidence of it, and their correspondence has the same tone before and after the supposed event occurred. Don't listen to Rose.

Re:Doesn't address the most interesting issue (1)

Sobrique (543255) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241974)

Who is this G-d, and why do you find it necessary to thank him?

Re:Doesn't address the most interesting issue (1, Funny)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240872)

There's been a lot of controversy over whether Heisenberg deliberately sabotaged the Nazi bomb-making or whether he tried to help but was incompetent

I guess we'll never really know. Maybe it was both.

Ohh! I've got a Hollywood retro-movie pitch! The Mouse that Roared meets The Pink Panther with a bit of Dr. Strangelove.... and some Schindler's List to "modern" it up a bit. Now if we can just find someone who can play Sellers playing Heisenberg...

Re:Doesn't address the most interesting issue (2, Interesting)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240886)

The longer it takes for the joke to sink in, the funnier it is.

Re:Doesn't address the most interesting issue (1)

sleeponthemic (1253494) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241182)

You would be right at home in the sarlac

Re:Doesn't address the most interesting issue (2, Interesting)

radtea (464814) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241176)

I guess we'll never really know. Maybe it was both.

We do really know. There is no plausible answer to Michael Frayn's argument in his play "Cophenhagen". Ergo, the matter is incontrovertibly settled: there is simply no way that Heisenberg could have got his initial estimate of the mass of a uranium bomb so badly wrong (several tonnes) at Farm Hall if he had been working on such a project for the NAZIs.

This is one of those controversies that has been going on for so long that there's a little industry built up around it, but like buggy-whip makers the product they are pushing is no longer much needed.

Re:Doesn't address the most interesting issue (1)

MaskedSlacker (911878) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240802)

Heisenberg himself claimed that he had worked against the project's success, but any such claims are suspect given his obvious motive to avoid ending up at Nuremberg.

Re:Doesn't address the most interesting issue (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240890)

I think the "persuasion" used during Hitler's Government would make even the most stubborn goat be passive.

Re:Doesn't address the most interesting issue (1)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240984)

I think the "persuasion" used during Hitler's Government would make even the most stubborn goat be passive.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer would have disagreed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Doesn't address the most interesting issue (1)

Dishwasha (125561) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241890)

I'd also recommend Heisenberg's War: The Secret History of the German Bomb by Thomas Powers which makes a strong historical case that Heisenberg tar pitted nuclear weapon development in Nazi Germany and instead pushed for nuclear generators instead. It is apparently clear that he was a strong nationalist, believed that the Nazi regime was doomed to fail from the beginning of their reign, and saw efforts on developing nuclear power as a saving grace for Germany to the rest of the world once the war ended.

Fun trivia (4, Informative)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240750)

Fun trivia: Joachimsthal mine is where we get the modern word "dollar." Silver extracted from this mine was minted to attest its purity and the coin thus produced was called a "thaler." TH is a relatively unusual consonant sound in many languages, and corrupts to D in romance languages like French, and here we are.

Re:Fun trivia (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31241636)

It's true, but you're omitting how the word got into the American language. It's not through "romance languages like French" (don't you mean roman?), but through the german (as in language group) language Dutch. The German (as in, spoken in Germany) word 'thaler' became our word 'daalder', and was used by Dutch merchants as currency [lakdiva.org] .

No (2, Funny)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241836)

French is the language of romance, but I understand that as a slashdotter, you might not know this. I read it in a book. Very intresting apparently it all is designed to lead to sex, whatever that might be. Further reading might be in order.

Re:Fun trivia (4, Informative)

_merlin (160982) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241948)

You'll find that Romance languages [slashdot.org] is the accepted English term for the language group including French, Italian and Spanish. The name for the group including English, Dutch and German is Germanic languages [wikipedia.org] . (Not the capitalisation, too.)

Re:Fun trivia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31242170)

(Not the capitalisation, too.)

that's what I always say. my teachers never seem to agree, though.

Re:Fun trivia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31242304)

Also note the terminal "e".

Re:Fun trivia (1)

moonbender (547943) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242636)

Duly note.

Or: Dully noted.

Re:Fun trivia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31241808)

The mines of Joachimsthal also supplied the pitchblende from which the Curies isolated radium and polonium.

Re:Fun trivia (1)

asaz989 (901134) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242098)

It didn't corrupt to T/D in Romance languages; it was (and is) already pronounced as T in German.

Re:Fun trivia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31242228)

No, dollar comes from the Dutch word "daalder"

Re:Fun trivia (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242530)

No, dollar comes from the Dutch word "daalder"

Which in turn comes from the German word "Thaler", which originally was an abbreviation of "Joachimsthaler", which is (the nominalization of) an adjective meaning "from Jochachimsthal".

Re:Fun trivia (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242628)

TH is a relatively unusual consonant sound in many languages, and corrupts to D in romance languages like French

I can't think of a French word where TH is pronounced as anything other than a T. Same for German.

When speakers of those languages try the [should be a theta symbol here] sound it usually comes out like Z or S.

Re:Fun trivia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31242770)

Fun trivia: Joachimsthal mine is where we get the modern word "dollar." Silver extracted from this mine was minted to attest its purity and the coin thus produced was called a "thaler." TH is a relatively unusual consonant sound in many languages, and corrupts to D in romance languages like French, and here we are.

False. French pronounces "th" sounds as a "t".

Coming soon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31240824)

I can't wait to see the Youtube Hitler video on this one!

Politics (5, Insightful)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240828)

The issue of Heisenberg, and any theoretical physicist being treated like a pariah (and thus dooming Nazi Germany's atom bomb program) is very instructive. The Nazi's made a political and ideological decision, to wit:

Quantum mechanics and general relativity is all about 'relativism' and 'ambiguity,' and is unworthy of Aryan science. It's emphasis on relative physical laws and indeterminacy are endemic of its moral turpitude and obvious Jewish origins.

They would then cast about trying to find every white atheist physicist who had doubts about 20th century physics, and then give them huge grants, fat think tank jobs, and would promote their work to the moon and back. On the other hand they would work to suppress the contributions of people like Lise Meitner, who used the 'Jewish physics' to provide them with proof of the first lab fission reaction.

I suppose there's some sort of argument pro or con of climate change in this... exercise for the reader.

Re:Politics (4, Informative)

grouchomarxist (127479) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240972)

Atheist? Perhaps non-Jewish, but I've never heard of the Nazi's having an inclination to promote a person *because* they were atheist, as opposed to Protestant or Catholic.

The Nazi's were at least superficially Christian and opposed atheism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_views#Hitler.27s_reaction_to_atheism [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany [wikipedia.org]

Or perhaps you mistyped and mean Aryan.

Re:Politics (0)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241086)

If Hitler was strongly against atheists, somebody must have been hiding Himmler and Rosenberg from him... When the Nazi's found a Christian who actually believed in the Ten Commandments and followed their conscience, they generally saw an enemy. Their interest in the traditional religions of Germany existed insofar as it provided them with handy symbols for propaganda. They had no use for people who actually believed in things beyond what they were ordered to do.

Re:Politics (2, Informative)

grouchomarxist (127479) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241230)

Judging by the wiki articles, perhaps not the best sources but they're readily available, both Himmler and Rosenberg believed in some kind of Aryan religion which was an aspect of the Nazi movement. Neither appear to have publicly declared themselves to be atheists.

Re:Politics (0)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241122)

I am willing to stipulate s/atheist/gentile/ if that will suffice?

Re:Politics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31241018)

Atheists? I thought Nazis were officially believing in God, you know "Gott mit uns" and all that crap....

Re:Politics (1, Informative)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241056)

"Gott mit uns" was stamped on the belt buckles of the German Army in World War One. This schlagworte (that's the word, isn't it?) isn't often mentioned or attested in the history of the WW2 German Wehrmacht.

Re:Politics (3, Informative)

hachete (473378) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241518)

Ah hem: a WW2 Wehrmacht belt.

http://snyderstreasures.com/pages/buckles.htm [snyderstreasures.com]

Please go peddle your propaganda somewhere else.

Re:Politics (2, Insightful)

buzzn (811479) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242126)

Wehrmacht != Nazi. The Nazis were the political party in charge, and the Wermacht was the regular professional army. This is in no way to excuse the Wermacht, and many soldiers were Nazis, but we remind that the belt buckle of an ordinary soldier does not reflect the much more extreme values of the dictatorship, which imprisoned or executed many christian clergy for opposing the regime. The Nazis swept away anyone that opposed their power, and their religion was power.

Re:Politics (1)

Tsunamio (465339) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241746)

I suppose there's some sort of argument pro or con of climate change in this... exercise for the reader.

I'm pretty sure there is absolutely no argument for or against climate change in the Nazi suppression of Jewish scientists.

Re:Politics (2, Interesting)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242326)

In fact, Einstein and his theories were outcast in the "German Physics" the nazi were building. Einstein was jewish and traitor in their eyes. The nazis really lacked science buffs in their government. They had some success in rewriting history, in creating a non-jewish litterature, they did not understand why it could not be possible to make a non-jewish physics. They did not understand that Einstein was not an author of his laws, but a mere discoverer.

It is very interesting to look into the "Uranium Verein", the nazi nuclear program. Considering all the very good scientists they had, and the good infrastructure that existed at this time, they should have succeed way before US. But they had Bohr leave, they had Pauli leave, they had Einstein leave. More than Einstein, they put Heisenberg as a leading person, despite him being a poor experimenter (but a very good theorician) the good experimenter at the time was too suspicious because he kept having jewish assistant and protesting about their disappearance. It also didn't help that many of the scientific team had to serve some time on the front (and one or two died). The whole program is an example of bright people hindered by poor management, it is fascinationg to read.

Re:Politics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31242450)

It's emphasis on relative physical laws and indeterminacy are endemic of its moral turpitude

Finally, an explanation of what the USA landing card is all about. They are asking if any visitors know about quantum mechanics! Oops...

I would have thought they would be banning evolutionists not physicists from visiting but there you go.

Re:Politics (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242598)

ah, politics and ideology, making the world "interesting" throughout recorded history...

Re:Politics (1)

HungryHobo (1314109) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242630)

"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."

First Godwin Article? (0, Offtopic)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240832)

Is this the first slashdot article that mentions nazis right in the title?

Re:First Godwin Article? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31241048)

No [slashdot.org] , no [slashdot.org] , no [slashdot.org] , no [slashdot.org] , no [slashdot.org] , no [slashdot.org] , no [slashdot.org] , no [slashdot.org] , no [slashdot.org] , no [slashdot.org] , no [slashdot.org] , and (oh yes) no [slashdot.org] .

Time for bed (2, Funny)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240842)

I misread that as "Lost Nazi Uniforms Found in a Dutch Scrapyard" and failed to see why that would make news.

Re:Time for bed (1)

roju (193642) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240892)

Because of the zombies that were wearing them, obviously.

Okay, I'll give it a go..... (1)

rts008 (812749) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242176)

Well, I for one, welcome our radioactive Zombie Nazi Overlord uniforms...to the scrapyard?!!?!??

That just does not roll off the tongue well.....never mind.
*hangs head and slinks off, mumbling something about looking cooler in Dutch [google.com] *

Re:Time for bed (1)

Wuhao (471511) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240960)

I misread that as "Lost Nazi Uniforms Found in a Dutch Scrapyard" and failed to see why that would make news.

Because careful analysis shows them to be genuine Nazi issue, and the bodies wearing them were killed by WW2-issue bullets, yet their state of decomposition shows that they died in the past 12 months.

(quick jump to black, creepy sound effect)
LOST

2080 (3, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 4 years ago | (#31240930)

2080: "Toldja Iraq had WMD's"

quick, someone call Clive Cussler! (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241040)

I've got an idea for a new Dirk Pitt novel...

Re:quick, someone call Clive Cussler! (4, Insightful)

Dexter Herbivore (1322345) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241232)

There's no such thing as a *new* Dirk Pitt novel, they all have roughly the same plot.

Big Up? (1)

GrahamCox (741991) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241052)

FTA: Furthermore, they had taken good care not to big that aspect of the research up to their Nazi masters, for reasons of self-interest

I doubt Heisenberg ever said that, even translated from the German. To big [...] up. Jesus wept, is that OK in journalism now? Not only 21st century lazy slang but a split infinitive as well.

Re:Big Up? (1)

Garble Snarky (715674) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241126)

"bring up", maybe? not sure

Re:Big Up? (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242226)

They was stressed bout the bad word going to their peeps, know what I'm sayin?

They could at least have used a cromulent word. (1)

argent (18001) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242766)

Obviously they meant "to embiggen".

Boffin (5, Informative)

burningcpu (1234256) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241282)

In case any of you Americans were wondering what a Boffin is, it is a scientist. Here is a quote from wikipedia,

"In the slang of the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, India and South Africa, boffins are scientists, medical doctors, engineers, and other people engaged in technical or scientific research.
The word 'boffin' (or 'boff'—often as an insult[1]) can also be used to refer to any particularly clever person. The closest American equivalent is "egghead"."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boffin [wikipedia.org]

Re:Boffin (2, Funny)

ducomputergeek (595742) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241606)

I thought they were the ones who told the rebel alliance about the second Death star at endor....IT'S A TRAP.

Re:Boffin (1)

fusiongyro (55524) | more than 4 years ago | (#31241720)

Thanks! I was also wondering if the author could afford a thesaurus.

Anonymous Coward (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31241330)

The article is desperately short on facts. It's a nice rant about how stupid Nazis were, but there is zero evidence the metal was from Nazi Germany, only an unsubstantiated allegation. The rest of the article is purely 'hey, don't forget how valuable we Jews are'.

Pfft! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31241960)

I couldn't even find a dashboard for a 2001 Ford Mondeo when I was searching Dutch scrapyards.

Story left out some key points (0, Troll)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242210)

Some bits were unfortunately left out of the Reg story. Most notably the way Hogan tricked Col. Klink into drinking some of the heavy water from the shipment, thus cutting into vital Nazi supplies.

Where is that "Nazi" land? (1)

piotru (124109) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242678)

Oh, that must be the politically correct name of the German state, specifically under Hitler's occupation?
Oh wait, wasn't that a free, democratic election by the German people that brought Hitler to power?

i was going to comment (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#31242778)

but this story godwinned itself, so what's the point?

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