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Use Open Source? Then You're a Pirate!

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 4 years ago | from the and-proud-of-it dept.

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superapecommando writes "There's a fantastic little story in the Guardian today that says a US lobby group is trying to get the US government to consider open source as the equivalent to piracy. The International Intellectual Property Alliance (IIPA), an umbrella group for American publishing, software, film, television and music associations, has asked the US Trade Representative (USTR) to consider countries like Indonesia, Brazil, and India for its 'Special 301 watchlist' because they encourage the use of open source software. A Special 301, according to Guardian's Bobbie Johnson is: 'a report that examines the "adequacy and effectiveness of intellectual property rights" around the planet — effectively the list of countries that the US government considers enemies of capitalism. It often gets wheeled out as a form of trading pressure — often around pharmaceuticals and counterfeited goods — to try and force governments to change their behaviors.'"

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if everyone ignored the quacks... (5, Funny)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264410)

Then the world would be a better place. Although, I kinda like the idea of being a pirate. I've always wanted to sail the open seas, plundering vessels, going ashore and plundering the village's wenches. AARRGGG.

Re:if everyone ignored the quacks... (3, Informative)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264484)

Well, unfortunately that's not the worst of it. Merely *suggesting* the possibility of open source should make you a pirate.

Re:if everyone ignored the quacks... (4, Informative)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264918)

Bzzz.

Bad article summary. It doesn't make you a "pirate" but it does make you a Special 301 Suspect who may have tendencies towards piracy (oh no). It's kinda similar to police profiling black drivers as potential criminals, except minus the racial overtones.

I wonder why Russia is not on this list? They encourage open source software as the preferred option for schools. Maybe we don't want to annoy our new ally.

Re:if everyone ignored the quacks... (2, Informative)

cupantae (1304123) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264956)

I wonder why Russia is not on this list?

Already there. High priority, in fact.

Re:if everyone ignored the quacks... (5, Insightful)

Improv (2467) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264506)

Only ignore the quacks if they lack influence. Otherwise, it's important to fight them.

Re:if everyone ignored the quacks... (1)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264522)

I agree...the tragedy, though, is that quacks *CAN* gain influence. Oh well.

Re:if everyone ignored the quacks... (5, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264804)

Yes, ignoring the quacks with influence is just ducking the issue.

Re:if everyone ignored the quacks... (5, Funny)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264828)

that's a good way to run afowl of the law.

Re:if everyone ignored the quacks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31264854)

If it walks like a quack, talks like a quack, is a member of a group of quacks, it's a duck? Huh?

Re:if everyone ignored the quacks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31264526)

I'd much rather be a ninja...

you are a pirate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31264686)

You are a pirate [youtube.com]

Re:if everyone ignored the quacks... (1)

masmullin (1479239) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264838)

You'd make a wonderful dread pirate Roberts.

Re:if everyone ignored the quacks... (1)

Linker3000 (626634) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264954)

I prefer Japanese Open Source Apps - Arrr so?

.... We're sailing on the wide accountan-cy. (1)

uncledrax (112438) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264976)

Full Speed Ahead Mister Cohen! [youtube.com]

Incidently, I love the statement just before the credits.. maybe we have finally found a good and fun reason for an economic meltdown :]

Aaaarrrrggg (1)

abbynormal brain (1637419) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264412)

sorry

Re:Aaaarrrrggg (1)

confused one (671304) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264702)

Aaarrrr matey. No need for ye to feel sorry for yer self. Welcome aboard.

Re:Aaaarrrrggg (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31264928)

Time for a mutiny.
We should round up the blackguard lobbyists, make them walk the plank and keelhaul them.

And? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31264422)

Does this do anything to help the fact that Rob Malda's penis is so small that a toddler looks like Mandingo in comparison?

If you use open source, you're a pirate... (4, Interesting)

nebaz (453974) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264432)

what happens if you write/contribute to open source?

Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate... (5, Funny)

medv4380 (1604309) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264528)

Then you got a lil Captain in ya

Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate... (4, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264544)

You get a free pirate eye patch signed by Linus Torvalds.

Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate... (4, Insightful)

H0p313ss (811249) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264598)

what happens if you write/contribute to open source?

As everyone else is pointing out, that makes you a Communist.

Having said that, I would love to see a world where all the OSS contributors gets added to the "watchlists" of the world and all hell break lose every time there's a geeky conference in California or Florida. A "geeks of the world" vs. homeland security grudge match would be a thing of beauty.

Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate... (2)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264774)

Yes, because the "geeks of the world" are going to do well against Tazers, watchlists and Federal charges.

Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate... (3, Insightful)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264844)

All of the items you mentioned rely on software, databases or electronics in one form or another. Next.

Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate... (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264936)

All of the items you mentioned rely on software, databases or electronics in one form or another. Next.

Imagine the cost of just analyzing the impact of OSS on federal systems, much less removing it all.

Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31264958)

Guns and grenades, then.

What, you think they'll actually be held accountable for doing their real jobs?

Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate... (1)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264968)

Guns and handcuffs don't.

Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate... (2, Insightful)

AndrewNeo (979708) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264810)

And here's an interesting point: DHS already uses Apache for dhs.gov, and I'm sure plenty of other government programs use and work on open source platforms, even if their main desktop deployments are Windows.

Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate... (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264924)

And here's an interesting point: DHS already uses Apache for dhs.gov, and I'm sure plenty of other government programs use and work on open source platforms, even if their main desktop deployments are Windows.

NASA, NSA and the military all use and deploy Linux. I'm sure the number of federal systems that embed apache jars is astronomical.

Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31264934)

Considering the result of the "simulated cyber war" last week this might be a fight the geeks can win!

Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate... (5, Interesting)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264632)

Then you support pirates, which means that you must be guilty of "contributory infringement".

In all seriousness, though, times like this are perfect example of the difference between free marketeers and scumsucking rent-seeking corporatists who don't deserve to live.

Anybody who makes, and in public no less, the argument that OSS software, voluntarily released by its owners under particular licences, is a "threat to intellectual property" is simply making the petulant demand that "intellectual property" be made to equal "Payments to me, in perpetuity". The intellectual dishonesty is breathtaking.

Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate... (4, Interesting)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264986)

Canada's proposed legislation C-61 would have resulted in $20k fines for installing Linux since it would "circumvent" some DRM things.

Seriously though -- I use Linux, and I download music and movies, and sometimes I rip them from library-borrowed DVDs. At work, I do things to hurt actual, real life pirates, who are the scum of the earth, Johnny Depp's romanticized version aside. Some of the work I've done was breaking the communication pathway in a device in order to do a thing, and that end product is being used by people with guns who are engaged with real pirates. Apparently that makes ME the bad guy.

Big IP houses would love to find a model that's "pay per play, and a monthly fee, and we decide the prices, and anyone who breaks our rules should go to jail and be bankrupt" model. They are the ones that are as bad as real life pirates.

Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate... (1)

Nossie (753694) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264672)

then you are a kiddie fiddler...

and if you distribute it you are a drug dealer of course!

Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate... (1)

diegocg (1680514) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264746)

You are still a pirate [cristgaming.com] !

Re:If you use open source, you're a pirate... (1)

Wireless Joe (604314) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264940)

Obligatory [youtube.com]

Seriously flawed logic (5, Insightful)

Palestrina (715471) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264444)

The article quotes the IIPA recommendation on Indonesia:

Rather than fostering a system that will allow users to benefit from the best solution available in the market, irrespective of the development model, it encourages a mindset that does not give due consideration to the value to intellectual creations.

I think this is is seriously flawed logic. It appears to falsely equate "value" and "intellectual creation" with a proprietary, commercial development model. Proprietary IP rights are a way to exploit the value of intellectual creations. But proprietary rights are not the source of their value. We can give "due consideration to the value of intellectual creations" without discriminating against open source. Maybe buy the developer a beer or send them a thank you note, or better yet, a bug report or patch?

We used to laud those benevolent spirits who contributed to the public good with no thought of remuneration. Now it seems we try to outlaw them. There might be a movie idea here.... The Police unions get together and sue Batman for doing pro bono work...

Re:Seriously flawed logic (5, Interesting)

dvlhrns (1681218) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264510)

I could not agree more !!! It used to be that if you did something for the good of the public you were praised...now it seems we are gonna be prosecuted.

Re:Seriously flawed logic (4, Insightful)

Rysc (136391) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264512)

It's only okay to give things away if you assign them to the public domain so that companies can take them and re-sell them with slight modifications for right and just capitalist profit.

Re:Seriously flawed logic (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264826)

Nothing in the OSS or even in the GPL precludes people from making mods and selling it for a profit. NOTHING.

However, to do so, they just have to release the source code to their product in accordance to the licenses granted to the software/product in question.

On a side note, I just ran into another stupid company that has tied their software to a USB dongle. What a crock of shit that is. The funny thing is, I have no idea why they did this, as it isn't high on anyone's "pirate" list.

Re:Seriously flawed logic (1)

perlchild (582235) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264892)

Of course, you've just established why they must be fought. They can ask politicians to erode our rights and dilute our fair use, but since they're not doing it themselves, we can't sue them, either criminally or civilly, for that particular crime(we could sue them for blackmail/extortion/traffic of influence and related, if they resort to that however) but for the act of equating "doing something for the greater good" with "impinging the rights of others to profit, and working to get others to believe that, they get no penalty. That's why they must be fought.

Re:Seriously flawed logic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31264516)

This gives me a great idea: Open Source Law Enforcement.

Re:Seriously flawed logic (5, Insightful)

Angst Badger (8636) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264626)

I wondered when they'd get around to doing this. Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't try it sooner.

You can safely assume that if used clothing became fashionable amongst the moneyed classes, clothing manufacturers would try to force Goodwill and the Salvation Army out of business. Value is tied to scarcity, so trying to generate artificial scarcity is a pretty standard tactic. In a field like "intellectual property", where all scarcity is artificial, sharing is viewed as a sin.

Of course, the real irony here is that artificial scarcity itself is an attack on the capitalist free market. But the free market only appeals to the little guy. To established interests, the free market is a threat. Ergo, companies like Microsoft spend most of their time trying to suppress competition, which is almost guaranteed to work, as opposed to actually competing, which carries a much larger risk of failure.

Re:Seriously flawed logic (1)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264768)

I know when I build a table or chair in a wood shop, my foremost concern is the value to intellectual creations.

Re:Seriously flawed logic (1)

Tanktalus (794810) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264860)

It's not equating "value" with "intellectual creation". It's equating "value" with "payment." While this can be true for physical goods (my house is worth exactly what I sell it for), it's not quite the same for services (if your employer ever paid you exactly what value you produced for the company, there'd be no profit left for the company). And, sorry to say, but IP is more like services (intangible) than physical good (tangible). So it's still a false equation, but slightly different than your supposition.

Re:Seriously flawed logic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31264866)

Maybe buy the developer a beer or send them a thank you note, or better yet, a bug report or patch?

I am envisioning a new service along the lines of pay-pall where you could buy a beer for your developer of choice to be collected at their leisure at their local pub... something along the lines of micro-payments but with micro-brew.

-I just may have to develop such a system, or at least spend many hours at my local pub researching it...

Re:Seriously flawed logic (5, Funny)

pclminion (145572) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264868)

If you think I would prefer a bug report over a beer then you have some serious brain damage.

Re:Seriously flawed logic (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31264972)

This thinking is typical of the myopia Capitalism inflicts on it's adherents and apologists, the inability to distinguish between "use value" and "exchange
value". Capitalism is all about turning use values for example, air and water, into marketable goods for which money will be exchanged. To do this capitalists must, by limiting production through technical or legal means, create an artificial scarcity . Developers who "give away" their creations through Open Source licenses are guilty of the gravest heresy and must be burned at the stake. For further reference see any of the introductory works of Karl
Marx or Thorsten Veblen.

 

In before (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31264446)

First post!

what a bunch of idiots (5, Insightful)

corbettw (214229) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264450)

The GPL is, arguably, the most popular and most well-known open source license. Without strong copyright law protecting the rights of creators, the GPL could not exist, depending as it does on copyright enforcement to effect its clauses. So I'm not sure what world this lobbying group lives in where FOSS is incompatible with copyright.

Oh yeah? (4, Insightful)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264674)

Well piracy wouldn't exist without copyright law either!

I thought open source was communism? (2, Insightful)

Jabrwock (985861) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264472)

OS = piracy? I thought OS = communism was pretty stupid, but "using free software = stealing" takes the cake.

So now it's pretty obvious what the 301 is. Not a tool to protect IP, but a tool to excuse protectionism.

Re:I thought open source was communism? (2, Informative)

Bigjeff5 (1143585) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264704)

OS = Operating System, actually. You want OSS or FOSS, though the F is almost always redundant.

OSS != communism, certainly, but it is a form of socialism. It's like sharing, it's voluntary so it's not just no big deal, it's friggin awesome. It's the coersive forms of socialism that can be scary and nasty.

As for this IIPA group, they are either incredibly ignorant (possible, but if so it must be by choice), or they just want to manipulate the system to their advantage - which is probably the case.

Re:I thought open source was communism? (0)

GasparGMSwordsman (753396) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264942)

OS = Operating System, actually.

Well actually OS also equals Open Source. That is how word abbreviation works. OS could also mean Owl Sauce, Open Spoonful, Office Supplies...

On top of that issue, Open Source is not limited to Software. There are many cases of OS hardware or even OS book licenses. Again, in both of these examples, it is correct to use OS (== Open Source) and incorrect to use OSS (== Open Source Software) because they are not examples of software. As the issue in question does regard OS hardware as well as software, *I* would say that OS would be a very correct usage for this conversation.

I do so hate people trying to correct others when they don't have a complete grasp on the situation.

Re:I thought open source was communism? (4, Insightful)

Dog-Cow (21281) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264858)

What do you think the concept of IP is, except protectionism?

Add the USA to the list too (5, Insightful)

samuraiz (1026486) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264474)

The NSA's SELinux, anybody? Obama administration Drupal sites? Forge.mil?

These morons can ask all they like but I don't think they're going to get anywhere.

Re:Add the USA to the list too (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264548)

Assuming that left hand knows what the right hand is doing, sure.

Re:Add the USA to the list too (2)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264602)

The problem is that these idiots are scaring away potential business users of open source software.

Re:Add the USA to the list too (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264950)

And hasn't IBM invested about a billion dollars into Linux, among other companies?

It gets worse (0, Offtopic)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264476)

Aren't you a communist as well?

Re:It gets worse (1)

Xtifr (1323) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264790)

Aren't you a communist as well?

Everyone who breathes without paying for their air is a dirty commie! :)

Can I sue the IIPA for defamation? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31264478)

Since I encourage open source software, can I sue the IIPA for defamation?

Do they realize how bad an idea this is? (4, Interesting)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264486)

I suspect that to some extent the IIPA sees the US policy as an extension of their own economic interests. For much of history that's exactly how things have worked with colonial powers forcing things on colonies and subservient or conquered countries to serve their own economic interests. However, the end result of this will be pretty clear: If this does go through then people will simply take the 301 Watchlist much less seriously, which will actually hurt the copyright holders and others because the list contains examples of countries that really are abusing copyright in very serious fashions that actually should be dealt with.

it's international "talk like an OSS user" day! (1)

boneglorious (718907) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264496)

arrrrrrr!

Re:it's international "talk like an OSS user" day! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31264592)

Yar har fiddle de de......

Who heads the lobby group...? (3, Informative)

BatGnat (1568391) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264504)

William "Bloody" Gates III, Aaargh.

I preferred to called a privateer...

Re:Who heads the lobby group...? (1)

GasparGMSwordsman (753396) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264962)

I preferred to called a privateer...

You would need to get your letter of Marquee signed by Linus Torvalds first...

Always in america ... (-1, Troll)

unity100 (970058) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264514)

that kind of shit gets perpetrated. now, pause for a moment and think, did you EVER read or heard ANYthing like that happening in any other country around the world ? mind that, there are 250+ countries. did ANYone, leave aside 'lobby organizations' or any kind of organization, anywhere around the world, dared even say such bullshit ?

no. but it happened in america. its not just saying either, they are trying to pressurize their government. itis little different than going up saying 'this free people business is blasphemy, it undermines adequacy and effectiveness of noble's rights' back in 18th century.

  this has gone beyond the point where wall street scammed entire world. corporations and private interests are now trying to rip people off their freedoms without any shame or any hesitation, and getting away with it. this is an appalling indicator of how bad an environment corporatism and unregulated capitalism can create. at this rate, we will wish that we remained in feudal system. at least in that system the lord was obliged to feed the serfs.

Re:Always in america ... (2, Insightful)

Dracker (1323355) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264608)

United Kingdom and France. Three Strikes, anyone?

Re:Always in america ... (4, Insightful)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264716)

this is an appalling indicator of how bad an environment corporatism and unregulated capitalism can create.

If you think that the US has unregulated capitalism, or even just plain capitalism, then you need to come visit the US sometime so you can see how wrong you are.

Open Source funding (1)

Elektroschock (659467) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264520)

But these IIPA guys are just bloody trolls.

In fact they could wide spread the idea to fund open source development to lower these nations strategic dependencies from the United States.

A message that seems worth to spread around. I want my government to spend one billion on Linux Desktop and OpenOffice development, so we finally stop public tax payer money to end up in the pockets of an unethical American company.

Get us our money back [youtube.com] !!!

not a surprise (1)

The Abused Developer (1730734) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264540)

i was wondering how that it didn't happen yet?! no problem, no need to wait anymore LOL :-) the corporate smashing machine moved really slowly on it ...

So, does this mean... (3, Insightful)

Dialecticus (1433989) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264552)

...that you're a thief if you drink from a public water fountain?

How does this get traction anymore? (1)

OgGreeb (35588) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264554)

Any crackpot organization can submit comments to the USTR, but why does anyone, including the mainstream media, take this seriously anymore when
there are so many counter-examples of distinguished groups taking open source seriously? If the federal government "takes this under serious advisement",
then maybe the Open Group can irritate Hamilton Beach and Kitchen-Aid by suggesting that toasting bread for breakfast is the equivalent of piracy.

Time to move (2)

dvlhrns (1681218) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264558)

If this goes through and gets approved, then it's time to leave this country. What kind of place do we live in where doing something for the public good is criminal ? It's a sad state of affairs when people are "criminals" because they help the public... I for one will leave this country in a heartbeat if this gets approved. I hear there are countries in the world that encourage people to help the public ;)

"IP" != capitalism (5, Insightful)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264572)

Quite the contrary. Copyrights, patents, etc are monopolies created and granted by government to selected individuals and companies and therefor are the very antithesis of capitalism (which is orthogonal to the question of whether or not they should exist). In a totally free market anyone would be free to manufacture and sell any object even if it was a copy of an object first made by someone else. The express purpose of copyright and patent laws is to prevent competition.

Not surprising (1)

Bullfish (858648) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264582)

This is not the first time that open source has been accused of being a vector for illegal activity, also, it has been labeled as communist http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/bparchive?year=2007&post=2007-05-14,1 [upenn.edu] http://www.wired.com/culture/culturereviews/magazine/17-06/nep_newsocialism [wired.com] Those are just two mild examples

Well, to their checkbooks... (2, Insightful)

CorporateSuit (1319461) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264616)

To their checkbooks it is equivalent to piracy. However, if they view legitimate (albeit free) competition as criminal, then they are admitting to their monopoly and/or price fixing. If their competition releases equivalent software for free, then their justifications to sell software licenses for $90+ are unsound and possibly illegal. If they want piracy to equal using open source solutions, then instead of going to an open source solution, I should have no moral qualms of pirating software. Thanks to them!

In response, I suggest we.... (1)

novakom (1667041) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264620)

...open source the government. Seriously, how hard is it to write:

Legislation
If (party1_votes 60) && (party2_votes 60)
GOTO Gridlock

Gridlock
GOTO Legislation

I think I may have just automated congress.

Re:In response, I suggest we.... (1)

novakom (1667041) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264640)

Please note: apparently my ./-fu is not strong, there should be a "less than" between each *_votes variable and 60, which didn't show up due to some formatting thing.

Hahahahaha (0, Offtopic)

RobVB (1566105) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264624)

Hahahaha hahaha haha hahaa ha ha

...

:'(

True In a Way (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31264628)

Using open source deprives closed source vendors of potential revenue, which is the same argument used against pirates. I'm sure the US doesn't care if these countries are not buying our software because they are pirating it, or using open source alternatives; the US wants to take the same approach to all countries who are not paying for commercial American software.

then call me a pirate! (1)

Yaddoshi (997885) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264642)

Although due to the fact that "Arr" has been trademarked, I must now instead say "Ess"

It takes one to know one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31264678)

I'm not an Open Source zealot. I believe that different licensing models and business models suit different folks. You make a choice and live with the consequences open source or closed source. Interestingly, the very folks that find open source fundamentally evil are also users of Open Source. I seem to recall hearing that several of the feature length animations produced by their members were/are done using rendering farms of systems running ... wait for it.... Open Source software. Kind of hard to reconcile this with things like http://www.openexr.org. I would be surprised if it didn't exist elsewhere in their businesses.

whatever (2, Insightful)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264680)

Not only did the British government changed the wording around its controversial 'three strikes' proposals,...

That's around the part of the article where I stopped reading it. If one can't bother to at least proofread their own drivel, then I'm certainly not going to bother reading it myself.

Re:whatever (1)

pclminion (145572) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264926)

Yes, there's nothing that makes quite as much sense as remaining willfully ignorant of a current event because somebody made a typo while trying to report it.

now they fight FOSS (4, Interesting)

keeboo (724305) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264684)

I'm probably the Nth person to quote this, but it's so fitting:

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

Nothing to see here. (1)

cosm (1072588) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264690)

This post's title completely sums up the irony, stupidity, and fucktardedness of the IIPA and other assholes giving lobbyjobs (known as LJ's) to various government schlongs in the hopes of being paid for their liberty whoring.

/endrant

Age old strategy (4, Insightful)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264750)

If you can get the government to make consumption of your product mandatory, then you're set for life. This is just like the single company in the US that manufactured catalytic converters lobbying congress not to mandate emissions standards, but to mandate that all cars be equipped with a catalytic converter -- regardless of their emissions. They've been mandatory since 1975 despite the fact that they reduce horse power and fuel economy [ehow.com]

The Modern USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31264756)

USA - the den of greed, hypocrisy and bullying. If that's the true face of capitalism then I don't mind being called a socialist.

Well... (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264760)

... it's my recommendation that the IIPA & all of it's member groups get put on the "Special DiaF" list.

Government Action = Business method (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31264780)

I think it is pretty clear now that government action is simply a method of doing business. If you are a large enough business, you (indirectly) pay government representatives to take actions that protect your interests and hinder the interests of your competitors. The government simply exists as a way for politicians to make money and for huge corporations to "compete" when they can't (or choose not to) compete in the more widely accepted ways.

Should be named... (5, Interesting)

MrTripps (1306469) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264792)

Institution of International Pathetic Asshats. Here is what that haven of piracy Canada has to say about it when they were put on the list: "Canada does not recognize the Special 301 process due to its lacking of reliable and objective analysis, and we have raised this issue regularly with the U.S. in our bilateral discussions." Even our mild mannered neighborino to the North told them to go suck an egg. I have yet to see any reason why being on that list should bother a country in the slightest.

As usual, the headline is flawed. (5, Informative)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264816)

A few notes:

  • What does a pretty traveler on the beach have to do with the story? Is it supposed to entice viewers to read it?
  • The main article is Slashdotted, so here's Google's text-only cached version: link [74.125.93.132]

On the article, the main qualm for the author of the main article seems to be with Indonesia's inclusion into the Special 301 list. For those that didn't read the article but don't know what that list is, the Special 301 list monitors countries that are known for infringing IP rights on a wide-scale (or at least that's the jist I got from reading the articles).

If one reads at least the Executive Summary for Indonesia's report, it is made pretty clear that the analyzed paragraph is not the reason why Indonesia was included on that list. Their issues are, like many second- and third-world countries, much more far-reaching that.

Firstly, it is important to recognize that these are not governmental mandates. These are requests. While there is some legitimacy in claiming that the exclusive use of (free and) open-source software imbalances the playing field for companies looking to make a profit, it is very weak. Nobody complained when Germany or France switched over to OpenDocument format and Linux on government desktops, even though that both of those actions, according to the IIPA, would be guilty of the same thing. It should be a government's decision to determine whether they want to adopt a purely free and open-source computing environment; in fact, it is actually a pretty good decision for them since it would help them deter privacy at-home (which is ultimately what these folks want) while saving them massive dollars. I highly doubt that this will be followed through; too many questions would be raised.

Secondly, one the real reasons why Indonesia is on that list is clearly stated if one reads a bit further down into the report. They are reported as ranking in the world's top 12 countries for business software piracy. That more than likely means they get lots and lots of copies of Office from TPB or wherever. I'm not against piracy, but that would definitely be a legitimate cause for landing up on that list. They are also reported to have lots of other issues with illegal copying/selling/et al.

I am not against piracy (at least on a personal level), but I am against sensational journalism that only blows up a few pixels out of the bigger picture instead of looking at the whole image. This is hardly an attack on open-source; it's just a "thing they noticed."

Open source hardly gets a mention (1)

Shimbo (100005) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264830)

Not wishing to defend these guys too much but on a quick read of one of their reports, they barely mention open source. Here's all the report on Brazil [iipa.com] says about FOSS:

"Avoid legislation on the mandatory use of open source software by government agencies and government controlled
companies."

...the least of my worries. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31264864)

If I'm here, I read Slashdot.

Being accused of using Open Source software would be the least of my worries.

I'm pretty sure (1)

inode_buddha (576844) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264870)

I'm pretty sure these types have no problem with e.g. Habitat for Humanity. As long as they can take a tax write-off for their contributions. Maybe they should try and outlaw that too. In a more general way, I kinda pity those who cannot value anything without dollar signs attached.

DOESN'T MATTER (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31264886)

You'll all be jobless and destitute soon enough,Obamunism is just getting started. Between that and FOSSUNISM, YOUR ALL FUCKING DOOMED SINCE YOUR GONNA WRITE YOURSELVES OUT OF JOB BUTT MONKEYS!

It's a government organization (1)

JumpDrive (1437895) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264896)

With Intellectual in the title. That should be enough to tell you that they have no intelligence whatsoever.

Re:It's a government organization (1)

JumpDrive (1437895) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264906)

Yes, you must realize that stupid people need jobs also.

As a pirate would say... (2)

recharged95 (782975) | more than 4 years ago | (#31264978)

"Use Open Source? Then You're a Pirate!"


Then a Pirate Arg Be.
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