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Passive-Aggressive Wi-Fi Hotspots

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the i'll-show-you dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 263

the digital nomad writes "If you've had enough of your neighbor stealing your Wi-Fi connection or letting his dog s#%t on your lawn, there is now a better solution than suffering in silence with your brooding anger: leave your neighbor 'a message!' Passive-Aggressive Wi-Fi Hotspots let your networks say what you cannot. And if you're looking for some great name for your Hotspot, make sure to read this post by Gizmodo."

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Or. (4, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31271794)

Or you could...you know...actually secure your wifi.

Re:Or. (2, Informative)

BlueTrin (683373) | more than 4 years ago | (#31271866)

The above poster is referring to this link [flickr.com] in the article.

Re:Or. (4, Informative)

TheLink (130905) | more than 4 years ago | (#31271888)

Not as fun as this:

http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html [ex-parrot.com]

You might even purposely not secure your wifi ;).

Re:Or. (1)

tagno25 (1518033) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272190)

better is upside-down-ternet + kittenwars

Re:Or. (1)

smartr (1035324) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272058)

I personally would feel better leeching from a secure connection than my local "tranny hub".

Exactly. Using open wifi is not stealing. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272068)

If you leave it open and people use it, that's not stealing. DUH

Every time someone makes that ridiculous assertion about stealing, baby Seattle Wireless cries.

Re:Exactly. Using open wifi is not stealing. (1, Insightful)

mark-t (151149) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272288)

By that reasoning, if you leave your front door open, and somebody actually wanders in and takes something, they cannot be charged with theft.

Nope. Not the way it works.

Similarly, using another person's computer resources without explicit permission to do so, even if those resources appear to be freely available, is still illegal.

Whether or not a person who leaves his computer open in such a way may appear to deserve to be inviting such activity is as irrelevant as the the fact that they make consumer vehicles that go over a hundred miles an hour could be perceived as inviting people to exceed the speed limit.

Re:Exactly. Using open wifi is not stealing. (1)

flerchin (179012) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272422)

By that reasoning, if you leave your front door open, and somebody actually wanders in and takes something, they cannot be charged with theft.

Do you see the part of your post that concerns theft?

Using an unsecured wifi is more like depositing mail in their unlocked mailbox to be picked up by the postman. (Not stealing their mail)

Re:Exactly. Using open wifi is not stealing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272656)

Using an unsecured wifi is more like depositing mail in their unlocked mailbox to be picked up by the postman. (Not stealing their mail)

No, it's really not. Most ISPs in the US and Canada have bandwidth caps, so you're pushing the person closer to their cap without them even knowing about it, so you could push them in to receiving additional charges and costs incurred. It'd be like running an extension cord out their window and using their electricity to power your laptop. They're charged for what you're using.

Then there's the whole "their IP would be the one connected to any dirty shit you get up to," but I suspect that's half the reason people use unsecured wifi points anyway.

Re:Exactly. Using open wifi is not stealing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272606)

You might want to familiarize yourself with something before you run around posting how it works when you clearly do not know what you're talking about. Your analogy is clueless.

Re:Exactly. Using open wifi is not stealing. (1)

asdfghjklqwertyuiop (649296) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272662)

That depends entirely on your definition of "permission". I would say an open AP is more like an "open house" sign on the front lawn, not just an open door.

Re:Exactly. Using open wifi is not stealing. (1)

mcvos (645701) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272692)

Similarly, using another person's computer resources without explicit permission to do so, even if those resources appear to be freely available, is still illegal.

However, when they advertise the SSID of their open wifi, and respond to your request by giving you an IP and handling your traffic, it's a completely different matter.

They offer to handle your traffic, and when actually requested to do so, they comply. They don't have to do any of that if they don't want to. It's easy to lock wifi. It's easy not to advertise your SSID. It's a bit harder but still quite doable to not give them an IP, or give them an IP and then fuck with their traffic.

Re:Exactly. Using open wifi is not stealing. (2, Insightful)

orasio (188021) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272704)

But you neglect the fact that there is a protocol.
By publishing the ESSID, you invite other to connect to your network.
There is no need to publish an ESSID, and you could always lock the network.

If you leave the door open, and put a sign outside that says "come in", people might come to your house. For example, that's how retail works, and that's why we don't put "come in" signs at our front doors.

Re:Exactly. Using open wifi is not stealing. (1)

jmizrahi (1409493) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272786)

While in general I agree with you, I don't think it's quite that crystal clear. Let's suppose that the person with the internet subscription and his neighbor are both technologically clueless. Person A buys a device which, by default, allows anyone within range internet access (a wireless router). Person B buys a device which, by default, connects to the closest available network (a Windows computer). Both these devices are fully legal. Can you really say that Person B is stealing when he turns on his computer and discovers he has internet access? Maybe he doesn't even realize that you have to pay for such things. He could be a complete moron. The point is, all he did was turn on his computer and use its native features. The other reason the theft analogy breaks down is that in most cases, the person with the internet subscription does not suffer any losses from the freeloader, unless he's downloading tons of data. Except for that case, it's more akin to somebody using your driveway when you're out of town. Is that really stealing? Trespassing seems a more appropriate analogy.

Re:Exactly. Using open wifi is not stealing. (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272822)

Similarly, using another person's computer resources without explicit permission to do so, even if those resources appear to be freely available, is still illegal.

By your reasoning, if you leave your radio on so loud that the neighbours can listen to your music without having to pay for a radio themselves, then that means they're stealing.

Something tell me that's not how it works either.

fbi.gov (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272276)

My neighbor's is named:

fbi.gov

Re:Or. (4, Interesting)

digitalhermit (113459) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272504)

My wifi is normally secured, but I have some neighbors that are always trying to login. I see their attempts in the router logs and I open the router up every so often just to have fun. I set the broadcast name to "passw0rd" and changed to that password. Sure enough, they immediately log in with that key. I've set the router to deny all traffic except through my squid proxy and all pages redirect to the proxy welcome page until then. I don't care for their personal content, but it's interesting seeing the URLs that show up in the proxy. Many of them set cookies or use other auth so I can't see their content (at least not without changing some settings) but a good percentage use URL encoding so I can pull up their personal sites. The neighbors bounce a lot between facebook, gmail and some news sites. Oh and porn. The bastards watch a lot of porn. I'm probably going to start redirecting those sites to the GOP homepage or a rickroll at some point You can do this by subscribing squid to one of the blocklist sites. Nothing like a dated meme to piss off the neighbors.

Setup of the squid proxy took a few hours.. hardest part was the DNS redirect until they connect to the proxy, but there's tons of instructions now for doing it...

Re:Or. (1)

magus_melchior (262681) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272562)

Seriously. If you can change your wifi network name to "isuckdonkeynuts", you can change the security settings and encryption passphrase.

Heck, you could hide such an embarrassing network ID...

Re:Or. (2, Interesting)

furby076 (1461805) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272638)

Network Name "PedoLocalChapter15"

Is it possible to setup a router (e.g. linksys, netgear) to do annoying pop-ups on people's computers who are not on a MAC list? So if someone connects to my network they get a pop-up every X time....I would so spam them, every 3 seconds, with pop-ups to various animal porn sites

Re:Or. (1)

clf8 (93379) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272818)

I run my Wifi as a Closed network. It doesn't even show up in people's lists, you have to know the name. Why even advertise a door to begin with?

You don't really need to be a jerk (5, Interesting)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 4 years ago | (#31271798)

Yeah, some of them are a little bit funny. This would make a good humor post. But it's hard enough to stay on good terms with your neighbors as it is, so consider saying something nice. Like in driving, it's often stupid and dangerous to fight *ssholes by acting like one yourself, thinking you're going to teach them a lesson.

I run an open AP named "nohup", since it's on a UPS and is often the only one still running when the power goes out. (Unfortunately, Verizon FIOS's upstream UPS goes out after 5-10 minutes nowadays -- not the ONI in my house, which can putter along for a few hours, but something upstream of that)

Work with your neighbors to get a wifi mesh going: http://www.olsr.org/ [olsr.org]

If you still really want to dick with people, at least do something more technically interesting with transparent proxy hacks, such as https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Upside-Down-TernetHowTo [ubuntu.com] or running it through a Swedish Chef filter or the ilk.

Re:You don't really need to be a jerk (-1, Offtopic)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#31271892)

YourComputerNowHasAVirus

Question:

The laptop I just bought off Eba has a Bluetooth modem built-in. Is that the same as "wiifi"? If I carry this laptop to the mountains while hunting, how likely am I to find internet access?

Re:You don't really need to be a jerk (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272430)

tard

You don't really need to be on Youtube. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31271906)

."If you still really want to dick with people, at least do something more technically interesting with transparent proxy hacks, such as https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Upside-Down-TernetHowTo [ubuntu.com] or running it through a Swedish Chef filter or the ilk."

Or Rickroll them.

Re:You don't really need to be on Youtube. (1)

rwa2 (4391) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272178)

Well, nohup pretty much means "never hangup" so I've more or less rickroll'd them already.

Re:You don't really need to be a jerk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31271950)

Why you gotta be all sensible and stuff?

Nice Guys Finish Last (1)

jimbolauski (882977) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272042)

If your neighbors are assholes holding hands and singing ain't going to happen, it's best just to grow a pair and tell them if you don't have the balls create a login page to your hotspot that plays the recording of you neighbors having sex, or pictures of dog shit from your neighbors dog, just make sure your shit is in-order before you do.

Re:Nice Guys Finish Last (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272418)

Nice Guys Finish Last

"The takers get the honey, givers sing the blues" - Robin Trower

...recording of you neighbors having sex, or pictures of dog shit

"It's a wonderful day in the neighborhood..." - Mr. Rogers

Re:You don't really need to be a jerk (2, Interesting)

godrik (1287354) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272610)

I know you are already modded Interesting. but thank you for the info,

For the record, the ESSID of my network is ParasiteNet and is always open (in the honor of C. Doctorow). My neighboor love it. They just receive DHCPNAKs when they start consuming too much bandwidth...

Re:You don't really need to be a jerk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272694)

Verizon actually shutsdown internet and cable service when running on the fibre adapteers own battery.. and just keeps the phone line going, you need to add a UPS to that box too and it will keep runing.

spelling correction (3, Funny)

phil42 (24711) | more than 4 years ago | (#31271822)

that is spelled $#!+

Best way to deal with this is good old Cat5. (2, Funny)

Rod Beauvex (832040) | more than 4 years ago | (#31271830)

I'd like to see my neighboor get into my wired network.

Re:Best way to deal with this is good old Cat5. (2, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#31271920)

I'm dong that even as we speak.

But seriously I agree with you. If you're in a fixed place like your home, it makes more sense to just plug into a nearby jack (in my case - a phone jack). It will provide a faster connection, and doesn't broadcast your data all over the neighborhood for people to see (like those black BBC vans with the antennas).

Re:Best way to deal with this is good old Cat5. (2, Funny)

Rod Beauvex (832040) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272316)

Alternatively, nothing says 'stay off my network' like four bands of plastic sheathed cable to the face.

Re:Best way to deal with this is good old Cat5. (2, Informative)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272660)

But seriously I agree with you. If you're in a fixed place like your home, it makes more sense to just plug into a nearby jack (in my case - a phone jack).

Sure... assuming you have ethernet jacks sprinkled about your walls everywhere. Oh, and an ethernet jack on your laptop. And carry ethernet cable around with you. And you don't plan to get up and move around anywhere.

So, yeah, assuming all that, wires make way more sense...

Re:Best way to deal with this is good old Cat5. (2, Insightful)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272372)

I'd like to see my neighboor get into my wired network.

It's easy to get your wish granted. Just invite him to your flat, tell him to bring his laptop with him, and then offer him a cable to connect. Make sure you watch him while he gets into your wired network, because if you don't, you'll probably not see it.

Senile old man (5, Funny)

xbeefsupreme (1690182) | more than 4 years ago | (#31271890)

You Damn kids, get off my wifi!!

Re:Senile old man (5, Funny)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272114)

I think "get off my WLAN" sounds better.
Note that WLAN is an anagram of LAWN.

Re:Senile old man (0, Offtopic)

xbeefsupreme (1690182) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272758)

You are a genius

Stupid idea. (3, Funny)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 4 years ago | (#31271968)

Just install some snooper and logger and let the neighbour in, steal the credentials to his bank account, brokerage account, clean them out, and bankrupt him and force his home into foreclosure and buy it yourself using his own money that you stole. Now no pesky neighbour riding free on your WiFi. Instead you come up with some lame network names? Dumb.

Re:Stupid idea. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272024)

Just install some snooper and logger and let the neighbour in, steal the credentials to his bank account, brokerage account, clean them out, and bankrupt him and force his home into foreclosure and buy it yourself using his own money that you stole. Now no pesky neighbour riding free on your WiFi. Instead you come up with some lame network names? Dumb.

Even the lousiest bank or brokerage is using SSL these days.

Re:Stupid idea. (1)

BlueTrin (683373) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272084)

You would redirect them to your own copy of the page they are using

Re:Stupid idea. (1)

Doug Neal (195160) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272274)

SSL is designed to protect against active man-in-the-middle attacks.

If you use a self-signed certificate, they will get a big scary red warning page instead of the site (even on IE these days)...

If you have your own certificate (slightly more expensive and difficult to obtain) then you stand a better chance of fooling them, as it won't trigger the warning page, but won't stand up to close scrutiny.

Re:Stupid idea. (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272328)

So what do they get if you put up a captive portal with "install this root certificate if you want internet access"?

Re:Stupid idea. (1)

Doug Neal (195160) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272384)

I'd guess either "very suspicious" or "very confused" depending on level of technical ability...

Re:Stupid idea. (4, Insightful)

Reece400 (584378) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272450)

Just redirect them to an unsigned page, 4/5 people won't notice the difference (they've all clicked the don't warn me again check boxes at some point of other).

Re:Stupid idea. (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272700)

Can you redirect from a https site to a http site if you don't have the SSL certificate for the https address?

Re:Stupid idea. (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272742)

Well, all the browsers try to make the difference unobtrusive. Oh, a tiny "lock" symbol, or slight change in color, or a special icon in the url bar, or whatever. It's stupid. It should be big and obvious when you're on a secured site.

When you enter the site, there should be giant "steel" doors with some basic details from the certificate printed on them (and made to appear as if stamped or engraved into the doors). That material should include diamond-shaped "warning" placards ment to evoke similar devices in industry, should there be anything that needs warning about (like a self-signed cert). It should include the name of the certifying authority as well. They should have an animated opening sequence when you click on the doors, and they should appear as a border around the page (as if you're looking through the doors to operate the page.)

Steps should be taken to make it difficult to simulate the "security doors." Such as having them extend slightly over some of the UI elements in both states. And maybe have some information "printed" on them that the browser would have access to, but that scripts would not.

Re:Stupid idea. (1)

entrigant (233266) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272104)

That's not exactly an insurmountable problem

Re:Stupid idea. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272298)

And everyone except the most paranoid of all paranoid users ignore SSL warnings these days.

Or Even Funnier (2, Insightful)

DaMattster (977781) | more than 4 years ago | (#31271974)

Set up your devices with static addresses and set a dhcp scope above the addresses that you need. Then you transparently redirect any http request originating from the dhcp scope to say, www.google.com (or something nastier to be left to your imagination), using the power of iptables. Now, no matter what website the piggy backer tries to visit, he will be greeted with the ubiquitous google.com home page. Watch how quickly the neighbors will learn to leave your network alone.

Re:Or Even Funnier (1)

Reece400 (584378) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272468)

I think a certain youtube video would be most appropriate....

Re:Or Even Funnier (1)

furby076 (1461805) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272678)

How does one set this up on say a Linksys router? Then restrict it so anyone who doesn't have their mac address recorded with me would get the routing. For example I would want my friends to connect (they give me their MAC), but someone at the coffee shop can bite it.

I would so name my network "FreeNetwork"

In my vicinity... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31271978)

...there's an AP named "banislam". I find it agreeable.

Freifunk (0)

Elektroschock (659467) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272040)

Sharing a Wi-FI connection should be common pratice. This is what Freifunk is about.

Re:Freifunk (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272258)

In an ideal world, you could freely share it. In the real world, it just opens up yourself to litigation if someone does something illegal over your network. After all, from the outside view it's your IP from which the illegal stuff originated.

Re:Freifunk (3, Insightful)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272614)

In the real world, it just opens up yourself to litigation if someone does something illegal over your network.

I suppose you have one, single, real-world example where this has actually happened? I mean, you wouldn't just be throwing out frightening hypotheticals, would you?

Funny Names I have Used (1)

Jonah Hex (651948) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272048)

My favorite is "PirateHacker", which I hope scares the shit out of someone. I've also used "Unknown" and "ImWatchingYou"

HEX

Re:Funny Names I have Used (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272168)

My favorite is "PirateHacker", which I hope scares the shit out of someone.

Well, it might attract some actual pirate. You don't want to attract people who might cause you to get sued by the **AA.

Re:Funny Names I have Used (1)

blinking_at (126502) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272718)

"TrojanVirus" is a name I have seen...

Other issues (1, Flamebait)

Sandbags (964742) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272074)

My problems with my neighbors were not them stealing my WiFi, but in how they set up their routers... One specifically had a wide open router that for some damned reason my Wife's XP notebook would exclusively connect to, even when the signal was weaker than available preferred networks. I did everything I could to make XP either forget or disregard his network, but it would not. Something in XP (even after re-installation), simply insisted on connecting to his SSID over my secure one. This really pissed me off as the wife would establish VPNs to work, then try to print something to our printer only to find out she was not on our network, and would have to redo significant work, or the connection would just drop because his signal was weak.

Well, needless to say, he was a computer moron. Took the router out of the box, plugged it in, and went. It took about 10 seconds to log onto his device and turn the antenna off, then set a complex admin password. Every couple of days it would be back, so I'd break it again. After a few weeks, i noticed it was a new model, so I repeated the same process on it after XP continued to insist on connecting to it. (and just HER damned notebook, not any of my other 3 XP machines). I talked to him one day while I was mowing the lawn and he complained about the damned thing, and several calls to support, but they couldn't fix it, and apparently at no time ever suggested him to secure it either.

This went on for a while. He apparently rarely used his wireless (he was rarely home), and actually, i think it wasn't even his notebook, but a friend's he had the wireless for, so when I'd turn off his device, it would be a while till it came on. One Saturday though I turned it off, and it came back on quick. So, I did it again, several times in that day. He went out for a while after about the 4th time, and came back an hour later with a blue BestBuy bag with what looked like another new router. This was going to be fun...

By the end of Sunday afternoon, I had that poor bastard back to the store not less than 5 times, each time with a different router. I was practically camped by the family room window waiting to see him come and go, and had his unit shut down within minutes each time he got a new one up and running. Eventually, the wife made me go out and talk to him (honestly, even i was getting bored of the routine, and also noted this wasn't seeming to be coming to an end, he wasn't getting the hints), so I wen out and "inquired" as to the repeated trips to BestBuy. He told me his side of the story...

I said, "Oh, you're probably getting interference from someone else's system in the neighborhood, didn't support tell you that? You should secure your device" Then i offered he pay me $50 to do it for him (BestBuy was charging $149 at that time, and apparently got quite insistent that if he returned anohter device they'd not give him his money back unless they did an onsite install of the next one). he agreed, I secured it, set his SSID to hidden, and didn't have issues again (with him).

I've had other neighbors who were complete morons too. One apparently went around telling everyone else to hard set their access points to channel 2, since it was statistically the clearest channel. (I have NO idea where he got that one). It didn't phase me, but every one of them had issues... This only caused me issues because all their damned devices were only seeing my router, with all the other interference, and although it was secure, my log files occasionally filled up with people trying and failing to log on. Another convinced all the people in an apartment complex to pay him for Internet access, and set himself up as a mini ISP. Well, besides it being a huge hassle, as 15 people trying to hit his AP at once caused issues for sure, apparently one of them called support and spilled the beans. My, not being a dumb ass, maintained my own connection on a secure router, however, i had a HELL of a time proving to TWC that I was not the one sharing my connection (especially since it was not only business class, but I had shitloads of data running through it, as I operated a DR server in my home that supported my traveling classroom systems, and it synced backups over the WAN to my corporate office. Plus, I was also using streamripper heavily... and watched a lot on IPTV.

I mean, how hard would it really be if every router shipped with a unique SSID and a default random password? And that creating a "guest" open network was limited only to the most expensive and corporate models that had multiple SSID and radio support (secure or nothing configuration)? If everyone's routers were secure, then the only people "stealing" broadband would be people you LET steal it...

Re:Other issues (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272186)

You're an asshole. Whatever happened to Love Thy Neighbor?

If I found out you were doing that to me, I'd beat your nerdy ass till it was blue.

Retard. People like you are the reason no one likes their neighbors.

Re:Other issues (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272500)

I don't like my neighbours because they leave passive-aggressive notes as their SSID.

I AM NOT A HOSEPUNCHER! I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

Re:Other issues (2, Informative)

snspdaarf (1314399) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272804)

I don't like my neighbours because they leave passive-aggressive notes as their SSID. I AM NOT A HOSEPUNCHER! I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

That's the guy that take normal garden hose and makes sprinkler hose out of it by punching tiny little holes from one end to the other. The previous job description, "leak maker", has been deprecated.

Re:Other issues (1)

ShakaUVM (157947) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272674)

>>You're an asshole. Whatever happened to Love Thy Neighbor?

I don't think it applies when your upstairs-apartment neighbors stomp around over your head all the time.

That's why my friend has a AP called "WalkMoreSoftly"

Other SSID (1)

Ostracus (1354233) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272192)

"And that creating a "guest" open network was limited only to the most expensive and corporate models that had multiple SSID and radio support (secure or nothing configuration)? "

Multiple SSID [netgear.com]

Re:Other issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272210)

So, in summary: "I am not technically saavy enough to solve the problem so I jerk my neighbors around for fun."

Re:Other issues (2, Insightful)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272214)

I mean, how hard would it really be if every router shipped with a unique SSID and a default random password?

Not very..AT&T has been managing this with their CPEs for at least 4 years. They simply use the serial # printed on the CPE as the default password. Unique and not likely to be guessed.

Re:Other issues (2, Insightful)

lowrydr310 (830514) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272248)

I mean, how hard would it really be if every router shipped with a unique SSID and a default random password?

The routers that verizon hands out with their FiOS service do exactly this. They have a unique 6 character hexadecimal string as the SSID, and each has a unique WEP password that's printed on the bottom of the router on a sticker.

Now I know this isn't perfect (WEP security limitations aside), but it's sure as hell better than every single customer in my apartment complex having "Linksys" or "Netgear" access points with no encryption and default passwords.

I quickly ran into a limitation on the size of the NAT with this freebie router so I run my own router as the primary, and simply use the Verizon device as a bridge/media converter so my set top box can obtain guide info and IPTV (on-demand video) since it only has a coax interface.

Re:Other issues (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272264)

Well, needless to say, he was a computer moron.

Well, you're the moron who can't get windows XP to connect to your own wireless network.

Pot, kettle.

Re:Other issues (0, Troll)

Sandbags (964742) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272764)

Yea, it would thanks, but her wireless adapter (built in, nothing i can do about it) and it's driver set, apparently chose the first system it could conenct to, regardless of XPs settings. As i stated, no issues with other machines. i even had a Microsoft support case opened for it and they blamed it on the hardware.

Re:Other issues (4, Insightful)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272318)

This is acting like a dick. It's not his fault you can't configure your wife's laptop, and it's not his fault that he didn't know how to lock down his router.
What did your little episode teach him? To come ask the asshole next door (who hacks his system on the sly to annoy him) next time his computer has a problem? Why not just ask him to do it nicely, or offer in the first place? Oh yeah, because you wanted to harass him and make money out of him. Nice.
Hope your plumber/mechanic/etc neighbours pull the same trick on you sometime.

Re:Other issues (1)

NJRoadfan (1254248) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272362)

I mean, how hard would it really be if every router shipped with a unique SSID and a default random password? And that creating a "guest" open network was limited only to the most expensive and corporate models that had multiple SSID and radio support (secure or nothing configuration)? If everyone's routers were secure, then the only people "stealing" broadband would be people you LET steal it...

2Wire does this with their DSL Modem+Routers..... the problem is the default security they have it set to is.... WEP.... sigh.

Re:Other issues (1)

sandawgscorch (1106917) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272368)

hahahaha! haven't laughed so hard in a looong time! great story!lol

Re:Other issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272370)

In one sense you seem smart, so why don't you see and resolve what was really a problem with your wife's laptop? Instead you become part of an on-going problem, casuing many people hassle. Shame on you!

Why could you not set it up, or speak to the business IT department and get help?

If you're that worried about security, why don't you take the time to understand what is actually happening on your wife's laptop. Do you know how the VPN authentication is achieved?

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc759686(WS.10).aspx

Anyway, I can't believe you blame your neighbour? Amazing the way some people hide from the real truth!

Re:Other issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272402)

What kind of asshole takes his own ineptitude out on his neighbor? You have problems making your own computer behave like it should and you "fix" it by making your neighbor pay you to change his configuration? Just connect to his SSID once (or create a network entry manually), then remove the "connect automatically" option in the properties of that network. Your neighbor may be ignorant, but you are ignorant and malicious.

Re:Other issues (2, Insightful)

pebs (654334) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272474)

Holy crap, why didn't you just talk to your neighbor to begin with? Talk about passive aggressive. The real moron here is the one who couldn't get the laptop to ignore a wifi network.

Re:Other issues (-1, Flamebait)

Sandbags (964742) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272832)

Honestly, because he was a punk a-hole with a loud ass truck, loud ass friends, and we'd already had a few fights about how he (failed to) upkeep his yard and home.

Also, the HOA had sent letters out to all residents about 3 months earlier regarding securing open networks.

The drivers on that machine, regardless of the settings in XP, could not ignore a network for anything. Delte it and it came back, approve it but lower the priority and it would come back. Something about the logic looked for open networks and prioritized them first, then did additional searches listing secure networks, then finally looked for approved networks with hidden SSIDs it knew about. Since it would always find his first, it always connected. My other machines had no such issues. It was a GateWay POS...

Re:Other issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272478)

So in summary, you were being an asshole for your own kicks, when you clearly could have solved his problem and garnered goodwill. Instead you chose to dick with him repeatedly for days/weeks on end. He may be a "computer moron" but you're just a cruel jackass. As others have said, I too find it ironic that you call your neighbor a 'computer moron' and you couldn't prevent your wife's laptop from connecting to his network.

Re:Other issues (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272506)

So what you're saying is that you can't maintain control over your own computers and your neighbor is the dumbass?

If you really really couldn't convince your wife's laptop not to connect to random aps you need to get it fixed, replace it, or use an OS without such serious bugs.

Re:Other issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272570)

Once you've gotten over how "awesome" you are, you can read this article which discusses configuring wireless adapters on Windows XP.

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/wlan_client_configure.mspx?mfr=true [microsoft.com]

Rather than wasting time (yours, the neighbors, Best Buy's, tech support....) you can disable automatically connecting to non-preferred networks to fix your wife's security problem and annoyance. And then by telling your neighbor what's up, you reduce the attack surface in your neighborhood...

Re:Other issues (3, Insightful)

operagost (62405) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272612)

Your post is missing the part where you first told your neighbor about the problem and offered to fix his router for free-- you know, because it would have benefited both parties. I guess all the aggravation and wasted time and gas was worth $50, right? My mother-in-law had a similar problem (someone moved in who had a router with the same SSID on the same channel) so I changed the SSID, channel, and turned on WPA2 (which I had been looking for an excuse to do for some time).

I've never had the problem you describe with XP. I set the rogue SSID to manual connect, and it never bothers me.

Re:Other issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272626)

I did everything I could to make XP either forget or disregard his network, but it would not. Something in XP (even after re-installation), simply insisted on connecting to his SSID over my secure one.

I've had other neighbors who were complete morons too.

Okay.

Re:Other issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272808)

youre a real asshole. what do you do that you have so much time to harass and your neighbor? have you thought about taking up a constructive hobby?would it have been so hard to let him know what was going on and help him secure it, passing on your knowledge/being halfway decent instead of wasting his time and money? i feel sorry for your wife, she must have really low self esteem to put up with someone as petty as you. this whole story is probably made up anyway.

Sounds like a job for a VAP (1)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272158)

Finally, a fun use for my wifi card's VAP functionality =D.

My SSID is BALLNASTY (2, Funny)

L3370 (1421413) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272174)

It's questionably vulgar. And I know all my neighbors are seeing this.

The best thing about the name was when my girlfriends mother stayed over for vacation. She brought her laptop and asked for the name of our WiFi network. My girlfriend said it to her in a mumbling embarrassed tone.

Spaces are allowed in SSIDs (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272220)

SSIDs are up to 32 characters long and may contain any 8-bit character you want. There is no need to CamelCase or justconcatenateitall. If you're going to be passive-aggressive instead of (or in addition to) simply securing your access point, at least make your message readable. IMHO, anyone offering OR using unsecured wireless LANs without proper encryption on top gets what they deserve.

Easy ways to put people off (1)

asdf7890 (1518587) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272278)

On of the APs local to me is called "IWillSniffYourPackets" or some such (I'm not at home right now to check). For the time that my SSID was not hidden (for some reason the old man's laptop refused to connect to the AP if the name wasn't visible, a problem that went away when the AP died and was replaced) I used "ReceptionError" figuring people would bypass a secured AP with a name that implied it wouldn't work in favour of the unsecured one called "Netgear" that was in the vicinity.

better yet (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272284)

ifYouPasswordProtectYourNetworkIllStopUsingYourInternet

Did anyone notice.... (1)

bickerdyke (670000) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272330)

some of these screenshotes were made while beeing connected to the not open "passive-agressive" networks...

Convo with SSID (2, Interesting)

zcold (916632) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272356)

This is funny only because I once had a conversation with someone using SSID. It was back and forth quips everyday about how my house is better than theirs and so on and so forth.. I realized how incredibly interesting it was to have a "conversation" with SSIDs and how incredibly geeky it was..

Seriously? (1)

d34dluk3 (1659991) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272396)

there is now a better solution than suffering in silence

This is the better solution!? Who the hell that's on /. doesn't know how to name their hotspot!?

In my vicinity... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272426)

...there's an AP called "banislam". I find it agreeable. I also love censorship. Don't you, /.?

A dupe, and not even a good one (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272558)

We've seen this before, ways to push people away from your WiFi without actually securing it. But previously we had creative things to do with the users, like reversing their pages or directing everything to pictures of kittens. This isn't anywhere nearly as inspired.

I HATE your fucking yappy-ass dogs! (0, Offtopic)

EXrider (756168) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272592)

My primary SSID is WPA2 encrypted, but I have an open one called I HATE your fucking yappy-ass dogs! that redirects all requests to daisy.com [daisy.com] ; as a shoutout to all my dumbfuck neighbors that buy multiple dogs and leave them outside yapping for hours at a time. Thanks DD-WRT!

Oblig. bash.org quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272600)

(Mootar) morons.
(Mootar) these people who live in my apartment complex are connected to my wireless
(Mootar) they must think they're super-cool hackers by breaking into my completely unsecure network
(Mootar) unfortunately, the connection works both ways
(Mootar) long story short, they now have loads of horse porn on their computer

Wacky college students in our condo complex (1)

Abies Bracteata (317438) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272666)

Their wireless hot-spot celebrates "Toby's" partying habits with this SSID: "Toby has a drinking problem"

the goatsenet (1)

vekrander (1400525) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272738)

If I'm feeling like a real jerk, I'll name my SSID to goatsenet and forward google.com to goatse, msn to lemonparty and so on. If enough people do this, in the future, simply naming your network goatsenet will be deterrent enough.

why rename and not secure? (1)

rkchang (1011975) | more than 4 years ago | (#31272776)

I would expect that the most obvious Wi-Fi networks to hop onto are those named "linksys," "netgear," "d-link," etc. If someone knows enough to rename their Wi-Fi network, then theoretically, they should also know how to set up even just a little bit of security. Seriously, even though WEP, WPA, etc. are not perfect, it's a lot better than no security at all.

why not make some cache? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31272826)

Wouldn't it be better to redirect them through some sort of rotating proxy list each with a URL to one of your ads?

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