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FlightGear Reaches v2.0

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the on-wings-of-eagles dept.

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distantbody writes "The flight sim project FlightGear has reached version 2.0. From the website: 'Highlights of this new version include: Dramatic new 3D clouds, dramatic lighting conditions, improved support for custom scenery, and many many new and detailed aircraft models.' Full list of improvements here. And of course the screenshots. The release coincides with the release of SimGear v2, the 'set of open-source libraries designed to be used as building blocks for quickly assembling 3d simulations, games, and visualization applications' on which FlightGear is based."

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FlightGear reaches up your ass! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31296276)

It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality', which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to paedophilia.

What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

  • Linus Torvalds [microsoft.com] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
  • Richard M. Stallman [archive.org] , spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
  • Alan Cox [microsoft.com] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [goatse.fr] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [microsoft.com] , which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'

As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [salon.com] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.

And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [comp-u-geek.net] slut [rotten.com] !

Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [goatse.fr] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [slashdot.org] . To quote from the article linked:

'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

Is this why you were touching your penis [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [goatse.fr] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual [goatse.fr] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.

Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.

In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware [redhat.com] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual [goatse.fr] practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake [slackware.com] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.

Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals [goatse.fr] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, [mandrake.com] an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis [rotten.com] , glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual [goatse.fr] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.

And Red Hat [debian.org] is secret homo [comp-u-geek.net] slang for the tip of a penis [rotten.com] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.

The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other [comp-u-geek.net] automatically.

The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously/anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.

More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.

Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherent gayness. For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [amiga.com] users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!

Even the title 'Slashdot [geekizoid.com] ' originally referred to a homosexual [goatse.fr] practice. Slashdot [kuro5hin.org] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [goatse.fr] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.eff.org/ [eff.org] .

The editors of Slashdot [slashduh.org] also have homosexual [goatse.fr] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [pboy.com] . (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis [rotten.com] discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot [notslashdot.org] runs on Apache!

The Apache [microsoft.com] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [goatse.fr] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.

And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.

To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS [apple.com] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'

FEEDBACK

What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [comp-u-geek.net] -calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.

You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [goatse.fr] child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!

you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you. -- mighty jebus [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [bodysnatchers.co.uk] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator [hitler.org] .

ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [rotten.com] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [zillabunny.com] .

Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?) -- double_h [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 [xbox.com] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!

dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT [linux.com] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [atheism.org] . Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.

Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man [stileproject.com] . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.

And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them. -- phee [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [python.org] (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'

One scary thing about Perl [sun.com] is that it contains hidden homosexual [goatse.fr] messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual [goatse.fr] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'

And PHP [perl.org] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?

Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa. -- Eimernase [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual [goatse.fr] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.

That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

*sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [atheism.org] 's work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.

However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)

In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.

Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [slashdot.org] . Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???

If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!

It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [catholic.net] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.

As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.

I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman [archive.org] .

Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

What the fuck?

I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [comp-u-geek.net] tend to be full of. Thank you again. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well bugger me!

ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Fuck right off!

IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [linux.org] , which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain [icopyright.com] . You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [apple.com] (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [rotten.com] cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat [adultmember.com] , but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.

Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.

Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.

Current changes: This version sent to FreeWIPO [slashdot.org] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?

Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.

ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!

Re:FlightGear reaches up your ass! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31296378)

exactly what I was thinking

Great work, FlightGear team! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31296306)

I just want to give a huge THANKS to the FlightGear team. They've put out an excellent flight sim that rivals commercial offerings. It's amazingly fun to play.

What's more interesting, I've heard to some projects in Japan where they use it to make a hentai simulators. The SimGear framework is just that flexible.

Re:Great work, FlightGear team! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31296400)

Hentai simulators? What's that, tentacle porn on an airplane?

Re:Great work, FlightGear team! (4, Funny)

bami (1376931) | more than 4 years ago | (#31297156)

Enough is enough! I've had it with these motherfucking tentacles on this motherfucking plane!

Re:Great work, FlightGear team! (1)

BlueBlasphemy (696732) | more than 4 years ago | (#31301920)

Cthulu on a Plane?

Re:Great work, FlightGear team! (1)

ooshna (1654125) | more than 4 years ago | (#31299054)

Thats Samuel L. Jackson's next movie "Tentacles on a muthafuckin' Plane"

Re:Great work, FlightGear team! (1)

ooshna (1654125) | more than 4 years ago | (#31299064)

Damn it always being redundant and late.

Re:Great work, FlightGear team! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31296518)

FlightGear has a long way to go before it can rival Microsoft Flight Simulator X.

Re:Great work, FlightGear team! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31296748)

FlightGear is still being maintained.

Re:Great work, FlightGear team! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31297348)

Which isn't something I would boast about. The final version of a simulator that was released years ago and no longer has a development team is still better than a new version of a simulator that was just released and is regularly maintained.

I'm not saying that FlightGear sucks, far from it. It's just not rivaling the benchmark of flight simulators yet.

Re:Great work, FlightGear team! (4, Informative)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | more than 4 years ago | (#31298338)

We get your point. However I don't know about FSX being 'better' in much other than graphics and community size. FlightGear and X-Plane may not be as pretty as FSX when the latter has all the options turned up but at least they are playable on regular hardware. FSX is a *total dog* on anything less than ultra-expensive hardware and even then you still can't turn everything up to ultra. Plus FSX doesn't work on anything other than Windows, unlike X-Plane or FlightGear. I also personally found the flight model of FSX to feel wrong compared to my own real world flying - it feels 'hackily optimised' for the sake of performance (the usual MS story I guess). X-Plane has a much more realistic feel when you spin or stall-turn. For example the flight path marker on the Acceleration F-18 doesn't work right. I guess plenty of people have not flown in real life and so can't tell how crap FSX really is compared to the suposedly 'inferior' competitors. Finally. Longevity does matter. The Tortoise wins the race, not the Hare. So far MS has been the tortoise, improving SubLogic FlightSim continually even when it was initially inferior to other sims at various stages. Now MS have growth woes and they've dropped the ball on FSX. The golden days of FlightSimulator are over and they're not coming back. I'm afraid you'll have to get used to it - I'd suggest trying X-Plane or FlightGear.

Re:Great work, FlightGear team! (3, Insightful)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 4 years ago | (#31299090)

Have you seen x-plane 9? It beats MSFS in every way, including graphics now.

Re:Great work, FlightGear team! (1)

Scoth (879800) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311608)

X-Plane's biggest problem now is lack of scenery. Everything is in place for it to be premier - Terrain, planes, flight model accuracy, etc. But there's still quite limited "landmark" scenery, and a lot of the best is payware. MSFS has had, for a good couple decades now, readily available scenery for major cities with all sorts of recognizable landmarks and every release has added more. I still fly X-Plane a ton more, but I still fire up MSFS when I want to do some sight-seeing. It's really the last thing holding back X-Plane.

I've also been involved in the X-P community for awhile now, and the lead author, Austin Meyer, can be a bit... eccentric, in a Jobsian sort of way.

Re:Great work, FlightGear team! (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 3 years ago | (#31323612)

I have not tried X9 but one of the big things that FS has going for it is the community.
I admit I am an odd FS user but I don't like flying fighters, bombers, or airliners in FS.
I love to fly GA and Homebuilts. There is a very good Aircamper for FS9.

Now you have me wondering just how hard it would be to make scenery for XP.

Re:Great work, FlightGear team! (1)

Scoth (879800) | more than 4 years ago | (#31325736)

X-P has a pretty decently tight-knit, if somewhat eccentric community. The main mailing list has a lot of older pilots (60-80 year olds) so it occasionally devolves into semi-OT stories from the 50s and even WWII. Even so it's fascinating.

There's a pretty decent planemaking community, but MSFS probably has a much wider range of random stuff available.

I haven't done any scenerymaking, but I'm told it's kind of a pain currently. The primary format changed awhile back and the dev tools haven't caught up yet. Ultimately I can't imagine it's too terribly difficult though.

Re:Great work, FlightGear team! (1)

Spit (23158) | more than 4 years ago | (#31341518)

X-Plane is a beautiful piece of software and even the generic terrain is great. And now that MSFS is defunct, scenery designers pretty much have no choice but to work for X-Plane in the longer term.

Lack of real landmark scenery can be a pain for VFR navigation, but then again it's a good way to get in tune with the panel if you want to land.

Re:Great work, FlightGear team! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#31314406)

I agree, I am an x-plane user and the visuals in x-plane are setting the standards now.

On the other hand, I have just given flightgear a try and I completely agree that its visuals have come a long way since the time when I last looked at it.But in many ways it is still not comparable to fsx or xplane, which is however understandable because they dont have dedicated teams that are paid to create all this eye candy stuff.

Yet, browsing the website there are obviously many nice airplanes and other neat artwork available.

But what is somewhat problematic from my point of view: the performance in fg is worse than in fsx or xplane, both of which having far more appealing visuals at the same time.

I am running this on a 64 bit quad core with each core having > 2 ghz, with 8 gb RAM and two nvidia GTX cards with each having 1024 MB graphics memory.
This machine is very capable, I can easily run all simulations or games out there and max up the settings (color depth, resolution, texture quality).

However flightgear, it merely runs with just 20-25 fps on this machine. That is a pity, given that I get a rock solid 60+ fps minimum in xplane with all effects enabled.

Using flightgear multiplayer, I am only getting 10-20 fps and the visuals become very jerky and laggy often times. using the autopilot on multiplayer is hardly possible because it will inevitably over-control or respond too late, it seems the autopilot is linked to the multiplayer system and does not get a sufficient update rate.

Maybe there is some undocumented way to tell flightgear to use all the computing power that it ovviously is not using in my case, but I dont know how to configure this and xplane and fsx both manage to adjust to the capabilities of the hardware without me having to explicitly enable anything.

also, anyone coming from fsx or xplane will be disappointed by flightgears apparent lack of airliners or biz jets with real glass cockpits. I mean while there appear to be very impressive GA aircraft (just check out the seneca!!), flightgear doesnt seem to provide a single jet with a working efis or autoflight system, is that really true??

There are some nice airliners available, but they have generic instruments and the glass stuff seems not functional. After all this is what many people keeps intereted in this sort of simulators. besides doing a cvs checkout to get all their aircraft may easily take an hour or longer, so they obviously have lots of airplane and I have only tried a handful so far.

weird enough, aircraft can apparently not be picked inside the simulator but must be configured before startup, which is the job of a separate gui tool ("flightgear launch control"), changing aircraft without exitnig the simulation does not seem supported yet. And then you are obviously also not able to save or load a flight in order to resume it later on. All of these are features that users from other simulators are used to.

many features that you are accustomed to having integrated directly into the simulator seem already available for flightgear, but here these are separate tools that need to be separate installed, configured and integrated with flightgear. this provides for a steep learning curve, even if you are a seasoned flight simmer or even a real pilot. Which is a pity.

Overall I do find this is very impressive work, but obviously it is not targeted at the flight simulation community, this piece of software is complicated and the user interface is not what you may be used to from other simulators.

People who are into software development or engineering may find this extremely powerful and useful, but people who are just users (or pilots) may find it complicated to apply their knowledge to use flightgear to its fullest potential, to the same extent they can use other simulators without configuring things by manually editing files or passing command line arguments to a program.

On the other hand I also find this aspect of high extendsiblity very appealing, the fact that a scripting language is provided to write extensions looks very powerful and useful to me and I would love to try this out one day, because it seems far superior to how fsx and xplane are doing things

being a strong proponent and supporter of open source software, I wish all the best to this impressive project and I will be sure to check out the next release as wlel

Re:Great work, FlightGear team! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31382106)

This is a known problem: http://flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7182

Re:Great work, FlightGear team! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31391474)

The performance issues are also discussed on the flightgear.org forums:
http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7202

Re:Great work, FlightGear team! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31300394)

And Microsoft Flight Sim X has a ways to go before it can match Fly 2 in any way except for graphics. For fidelity and accuracy of flight simulation and the completeness of simulating aircraft systems, Fly2 >>> MSFS.

MSFS tends to be used by people who just want a pretty view of the outside of the plane as they fly it along with game-like physics.

Re:Great work, FlightGear team! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31302416)

Give me a break, how many Flight Schools around the world deploy products other than MSFS? An insignificant number, that's what.

Already 503'd (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31296310)

Wow. First-ish post and I am already seeing 503 errors from the "Recent Announcement" links.
Maybe they crashed their own servers prior to this getting submitted in anticipation of /.?

Re:Already 503'd (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31296394)

Maybe they crashed their own servers prior to this getting submitted in anticipation of /.?

Pun intended?

slashdotted? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31296342)

Because the main site seems to be struggling, here's the wikipedia page [wikipedia.org] .

Their web server? (2, Insightful)

Das Auge (597142) | more than 4 years ago | (#31296360)

Crash and burn...

Re:Their web server? (3, Informative)

euyis (1521257) | more than 4 years ago | (#31296398)

FlightGear planes don't really burn or break up after a crash...

Re:Their web server? (4, Informative)

Nuskrad (740518) | more than 4 years ago | (#31296462)

FlightGear planes don't really burn or break up after a crash

According to the Wikipedia article, starting fires when planes crash is a new feature of 2.0.0

Re:Their web server? (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#31297000)

It's a flight simulator, not a crash simulator.

Re:Their web server? (1)

jamesh (87723) | more than 4 years ago | (#31300380)

It's a flight simulator, not a crash simulator.

But how can you have one with out the other? Crashing is an important part of flying, equally important to any other aspect of a simulator. Or at least it is when I play.

Re:Their web server? (2, Insightful)

Elektroschock (659467) | more than 4 years ago | (#31297046)

I mean honestly, who expected Flightgear to take the place of FlightSimulator... That is the advantage of such open source software. It develops.

Re:Their web server? (2, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#31297534)

Flight Simulator 4 let you turn of crash detection, so your plane wasn't wrecked when you flew it into the ground. If you aimed straight downwards and opened the throttle, the game would crash instead of the plane (more accurately, it would enter an infinite loop trying to work out where the plane should be, and not respond to user input). Apparently this was a feature.

Re:Their web server? (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 4 years ago | (#31297860)

Did they fix it in 4.0c? Because I recall doing exactly that and the plane just bouncing.

Re:Their web server? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31300030)

I used to own a copy of FS 4.0 also and don't ever remember the game crashing like that either.

Re:Their web server? (1)

Scoth (879800) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311632)

Never ran into this either in 4.0, though given the nature of airplane flight it'd be pretty tricky to hit the ground at *exactly* straight down. I was pretty young and definitely tried out all the different ways of crashing things.

Re:Their web server? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31299844)

They've gotta learn that before you post something big to slashdot you'd better put a torrent link up...

stuff that matters? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31296396)

gaming trumps the world shaking to pieces any day. carry on

Their servers are soaring (1)

ElMiguel (117685) | more than 4 years ago | (#31296402)

Much like the Hindenburg.

And MirrorDot seems to be down, too.

I hear there's a madrassa in Saudi Arabia... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31296414)

...that's already working on the 2.0.1 "Glorious Martyrs of the Lions of the Tigers of Almighty Allah Brigade" compile. The plane is full of Jews and infidels, there's nothing but plastic explosives in the cargo bay, and an audio loop of the Koran gets louder as you approach large buildings.

Coral (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31296428)

http://www.flightgear.org.nyud.net/Gallery-v2.0/
http://www.flightgear.org.nyud.net/announce.html#v2.0.0

How good is it ? (1)

Dolphinzilla (199489) | more than 4 years ago | (#31296430)

Seems interesting, I guess the download has been disabled for now... So how does it stack up against X-Plane ??

YouTube (1)

Das Auge (597142) | more than 4 years ago | (#31296564)

Here's a video showing a (I guess) Harrier Jump Jet and the new clouds [youtube.com] . A blood red sky [youtube.com] .

It looks alright. Though the textures lack detail and look a little cartoonish for it. I've downloaded it to my Ubuntu PC at home via Vino, and I'll give it a try tonight when I get home.

Re:YouTube (2, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 4 years ago | (#31297500)

Is it just me or do the clouds have massive depth-sorting problems at 1 minute 45 seconds...?

Re:YouTube (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31298566)

Yes, also notice the aircraft seems to be drawn on top of all the clouds, even when you are flying through them.

Re:YouTube (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31297612)

I agree it does need some polishing texture wise. I was blown away how good Ace Combat 6 looks on my Xbox 360. Of course it is less of a true simulator.

Video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-tqMBwNlqM

Re:YouTube (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31298912)

They've still got the same problem that arcade racing games on a PC have. The vehicle is rotating around a specific point. And it doesn't work like that. It looks...wrong.

Never mind the plastic skin look.

My apologies for a threadjack. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31296616)

I've asked this via email but I've yet to get a response. Can anyone tell me where the *#&$ the option to show all posts has gone? I like to read *all* of the replies to an article, no matter what the rating, but there are always a bunch hidden that I can't seem to get to no matter what I do. What am I doing wrong? This new layout is really annoying me to no end.

Re:My apologies for a threadjack. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31296642)

Disable java script or use noscript or something. This new slashdot sucks balls, you have to click every second instead of just leisurely hitting the spacebar while your other hand fingers your anus.

Re:My apologies for a threadjack. (1)

QuoteMstr (55051) | more than 4 years ago | (#31297188)

Huh? Something changed?

I've been using the classic discussion interface for over a decade. Switch to it through "help/preferences" -> "preferences" -> "discussions" -> "viewing".

Re:My apologies for a threadjack. (1, Offtopic)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 4 years ago | (#31298114)

The classic discussion interface has changed too, it's actually more buggy than the 2.0 one at this point since apparently Slashdot hasn't heard of "regression testing".

All of the following buggy screenshots were taken with discussion 1.0 turned on:

http://schend.net/images/screenshots/slashdot/cant_save_prefs.png [schend.net]
http://schend.net/images/screenshots/slashdot/email_options.png [schend.net]
http://schend.net/images/screenshots/slashdot/floating_div_corrupted.png [schend.net]
http://schend.net/images/screenshots/slashdot/floating_div_font_size.png [schend.net]
http://schend.net/images/screenshots/slashdot/people_modifiers_cutoff.png [schend.net]
http://schend.net/images/screenshots/slashdot/post_headers.png [schend.net]
http://schend.net/images/screenshots/slashdot/post_reply_buttons.png [schend.net]
http://schend.net/images/screenshots/slashdot/reply_button_with_growths.png [schend.net] (My particular favorite, still unfixed-- looking at it right now as I post!)
http://schend.net/images/screenshots/slashdot/sectional_options.png [schend.net]
http://schend.net/images/screenshots/slashdot/section_collapsed.png [schend.net]
http://schend.net/images/screenshots/slashdot/slashdot_idle_comments.png [schend.net]
http://schend.net/images/screenshots/slashdot/slashdot_idle_template.png [schend.net]
http://schend.net/images/screenshots/slashdot/slashdot_user_template.png [schend.net]
http://schend.net/images/screenshots/slashdot/thread_outline.png [schend.net]
http://schend.net/images/screenshots/slashdot/weird_blue_oval.png [schend.net]

Anyway, the lesson learned here is that Slashdot is extremely buggy. All those images come from bug reports I've entered against it... very, very few of them have been fixed. (Maybe 2 or 3 of the entire lot? I'm too lazy to log into SourceForce, the worst bug tracking tool in the universe, to check.)

I submitted all those bugs in response to an editor who complained that I was griping about Slashdot without helping the project in any way. So I put in the bugs to help the project, and gasp shock amaze, Slashdot still sucks ass. Consider that a win for my side.

The other lesson learned here is don't bother to submit bug reports against Slashdot, like most open source projects they simply do not give a fuck about user-submitted bugs. Your time would be more productively spent smashing your forehead into a wall.

Re:My apologies for a threadjack. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31298800)

And yet here you are...

Re:My apologies for a threadjack. (1)

b4dc0d3r (1268512) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311816)

I have a bunch of other errors, and collecting more as time goes on. The requirement to register and enter bugzilla when you're just trying to browse the site and give a real bug report should be telling. If they didn't have so many bugs, they'd not mind a stray e-mail or two describing what's happening. Nope, they can't keep up with that, so users have to do it. And just wait in case someone feels like fixing it. This goes back to well before I had an account.

Most open-source fans I know read slashdot to keep up with tech news... but how can we support a site that doesn't support us?

Re:My apologies for a threadjack. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31349950)

Just so you know, the weird oval depicted here: http://schend.net/images/screenshots/slashdot/weird_blue_oval.png [schend.net]

That oval is supposed to hold a '!', enabling you to tag it as "not this" basically. I believe this one has been corrected recently, or at least has in my browser.

Re:My apologies for a threadjack. (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 4 years ago | (#31350210)

Yah I know, except at the time I took that screenshot:
1) The font color and background color were nearly identical, making it impossible to see the !. (Unless YOU can see it in that screenshot, maybe you have a better monitor than mine.)
2) The rollover was implemented in such a way that it was completely impossible to click it. The instant you moved your mouse towards it to click it, it would disappear.

Like I said, some of those bugs have been fixed (although the bugs in the bugtracker have never been *marked* as fixed.) Slashdot development is basically a classic Developmestuction Environment: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The_Developmestuction_Environment.aspx [thedailywtf.com]

Not in Ubuntu repos (1)

gilgongo (57446) | more than 4 years ago | (#31296622)

"On Ubuntu, FlightGear can now be installed using the "synaptic" tool"

Nope. It's on 1.9.1-1ubuntu1 as far as I can see.

Re:Not in Ubuntu repos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31297494)

That's probably because Ubuntu's repos are horribly out of date.

Re:Not in Ubuntu repos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31302244)

I'm downloading it right now through synaptic. Check your sources. I think you have to check "3rd party" in the sources tab in order to find it.

Dramatic! (1)

markdavis (642305) | more than 4 years ago | (#31296704)

That's like, dramatic! :)

Seriously, Flightgear is a great game. Congrats!

Re:Dramatic! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31299754)

Don't be trollin', it's not a game.

nice stuff! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31296792)

But which plane sim going to implement snake simulation first?

Graphics (1)

electrosoccertux (874415) | more than 4 years ago | (#31297030)

My first question is-- what is wrong with this guy's face?
http://www.flightgear.org/Gallery-v2.0/target32.html [flightgear.org]

My second question is--
What's he got in his hand?????

Re:Graphics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31297138)

I haven't tried the game, for all I know it's fun, but the graphics definitely look like something straight out of 1998. If they want to get a big audience for this project, a lot of people do care about graphics, and they should update their engine to something modern.

Re:Graphics (1)

bami (1376931) | more than 4 years ago | (#31297440)

1) A combination of automatic smoothing groups and a planar UVW map (in other words: lazy modelling)
2) A joystick. I hope not the one out of his pants.

And, it still sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31297488)

Barely runs, even on a high-end system. No different from 1.9.1.

windows only (3, Interesting)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 4 years ago | (#31298126)

and they forget to mention, version 2.0 is only available for windows. the linux and mac versions are still at 1.9.x.

Re:windows only (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31298310)

Obviously they don't generate the packages for the linux distros, if you need the packages you need to wait the distro packager.
But you can compile it from source on Linux. Probably Arch and Gentoo will have it updated very soon.

Re:windows only (2, Insightful)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 4 years ago | (#31298572)

why obviously? they generated a windows dist. that's the attitude that keeps linux from moving forward on the desktop ... telling people they need to compile it from source before they can use it.

Re:windows only (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31298976)

Ok, the problem is that the packages have their own mantainers for each distro.
There is an advantage, they do not need to lose time creating the binaries for linux, since this can be handled by others.
But you are right, they should at least maintain one distro package.
Just keep in mind this is not a Linux problem. I'm a linux user, not 'the Linux' myself.
Linux packagers will need to update simgear and flightgear, and others if needed (the data).
For Windows I believe its that dynamic library hell yet, or probably a big static blob. It is your choice, no one forces you to use linux.

Re:windows only (1)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 4 years ago | (#31299298)

Lets think about it like we have a brain.

A) Most Linux users are capable of compiling their own apps, its rather common since most Linux distros come with a compiler, and you've almost certainly compiled things in the past for that app that doesn't work right on your distro or in your setup or whatever it happens to be due to the millions of possible combinations of distros and base software distrubtions, you can assume nothing about the environment you'll be running in when you distributed compiled binaries 'for Linux'. Packages for a specific distro are another matter, much easier to deal with for a particular version.

B) Most windows users don't have a compiler installed, this is another indication that of A, that its expected that Linux users can compile.

C) Even between the 7 or 8 versions of Windows from 95 to now, compatibility between them is still rather high, especially if you use the proper system calls to lookup various paths. Simply not true with Linux. Linux has in several different 'system' level subsystems which can be swapped out with several completely different unrelated implementations that may or may not work anything like the original, whatever that was depending on distro. If you don't understand why thats hard to target, then you have no right making the comments you are making.

D) For every potential Linux user of FlightGear, there are 10s of thousands of Windows simulator fans. The effort to produce one compiled binary for all of the Windows user is tiny from a potential per user standpoint. Linux suffers from a much smaller user base, fragmented across several different distros with their own quirks.

E) In this particular case, the primary developer of the Windows port got his binaries made and posted first, now you're waiting on other distro package maintainers to do their job. This is how the OSS development model works when keeping up with Linux, if you don't like it, I suggest using an alternative that is more popular and likely to be higher on the list of priorities.

As has been stated by pretty much every professional development company in the world, targeting Linux for desktop apps is a freaking nightmare that just isn't worth the effort.

I don't buy games when they come out anymore, they are a rip off at the price point they sell them and full of crappy DRM and new things now to try and force everyone to buy a copy new rather than trading or buying/selling used.

I don't bitch about not getting games soon enough because I have special requirements that others don't have. I just wait till the games come down in price, have already been patched for all the major problems they rushed and ignored during the initial release, my hardware is generally more than adequate since the games are generally a year old before I buy them so I'm usually running on new enough gear.

If you choose to ignore the mainstream, and take the a ride with the little guy or the non-standard path, you kinda have to expect that its going to be a rougher ride.

Linux isn't going to change in this aspect. Developers don't give a shit about you, they care about them and what they want. They can compile. Until you motivate them to care more about you than their wishes, its not going to change. So the only devs really working on what end users want are going to be working at companies like IBM, which while it does put a fair amount of effort into Linux dev, it doesn't put in enough to 'fix' that problem by itself.

As long as Linux remains community driven, it will remain with issues like these, there is 0 motivation for anything else to happen, and there simply aren't enough educated/talented developers out there who have low enough self esteem to spend their free time making someone else happy rather working on the things they enjoy working on, and far far too few (myself included) give a shit about making it easier for YOU to install something. If it works for me, its good enough, heres the patch, someone else can fix it for themselves if they want it. Welcome to OSS, get used to it.

Re:windows only (3, Insightful)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 4 years ago | (#31299624)

A) Most Linux users are capable of compiling their own apps, its rather common since most Linux distros come with a compiler, and you've almost certainly compiled things in the past for that app that doesn't work right on your distro or in your setup or whatever it happens to be due to the millions of possible combinations of distros and base software distrubtions, you can assume nothing about the environment you'll be running in when you distributed compiled binaries 'for Linux'. Packages for a specific distro are another matter, much easier to deal with for a particular version.

got news for you the vast majority of Linux users do not know how to do this anymore... most distros do not need you to get down and dirty in the command line to install software... the package will be there in the repositories, not necessarily the absolute latest, but a recent stable one.

Re:windows only (0, Troll)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 4 years ago | (#31299904)

you need to cut down on your testosterone injections.

i'm curious, did you my OP? i said this is what holds linux back from being a mainstream desktop. you are right, most linux users can compile, but the other 99.9% of desktop users can't, and this is just one more reason why they won't choose linux. so yes, you proved my point well thanks.

regardless, maybe you have all the time the world sitting in your parents' basement without a job or girlfriend, but other people have lives and regardless of whether they *can* compile, they don't want to spend their precious free time compiling the apps and games they need.

Re:windows only (1)

Anrego (830717) | more than 4 years ago | (#31300790)

this is what holds linux back from being a mainstream desktop

And in my opinion, well it should!

For Linux to appeal to the common user, stuff has to just work without needing a proxy to make it work for them (i.e. package maintainers) or getting it to work themselves (i.e. compiling it). For this to work, Linux has to become standardized.. so that people don't have to worry about supporting my favourite stack vs some other gentoo (or other distro) user's.

And then you basically just have a cheaper, more open version of windows.

Personally I see Linux as a playground. I can mess around with stuff.. write custom patches.. play with different implementations of core tools.. etc. It's not productive, or even sane.. but I enjoy it.

Call me selfish.. but I miss the days where unless you were a hard core geek..you'd never even hear the name "Linux". I'd rather a relatively unheard of Linux than a ubiquitous Linux in the Ubuntu vision.

You want something that just works.. get windows.. or a mac! (Seriously.. not trolling.. I think either are good if you want to just come home at the end of the day and have a usable computer)

Re:windows only (1)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 4 years ago | (#31302500)

I debated whether to mod this flamebait due to the obvious flamebait parts of your post, but mixed into the unfounded insults you actually make a salient point, so I'll respond to the valid point instead.

The reason distros are out there is to make installs easy. Each distro manager takes applications they want to support and builds an installer that suits their distro for each application. This means that someone who understands and maintains the distro has compiled the application and confirmed that it uses dependent objects that are compatible with other dependencies required by the other applications they support. The problem is that software uses common libraries (Windows calls them DLLs) and changing the underlying library to accommodate one bit of software can break another. Windows and Linux approach that problem in markedly different ways.

Linux users used to install a lot of their own software manually. Anyone can still do it, and many do, but if you have a dependency on a specific bit of supporting software, you can break existing software by upgrading that dependency for your new software. But the same is true of a bit of Windows software that overwrites a DLL that other software is dependent on.

Repositories solve this problem in Linux by marking software with metadata indicating what it depends on, and what specific versions of each dependency are required. If you upgrade a dependency and it will break compatibility with other software you have installed, the repository will warn you of this.

Windows is only available as one set of underlying system services, and they are by and large compatible. But updates to those system services can and do break existing software packages, and since Windows lacks a repository it's a harder problem to solve, so it's largely just ignored, and sometimes it causes problems.

Since Microsoft does not do software repositories, but has a pretty standard install base, the authors of FlightGear can build a Microsoft version that can be installed today. There is no guarantee that the version will be free of DLL conflicts since there is no central software repository to manage dependencies, but it'll probably work for the vast majority of Windows installs. No one at Microsoft has vetted the install, so good luck. It'll probably work. And it probably won't break anything else. But there's no one looking out for you on that.

Since Linux does have software and dependency repositories, and volunteers checking compatibility for your specific distro, it may take a little while for the repository manager of your favorite repo to download the source from the FlightGear team, check dependencies, and make sure it will compile on your distro. He/she may need to upgrade a few dependencies and update some other software to be compatible with that new dependency. But once it's done, you can be assured that the install will work, all the tools you need to run it will be available, and it won't break any software you have installed today.

If you're eager and willing, you can download the source yourself, put it in a folder, and type MAKE, then find any dependencies it needs and resolve them yourself.

You can also add FlightGear's repository which will allow you to install 2.0 right now, and will warn you about compatibility problems with any existing dependencies you may have today. That's very much like a Windows install, except you get a warning if you are about to break compatibility with some software you have installed today.

Re:windows only (1)

redkazuo (977330) | more than 4 years ago | (#31299570)

It's obvious because Windows doesn't have distros or package managers, the installation system is not a pleasant experience, but it's pretty much unified across most windows flavors.

Linux, on the other hand, has many different installation systems. It's not reasonable to ask of the developers to create several distinct packages that would probably get rejected by the package system maintainers anyway.

They could provide an installer to x32, but it's not encouraged by many distros to install things that way, and it still would leave out people on different platforms and require lots of libraries at specific versions.

Re:windows only (1)

ploxiln (1114367) | more than 4 years ago | (#31333410)

So, I'm only getting to reading this some days late, but...
flightgear was updated to 2.0 in the archlinux repositories on the same day you made this comment:
http://www.archlinux.org/packages/?q=flightgear [archlinux.org]

Personally I don't mind that linux doesn't "move forward" quite the same way windows and mac does. On linux, I can get whatever I want right now, or if I don't care that much I can wait a while and get it automatically. On windows and mac, I can't really get exactly what I want either way. Well I guess I could, but hacking closed-source and non-configurable binaries is way more work than I want to get into (with props to vlite / nlite / osx86 project).

not great (1)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 4 years ago | (#31298154)

installed (version 1.9.1) on linux. constant crackling from my speakers. when i tried to quit, it hung. used the little "kill window" utility, and it left a process running that was burning up my CPU. all in all not a great experience.

Re:not great (2, Informative)

CharlieThePilot (1721810) | more than 4 years ago | (#31298672)

Hold your horses... the new linux version is usually available a few days after the Windows builds.

can you (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31299206)

shoot and bomb shit? what use is a flight sim if you can't shoot and bomb shit?

A suggestion (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31299412)

If you're going to post to Slashdot saying "Come download our new version!", do us all a favor and set up a torrent and a tracker.

Good Timing (1)

rat7307 (218353) | more than 4 years ago | (#31299586)

Just bought a new PC for a dedicated Sim box, so the timing is perfect.

FG 1.9.1 sound was a bit buggy on my old 2.8GHz Arch system, and I figure the old Celeron needed replacing.

I'm learning to fly right now and I find the flight model in FG is mostly accurate (the niggles I have are minor and not that important), and given MS have dumped Flight Simulator it looks like more focus will be on FlightGear and XPlane.

(I really upgraded my box for XPlane, but I have been using Flightgear for years on and off)

Here's hoping more people get behind it and bring more planes and scenery on board (and tools to make them!)

Re:Good Timing (1)

multisync (218450) | more than 4 years ago | (#31307706)

I'm going to be putting together a new system soon to be used primarily for simming, and I'm curious about the specs of your new system, and how it's performed with the sim software you've run on it. I'm currently running FS9 and Orbiter an older Athlon system. I want to upgrade so I can run FSX and X-Plane. Any advise you can share from your upgrade experience would be appreciated.

Maps? (1)

Osmosis_Garett (712648) | more than 4 years ago | (#31300050)

Its great to see them making advances in their software, but they'll never crack the casual market until they have some excellent or better land maps. Everyone I know who plays flight sims plans their routes around known land features and uses the flight as a way to enjoy the visuals. A relatively few people play to experience the 'real' flight physics over the 'real' appearance of flying past their house.

Anybody else?..... (1)

LVSlushdat (854194) | more than 4 years ago | (#31302278)

Anybody else manage to download the Win32 version, then check the SHA sum against the listed sum given on the d/l webpage?? I'll wait and try downloading it again later...

TFA raises questions... (1)

Shadukar (102027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31310304)

Can clouds be dramatic at all ? Do they have to be 3d or can 2d clouds also be dramatic ?

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