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Google Enhances Street View With User Photos

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the pick-your-point-of-view dept.

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Google has launched a competitor or counterpart to Microsoft's Photosynth, which employs user-contributed photos of much-photographed sites to supplement the street-level view in an immersive way. Google's offering is called simply Navigate through User Photos, and unlike Photosynth — which requires Sliverlight and therefore is not available on Linux — is implemented in Flash. This YouTube video (also embedded at the link above) offers a quick tour of the new feature, which can use photos uploaded to Panoramico, Flickr, and Picasa.

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uh silverlight works in linux (4, Informative)

MushMouth (5650) | more than 4 years ago | (#31310798)

Try Moonlight.

http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight [mono-project.com]

Re:uhg silverlight works in linux (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31310834)

Run! It's a trap!

Re:uhg silverlight works in linux (4, Interesting)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311642)

I showed that link to my buddy. He responded with this link:
 
http://www.videosift.com/video/TED-Augmented-reality-using-Bing-maps
 
Which makes the google demo look like something from 1996 in comparison. (Skip ahead to the 4:20 mark for some jaw-dropping live video overlaid on top of 3D interior shots of pike place market, generated from user pics. Mix that sort of data with technology like this [youtube.com] and with enough computing power you could probably render a decent 3D model of the habitated world in a few weeks.

Re:uhg silverlight works in linux (1)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312166)

My, aren't you tardy to the party [slashdot.org] .

Re:uhg silverlight works in linux (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312350)

I missed it, or maybe it was CmdrTaco's description* that made me skip it. Either way, it's worth repeating.
 
*Actual description on /. front page - "This is a really exciting video and worth your 8 minutes."

Re:uhg silverlight works in linux (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312246)

It's good that we have both Microsoft and Google in the game now. For all the new "cool" and "hip" stuff each does to show off, the other side has to raise the stake higher, and ultimately we as users (of either service, doesn't really matter which one) get all that tasty stuff.

I'm not a libertarian, but free markets can work to the advantage of the society, given right conditions. This seems to be one of those cases.

Re:uhg silverlight works in linux (1)

Michael Kristopeit (1751814) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312262)

it isn't about free markets working to the advantage of anyone... it's about unfree markets working to the destruction of everyone.

who said you were libertarian?

Re:uhg silverlight works in linux (1)

gangien (151940) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312900)

but free markets can work to the advantage of the society, given right conditions. This seems to be one of those cases.

and technology is one of the areas with the least amount of government involved. This is not a coincidence.

Re:uhg silverlight works in linux (4, Informative)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312790)

Which makes the google demo look like something from 1996 in comparison. (Skip ahead to the 4:20 mark for some jaw-dropping live video overlaid on top of 3D interior shots of pike place market, generated from user pics.

The video you are referring to is a demo that required a guy with a camera to stream live for the presentation. Google's system actually works right now.

MS is superb at giving tech demos. They are even better at timing them to most strongly attack their opponents. But what they are awful at is delivering. Until MS gets enough cameras placed everywhere so that you can reasonably expect, even if primarily only in metropolitan areas, that they will have a camera view you can access, it's just going to be a cool gimmick that will have a camera on the Eiffel Tower, and one at Times Square, and maybe three in Seattle.

As of right now, they don't even have *one* set up anywhere.

It's fairly impressive, however, the way MS has this down to an art. They show this cool tech off, and everyone remembers how cool it is, and now existing products have to compete against an imaginary MS product that doesn't even exist and will most likely not exist any time soon.

They tried this with Surface when the iPhone debuted. That backfired, but even so, Suface, the demo, is damned cool. Surface, the reality, is a gimmick.

Re:uhg silverlight works in linux (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312832)

I don't claim to be a MS fanboy, I only run XP for games; my laptops/netbooks all run ubuntu. Had any other company in the world released this you wouldn't have commented the way you did. Did you see how the user videos were overlaid right overtop of the existing data?? In google it's just a black, blank canvas (try looking up under the eiffle tower in paris). Who cares if you need a live feed to do that? Their system is infinitely more extensible than google's currently is. As for releasing tech demos, this was done right through their current map beta, which anyone can use. It's not vaporware.

Re:uhg silverlight works in linux (1)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313702)

Had any other company in the world released this you wouldn't have commented the way you did.

Correct, as Microsoft is the only high profile tech company that engages in such behavior time and time again. It's in the company's DNA.

IBM used to act in the same way, so I suppose were we to transport ourselves to the 60s, I'd respond similarly to them. But were in the 10s now, and MS has been the smoke-and-mirrors king for the past 30 years.

I also give MS kudos for the things they get right, so don't try to paint me as some sort of anti-MS troll. If you read my post through at least once, you'll notice I mention how cool the tech itself actually is (same for surface). What I'm criticizing them for is for not actually having a product where this is in use. This tech demo is clearly MS trying to get people to stop using Google, and switch to Bing. I don't hold that against them. What I hold against them is that they're pulling the same trick, yet again.

So now people remember seeing this cool video, and they forget that it's not a real product, so when Google comes out with an actual product, some jackass like yourself comes out with, "this Google product sucks, that MS thing that I saw in a video for a product that doesn't even exist is way better!"

On the other hand, if MS actually *does* get cameras everywhere (reasonably speaking), then I'll definitely agree with you, that theirs is a way more impressive product. But until then, I'm not stupid enough to believe that somehow this time MS is actually going to follow through. They've used up all their good will. From now on it's "show me the goods or STFU".

As for releasing tech demos, this was done right through their current map beta, which anyone can use. It's not vaporware.

Then surely you have a URL to a live camera feed like that in the TED talk?

Re:uhg silverlight works in linux (1)

slim (1652) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313704)

I think the difference is that you can do the Google stuff in /your/ browser /now/.

We have to wait and see how much of the MS tech demo becomes available to the public, and in how diluted a form.

MS Photosynth was kinda neat, but nowhere near as impressive as it was in its demo. ("We reconstruct public spaces entirely out of images harvested from the web", becomes "Take a set of carefully coordinated photos, assemble them on your desktop, then upload the result to our servers")

Re:uhg silverlight works in linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313672)

Mix that sort of data with technology like this and with enough computing power you could probably render a decent 3D model of the habitated world in a few weeks.

3D modeling from photos and videos is going to happen sooner or later; it's a question of compute power, accuracy, data, and algorithmic improvements. But nobody has it quite worked out to the level where you can build a "decent 3D model".

Also be aware that almost all the technology in ProFORMA was known decades ago; the holdup has been putting it all together and having enough compute power to make it work just right.

Re:uhg silverlight works in linux (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313734)

I think all this technology has been around for decades (pretty much all the technology in Stephenson's Snow Crash is accessible through google or wikipedia in some way); it's just a matter of figuring out which pieces are most awesome with others, and then crafting them together in a usable and accessible fashion. Between 100mbps connections to the home and the amazing power of computers arriving in the next 5-10 years we'll probably have exhausted everything possible in 2D space, at which point walk-around 3D projection will be cheap enough to usher in the next group of 20-something garage startups like Microsoft Google and beyond.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (4, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31310858)

Moonlight has two drawbacks:
  • Moonlight is perpetually a version behind Microsoft Silverlight, resulting in Silverlight apps displaying only "your Silverlight plug-in is outdated".
  • Outside Microsoft, a major use for Silverlight is to stream video with digital restrictions management to make it significantly harder to save to the viewer's PC. Free software is fundamentally incompatible with this DRM.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (2, Interesting)

MushMouth (5650) | more than 4 years ago | (#31310944)

There is a silverlight 3 beta available which works about as well for me as flash 10. (both crash all the time on my linux 64 bit box)

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31311122)

which is still a version behind the silverlight 4 beta publicly available for windows then.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (4, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311178)

But that's only the Linux developers fault as they're lagging behind on the specs. The specs are out there to code it, you can't really blame MS for it.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (4, Insightful)

pherthyl (445706) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311254)

Sure you can. If Microsoft wants to replace Flash then they damn well should be supporting Linux. If they don't then they shouldn't be surprised that some people will avoid Silverlight. It's not the communities' job to do Microsoft's porting work for them, just like Adobe doesn't expect the community to write a Linux flash client.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311290)

Linux has so small market share on desktop that MS probably don't want to spend the money just for that and doesn't see it as threat in the Silverlight vs Flash game. Remember that there is a Mac OSX plug-in out by Microsoft.

There's official Flash plug-in for Linux because Adobe wants to keep Flash as proprietary and closed as possible. In this case Silverlight is actually better, as the specs are open and everyone is free to develop their plug-in/player etc.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (4, Interesting)

the_womble (580291) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311398)

The Flash SWF [adobe.com] format is open, and Adobe has a better track record than MS on open formats (PDF).

Linux is no-longer negligible in terms of market share. Its difficult to get numbers, but Ubuntu alone passed 8m users back in 2008 and has been growing since. Add users who are not counted thanks to multiple installs plus apt caching, then add the other distros (with similar adjustments), and you get a total comparable to MacOS,

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311554)

Its difficult to get numbers, but Ubuntu alone passed 8m users back in 2008 and has been growing since.

There have been 260 million downloads of AVG's free anti-virus product from CNET. 1.7 million downloads last week. The Adobe Reader for Windows gets about 110,000 hits per week through CNET alone. LimeWire 400,000. Top Freeware in Downloads. [cnet.com]

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (0, Offtopic)

codepunk (167897) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312016)

LimeWire 400,000 , wow 400k infested machines a week, how awesome.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311602)

Ubuntu alone passed 8m users back in 2008

And it happens to be the most charming 8 million, too.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313120)

8 million Ubuntu users... I can almost sense the smell. Thanks for ruining my lunch.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (1)

wisty (1335733) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313664)

Let's not forget the iPhone, iPad, and all the other devices which are (hopefully) not going to support Silverlight OR Flash. Lots of users, users who actually pay money for things, and business-people thinks they are fashionable. (Imagine telling your investors that you don't want Flash because you want to support Linux desktop users ... then mentioning that it's also iPhone compatible).

Shut up ASS POS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31311532)

Put the M$ cock back in your mouth so we don't have to listen to your British spew, kthxbye

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (1)

Gudeldar (705128) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311690)

I can blame them for not doing what Adobe did and create a Silverlight plug-in for Linux themselves instead of farming it out to open source developers and Novell. Maybe they are afraid they will get "infected" if they create something for Linux.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (1)

jpobst (262199) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312034)

I think most Linux users would be much happier if Adobe *had* farmed out development of Flash for Linux to someone with experience developing for Linux.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (1)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312294)

But that's only the Linux developers fault as they're lagging behind on the specs. The specs are out there to code it, you can't really blame MS for it.

It would be easier to keep up if did not rely on the net framework.

That said, I don't blame them. I just don't use it. Neither does anyone in my family with linux installed. I doubt MS care one way or another if we use it. I am with thim on that.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312596)

Only, MS don't release the specs until they are ready to release code that implements it thus giving them a head start on any development.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (1)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313462)

Nope. You only need to release specs and code at the same time. That way you can release the next version by the time OpenSource developers implement your specs.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (1)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311304)

Flash doesn't work half the time on my Linux 64 box, but it never crashes (crashes were very regular on 32-bit.)

But I'm using npviewer, not the native 64-bit Flash.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (1)

Simon80 (874052) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311598)

Are you using the 64-bit flash plugin? Ubuntu has inexplicably ignored it in favour of the unstable nspluginwrapper option, despite the vast difference in user experience. Their rationale is something about it not being supported by Adobe. On the other hand, the 32 and 64 bit players have had version parity whenever I've checked, and there is a fairly large stream of comments on the relevant bug that confirm that the 64-bit plugin works much more reliably. If you're using 64-bit Ubuntu and the default flash package, it is definitely worth your time to install the 64-bit version from someone's PPA (or from here [debian.org] ).

As for Moonlight, it's just a token to answer to naysayers who complain that Silverlight isn't cross-platform. Their website seems to want to confirm this with a headline of "Watch the Olympics on Linux with our 3.0 preview". I tried to use it to stream Olympics coverage from ctv.ca, and it didn't work in any sense of the word (and yes, I've seen it work fine on Windows, which is how I knew to go to CTV in the first place).

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313758)

I tried the 64-bit flash plugin myself. It was very unstable, and I ended up switching to running the 32-bit plugin with a 32-bit browser.

I've had similar experiences to yours with Moonlight. I've never got the thing working, period, even when the websites claim that it does for streaming video. It always seems like the sites get one look at my User-agent and refuse to serve me anything. Maybe I need to forge it to be IE.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (1)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312334)

I use the Debian package for the alpha 64 bit flash 10.

It works after installing the one package.

Silverlight (or moonlight) requires me to install a lot of the mono framework before it installs and every site I go to states that it requires a new version (that or it does not even recogonize I have it installed.)

If I can have an installer for Doom3, Postal, Postal 2, Quake 4, Crossover, Enemmy Territory, HP products, Nvidia drivers, etc, why can't MS create an installer for silverlight? Obviously, it is because they do not care which is similar to how I feel about silverlight.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (2, Insightful)

MushMouth (5650) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311104)

How is B) any different than the use of Flash (which this Johnny-Come-Lately google app uses)? Especially considering Moonlight is fully open source, which no version of flash 10 is.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (2, Insightful)

Rayban (13436) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311316)

How does Moonlight figure into it? That's like saying Flash is open-source because Gnash exists. Both are incomplete re-implementations of proprietary plugins. Neither of them can catch up to the canonical implementation.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (1)

xenn (148389) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311618)

Is FlyByNight a name you might consider for marketing either product?

Disconnected (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312058)

Outside Microsoft, a major use for Silverlight is to stream video with digital restrictions management to make it significantly harder to save to the viewer's PC. Free software is fundamentally incompatible with this DRM.

I don't understand how using "free software" translates into a requirement for "unprotected content."

PPV, thelease or rental model, is considred legitimate in many other contexts. Why does it become illegitimate when the rental is an audio or video recording?

Document management is essential in business.

The free alternative is no alternative if it can't deliver the "DRM" tools your clients expect to see.

Re:Disconnected (1)

Al Dimond (792444) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312498)

The point isn't that the business model is illegitimate. The point is that implementing effective DRM in open-source software is practically more difficult than doing it in closed-source. I'm not really sure how they plan on stopping someone from re-compiling Moonlight with patches to save the video to the hard drive.

Such a thing probably violates some patent license, so no reputable distro would package it directly. But if its use became widespread there would be lots of pressure on Microsoft to disallow F/OSS implementations, to come up with DRM extensions that couldn't be used. And then it would become impossible to run many Silverlight apps on Linux at all.

Really, in theory, the same is true of closed-source software. Assembly hackers disassemble and reverse-engineer closed-source apps all the time in order to break their DRM. It's just harder to do, takes longer, and few people are qualified to do it. Eventually "Trusted Computing" is the answer (for some value of "answer") I guess.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (4, Informative)

JohnyDog (129809) | more than 4 years ago | (#31310866)

Try Moonlight.

When stable Moonlight 1.0 was released as stable version about a year ago i tried it, only to be greeted by 'Silverlight 2.0 required, won't work with 1.0' on most non-demo pages.
This christmas someone posted me a photosynth link, i saw that Moonlight finally reached 2.0 stable release, so i again tried it, only to be greeted with 'Silverlight 3.0 required, won't work on 2.0' on photosynth and most other pages. Maybe someday in future there will be at least few day window when the silverlight app requirements match the available moonlight version, but it's not today.

Your Facts Are Getting in the Way of His Agenda (4, Funny)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 4 years ago | (#31310940)

Note to Slashdot Editors: Apps that avoid the use of Flash are Less Evil than Apps which do not run in Linux.

And please, if you're ever unclear on any of this Good/Evil stuff, don't hesitate to ask me.

Re:Your Facts Are Getting in the Way of His Agenda (1)

RMS Eats Toejam (1693864) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311894)

As if Kdawson actually gives a shit.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (1)

tpgp (48001) | more than 4 years ago | (#31310964)

Try Moonlight.

Well, I just went & downloaded the Moonlight 3 preview for linux & it doesn't work well enough with Photosynth for it to really be usable.

Not that flash is exactly the cross-platform wunderkid that the submitter implies.

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31311082)

Wait and flash is usable?!?! :)

Re:uh silverlight works in linux (1)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312844)

Define work? I tried it and i havent been successful with any site where i did need Silverlight support. It always seem to lag a version behind whats on the net.

Silverlight does exist for GNU/Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31310836)

I think there is an editorial error... Silverlight is available for Linux, via an extension published by Novell named "Moonlight". Even better : Moonlight is free software while Flash is not.

Re:Silverlight does exist for GNU/Linux (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311100)

Gnash is also free software.

Re:Silverlight does exist for GNU/Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31311346)

moonlight is also selectively a version behind the active version of silverlight. If silverlight was compatible with it's own versions this would be less of an issue, but as is it's just MS doing what MS does.

Why this beats Microsoft (0)

iCantSpell (1162581) | more than 4 years ago | (#31310864)

You don't need silverlight or a plugin to use these features.

Re:Why this beats Microsoft (2, Informative)

alen (225700) | more than 4 years ago | (#31310882)

did you not read the part where it says that this requires Flash?

Re:Why this beats Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31310968)

At least Flash is multiplatform and works on my Android phone.

Re:Why this beats Microsoft (2, Funny)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311200)

Good luck trying to use these features on your iPad. So much for multiplatform.

Re:Why this beats Microsoft (1)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312362)

Good luck trying to use these features on your iPad. So much for multiplatform.

Neither does Silverlight per the google search from a silverlight forum. (I picked the newest post I could quickly find)

http://betaforums.silverlight.net/forums/p/158591/355127.aspx [silverlight.net]

Re:Why this beats Microsoft (1)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312500)

At least Flash is multiplatform and works on my Android phone.

That's nice for you, but it still doesn't work on most Android phones.

Re:Why this beats Microsoft (1)

xenn (148389) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311812)

All that shit disappeared when I got prescribed "ScriptBlock" (TM) pills.

Re:Why this beats Microsoft (1)

selven (1556643) | more than 4 years ago | (#31310900)

Flash is a plugin. It may be ubiquitous, but it's still proprietary and it's still a plugin.

Re:Why this beats Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31310902)

Flash isn't a plugin?

Re:Why this beats Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31311028)

I hate to tell you this, but it is.

A whole lot of math (2, Interesting)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 4 years ago | (#31310874)

I noticed this last week sometime. My first thought when I see this technology is always "damn that's a lot of maths".

Re:A whole lot of math (4, Funny)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 4 years ago | (#31310888)

Mine was "I hope no one tries to post a picture of the Korean War Memorial."

Re:A whole lot of math (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312002)

Mine was "I hope no one tries to post a picture of the Korean War Memorial."

Au contraire... let's hope there's a flash mob protest that posts THOUSANDS of photos.

Re:A whole lot of math (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313416)

Mine was "I hope no one tries to post a picture of the Korean War Memorial."

why because you peed on it? LOL

Re:A whole lot of math (1)

mikael (484) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311384)

My thought, is it possible to map black and white photographs taken over 50 years ago to this? Some websites are selling reprints of antique postcards, which are in fact high-resolution photographs. The landscape in many cases is slightly different; buildings have had balconies added, trees are several meters taller. In some scenes, group photographs have been taken. I've wonder whether it would be possible to combine the photographs and streetview together so you could see the people as if they were cardboard cutout figures.

Re:A whole lot of math (1)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311824)

The historic photos is actually one of the neat aspects that each of the groups providing this technology have pointed out. I believe it was first a college team demonstrating it a few years ago, but Microsoft also commented on being able to "walk through time" with this technology.

As for the cardboard cutouts - that sounds awesome. It would require image formats that allow high color and transparency and that either someone cut the images or that someone write really good auto cropping software (:

Brownies (4, Insightful)

l00sr (266426) | more than 4 years ago | (#31310894)

...unlike Photosynth — which requires Sliverlight and therefore is not available on Linux — is implemented in Flash

I'm thinking of making some crack brownies that are delicious and unlike pot brownies--which have pot in them and are therefore dangerous--have crack in them.

Re:Brownies (0, Offtopic)

Sensible Clod (771142) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311096)

You put my thoughts into words, only far funnier...

Bing's 15 minutes of fame gone... (3, Interesting)

adosch (1397357) | more than 4 years ago | (#31310916)

So long to the Bing hype done at TED this year. Good idea to incorporate user-submitted photos where the Google StreetView car is not welcomed or... hated. I think as long as the quality, angle and panorama of submitted images are scrutinized for the well-being and wealth of StreetView, it won't be very long before Google has image mapped everything with a road going through it.

...so what's the next best way to data mine people's personal vacation photography? Simply invite them to freely contribute to the bigger, shadowed cause. 0_0

Re:Bing's 15 minutes of fame gone... (2, Interesting)

spagetti_code (773137) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311014)

So photo software has been offering facial recognition for a while. When this all gets uploaded to google, you're going to be able to ask (where was X on the given date). Cool. Scary.

Re:Bing's 15 minutes of fame gone... (1)

Flere Imsaho (786612) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311308)

Get people to submit pics of themselves. They could call it Bada Bing!

Re:Bing's 15 minutes of fame gone... (3, Interesting)

Tromad (1741656) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311318)

Except bing maps is far superior to google maps. Google maps is more technical but both bing maps and even mapquest are superior for navigating to unfamiliar areas. Google maps will give you the technical name of the freeway, but bing maps/mapquest will give you the name of the freeway as it appears on the freeway signs (for example going to LAX google will say to get onto the San Deigo freeway, which is true. However, the freeway signs say Santa Monica. Both bing and mapquest say Santa Monica on the printout). In addition, bing maps will give you location markers on the printout (turn right after the 7-11).

Re:Bing's 15 minutes of fame gone... (1)

xenn (148389) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311860)

I get your point. That could as almost difficult as changing to metric.

Re:Bing's 15 minutes of fame gone... (1)

TrancePhreak (576593) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311800)

http://www.videosift.com/video/TED-Augmented-reality-using-Bing-maps [videosift.com] Take a look again, the Bing demonstration can also overlay video.

Re:Bing's 15 minutes of fame gone... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313116)

Posting anonymously because I already moderated this discussion.

Technically, Google can incorporate overlaid video as flash supports this feature (if they can figure out the 3d rotation parameters for a still image, video is just the same).

Re:Bing's 15 minutes of fame gone... (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311848)

But you know people are gonna Photoshop goatse, tits, and Sarah Palin[1] into windows etc.

[1] No connection between the 3.....I think.

Re:Bing's 15 minutes of fame gone... (1)

coaxial (28297) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312298)

So long to the Bing hype done at TED this yearl.

So the headline is "Google plays catchup to Bing"?

Re:Bing's 15 minutes of fame gone... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31312510)

So are we going to bag on Google now for copying a Microsoft innovation?

Old photos (3, Interesting)

Antidamage (1506489) | more than 4 years ago | (#31310958)

My neighbour has photos of our street from when he was a kid. I'm planning to scan them and put them up. Quite the change over the years.

Re:Old photos (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31311074)

I think this is really where the technology becomes useful, archival photos.

If I could have a slider in the interface to go back through photos from the 'past' in the same location it would be an excellent record of development.

If only all cameras shipped with GPS for location,compass for direction.. and 3G for realtime uploads :)

If you had directional information in the photos, you could automatically locate points of interest where directional information intersects (monuments etc.)

Faces? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31311026)

So, does this app show blurred faces like the regular street view does?

Hooray (0, Flamebait)

bunkymag (1567407) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311054)

Finally, all the residents of all the Gay Boulevardes in the world can express their street pride with flair.

Panoramico? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31311090)

I'm pretty sure you ment Panoramio and not Panoramico

photos (4, Insightful)

owlnation (858981) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311150)

I hope there's someone vetting the pics. One of the most annoying aspects of Panoramico, is that there's more than a few narcissists who post pics of things like "our dog Benji at the beach," rather than an informative pic that will enhance the Google Earth user-experience.

Still... if no-one is vetting the pics, there is a LOT of fun to be had with this.

Re:photos (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311802)

I hope there's someone vetting the pics.

Surely it would be based on user ratings rather than some poor slob having to look at hundreds of thousands of photographs (and drawing a salary)!

By the way, when taking your own photos, the best thing you can do is take those "narcissistic" shots that outsiders find un-interesting. Nobody, including mostly likely yourself, will ever care about most of the architecture or scenery shots you take; there are billions of those. Any shot of interest to the general public (that isn't a news event) has already been taken. So, take shots of your kids and friends and the places you live, and your dog.

Re:photos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31312276)

That, and there is the fact that people simply don't care about pictures without people or other animals in them. Watch somebody flipping through someone's vacation photos sometime... pictures of the most grand architecture or gorgeous flower are met with glazed eyes. People will pay attention and react to a picture of someone making a stupid face. Or an old lady just sitting on a bench looking tired. Or that waiter who was so charming.

There may be an exception for artists who use photography as their medium, and can really frame a setting and notice things like shadow, texture, negative space and composition which really bring a new level of observation into a landscape that blows the audience away. But then again most of these artists will also have pictures from parties, etc which do a far better job of capturing the mood of the setting, but they don't get released to the public because they are more personal in nature and in a way belong to the people that were there rather than the public at large.

Re:photos (1)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312396)

I made that mistake on my last vacation. I posted them on facebook and all the comments were that I took no pictures of myself or my family on the whole trip.

It made the pictures a lot more boring to those who knew me and really took away from any nostalgia I could feel from looking at those pictures.

Goatse Tourism (1)

ukemike (956477) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312074)

Hey look it's Goatse at the Eifel Tower. Hey look it's Goatse on the steps of St. Peters. Hey look it's Goatse at Point Sublime on the North Rim of the Grand Canyon.

No thanks, I'd rather have someone vetting the photos.

Re:photos (1)

janwedekind (778872) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313156)

Photosynth actually started as a PhD project called Photo Tourism [washington.edu] before it was taken over by Microsoft. There was a presentation where they downloaded a lot of pictures of the cathedral in Strasbourg. Given enough samples they were able to find typical viewpoints, they managed to align day- and night-shots, and they even could detect obstruction.

Hasn't it been this way for a while? (2, Interesting)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311250)

I seem to remember seeing user-submitted photos of my place (a random Chicago three-flat) at least a year back.

Or is this something different?

Re:Hasn't it been this way for a while? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31311386)

From TFA:

"Google started incorporating user photos into the Street View part of Google Maps last year. It started with photos from Google-owned photo service Panoramio (which has been an option within Google Maps for some time) and more recently added support for Flickr photos as well. But all that did was show you specific photos (if they were geo-tagged properly) when you looked at a location in the regular Google Maps view. With the new feature, which is described in a video embedded below, the photos are superimposed on a Google Street View of the location, and you can easily switch from one to the other."

The EU is gonna love this (1)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311266)

Can they order individuals to take down photos too? Or will Google have to "blur" them?

Contributed images are not blurred (1)

zrq (794138) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311388)

Ok, how does this change the privacy issues [slashdot.org] ?

If Google takes the images themselves they have to blur all the faces and number plates, but if they include user contributed images of the same scene they don't need to blur them ?

So .. if I (as a private citizen) take pictures of a street and upload them to Flickr with geo-tags, Google will use them un-blurred.

What if I (as a private citizen) mounted a camera on a car and took LOTS of pictures and uploaded them to Flickr with geo-tags, Google would be able to use them un-blurred ?

Is this a crowd sourced way to un-blur Google StreetView one street at a time ....

Re:Contributed images are not blurred (1)

chrono325 (796121) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313336)

Ok, how does this change the privacy issues [slashdot.org] ?

If you are uploading geotagged, unblurred pictures to a public site, then you are uploading geotagged, unblurred pictures to a public site. If you don't want people seeing those pictures, don't upload them (or mark them private). It was always possible to look through Flickr pictures, so this doesn't change anything in that regard.

The problem with Google Street View is that they are _taking_ new pictures and making them public.

LAWSUIT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31311840)

I think they need a consent form for all of these.

Re:LAWSUIT (1)

JackieBrown (987087) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312406)

No more than facebook or myspace do.

The consent would probably be something you have to agree to when you upload them. Google cannot be resposible for every picture that a user posts anymore than isohunt can be resposible for every torrent link posted.

When they can take user photos... (1)

zawarski (1381571) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312258)

...and texture them onto the ground and 3d buildings in Google Earth, I'll be impressed.

Why the Java hate? (3, Funny)

tonywestonuk (261622) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312372)

Why not do this as an Applet, not Flash.... After all, Java is FOSS, and works on all platforms. Applets launch fast, (unless they have megabytes of Jars to load, though this problem is not just with Java).

Re:Why the Java hate? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31312792)

...Applets launch fast

Not as fast as Flash, even for small applets.

And not using something does not mean hate.

Privacy from a street? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313638)

I dont understand this privacy decree. Streets are public property. If you dont want someone taking a picture of you on your private property then dont allow someone to see you from the public streets.

Close your blinds when you're taking a crap!

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