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Banks Accept Dubai Assassins' Stolen IDs

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the beyond-naked-in-public dept.

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schliz writes "Public scrutiny did more harm than good last week, after Australian police and the media released details of three stolen passports allegedly used in the assasination of a senior Hamas member in Dubai. As if having their identities stolen for an assassination wasn't enough, it turns out the victims' passports had not been cancelled by the government, so the details that were published by the media in fact could be used to open fraudulent bank accounts."

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291 comments

I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (5, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311634)

It seems like every government in the world has something equal to our Social Security Number being used for national identification... and no way to scrub your permanent record of what they want to record about you, or even an easy way toget your record cleaned if somebody should take your identity and uses it. Lifelock is basically selling insurance that if your ID is stolen, they'll do the legwork up to $1 Million in filing paperwork and making calls on your behalf to get things back to normal.

Israel basically doesn't care about what they've done to these people because for them their war against Hamas justifies anything... they've been doing War on Terror since day one of their existence. The least these people should be able to expect is that their government would cancel their stolen passports... but apparently that's too much to ask.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31311670)

Nobody wants, nobody likes,

kikes, kikes, kikes.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (3, Interesting)

Cougar_ (92354) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311716)

Their passports have not been stolen, they still have the originals in their possession. The passports used for the assassination were counterfeits.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (5, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311728)

That's "stolen" in the RIAA definition... illegal copying must be stopped!

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312026)

It's ok if a government does it. Didn't you get the mem... oh, not cleared?

Never mind I said something.

Seriously. Comments, please. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31312256)

Did you know that Paula Abdul made a "sex tape" where she's doing the "bouncy bouncy" on top of a enormous black cock with giant hairy balls? She pops it out of her giant hole just as it explodes in a gusher of white-hot man juice all over her face a la Bukaki heaven. The camera pulls back, and we get to see just a glance in the mirror of Simon holding the camera with one hand, while masturbating with the other.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (4, Interesting)

deniable (76198) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311736)

That's why the GP said ID in the first paragraph. They were counterfeit, but used valid data, hence they're as good as stolen. Oh wait, are you using a subtle piracy isn't theft argument?

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (2, Interesting)

WaXHeLL (452463) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312094)

Their passports have not been stolen, they still have the originals in their possession. The passports used for the assassination were counterfeits.

Actually, some of the involved passports were fraudulently obtained from their respective governments.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (1)

Omnifarious (11933) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312102)

Yes, I would agree with you. The passports haven't been stolen, just copied. Copying isn't theft even in this situation in which I think the copying was unequivocally wrong. OTOH, I would still argue that their identity has been stolen.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (1)

umghhh (965931) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313344)

I just wonder about few things:
  • since when do we trust Dubai's security/police/judiciary to deliver results that actually show the reality? Strangely they were not capable of catching a known terrorist before he got victimized by somebody - so how efficient are they really and how much can we trust them
  • is there any evidence that his was done by mossad? Even if we trust Dubai police (which I personally do not but I do not have to either - not living there etc) can they with all their professionalism actually find out who did it?
  • why is this a problem if a known terrorist gets killed and it is not a problem when he can travel as he pleases (he was obviously well known in Dubai)?

What really annoys me with this thing is that media and sad majority of people just jump to the conclusions without even passing the information trough their brains. Every now and then certain thing happens and for reasons that are not comprehensible for a thinking person whole world gets bananas - last time it was I think with Georgia that was 'attacked' by Russia. This just shows that one cannot trust any information provided.

BTW: not all of the passports were stolen or counterfeited - at least ones issued by German authorities were genuine albeit the actual persons whose identities were used knew nothing about these documents (or so they say).

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (-1, Troll)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311746)

Actually, the Jewish people have been at war with everyone from day one, in later years settling down a bit and narrowing it to a smaller group

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31312064)

Your statement should read,

"Actually, people have been at war with everyone from day one, in later years settling down a bit and narrowing it to a smaller group"

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311882)

If it was my passport that was counterfeited and I happened to be visiting, say China, at the time I'd probably prefer the government not just cancel my passport out from under me.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311942)

But they're your government. They can send you a new one rather quickly.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312004)

"rather quickly" isn't going to cut it in a lot of cases.

Now visiting China might see me playing by a different set of rules, but I have *never* "registered" with an embassy/consulate or told my government where I was when I've been traveling overseas.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (2, Insightful)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312038)

But they're your government. They can send you a new one rather quickly.

Wanna bet?

Bureaucracy knows no bound, especially if your passport has been used by someone to assassinate a terrorist.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (2, Interesting)

bertoelcon (1557907) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312192)

Bureaucracy knows no bound, especially if your passport has been used by someone to assassinate a terrorist.

But they assassinated a "terrorist", not one of the "good guys".

That has to mean something, right?

Right?

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312042)

If your government has an embassy in the country, you can simply go there and they will help you.

If your government does not have one, what the hell are you doing there?

And China is a bad example, I mean, don't tell me the only thing they don't counterfeit in China is passports.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312160)

How is china a bad example?

I imagine the consequences of trying use an invalid Australian passport in China would be worse than doing so in New Zealand. It should all turn out fine, they contact the Australian officials who explain the situation - but things don't always work as they should.

The problem isn't getting a new passport, that's simple. The problem is not knowing you need to and trying to use a passport that comes up on the canceled list (hopefully without any further explanation like, "used in spying/assassinations/terrorism") to get past the guys with machine guns who are more than happy to interview you while they slowly contact your consulate.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (2, Insightful)

LukeWebber (117950) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311884)

It's actually not that hard to get a new Australian passport issued, especially if you have as good a reason as these people. It's not even slightly analogous to the American SSN.
The big problem here is that the relevant authorities simply didn't think to cancel and re-issue before publishing the details to the world.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31311932)

Israel basically doesn't care about what they've done to these people because for them their war against Hamas justifies anything... they've been doing War on Terror.

Yeh they have. But before they were the ones at war with terrorists, they were the worst terrorists.

For a full list of their atrocities, funded by US jews, have a look at the UN report on jewish terrorism in Palestine 1945-48

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-terrorists-timeline-1945-1948.html [jewwatch.com] .

And the fuckers try and come across holier than the terrorists. Israel is a terrorist nation of thieves.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (1, Insightful)

tg123 (1409503) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312080)

Israel basically doesn't care about what they've done to these people because for them their war against Hamas justifies anything...........UN report on jewish terrorism in Palestine 1945-48

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-terrorists-timeline-1945-1948.html [jewwatch.com] .

And the fuckers try and come across holier than the terrorists. Israel is a terrorist nation of thieves.

Forgetting about the sense of anti-Zonist hated in your previous post.

Truth be told Israel is a state sponsor of terror and it was founded on terrorism.

The same can be said of the Palestinians.

What does not get mentioned is each sides, Palestinian and Israeli, views are valid and neither peoples are willing to compromise.

With compromise will come peace.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (2, Insightful)

Low Ranked Craig (1327799) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312176)

It is more likely that the peace will come from the Jews exterminating the Palestinians, or Iran exterminating both; the Jews on purpose and the Palestinians as collateral damage.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (1)

Miseph (979059) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312230)

Given the state Palestinian foreign relations prior to the creation of Israel... I'd not classify Iran exterminating them as "accidental".

They were pretty much considered to be a bunch of degenerate screw-ups barely worthy of using for target practice.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (0, Flamebait)

vcgodinich (1172985) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312304)

Truth be told Israel is a state sponsor of terror and it was founded on terrorism.

-Might- want to check how Israel was founded and by whom.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (2, Informative)

tg123 (1409503) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313082)

Truth be told Israel is a state sponsor of terror and it was founded on terrorism.

-Might- want to check how Israel was founded and by whom.

My understanding of the foundation of Israel was that is was begun by the Zionist movement who wanted to return to the homeland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism [wikipedia.org]

the State of Israel was proclaimed by
Ben-Gurion on the 14th May 1948 the day the British mandate expired.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Independence_(Israel) [wikipedia.org]

The British left due to a Jewish terror campaign also known as the Jewish Revolt.

The Arabs/Palestinians had there own terror campaign as well it's just the Jewish were better at it.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/defense.html [jewishvirtuallibrary.org]

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (2, Insightful)

hjrnunes (1135957) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312522)

Well, the Palestinians didn't wipe out Jewish villages, conquered neighboring countries territory, maintain a racist state, try to fabricate a Jewish past in Palestine or fully annex it while pretending to be interested in a peace treaty. And they don't have AIPAC.

The only way Israeli views are valid is considering the fact that to set things straight, a lot of people would have to be moved in/out of the Israeli territory, not to mention the (internationally illegal) settlements.

The fact is that the Israelis are not interested in peace. They want the full of Palestine and that's it. The hold they have on the U.S. Congress and Senate through lobbying organizations like AIPAC and the Counsel of Presidents grants them carte blanche to do whatever they want. It's kinda funny that the world's most powerful superpower is little more than a sock puppet of a little east mediterranean state in what concerns it's foreign policy on the Middle East...

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (1)

Darkman, Walkin Dude (707389) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313272)

It's kinda funny that the world's most powerful superpower is little more than a sock puppet of a little east mediterranean state in what concerns it's foreign policy on the Middle East...

Don't kid yourself. Its established US policy to create and support "friendly states" near where US interests lie. This is one of the main reasons why Japan was rebuilt and heavily funded by the US in the far east. Its not even completely connected to oil resources I would say, but part of an ideological and strategic conflict. When the oil dries up or becomes irrelevant (possibly within the next couple of decades), most of the middle east is going to be a lot poorer than it is today, and hence a whole lot angrier. Better that they are targeting Israel than the US, in the eyes of policymakers, so the bigger a boogeyman it is the better.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31311954)

I've always had the impression that intelligence agencies operate with the principle that the end justifies absolutely any means. After all, they break plenty of laws when they operate in foreign countries and don't seem to have any problem fucking up the lives of their own citizens either.

But I do wonder if there's any particular reason why the Mossad prefers Australian or New Zealand identies? Considering how many times they've been caught red-handed, there should be examples with identities from other countries than those two. We can exclude American identities since they would probably not work much better than Israeli and they might not want to annoy Europeans any more than they already do and they have had good relations with South Africa for a long, long time but shouldn't an identity from a South American country or Canada also work appearance-wise?

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312418)

But I do wonder if there's any particular reason why the Mossad prefers Australian or New Zealand identies?

I understood that 6 of the passports used in this operation were British. Mossad seems to prefer using identies of foreign nationals living within Israel.

The thing that puzzles me about this whole debacle is that Mossad has something of a reputation for ruthless, surgical precision in its operations. This operation to bump off a single Hamas leader (with Dubai police claiming some 25 people involved) just seems uncharacteristically ham-fisted and clumsy. In fact, now I come to think of it, much more like the CIA... ;-)

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (3, Insightful)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311958)

It seems like every government in the world has something equal to our Social Security Number being used for national identification..

The problem is not the issuance of a government ID, the problem is that businesses are allowed to ask for it and use it as a form of ID.

I don't recall telling banks in the UK any government-issued ID numbers, but I haven't opened a bank account there recently.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (2, Informative)

shabble (90296) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313142)

I don't recall telling banks in the UK any government-issued ID numbers, but I haven't opened a bank account there recently.

Money laundering requirements in the UK generally take the form of 2 or more pieces of documentation that prove both who you are, and where you live. (Drivers licence or passport for who you are, tax notices, benefits letters, utility bills for address.) Used in conjunction with data held by Experian/Equifax (which includes electoral information as backup for where you live.)

The closest you'll get to explicitly handing over a government issued ID number to a bank is if you open an ISA (Individual Savings Account - limited tax free savings,) and they ask you for your National Insurance number.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31311992)

"they've been doing War on Terror since day one of their existence"

We've ALWAYS been at war with Terrasia.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (0, Troll)

vikstar (615372) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312132)

War of Terror

There, fixed it for you.

Correction ... (1)

PinkyGigglebrain (730753) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312464)

"War of Terror"

Fixed that for you.

Both sides justify their dirty tactics by the existence of the other.

Correction: Iran does not care (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312842)

Israel basically doesn't care about what they've done to these people

That hasn't been proven and the last known whereabouts of two of them were boarding a ship for IRAN [richardsilverstein.com] .

Why would Israeli agents be doing that? You know very little about middle eastern politics if you think only the Israelis want people dead.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (1)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312848)

This is _NOT_ a problem with social security numbers (or national identification numbers). What this is about is the lack of strict regulation on their use and proper oversight.

If you can open a bank account just by having the information that is on a passport the there's a failure in procedure here, not an intrinsic security risk with national identification numbers. That is to say; any procedure that uses information found on a passport to authenticate that you are who you claim to be are relying on security through obscurity.

The online banks that were tested in the article failed and I'm surprised they haven't been slapped silly by government regulators for lax security. (They would be in norway, which has had NIN since 1960's)

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (1)

verbation (1647219) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312914)

Who said it was Israel? And the article was about Australian accounts. But I'm not going to deny a man his g0d-given Israel-bashing right. Proceed.

Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? (1)

rhook (943951) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313114)

Lifelock is basically selling insurance that if your ID is stolen, they'll do the legwork up to $1 Million in filing paperwork and making calls on your behalf to get things back to normal.

Lifelock is a scam, they charge you money to do what costs nothing. What is that you ask? All they do is put a fraud alert on your file at the three major credit agencies. You can do this yourself over the phone in 5 minutes. Once this is on file you are contacted anytime someone tries to open a new line of credit in your name.

It's this kind thing.. (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31311694)

That makes me think that Hamas and Isreal deserve each other.

Re:It's this kind thing.. (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311710)

Yeah... it seems life was better here when we let those in arguments that will never be settled fight among themselves instead of letting them fight us in their home land.

Re:It's this kind thing.. (0, Offtopic)

dbIII (701233) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311828)

They've created each other - it's truly bizzare that some people in Israel grew up to be genocidal fascists and that they they even managed to get into government. Timing an invasion and then a pogrom in the Gaza ghetto for elections helped them stay in power, and it was counterproductive since any moderate voice on the other side became irrelevant.
The country deserves neither and is the only place in that part of the world where there is anything resembling the rule of law, even if it comes with something resembling apartheid

Re:It's this kind thing.. (-1, Troll)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311996)

More worldly travel will do you good. Let me know when Hamas doesn't kill Jews on sight.

Re:It's this kind thing.. (1, Interesting)

Max Littlemore (1001285) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312454)

John Saffran seems to be okay. Tell me, do Hamas fighters distribute shirts with cross hairs on pregnant women and wear them with pride?

Isreal is the perfect lesson in why we must never give in to terrorists and their demands. Let them win once and we justified the means. Now they are a nuclear state with a large segment of the population believing in their "glorious" terrorist propaganda. It may be too late to do anything.

Re:It's this kind thing.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31311842)

Yes, because Israel assasinated a Hamas leader and the Australian government leaked the details of forged passports it means they deserve each other. Wait what exactly did Hamas do?

Re:It's this kind thing.. (3, Informative)

Cassius Corodes (1084513) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311886)

On the hamas leader see: http://www.michaeltotten.com/2010/02/more-like-this-please.php [michaeltotten.com]

Re:It's this kind thing.. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31311952)

Assissinations on foreign soil, using an identity of a citizen of a yet another country (possibly ruining their lives in the process) is something to be cheered?

I think not. That is not to say I'm somehow sad for his passing, just for this rampant lawlessness.

Re:It's this kind thing.. (1)

MikShapi (681808) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312554)

Killing someone who would otherwise kill your and my kids indiscriminately if they happen to be at the wrong place & the wrong time can be cheered, yes.

I applaud a proper judicial system & process in environments where it can be applied.
When dealing with modern-day high-profile civilian-targeting combatants who travel on forged papers (which the assassination victim allegedly was) I'd rather see him taken out of action, permanently if possible, using whatever means necessary.

Re:It's this kind thing.. (2, Insightful)

IgnoramusMaximus (692000) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313094)

Killing someone who would otherwise kill your and my kids indiscriminately if they happen to be at the wrong place & the wrong time can be cheered, yes.

I assume then that you are cheering for elimination of most of those active in the Israeli political scene, since most of them are Hell-bent on starving and beating the denizens of the West Bank and Gaza Ghettos into obedient submission, no?

I have news for you, Skippy: we in the rest of the world (excepting some parts of the US where they expect Second Coming on the next Tuesday at the latest) have looooong since stopped buying the Pure-as-a-driven-snow Eternal Victimhood crap Israelis are peddling, quite a few "preemptive" wars and "collective punishment" campaigns back. The only reason that Israel is still supplied with vast no-questions-asked transfers of wealth and arms from the unwitting US taxpayers is because Israelis have a strangle-hold on US politics (along with gigantic corporations and other related wannabe global feudal aristocracy). And anyone can already sense that it is only a matter of time until something is going to give, rather violently, if this trend towards neo-feudalism continues unabated.

So I would suggest that pull your heads out of your apartheid asses and do something actually constructive to resolve the problem, beginning with massive reparations for all the land and property you've stolen (incidentally, and quite ironically, a process not much different from that relating to Jewish Nazi-confiscated property).

Re:It's this kind thing.. (1)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313386)

That can work both ways. Palestinians think: "Why not kill Israels if they cheer killing you indiscriminately if you happen to be at the wrong place & wrong time?"

Israel does state-sponsored terrorism, it's pure and simple.

Re:It's this kind thing.. (3, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312050)

Well, .... aw heck, I got karma to burn. I'm pretty sure not too many would care about their struggle, just wake us when one of you remains and have at it. What bothers most of the world is just that they can't keep to themselves and pull us into their struggle. It's a bit like two kids fighting in the sand pit under your window. Would you care if they didn't scream louder than you can turn your TV set?

Re:It's this kind thing.. (2, Insightful)

alchemy101 (961551) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312274)

The heartless person in me has always thought that the rest of the world should just step aside and let themselves wipe each other out from the face of the Earth and let it be an important lesson to the rest of us.

Re:It's this kind thing.. (1)

ja (14684) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312444)

What exactly did the Palestinians do to deserve being deported by Jewish terrorists?

Re:It's this kind thing.. (3, Informative)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312934)

OK, let's see: the Dubai police has, so far, incriminated 26 suspects which have fled the country, two of them to Iran. The only individuals actually captured by the Dubai police are 3 Palestinians. (That would make the number of operatives equal to 29). Additionally, the police actually found succinylcholine (a muscle relaxant) in Mabhouh's blood (so he wouldn't fight back when, allegedly, smothered with a pillow). Some of the passports used by the alleged operatives belong to Israeli citizens (7 of them, IIRC).

You don't see any problem with these?

First of all, 29 operatives - that's a recipe for disaster; the more people involved, the higher the likelihood for an error. Mossad has used two to four people in the past, even for much higher profile targets (we know this from the few botched missions). As for how much does adding people to the operation increase the likelihood for error, it's given by the formula 1 - (1 - q)^n, where q is the likelihood that one agent will screw up, and n is the number of participating agents.
Secondly, no Israeli agent would flee to Iran - because it's a paranoidly tightly controlled police state.
Thirdly, Mossad would never use identities stolen from Israeli citizens, as that would endanger the lives of said citizens (and protecting lives of Israeli citizens is one of Mossad's raison d'etre), AND it would point a giant flashing sign at Israel. Mossad doesn't need to use Israeli citizen's identities.
Fourthly, Mossad does not leave traces behind them. Their targets have historically been either shot or their death defied forensics.
Fifthly, the only captured people are Palestinians. This would point at the involvement of Fatah rather than Israel.

The whole operation, while successful, seems mired in sloppiness (having such a large group of people involved, all of them identified - WTF? And leaving evidence at the scene etc. etc.), which should be enough to discredit the claim that Mossad was in involved.

Re:It's this kind thing.. (3, Insightful)

IgnoramusMaximus (692000) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313234)

... Mossad has used two to four people in the past, even for much higher profile targets (we know this from the few botched missions) ... which should be enough to discredit the claim that Mossad was in involved ....

You've confused propaganda about Mossad activities spread by Israel and US-dwelling Israeli citizens (many of them in positions of great power in US media and entertainment industries) which was until not so long ago the "dominant" view in the absence of the Internet and ubiquitous digital cameras, with reality.

The truth is that Mossad (and most other intelligence agencies) was always this sloppy, but they operated in a very forgiving environment, where all the successes could be safely exaggerated and all the screw-ups completely swept under the carpet.

The Dubai situation is simply what happens when the terrain on which Mossad had chosen to operate differs significantly from a typical impoverished, inept, technologically in the dark-ages back-water where they usually do their dirty deeds.

And it is a sign of things to come. Mossad is being put on notice: your usual shit will not fly anymore and no amount of selective propaganda will compensate for the realities of the digital age and Orwellian police-state mass digital surveillance that is becoming the norm in the Gulf states.

Re:It's this kind thing.. (1)

jabuzz (182671) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313472)

Still does not explain two of the alleged operatives fleeing to Iran. If that is accurate it would make Mossad involvement seem very unlikely, especially given that Hamas have plenty of other enemies.

Re:It's this kind thing.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313466)

And we deserve a TERRORIST STATE like Israel. Basically, if it was Iran doing the same (copying foreigners passports at their main airport, making fake copies and having their Revolutionary Guard agents entering Monaco to kill some Mossad hired gun), we will probably have bombed Iran back to stone age already.
And I am jewish, so don't get to me with your zionist bullshit or your self-deprecating "the nazis sent us to the concentration camps" shit.

Obscure the details. (3, Informative)

deniable (76198) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311700)

I thought that the details had been obscured by the government when it made the release. It appears that the ABC and Seven blurred the important numbers. Others broadcast the details without editing. I thought we had enough of these on Media Watch last year to teach them a lesson.

Re:Obscure the details. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31311870)

> I thought we had enough of these on Media Watch last year to teach them a lesson.

LOL, this is the for-profit media you are talking about there.

Re:Obscure the details. (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311964)

I thought that the details had been obscured by the government when it made the release. It appears that the ABC and Seven blurred the important numbers. Others broadcast the details without editing. I thought we had enough of these on Media Watch last year to teach them a lesson.

That's not particularly foolproof - after all if the stations have to blur out the numbers that means that the materials that were released to the stations (and thus presumably to the public at large) weren't blurred out. So, it helps reduce but in no way eliminates the further spread of the info, but the real source of the problem is whoever gave the stations the information in first place.

Re:Obscure the details. (2, Interesting)

deniable (76198) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312030)

That was my point. I only saw them on the ABC and the details were redacted. I wrongly assumed this was done at the source. Instead it was left to the media to protect these peoples' privacy.

schliz (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31311706)

schliz, kdawson: are you absolutely sure that this is public scrutiny's fault?

Sound familiar? (1)

mederbil (1756400) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311708)

"But although the department's site has the extra step of asking for a mother's maiden name and guarantor's name (presumably, the person who signed the passport photo and application), some implementations of Edentiti used by financial institutions simply check that the passport is valid and details are correct based on date of birth, full name and place of birth."

Sounds a lot like how Sarah Palin's email got hacked to me. Asking security questions has proven to fail when someone wants someone's information.

Re:Sound familiar? (1)

toastar (573882) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311866)

The Trick to security questions is to use a secondary password that doesn't match the question. Who would ever guess my mothers maiden name is desk?

Re:Sound familiar? (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311914)

That's not exactly the best idea, because you have to associate question+account=codeword... and that's a lot harder than remembering the true answer.

Re:Sound familiar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31311918)

me ... now.

Re:Sound familiar? (1)

pentalive (449155) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311920)

We all would now.

Re:Sound familiar? (1, Interesting)

MillionthMonkey (240664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311926)

My first pet's name was smegma.

Re:Sound familiar? (2, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312076)

My mother's maiden name cannot be found in a dictionary. It's similar to Zwt1qt'lNy. Hey, don't discriminate me just 'cause you cannot pronounce my mother's maiden name! Racist bastard!

Re:Sound familiar? (2, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312070)

I got into a heated argument with my bank's "phone assistant" a while ago. You see, to ensure that I'm really me, they ask some "additional information" about my account when I phone in to make a transfer. Actually a quite convenient service when their webpage is down, as usual.

The security questions include such things as telling them some of my recent withdrawals or a certain regular payment (like phone bill or such), or my personal bank adviser (well, as personal as "the guy who created my account" can be...). The only problem: All those informations can be gained from a bank statement. Which I could get printed at any time with nothing but my ATM card, without additional security pin.

So if you steal a wallet and find an ATM card... I think you can take it from here.

Recent Events (5, Funny)

hduff (570443) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311784)

Recent IT events have suggested that the Australian government is below par as far as their critical thinking skills go, so this is a surprise?

Re:Recent Events (-1, Troll)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#31311808)

Seems like copying the Americans' homework assignments aren't doing them much good anymore.

Re:Recent Events (1)

bertoelcon (1557907) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312210)

Recent IT events have suggested that the Australian government is below par as far as their critical thinking skills go, so this is a surprise?

Not very far below par.

Not Israel (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31312018)

Well, who the hell knows. There are a lot of folks out there who hate Hamas, including the Palestinian Authority!!! But there's no evidence it was Israel behind this. All your comments are just reiterating accusations by Dubai. Maybe they were behind it, but no one posting here knows.

Besides, all these comments about Israel and Hamas deserving each other miss a HUGE point: moral authority. Suppose it was Israel - then it was in retaliation for killing two Israelis!! What was the basis for Hamas killing the Israelis? Their mere existence!!

Or do you put murderers and law enforcement killing murderers on equal moral grounds too?

Re:Not Israel (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31312062)

Please, stop trying to distort the situation.

Hamas has its own particular ideology and I want to make it clear I don't support their methods.

But to say that their basis for attacking Israel is merely its existence is a distortion. There is legitimate beef on the part of the Palestinians against Israel for the loss of land and livelihood under the Israeli occupation. You and I can sit here and debate whether or not their actions are appropriate or understandable, but it boils down to an entire population of people who live under the rule of a foreign occupier and it is quite clear that the occupation has not had a positive impact on them.

We talk righteously about Jews who were forced into ghettos and then violently rebelled against their oppressors but then on the other hand when it involves Arabs against Jewish occupiers, its all of the sudden an immoral thing to resist that oppression.

Re:Not Israel (4, Insightful)

MikShapi (681808) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312568)

Then why does the Hammas have Israel's entire land on its flag? Why does it continuously call for Israel's full destruction?

You have a valid point, there is a very justified side to the Palestinian struggle for independence. Only problem is that organizations like the Hammas deliberately blur the line between the bits that are justified, and the bits that are hate-mongering, impossible loony ideas (entirely displace a 7-million modern nation with access to money, all the technology it needs a big army? yeh, right) that are entirely outside any acceptable modern ethics/morals profile.

Re:Not Israel (1)

SQL Error (16383) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313030)

But to say that their basis for attacking Israel is merely its existence is a distortion.

Distortion? It's their self-defined raison d'être.

Re:Not Israel (2, Insightful)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312212)

on average, israel kills 10 palestinians for every israeli killed by palestinians, drilling down further, for every Israeli child killed, 40 Palestinian children are killed.

you can't claim the moral high ground while using military ordinance against occupied residential structures.

I have seen photos of the damage caused by each sides weapons, a qassam rocket will typically blow a hole in a wall and hurt or kill anyone nearby in that room, while an israeli airstrike will level an apartment complex.

Re:Not Israel (1)

MikShapi (681808) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312506)

Israelis don't level apartment complexes arbitrarily. They do so when the apartment complexes in question get used in Palestinian attacks, or on the rare occurrence of a high-profile ticking-timebomb blood-on-hands type of persona rearing his head in a known place at a known time.

The Qassam "holes in walls", on the other hand, are conducted randomly, by weapons with very primitive targeting, into the heart of civilian population centers, with no other purpose than to harm civilians.

You have to decide whether you're handing out points for who has the better technology (bigger bombs/targeting systems) or who has the better ethical/moral; base.

It's not about the size of the hole in the wall. It's about whether you had a valid military target in your sights when you pulled the trigger.

And before we start a discussion on (Israel) firing on ambulances/UN schools et,remember the Geneva convention and wartime rules are only applicable so long as both sides respect them. When one side ignores them, they become a worthless piece of paper.

You will respect wartime rules and won't shoot at *my* ambulances, civilian shelters, schools etc, so long as I respect the same wartime rules and not misuse my ambulances, civilian shelters, schools etc.

If I get caught several times with my ambulances smuggling weapons and bombs, and it ends up costing you lives (and your government public criticism from your angry voters), you'll throw the wartime rules out the window same as everyone else who has had to face a similar situation ever did, and treat my ambulances as potential weapon-carrying-trucks (which, I remind you, in our example, they *are*).

Unfortunately (mainly to the Palestinian and Lebanese populations), the methods of the Iranian proxies Hammas and Hezbollah openly ignore wartime law. And when they dont respect it, it would be naive and totally unrealistic to expect their adversary (Israel in these two cases) to respect those same wartime laws.

Re:Not Israel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313164)

And before we start a discussion on (Israel) firing on ambulances/UN schools et,remember the Geneva convention and wartime rules are only applicable so long as both sides respect them. When one side ignores them, they become a worthless piece of paper.

I don't expect terrorists to uphold the Geneva Convention, but countries should.

Re:Not Israel (1)

bloobloo (957543) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313512)

Sorry, did you seriously just claim that it's ok for Israel to attack the ICRC and the UN because Hamas doesn't follow the rules either?

Re:Not Israel (1)

AK Marc (707885) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313092)

I have seen photos of the damage caused by each sides weapons, a qassam rocket will typically blow a hole in a wall and hurt or kill anyone nearby in that room, while an israeli airstrike will level an apartment complex.

When Hamas stops launching rockets from the roof of apartment complexes, then there will be fewer apartment complexes hit.

They really Polished off that Hamas guy (0, Offtopic)

Viadd (173388) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312022)

Also implicated in the assassination was Prawo Jazdy [bbc.co.uk] .

What does ID have to do with your checking account (1)

Coward Anonymous (110649) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312082)

Slowly we lose sight of how a nationally recognized ID was not always required to do mundane things like opening a checking account.
Australia (like many other Western nations) is slowly becoming a police state. That somebody's identity card was used to assassinate someone in the middle east is not the problem here.

Re:What does ID have to do with your checking acco (1)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312112)

I'm Australian, and don't have a passport. I've also had a number of bank accounts in my life. To open an account, you need proof of identity. There's a whole list of things that can satisfy this - driver's license, passport, birth certificate, etc. There's hardly a unified ID system.

Besides, you think fraud is bad now, try it when there's no way to uniquely identify people.

Re:What does ID have to do with your checking acco (1)

Barny (103770) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312196)

Funnily enough, you only need that ID when initially opening your business with a bank, if you continue to patronise their business you will likely need nothing more than your keycard and a bit of easily obtainable information to open accounts, loans, etc.

In fact, I organised, established and paid off a personal loan with the National Australia Bank without even owning a piece of primary ID (photographic) "just sign here and here...", that deficit in my own recognition paperwork has since been rectified of course.

(p7us one Informative) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31312172)

sex with 4 -troll (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31312198)

whole 4as lost [goat.cx]

how is their credit (1)

thenextstevejobs (1586847) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312312)

opening an account doesn't really get me anywhere. now if i can borrow a little money...

Re:how is their credit (1)

lordlod (458156) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312370)

Step 1. Open a bank account
Step 2. Change banking details with employer, no questions asked as bank account is in correct name.
Step 3. Apply for second mortgage on house, no ID required as bank has already established identity.
Step 4. Apply for credit card, no ID required as bank has already established identity.
Step 5. Transfer $100,000 via offshore accounts

Enough (4, Insightful)

daveime (1253762) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312326)

Getting tired of kdawsons scaremongering bullshit.

Can we have it corrected please, the headline reads like it has already happened ?

"Banks Could Conceivably Accept Dubai Assassins' Stolen IDs"

(And then only if they'd been living under a rock).

Re:Enough (1)

lordlod (458156) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312384)

Getting tired of kdawsons scaremongering bullshit.

Can we have it corrected please, the headline reads like it has already happened ?

RTFA

Today, we used the details of two victims to open transaction accounts online with Australian financial institutions.

Re:Enough (1)

Noodlenoggin (1295699) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312502)

... and depending on the financial institution you cannot actually withdraw any monies until you've entered their premises and signed all the paperwork. At such time they also require you to bring in your 3 pieces, totalling 100 points of ID.

Re:Enough (1)

JimBobJoe (2758) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313334)

Technically they did open two accounts but I believe what you said still stands.

Opening a bank account isn't exactly a path towards identity theft. Money laundering, perhaps, but large transfers in and out of the account will raise flags and investigations will ensue.

Besides, I hear hotels in Europe often photocopy the identity pages of passports. Does this mean that hotel clerks all over Europe could run to Australia and open up bank accounts in other people's names, and if that's true, what are they going to do with those bank accounts?

Before we get into this too deep... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31312374)

...let us not forget that there is no actual *evidence* to indicate that this was actually an action of the Israeli gov't. There's just been a lot of hot wind coming out of Dubai, and a bunch of finger pointing going on in the world. So until there is some evidences, let's not let this spin out of control into a pro-zionist vs. anti-zionist flamewar.

Re:Before we get into this too deep... (1)

pipedwho (1174327) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312780)

...let us not forget that there is no actual *evidence* to indicate that this was actually an action of the Israeli gov't. There's just been a lot of hot wind coming out of Dubai, and a bunch of finger pointing going on in the world. So until there is some evidences, let's not let this spin out of control into a pro-zionist vs. anti-zionist flamewar.

Maybe Israel has been set up?

It comes down to what nations (or organisations) had the capabilities to do what was done with the various passport forgeries, actors, intelligence gathering efforts, etc. And then what nations had the motive and desire to set up Israel in this way (or to get rid of that particular Hamas operative).

Dubai probably checked their short list of suspect countries and not only did they see Israel at the top of the list, but it seemed to be the only one on the list. So whoever did it either expected it to get away with it undetected, or to have it blow up in Israel's direction.

As far as the media is concerned, they just parrot what they're told. I can't imagine that any useful research was done by any media organisation beyond absorbing press releases from various government spokespersonnel.

Re:Before we get into this too deep... (2, Insightful)

hyades1 (1149581) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313132)

Yeah, it's not like Israel has ever been caught red-handed doing this before, is it?

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-751918.html [encyclopedia.com]

FFS kdawson! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31312580)

We know you believe your beloved Australia deserves to be on the front page of Slashdot every day.

That doesn't mean it does deserve to be there.

Can't we go even a single weekend without seeing non-stories from your country being plastered all over this fucking site?

Get a life, dude.

Fools! (1)

tsotha (720379) | more than 4 years ago | (#31312868)

Oh, sure, these criminals may think they're getting away with something, but in Australia the penalty for such things is the boot [wtso.net] .
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