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Calendar Bug Disables Older PlayStation 3 Models

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the probably-just-ubisoft-drm-kicking-in dept.

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JohnWilliams writes "The Sony PlayStation Network appears to be inaccessible to older ('phat') PS3 units. Players cannot play games that require a connection, even in single-player, offline mode, e.g. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. Also, the system date resets to January 1, 2000. Sony is 'looking into it.' Speculation abounds that it is a bug related to 2010 being incorrectly flagged as a leap year. The newer PS3 Slim models seem to be working properly."

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y2k anyone ? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313354)

I for one, welcome our y2k10 playstation overlords.

Re:y2k anyone ? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313796)

Isn't it usually referred to as Y2.1K? /nitpickery doo

Re:y2k anyone ? (3, Informative)

gerardolm (1137099) | more than 4 years ago | (#31314004)

Do you mean Y2.01K?

HA! (0, Flamebait)

ZDRuX (1010435) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313372)

I hope Sony gets sued to absolute oblivion over this. Not being able to play games you have paid for is abso-fucking-lutely un-acceptable for any reason other than your console being physically broken. At least in my books.

All these goddamn DRM schemes that backfire and companies never learn.. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my DRM-free games and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone!!!

Re:HA! (3, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313420)

It's a bug. And it's not because of any kind of DRM system with the bluray games. It's because of the trophy system:

It's the same story for other games that feature dynamic trophy support.

Re:HA! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313438)

It's because of the trophy system:

rubbish. older downloaded PS1 games won't start either. they give a "invalid copyright protection" error message

Re:HA! (2, Informative)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313444)

Yeah, that's why I said with the bluray games. Downloaded games obviously use a little bit different system.

Re:HA! (4, Insightful)

ZDRuX (1010435) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313534)

It's a bug. And it's not because of any kind of DRM system with the bluray games. It's because of the trophy system:

So you're saying it's ok for me to be locked out of my games because Sony's servers don't feel like giving out achievements at this time.

Re:HA! (0)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313572)

If it would be intentional, I would side with you. But all those games work normally even if you don't have an Internet connection, so it's obvious it's currently caused by the bug and not loss of connection to PSN network. Sometimes bugs happen.

Re:HA! (1)

mweather (1089505) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313614)

Sometimes bugs happen.

And sometimes they lead to lawsuits.

Re:HA! (3, Insightful)

Your.Master (1088569) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313670)

And sometimes they shouldn't.

This was an accident that is ultimately harmless, particularly in the long term, and will more than likely be resolved within a day or so.

A lawsuit is ridiculous at this point. Maybe if they let it go on for weeks, or if it actually destroys their peripherals.

Re:HA! (1)

mweather (1089505) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313724)

And sometimes they shouldn't.

Of course. When you can't win, you shouldn't sue. Otherwise, why wouldn't you? Sony sure as hell wouldn't hesitate to sue someone if they thought they would win.

Re:HA! (4, Funny)

The Mighty Buzzard (878441) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313816)

No, the reason you shouldn't sue is that suing someone because they pissed you off makes you an asshat.

Re:HA! (1)

laederkeps (976361) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313958)

Wait, I'm confused. I thought that was the American way(tm)!

Re:HA! (5, Insightful)

ZDRuX (1010435) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313674)

I understand your explanation of the bug, I'm just arguing that a game shouldn't be crippled by a simple bug that should be trivial to game avaialability offline. I'm just saying a game shouldn't be crippled by the system date. And the only reason I can think of why someone would want the date sync'd or the game made non-working due to changed system date was because of some form of DRM.

Maybe I'm wrong but this is the only reason I can think of. I just can't find it easy to accept their explanation for this, that's all.

Re:HA! (3, Insightful)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313446)

I hope Sony gets sued to absolute oblivion over this. Not being able to play games you have paid for is abso-fucking-lutely un-acceptable for any reason other than your console being physically broken.

Jesus fuck. Suing over temporarily not being able to play a game? The "sue everybody" mentality really has gotten ridiculous.

All these goddamn DRM schemes that backfire and companies never learn.. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my DRM-free games and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone!!!

What does it have to do with DRM? Calendar bugs have been a very common part of the computing landscape for many years.

Re:HA! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313470)

I hope Sony gets sued to absolute oblivion over this.

Jesus fuck. Suing over temporarily not being able to play a game? The "sue everybody" mentality really has gotten ridiculous.

Thats why I dont want to live in the US. Instead of solving problems like civilized people everyone sues right and left and demands millions in damages if you even looked angrily at someone. I demand, I want, me me me money money money for me.

Re:HA! (2, Insightful)

mweather (1089505) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313732)

Instead of solving problems like civilized people everyone sues right and left

How do two parties in disagreement over financial liability solve things in your country?

Re:HA! (1)

The Mighty Buzzard (878441) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313822)

Two words: Cage Match

Re:HA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313828)

one of them kills the other

Re:HA! (5, Insightful)

Jedi Alec (258881) | more than 4 years ago | (#31314022)

We talk to each other. We try to come to an agreement. If that fails a third party might get involved, especially if it's a disagreement between a company and an individual customer.

And once all those options have been exhausted...then we might bring in an actual lawyer.

Re:HA! (2, Insightful)

ZDRuX (1010435) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313480)

What does it have to do with DRM? Calendar bugs have been a very common part of the computing landscape for many years.

Sorry, but what do "computer landscapes" have anything to do with being unable to play my games due to a calendar screw up?

I've been playing video games since Commander Keen was being sold as shareware on a 3.5 floppy at your local VHS rental store, and I have *never* had a single problem with my computer or video games because of a "leap year".

The only reason I can see a video game not working because of mis-matched dates is because of DRM, there is no - and neither should there be, any reason why a game should be dependent on any date.

Re:HA! (0, Offtopic)

XAD1975 (1628499) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313526)

The only reason I can see a video game not working because of mis-matched dates is because of DRM, there is no - and neither should there be, any reason why a game should be dependent on any date.

Which leaves me pondering of Ubi Soft's move to enforce online connection to play their latest games. Yes, this is a sidenote, but it seems eye-opening of potential issues and customer relations for this DRM model.

Re:HA! (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313578)

But this case has nothing to do with DRM. All those games work just fine even if you don't have an Internet connection.

Re:HA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313654)

It does involve DRM.
The internal hardware clock has a fault, the hypervisor is now seeing completely screwed date - one that has decreased in value.
Login to PSN network involves checking the internal clock time - and you're kicked out if the value if 'out of range'. That's easy enough to fix, but it won't fix everything. You'll find that your downloaded content is no longer accepted (hypervisor DRM issue) and your PS1 games won't work either (hypervisor DRM issue)

Re:HA! (2, Insightful)

Khyber (864651) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313954)

My PSX games, actual PSX discs, work just fine.

Dunno about Blu-ray movies, but I know my Netflix disc won't work. None of the $2,000 in games I bought work (every single one has trophies/achievements.)

Also, try to play that game, it wipes your trophies. Hopefully those will come back once the servers fix themselves.

This is what they get for making varying hardware in the first place. They should have introduced ONE MODEL, with backwards compatibility all the way through. Leave in EVERY ADVERTISED FEATURE EVER, and ship a solid unit. Don't make different hardware revisions just to save money - they cut corners somewhere along the way and it is starting to come back to bite them in the ass.

There really needs to just be a massive uprising against Sony in court - they've rootkitted our PCs, they've given us crap invasive DRM, they've advertised one feature (BC) and stripped it from 100% hardware to part hardware part software in the next revision, then to full software in the next, and then pulled it totally the next hardware refresh, and now with the PS3 slim advertising campaign they're saying right on the kiosk wall in Best Buy "It does everything" when in fact it does NOTHING close to what the original did. IT IS PURE AND SIMPLE FALSE AND MISLEADING ADVERTISING, and they need the shit sued out of them so they'll NOT DO IT AGAIN. Screw the money - we can sue for a full injunction, and force specifically SCEA to stop operating in the USA until they get the consumers what they originally were advertised on TV, in magazines, - a PS3 with BC and the ability to install another OS. Damn hard drive size, since we can upgrade that ourselves. Give us the hardware and quit trying to dictate everything in our damned lives.

Re:HA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313684)

Not all DRM is dependent on an internet connection... *sigh*
Just because Ubisoft and others are using newer more anal DRM requiring the internet, does not mean all DRM does.
I've had lots of trouble with DRM long before an internet connection was required.

If DRM sees something (or thinks is does) it doesn't like, it shuts you down.
I was playing SW:KotOR many years ago, and suddenly it decided I had Daemon Tools on my computer and refused to run.
Thing is, I hadn't changed anything, I didn't have Daemon Tools (didn't even know what it was until the DRM told me it didn't like it).

Seems like more effort is expended making games not work than work.

Re:HA! (1)

Rytr23 (704409) | more than 4 years ago | (#31314092)

bzzzzt. Sorry, that's incorrect. I turn off the network connection and still could not play either COD or AC2. This is a disgrace. F Sony.

Re:HA! (4, Funny)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313606)

The only reason I can see a video game not working because of mis-matched dates is because of DRM,

Well, if that's the only reason you can think of, you're not thinking very hard, are you?

Re:HA! (4, Funny)

The Mighty Buzzard (878441) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313832)

Give the guy a break, he could just be stupid.

Or he could be following the longstanding tradition of not knowing what the hell you're talking about when bitching on the Internet.

Re:HA! (4, Insightful)

diamondsw (685967) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313548)

While people are far too quick to yell "sue" needlessly, it is a legitimate complaint that otherwise offline, single-player games should be unusable due to this glitch. Whatever happened to gracefully handling failure? A network connection has no business being a requirement (to the point of failing to play without it) for a single player game.

Suing as a means to modify behaviour? (2, Interesting)

CdBee (742846) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313594)

Potentially could suppliers be forced into higher standards by the fear of consumer litigation?

Re:HA! (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313620)

A network connection has no business being a requirement (to the point of failing to play without it) for a single player game.

But that's not the problem. On my PS3, an internet connection is available - I can browse the web just fine, but I can't log in to the Playstation Network.

Also, a network connection is not normally required for these games. The problem appears to have something to do with trophies - games that would normally work offline just fine, give an error if you have previously been connected to the network. It now tries to "sync trophies" and fails. If you had been playing purely offlinem I don't think this big would affect you.

Re:HA! (2, Informative)

batkiwi (137781) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313740)

It does affect consoles that have never had a network connection and never will.

Re:HA! (1)

bloodhawk (813939) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313624)

We are talking about electronics and software here, It all has bugs and potential failures, you don't sue when your fridge breaks down, you don't sue when your TV shorts, you either return it under warranty or if out of warranty you buy a new one or get it repaired. I hate sony with a passion, but for christs sake it's a mass produced piece of electronics, it is gonna have bugs. People are just lucky they will probably get this fixed for free, now if sony refuses to fix it THEN we can talk about suing.

Re:HA! (1)

aXis100 (690904) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313698)

Fair is Fair.

If game producers can sue users when they play games they don't own, then user can sue game producers when they cant play games they do own.

If they want to sell software as a service and use trophies to boost first sale value, it better freaking work whenever people want to use it.

Re:HA! (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313770)

If game producers can sue users when they play games they don't own, then user can sue game producers when they cant play games they do own.

That's fucking retarded. The two have nothing to do with one another. Copyright infringement is prohibited by law. Computers/consoles/software are not guaranteed by law to work all the time.

Re:HA! (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313972)

Fuck that, if they want to sell software as a service then it needs a service level agreement, 99.999999% uptime.

That needs to be written into law. NO IF ANDS OR BUTS. Write it that plain and simple, applied to all software sold by license.

Re:HA! (4, Insightful)

ZDRuX (1010435) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313708)

I view this a bit differently. If the drive-door fell off or the gears on the tray broke I would't suggest suing.

However, if your fridge doors locked and prevented you from using it each time you set the date wrong on the fridge, yes I would suggest suing.

I am not mad at the PS3 breaking, I am mad at the fact that rather trivial issues prevent people from playing fully functioning games on a fully functioning console system.

Re:HA! (1)

KamuZ (127113) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313904)

... A network connection has no business being a requirement (to the point of failing to play without it) for a single player game.

Ubisoft begs to differ on that statement.

Re:HA! (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 4 years ago | (#31314128)

Graceful failure? Whatever happened to a basic test suite. There's no way something like this should have made it out the door.

Re:HA! (3, Insightful)

The Famous Brett Wat (12688) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313648)

What does it have to do with DRM?

The DRM for games purchased on PlayStation Network seems to require that it be able to phone home and validate everything before it lets you play the game. This is impacting all of the games I've tested so far which were purchased from the PlayStation Network. Many of them just fail with an inscrutable error message ("Error HEXADECIMALSOUP") and refuse to start up. Others give you "demo version" mode and behave like you need to purchase the full product still.

Calendar bugs are one thing, but DRM which fails and locks you out of a bunch of stuff you paid for in the presence of such a bug is another thing entirely. If Sony gives me a nice discount voucher or PSN credit by way of apology for this inconvenience, I'll be less peeved, but I get the feeling that Sony (and their ilk) consider their self-rights-protection technology to be so damned important that no amount of inconvenience on the part of their paying customers is too much to ask. They'd be more concerned if a calendar bug allowed you to bypass all that license-key crap.

Re:HA! (3, Insightful)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313778)

The DRM for games purchased on PlayStation Network seems to require that it be able to phone home and validate everything before it lets you play the game.

But that doesn't seem to be the case. I've played downloaded PSN games plenty of times without having any internet connection. This glitch seems like an entirely different beast.

Re:HA! (1)

hanabal (717731) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313928)

it might be that the date bug is causing some internal mod prevention code to trip. This is why the console can still be used to watch blurays or browse the web or play ps1 and ps2 games. the mod code prevents access to the psn and ps3 games, which is exactly what people can't access at the moment. sony should hopefully be able to reset the mod prevention code remotely, via an online update or posting cds top the affected parties

Re:HA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313678)

Paid for product rendered unusable remotely. What's not suable about that?

Re:HA! (1)

aXis100 (690904) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313706)

I think it's completely fair. If game producers can sue users when they play games they don't own, then user can sue game producers when they cant play games they do own.

Re:HA! (2, Insightful)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313738)

Do not worry, if someone does sue, Sony will come to the UK and put a super injunction in place so nobody will hear about it.

Re:HA! (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313894)

"Jesus fuck. Suing over temporarily not being able to play a game?"

It's more than that - I can't use my Netflix disc - there is NOTHING to do with trophies on that. Every single game I have has some sort of trophy involved, so I'm essentially stuck with $2,000 worth of games I CAN'T PLAY, not what i wanted, especially since I'm on playthrough #22 of Heavy Rain.

The only thing that works, is internet browsing, and playstation 1 games - EVERYTHING ELSE is busted (except my linux install, that works no problemo, and thanks to hypervisor cracking, much much better!)

So I'm stuck with essentially an overpowered PSX with a web browser. For those that paid near $700 at launch (and still have it functional, with BC) they're stuck with a PSX/2 and web browser.

Haven't tried blu-ray movies, don't own any - have yet to find one I like that outputs at 1080p. All the ones I've tried are 720p, from four different rental places.

Re:HA! (0, Flamebait)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313940)

It's more than that ... So I'm stuck with essentially an overpowered PSX with a web browser

Well, gee, that's soooo much more than not being able to play a game. You can't use your other forms of digital entertainment either. It's like Sony infected you with AIDS or something, your suffering must be so great. I don't think you'll live to see another day, what a horrible situation to be in.

The only way this could be any worse is if slashdot went... NO CARRIER.

Re:HA! (1)

Narishma (822073) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313980)

Why are you acting like they will never fix this bug? Unless I missed something, it's just a temporary inconvenience to me. Certainly not something to get up in arms about.

Re:HA! (0, Troll)

Khyber (864651) | more than 4 years ago | (#31314062)

Let's see, I've been bitten in the ass by their rootkits on audio CDs, DRM on some of their PC games, I just finished busting EA's balls over Spore's DRM, and now this happens.

Sorry, when you sell software as a SERVICE, you need to be held to a SERVICE LEVEL AGREEMENT.

If I would sue, I would only sue to have that pretty much codified into law, damn the money.

Re:HA! (1)

CowboyBob500 (580695) | more than 4 years ago | (#31314358)

Calm down. They didn't do this on purpose, it was a bug, an accident. Accidents happen. No-one is to blame.

It sounds like you need to get out of the basement, go take a walk, and interact with the regular 3D world for a change and come back to your PS3 in a few days when Sony have fixed it. I'm no corporate apologist, but if you can't survive without your PS3 for a few days then its you who has a problem and not Sony.

Re:HA! (1)

DarkEdgeX (212110) | more than 4 years ago | (#31314120)

What does it have to do with DRM? Calendar bugs have been a very common part of the computing landscape for many years.

Because even offline games are unplayable, so it's clear some flaw exists relating to their protection mechanism.

Re:HA! (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#31314284)

Because even offline games are unplayable, so it's clear some flaw exists relating to their protection mechanism.

How does that follow? The Y2K bug would have affected offline systems if not fixed, and that had nothing to do with DRM.

Re:HA! (1)

zwei2stein (782480) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313460)

More likely, people will simply say "uhuh, it is broken, lets get new one", will go out and buy new one. This bug could end up being quite profitable: people will either come to service center and get software update (or just do get it done by friend) or they will buy new hardware.

Which is same reason why DRM scheme issues are never issue for average consumer because it either works just fine or end up not being big enough deal. It is customers who never learn.

Re:HA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313598)

More likely, people will simply say "uhuh, it is broken, lets get new one", will go out and buy new one. This bug could end up being quite profitable: people will either come to service center and get software update (or just do get it done by friend) or they will buy new hardware.

Profitable for who? They still sell ps3s at a loss.

Re:HA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313608)

last I checked sony were still losing money on the PS3 due to the last price cuts or at best they are breaking even, so this can only cost them money even if people go out and buy new ones.

Re:HA! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313478)

do you pay for online gaming with the ps3? no?

would you like to in order to have a better maintenance crew and quality control? then get xbox live.

this is the first time i've ever experienced a real problem with the psn, and because it's free, don't expect some speedy service like you would for cable and internet.

wait, internet and cable are paid services. that means that they're fixing one of the best free services for free.

if you still hope sony gets sued for this, i hope your ps3 never turns on again.

Re:HA! (3, Informative)

ZDRuX (1010435) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313582)

Dude, did you even read the article? SOME GAMES CANNOT PLAY OFFLINE. Lookup what offline means, its opposite of ONLINE.

Re:HA! (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313652)

The only games that can't be played offline are those that have some PSN component.

In other words, this ONLY effects games with online components, like trophies, or that require an active PSN account due to DRM (like downloaded PS1 games).

Offline-only games are completely unaffected.

Re:HA! (1)

mister_playboy (1474163) | more than 4 years ago | (#31314048)

other words, this ONLY effects games with online components, like trophies

All PS3 games released since January 2009 have had mandatory trophy support... I would assume the games most people are currently playing fall in that group.

Re:HA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31314102)

all new PS3 games (since about 18 months ago) require trophy support. so that's A LOT of games.

Re:HA! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313776)

Article? What article? All I see is some blog post where some guy rambles on about how his console is broken, and a forum thread where a bunch of people whine about their consoles not working. The closest to actual information we get is a Twitter post from Sony, who indicate they're researching the supposed issues.

But what we don't have is an article with researched facts. Hell, Sony hasn't even been given a chance to respond to the allegations yet! All we've got here are a bunch of random anecdotes from untrustworthy sources.

Re:HA! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313482)

I found the ps3 drm quite unintrusive. I just pop in a disc and it works. It doesn't even ask for a serial number. What's your problem?

Not again. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313380)

It reminds me of that OTA firmware upgrade that bricked things....

Complete and utter Sony DRM failure (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313396)

On my UK PS3, the date was reset to 31/12/1999 (a value you cannot input yourself manually) and then rolled over into 2000 some hours (5?) later.
None of my downloaded PS1 games will start - just gives an "invalid copyright protection" error message.
With the exception of Wipeout HD, none of my downloaded PS3 games will start.
None of my Blu-ray game disks will start.
My PlayTV device is not performing scheduled recordings
VidZone cannot be used, since it requires signing into PSN network to determine what region you're from

Re:Complete and utter Sony DRM failure (4, Interesting)

lorenzo.boccaccia (1263310) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313610)

I wonder if ubisoft will learn anything from this...
if - IF - I get tricked into buying an ubisoft "online only" game I'll make sure to see what the services guarantee are for the drm servers, and sue as soon as those are broken.

p.s. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2008/07/ubisoft-drm-snafu-reminds-us-whats-wrong-with-pc-gaming.ars

Re:Complete and utter Sony DRM failure (1)

TheDarkMaster (1292526) | more than 4 years ago | (#31314280)

Simple response? A big no.

Re:Complete and utter Sony DRM failure (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313986)

wow, parent is actually modded 'flamebait' for describing the exact issues that the problem has caused

It figures... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313400)

At least my brother can calm down, his hardware didn't toast.
He started calling Sony tech support 2 hours before they were supposed to close, apparently they were already closed, almost as if they did it intentionally.
(Please ignore the cheap attempt at inciting a paranoid mob. After all, what possible reason could they have for pissing off their customers on the day they got hit with a hugely visible bug?)

Microsoft has to love this (4, Funny)

tsotha (720379) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313418)

Oh, man, the party is at Balmer's house tonight.

Re:Microsoft has to love this (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31314098)

Only if you conveniently ignore Microsoft's Zune calendar bug. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zune#Zune_30_leap_year_bug)

Can someone explain the bug? (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313422)

Okay, 2010 was flagged as a leap year (which seems odd - I'd have thought you'd just want to check if the year is a multiple of 4, and you're good until 2100). Why didn't it just report to day as the 29th February?

And why doesn't the workaround of setting the date to 1st Jan 2010 or 1st March 2010 work? What is causing the date to reset? surely this is just a number read from a real time clock.

Re:Can someone explain the bug? (4, Interesting)

Sowelu (713889) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313456)

It happened because two different time tracking systems disagreed with each other and were stupid. System 1 said "It's February 29th, 2010", and passed it to System 2. System 2 says "WHOA, that's impossible, nuke it from orbit and start over". Why did they do it like that? Who knows?

Re:Can someone explain the bug? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313564)

the clock that is displayed on-screen is just some application level date. it's for 'display purposes only. changing this has no effect on DRM licenses restrictions (such as when you download a movie with an authorization to watch it once over the next 7 days).
the 'real' ps3 clock is a hardware device (I guess they changed model between the 'phat' and 'slim' hardware releases, which is why slim is not affected). this clock has read-only access via the hypervisor only.i don't think it's even possible to reset it - at least that's what was claimed in a Sony document describing the PS3 Linux kernel [ncsu.edu]
if the hardware RTC has a fault, they've got a real big problem

Re:Can someone explain the bug? (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 4 years ago | (#31314032)

Problem is I scrolled through the thing resetting my time and date - the PS3 fat can't roll over to Feb 29th 2010, I've tried it - so the bug might be on the other end.

If so, maybe the new slim models have the same bug?

9's (1)

toastar (573882) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313442)

well sony just blew there 3 nines rating. :(

Re:9's (1)

toastar (573882) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313448)

arg.... drunk and sleep deprived.... I meant Their... I swear!

Re:9's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313514)

Too late, Jonny... Internet doesn't forget this easily!

Re:9's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313560)

Not to worry, drunk and sleep deprived is probably an accurate description of 90% of posters here.

Re:9's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313592)

And the rest 10% are just otherwise crazy.

Cheaters get banned, whine about it (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313450)

First off, the whole "this is a calendar bug" thing breaks down the instant anyone thinks about it.

1) Changing the clock doesn't change anything.
2) 2010 isn't a leap year. Period. Like, at all.

The only thing in common is that they're older, modded PS3s. In other words, Sony is finally cracking down on cheaters.

And the cheaters are whining. Cry me a friggen river.

Re:Cheaters get banned, whine about it (1)

Dibblah (645750) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313508)

"modded PS3s"?

Uhm... There are no modded PS3s at this time.

Re:Cheaters get banned, whine about it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313604)

"modded PS3s"?

Uhm... There are no modded PS3s at this time.

yeah, not anymore.

I Told You All! (5, Funny)

sysusr (971503) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313524)

When I said the Millennium Bug would strike again, you all thought I was crazy! Who's laughing now?

They'd better fix this (4, Insightful)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313600)

If this a hardware/firmware issue, then I hope to god for Sony's sake that there's a quick and easy fix that users can apply at home. The problem is that even if they offer everybody a free trade-in to a PS3 slim (which would be cripplingly expensive), then a lot of users, self included, won't accept this. Trading from an original 60 gig PS3 to a PS3 slim is not an upgrade. It's a downgrade.

Why? Because the original first-gen PS3s had full PS2 back-compatibility, while the more recent versions don't. People like me, who got rid of their PS2 when they picked up a PS3, are not going to be happy in the slightest if it turns out we need to start hitting Ebay for PS2s.

Re:They'd better fix this (1)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313728)

I wonder if the firmware will actually update, the servers have a fit as the date on the machine does not match that of the server, and again, "invalid copyright protection" error appears.

Re:They'd better fix this (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31313760)

Serves you right for buying a gaystation.

D'oh (1)

mister_playboy (1474163) | more than 4 years ago | (#31314090)

I can't sign into PSN on my US 60GB, so it's looks like I'm affected by this... :(

Re:They'd better fix this (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 4 years ago | (#31314198)

People like me, who got rid of their PS2 when they picked up a PS3, are not going to be happy in the slightest if it turns out we need to start hitting Ebay for PS2s.

PS2s are still available retail for $99, as far as I know. Compared to the cost of replacing all the worlds old PS3s, throwing in a PS2 as a consolation prize is no big expense, plus it depletes the warehouses, probably a convenient way to discontinue the PS2. That's what a reputable company would do. Oh, wait, this is Sony, home of the root kit. No, I guess you're just out of luck.

Weird coincidence (1)

Cruciform (42896) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313626)

I just hooked my PS3 up after disconnecting it for a couple of weeks, and noticed the date was off and I couldn't connect to the PSN. Oh well, might as well read Slashdot! And I find this. Someone call James Randi, I think we found a psychic!

No PSN on sim yesterday (1)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313642)

My PS3 slim wouldn't stay logged in on PSN yesterday evening, didn't have any issues earlier that day. Not sure what the error code was, and I haven't tried it today (because I'm obviously at work).

Also interesting to see that also games on the PS3 have shitty DRM that requires online activation/presence. Are they really trying to kill gaming on all platforms?

Re:No PSN on sim yesterday (4, Interesting)

mjwx (966435) | more than 4 years ago | (#31314034)

Are they really trying to kill gaming on all platforms?

No, DRM is and has always been about killing 2nd hand sales. The piracy non-issue was just an excuse that no one would question whilst they went about removing your consumer rights. For over a year now publishers have been openly equating the 2nd hand market to piracy. The ultimate goal is to destroy all media they don't control, if DRM isn't stopped in the near future all games will require an authorised console, with authorised media, on an authorised display device and an authorised user and if any of these things fail authorisation then the whole system will stop working (for you at least).

So at least write to your representative (I know in the US this will do nothing but not all /.ers are in the US) about DRM.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, consoles have DRM built into the hardware. This makes it both more prevalent and more aggressive then DRM on the PC. It also makes it harder to remove.

Effects are rather... odd (4, Interesting)

Raxxon (6291) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313746)

It was refusing to install the Star Ocean Trophy set. I could get it to start Bayonetta, but when it attempted to load the first cutscene it just hung forever. Tried doing a number of things, nothing worked... And it wouldn't let me back up my data as the largest thumbdrive I own is 8gb and after removing ALL game data, installed demos and everything else I could strip, it claimed it still needed another 750mb of space (original claim was over 17gb). And of course it refuses to recognize either of my external USB HDDs as a target for backing up or reading data from...

So I started thinking "HD Failing" (it is an original PS3 after all). Figured I'd have it format the drive then reinstall and repatch my games. Nearly a 5 hour time estimate. Take a nap, wake up, see this.... "oh god damnit."

Re:Effects are rather... odd (1)

vlm (69642) | more than 4 years ago | (#31314232)

So I started thinking "HD Failing" (it is an original PS3 after all). Figured I'd have it format the drive then reinstall and repatch my games. Nearly a 5 hour time estimate. Take a nap, wake up, see this.... "oh god damnit."

AKA the "it just works" console gaming experience? Or are you running a PS3 emulator on a windows PC? I haven't had/heard that kind of agony in gaming since trying to get Wing Commander working by editing config.sys lines back in 1991-ish.

I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely curious, since your experience is supposed to be unpossible on a console.

Sony timer (5, Funny)

reybrujo (177253) | more than 4 years ago | (#31313790)

It is not a bug, it is the Sony timer [wikipedia.org] .

PS3 RTC "chip" firmware is probably bugged (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31314030)

The PS3's RTC is part of SYSCON (the microcontroller that handles general system control stuff, power sequencing, etc.), which is believed to be an ARM architecture chip. As far as I know, its firmware can be updated. I bet this bug originates in this firmware (it'd be rare for a hardware, dedicated RTC chip to have such a catastrophic leap year bug), and I bet Sony can update it to fix it (i.e. they wouldn't even have to work around this issue at the OS level).

It's A Bug (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31314088)

It is not preventing you from playing games because of DRM. It's a bug, the main bug related to offline games seems to be the trophy-sync operation, rather then failing in it's usual way when you're offline, it is crashing. As for the DRM'ed network games, if you want to buy a game that doesn't need the internet, don't buy playstation network games, buy something with a physical disk. Games you buy over the Playstation Network need you to be properly signed in to use, which is where the problem lies.

Problems happen. Whether or not this was preventable is a very, very difficult question. Before anyone shouts EVERY PROBLEM IS PREVENTABLE has never spent any time in real life. Hell, I've even had the OS give me an error message for a completely different file then what I was trying to run.
Not everything is knowable or preventable.
What matters here is how long it takes to fix it. Until now, I've never had a problem with the Playstation Network, (other then failures with my i-net connection).

Since when is a year = 2 mod 4 EVER a leap year? (3, Interesting)

kalidasa (577403) | more than 4 years ago | (#31314182)

Guys, it's really not that hard:
GregYear <- (appropriate year for start of Gregorian era in locale)

IF (month = 2 AND year MOD 4 = 0 AND (year < GregYear OR year MOD 100 > 0 OR year MOD 400 = 0))
{MaxDayForMonth <- 29}
ELSE IF (month = 2)
{MaxDayForMonth <- 28}
ELSE IF (month IN (4,6,9,11))
{MaxDayForMonth <- 30}
ELSE
{MaxDayForMonth <- 31}

(pseudocode style adapted for Slashcode)

How to fix Netflix PS3 (3, Informative)

BroadbandBradley (237267) | more than 4 years ago | (#31314310)

I ran into this problem last night trying to watch Netflix on the PS3. the Netflix disc gave me a cannot connect error.... Being a slashdot reader my first though was I'd done something weird with my router ports.. So Mucked with those for awhile first making sure I hadn't done something weird. Then I noticed the system date was wrong on the PS3. I tried "Set Time via Internet" which failed, then I Set time manually and tried Neflix again and it works as normal. I'm sure the Servers figured that a 10 year old packet was "timed out" and didn't respond (or the PS3 won't respond to communication from 10 years in the future).

Worked for me, didn't try any games yet though.

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