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Tethering Is Exhilarating (With the Nexus One)

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the free-to-roam dept.

Cellphones 211

timothy found this link (hat-tip to Tim O'Reilly) to a paean to the joys of tethering. "In a short post, Steve Souders explores the current state of tethering 3G connections via iPhone (on which he basically gives up, for the perfectly decent reason of not wanting to jailbreak his iPhone) and the Nexus One, with which he has great success. His writeup serves as a micro-tutorial ('use PdaNet's Android app') as well as an endorsement."

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first (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31339568)

mod me up!

Yawn (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31339574)

I'm not sure which is more boring - the article or the website its on. Seriously, how is this interesting enough to make it here?

Re:Yawn (2, Insightful)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339686)

Seriously, how is this interesting enough to make it here?

It might gave been interesting to watch his car being run over by a truck while he was so busy checking his ssh connection at stoplights.

Re:Yawn (4, Informative)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340078)

this is a waste. why pay $30 when you can root for free and tether for free? Every market app works once you root. It's not like there's anything special other than that you get more up to date (and more stable) software.

Re:Yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31340160)

Actually, the Blizzard Authenticator and a number of apps will check for su, prompt to have root, then will error out. Until the su program gets the ability to blacklist apps from asking for root, you won't be able to run a lot of DRM protected apps that just this week hit the app store.

Not Surprising (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339590)

Android is a vastly more open platform. Tethering on WinMo is also effortless, over both bluetooth and USB. I was under the impression that some iPhone carriers allowed tethering ... do they make it difficult to use?

Re:Not Surprising (2, Insightful)

a1056 (1296899) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339640)

No it's very simple, its just AT&T that is not allowing it until some vague time in the future. Even then they will likely charge something obscene for it. The iPhone suffers less from being a closed system and more from a poor cellular partner for most of the things that really annoy me these days, not that a more open less convoluted app store wouldn't help.

Re:Not Surprising (3, Interesting)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340088)

I've been with AT&T for a while, and you go into any AT&T store and look around at anything resembling a smartphone, and every last one of them supports tethering. It's a simple monthly add-on. There are even things that in no way resemble smartphones that do tethering just fine.

All smartphones except, of course, for the iPhone.

Can someone please explain the logic behind this? Why would AT&T offer tethering on Samsung, Nokia, RIM/Blackberry (just to name the ones I have used personally over the years), and not the iPhone? What logical reason is there for this? They'll gladly take your money on every other platform and offer you tethering.

Re:Not Surprising (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340340)

Because if someone gets crap tethering on a Samsung, Nokia, or BlackBerry they are going to blame the phone because they didn't get the "best" phone in the AT&T lineup which is presented in ads as the iPhone. Every carrier restricts their "flagship" phones somewhat if they don't think that some features aren't the best.

Re:Not Surprising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31340422)

Because tethering is theft? It is like getting free electricity with an efficiency apartment, and running a tier IV data center from it.

Re:Not Surprising (1)

Homburg (213427) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340246)

The iPhone suffers less from being a closed system and more from a poor cellular partner

Well, it suffers from being a closed system that allows a poor cellular partner to enforce a lot of customer-hostile bullshit. You can tether phones with AT&T (I'm tethering my bog-standard Sony Ericsson phone with AT&T quite happily), unless the manufacturer of the phone has decided to limit what the customer can do based on AT&T's whims.

Re:Not Surprising (1)

F34nor (321515) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340650)

Bullshit. I tether right now with AT&T. I bought my phone. Pay up front for freedom or be someones bitch for a discount.

Re:Not Surprising (1, Interesting)

kimvette (919543) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339644)

Many (non-US) iPhone carriers allow tethering but Apple strongly discourages it through technical measures. Their answer to customers is to contact the carrier for the provisioning files to enable tethering, and the carriers' response has been that Apple hasn't allowed them to deploy it, that they have to contact Apple. It's a game of passing the buck and customers are the ones getting pooched in the process.

It is trivial to enable tethering on a jailbroken phone but you can lose your "profiles" and "cellular data" settings tabs in the process, which can lead to visual voicemail being broken. I no longer have visual voicemail and since I am one of those users missing the profiles tab I need to learn how the profiles are configured and fix it at the shell prompt (courtesy mobile terminal or ssh).

Re:Not Surprising (1)

brian_tanner (1022773) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339842)

In Canada it just works. Turn it on, choose Bluetooth or USB, and if Bluetooth, do the "pairing" thing. Done.

Re:Not Surprising (1)

mikeroySoft (1659329) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340352)

Second that... it's pretty amazing. Don't even have to use USB, the iPhone can stay in the pocket thanks to Bluetooth.

Re:Not Surprising (5, Informative)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340208)

Many (non-US) iPhone carriers allow tethering but Apple strongly discourages it through technical measures.

FUD much? Tethering on the iPhone is blocked on the iPhone on AT&T. It is a carrier setting. Tethering has worked on the iPhone on Canadian carriers since the feature was released in a firmware update. The lack of tethering is an AT&T issue and the reason why they are blocking it is because the iPhone is actually popular whereas Android phones are a small niche so they are not worried about data usage on the Android platform.

Re:Not Surprising (1)

batkiwi (137781) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340468)

You are either mistaken or lying. I will assume mistaken.

Your provider may try to blame apple but the rest of the world is proof that it's not Apple's decision.

In Australia, with my Apple retail store bought unjailbroken 3.1.2 firmware running iphone, on the Three network, without any funky addons or modified carrier provisioning files, I do the following to tether:
-Open Settings
-Choose General->Network->Internet Tethering
-Click the on/off button

Very tough! STRONGLY discouraged! Passing the buck!

Re:Not Surprising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31339692)

I think it depends on where you live. I got my iphone unlocked after 6 months for free due to rules prohibits phone companies from making longer than 6 months bindings. After unlocking, I switched company and the new company supports tethering.

But we also have realistic data plans, they are not "unlimited" with limited usability but 20 gigabytes monthly 3G traffic for 30$ after which they might close data traffic for the rest of the month.

I have read that some phone companies supply Apple with configuration profiles so that everything works and if you choose a provider who has not done this, things like tethering might not work properly or disapper from the options. Personally I have had this problem with the tethering goes missing even though there are no such restrictions in my subscription. But since they do not officially support iphone I would have to switch provider to someone who supplies apple with configurations. :/ .. But I am not going to since my subscription are paid for by my work place..

Android sucks. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31339596)

No apps.
Crappy screen.
Violates dozens of Apple patents.
OS based on Lin-sux.
Why bother?

Re:Android sucks. (3, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339618)

Well, it's true that there are only about 1500 fart apps for android as opposed to the iPhones 7000, but many people are willing to make that sacrifice. I noticed the misleading article on the screen was posted today on Wired ... but it's still misleading.

Re:Android sucks. (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340226)

Well, it's true that there are only about 1500 fart apps for android as opposed to the iPhones 7000, but many people are willing to make that sacrifice. I noticed the misleading article on the screen was posted today on Wired ... but it's still misleading.

Games, games games. A lot of high profile game development companies are either not bothering with Android or have scaled back their release schedule for Android due to low sales compared with the iPhone app store even relative to the install base on each platform.

Re:Android sucks. (1)

Mark19960 (539856) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340806)

Not to mention the 10,000 that turn your iPhone into a flashlight.
We only have 84 (as of this writing) on Android market ... aww shucks... I am really missing out on the other 9,000 flashlight apps.

Re:Android sucks. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31339662)

We bother because we are not gay mac fanboys like you ac.

Re:Android sucks. (4, Insightful)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339770)

No apps. Crappy screen. Violates dozens of Apple patents. OS based on Lin-sux. Why bother?

I always knew that my general distaste for Apple Computer and its afficionados was based in fact. Thank you for the confirmation.

Re:Android sucks. (0, Troll)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339938)

No apps. Crappy screen. Violates dozens of Apple patents. OS based on Lin-sux. Why bother?

I always knew that my general distaste for Apple Computer and its afficionados was based in fact. Thank you for the confirmation.

Thanks for the trollmod, fanboy.

Re:Android sucks. (0, Troll)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340242)

Thanks for the trollmod, fanboy.

Hate begets fanboyism.

Re:Android sucks. (0, Offtopic)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340316)

Thanks for the trollmod, fanboy.

Hate begets fanboyism.

How did you go from "general distaste" to "hate"?

Re:Android sucks. (0, Offtopic)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340392)

How did you go from "general distaste" to "hate"?

Thanks for the trollmod, fanboy.

Was it your expectation that you wouldn't get some sort of reply from that? That it'd shut him up?

Re:Android sucks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31340098)

You probably got modded Troll because nobody could accidentally fall for the obvious flamebait comment that the GP wrote.

Thus, you are less obviously trolling an obvious troll.

Mod this guy a troll. (2, Insightful)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340254)

I always knew that my general distaste for Apple Computer and its afficionados was based in fact. Thank you for the confirmation.

So you admit prejudice then? Why do you care so much?

Honest slashvertisement? (1)

bertoelcon (1557907) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339622)

His writeup serves as a micro-tutorial ("use PdaNet's Android app") as well as an endorsement.

I don't think I have every seen a summary admit it is an endorsement before. It even has timothy and kdawson's names on it. Is this some sort of alternate reality?

Re:Honest slashvertisement? (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339684)

Personally, I love slashvertisements so long as the editors are up front about it and the material is worthy of reading...

And who cares if they make a few bucks on the side. No skin off my back so long as Slashdot keeps delivering the articles people want to read.

Re:Honest slashvertisement? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31340140)

youre my hero. can i ass fuck you? i really like you and i am big and black.

webOS Tethering (1)

El Royo (907295) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339642)

Tethering on webOS is also very simple. In Europe, it's enabled by default and on Verizon you have the built-in hotspot app. On Sprint, though, you'll need one of the homebrew solutions.

Re:webOS Tethering (5, Informative)

ZX3 Junglist (643835) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339760)

For Sprint, O2, you can use the one-time-purchase MyTether, which as of the newest version 2.10 is working quite well. From the site http://mytether.net/ [mytether.net] :
* Allows you to share your O2 UK, Verizon, and Sprint 3G from your Pre to your computer, iPod Touch or other WiFI devices.
* WiFi network name & WAP key customization options
* Makes your Pre into a MiFi-like Mobile HotSpot at your convenience to share your 3G connection.
* Converts Palm Pre into a Wireless Network adapter by letting you share the WiFi connection on the Pre instead of your 3G when tethering over Bluetooth or USB.
* Network usage graphs and total data usage for the session
* Reported to work with iTouch/iPhone, PS3, Xbox 360, Eye-Fi, and will probably work with your WiFI device!
* Ability to turn off the LCD without putting your device into sleep mode.
* Convenience features such as restoring the old WiFi connection when tethering is disabled, prompts to take care of pre-requesties to tethering, remembering settings and last tether options, restoring modifications to settings back to original value upon exit, and many more to list.

Re:webOS Tethering (1)

Lobachevsky (465666) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339776)

Yep, tethering with Palm Pre on Verizon is probably easiest to use implementation I've seen so far. I wish the app was available for Sprint's network too.

Re:webOS Tethering (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31339818)

You can do it for free on Verizon if you want - mytether.net. No need to pay verizon's crazy costs. (of course, maybe you are already doing it this way :-)

iPhone Tethering (0, Troll)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339646)

...on which he basically gives up, for the perfectly decent reason of not wanting to jailbreak his iPhone

Did he buy the special-ed version of the iPhone? The iPhone offers tethering. Easy and effortless. Without jailbreaking.

Not to mention that article was one of the biggest wastes of my time and I'm sitting in Iron Forge waiting for my dungeon queue to pop...

Re:iPhone Tethering (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339668)

Not in the US. AT&T's network can barely handle the iphone data, let alone a laptop which can download multiple pages at the same time.

Re:iPhone Tethering (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31339726)

So it's really a network problem, and not a phone problem. Now, you may say "Well, you can't use the iPhone with another network in the US" but that's a different complaint.

Re:iPhone Tethering (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31339792)

Semantics. I can't do what I want with the iPhone. I don't give a shit about which part of the system is broken.

Re:iPhone Tethering (2, Informative)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339732)

I'm in Canada where tethering is possible but I thought AT&T began offering tethering last ... June? July? I could well be wrong... Actually, checking the Apple website, I see that I am wrong - it is not currently available in the US. Ah well, yet another example of AT&T sucking it up...

Anyhow, the point remains - tethering on the iPhone is effortless and easy. Apparently outside the US...

Re:iPhone Tethering (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340050)

AT&T can barely supply data to the iPhone without tethering... can you imagine how pissed off everyone would be if they could tether? I mean, they might even have to improve their network or buy more spectrum to serve their customers, those jerks who expect a service when they pay for it.

wait...others can tether? (1)

sys_mast (452486) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340114)

I guess I don't keep up with iPhone news outside the US...but is this really something that is done outside the US. If that's the case I now think even less of Att, didn't know that was possible!!!

Re:wait...others can tether? (1)

grub (11606) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340640)


I guess I don't keep up with iPhone news outside the US...but is this really something that is done outside the US. If that's the case I now think even less of Att, didn't know that was possible!!!

iPhone 3GS on Rogers in Canada here.

Tethering via USB and Bluetooth works peachy, no jailbreak necessary (although mine is)

.

Re:iPhone Tethering (1)

Cramer (69040) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340506)

That's odd since they sell "laptop connect" bundles and pretty much every other phone they sell (or have sold for many years) can be tethered to a computer and work just fine. Yes, their 3G network is way overloaded and coverage is shit. But allowing or disallowing tethering on the iPhone won't make much of a difference. This comes down to pure greed. They've sold millions of these things and want a way to extract even MORE of everyone's cash. They are mistaken if they think all of those phones are going to be tethered to people's computers the instant it's officially available. I know a lot of iPhone users; many of them enabled tethering long ago (and it's still functioning in 3.1.3 without screwing anything else up.) And yet, they rarely use it... because when they're in places without "traditional" access, surprise surprise, they have no 3G coverage. (personally, where I'd tether, there's no AT&T signal at all.)

(Note: you don't have to have a "tethering" plan to use tethering. I've tethered to phones that don't even have a data plan :-) [not recommended if you're the one paying the bill.])

Re:iPhone Tethering (1)

Francis (5885) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339866)

Are you sure about this? I believe that to enable tethering on an AT&T iPhone, you either had to:
  1) Jailbreak and install some stuff
  -or-
  2) Use a .mobileconfig file to change your settings, which would only work on OS3.0. Since Apple stopped signing OS3.0, you can no longer downgrade your OS to 3.0 if you have a 3GS iPhone. The only way to downgrade to 3.0 is if you had SHSH on file somewhere, which you had to do before Apple stopped signing OS3.0.

If you know how to "easy tether" your iPhone without jailbreaking, please post instructions, I'm curious.

Re:iPhone Tethering (1)

earthbound kid (859282) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339934)

If you know how to "easy tether" your iPhone without jailbreaking, please post instructions, I'm curious.

1. Move to Canada.

2. Sign a contract with Rogers.

3. There is no step 3!

Re:iPhone Tethering (1)

Francis (5885) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339994)

I like this "move to Canada" idea of yours, but I'm not a big fan of "Sign a contract with Rogers". 3 year contract AND no free nationwide long distance calling AND relatively small data AND not as many minutes AND no rollover.

Canadians really get screwed on their wireless bills :(

Re:iPhone Tethering (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340328)

I like this "move to Canada" idea of yours, but I'm not a big fan of "Sign a contract with Rogers". 3 year contract AND no free nationwide long distance calling AND relatively small data AND not as many minutes AND no rollover.

Canadians really get screwed on their wireless bills :(

Really? I'm paying around 89 CAD per month for 6GB of data, 250 week daytime minutes, unlimited 5pm-7am local calling+weekends, some texts, free tethering, visual voice mail, call display, who called. Most of the time Americans talk about paying 100+ dollars per month. Long distance? What if you don't have anyone you want to call outside of your local area on your cellphone? What if you have VOIP will unlimited long distance at home through cable your cable company? Since I work until 5pm, I effectively have unlimited local calling.

Re:iPhone Tethering (1)

trapnest (1608791) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340414)

89 CAD is ~86 USD. I pay 140 USD per month for two lines with: Unlimited voice, data, SMS. (Real unlimited data, not "unlimited till you use 5GB") If I was the only one on my line I could get the same thing for 59$. There are companies in the US that do unlimited everything for less. The US government may be fucked up, but I am glad I don't pay what I'd pay in europe or canada for mobile service or home internet.

Re:iPhone Tethering (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31340694)

broadband in .ca is cheap, I pay CA$19.95/mo for unlimited (really unlimited, have hit over 300 GB) 10Mb/1Mb cable.

Re:iPhone Tethering (1)

Francis (5885) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340558)

I have a 2 year contract, I pay $64 for 450 anytime with rollover, 5000 minutes (3.5 days!) nights and weekends, 200 text, unlimited data, free nationwide long distance.

I don't know about you, but the biggest thing for me is the no long distance charges. I move around a lot, and it's hugely liberating to not have to wonder if you're in your calling area before you pick up the phone, or where your contacts are.

In the US, most people don't even bother to change their cell numbers when they move because everyone's got free long distance anyways.

Re:iPhone Tethering (1)

LittlePud (1356157) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340296)

You can still use .mobileconfig files on the latest 3.1.3. Just use the iPhone Enterprise Configuration Utility (official download from Apple site). I used it to change APNs in order to get PPTP VPN working.

Re:iPhone Tethering (1)

Francis (5885) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340436)

You can still use .mobileconfig files on the latest 3.1.3. Just use the iPhone Enterprise Configuration Utility (official download from Apple site). I used it to change APNs in order to get PPTP VPN working.

Is there a tutorial or something available for how to use this?

The ones I've read are very long and involved, and involve jailbreaking:
http://www.redmondpie.com/fix-iphone-3.1.2-tethering-and-visual-voicemail-vvm-ows754/ [redmondpie.com]
http://www.redmondpie.com/enable-tethering-on-iphone-3g-3gs-3.1.2-firmware-eqw846/ [redmondpie.com]

Re:iPhone Tethering (1)

stephanruby (542433) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340556)

Did he buy the special-ed version of the iPhone? The iPhone offers tethering. Easy and effortless. Without jailbreaking.

Apparently, he upgraded to 3.1.

Is 'special-ed' the new code name for version 3.1 of the iPhone? What happened to calling the iPhone a girl's name ending with the letter "a"? I've got to say I'm not too hot about that new name.

Not to mention that article was one of the biggest wastes of my time and I'm sitting in Iron Forge waiting for my dungeon queue to pop...

Do not even pretend to have read the article.

The article being a waste of time was just a lucky guess on your part.

Only in Canada you say.... pity.... (1)

Eggz Factor (455382) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339670)

I'm with Fido in Canada. I have the 6GB/mo plan for $30, and no problems tethering whatsoever.

Re:Only in Canada you say.... pity.... (1)

sl149q (1537343) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339802)

Ditto.... the only confusing part was realizing that you need to have iTunes installed on your (Windows) laptop to get it to work (so the correct drivers are available.) If your laptop is your main Windows box you probably already have iTunes installed... but if you normally run iTunes elsewhere it can be a bit confusing when it doesn't work.

You don't need iTunes, you can tether bluetooth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31339848)

I have 6GB Fido as well. You can also Bluetooth tethering to a laptop. I have a netbook (no way I'm installing iTunes on this slow little thing), but works tethering wireless via bluetooth is great. I keep my iPhone in my pocket, and walk around with my netbook fully connected. I even did a skype video chat over 3G - just as good as my LAN connection.

I wouldn't call is "Exhilarating" or anything, but it is pretty cool to video chat in a moving car (as a passenger) or on a boat. :)

Re:You don't need iTunes, you can tether bluetooth (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340018)

I really like being able to set-up a hotspot in a conference room where IT are a bunch of pricks (ok overworked, and dealing with crazy mandates).

over the last year i've definitely made some people happy at multi-company meetings with the ability to get them all access to e-mail with no fuss. This is on a G1 (that I did root).

Don't know what the article is about, but I really like that I can just set-up a wifi network in 3 seconds, not sure if the iPhone does that either.

Re:You don't need iTunes, you can tether bluetooth (1)

grub (11606) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340722)


Don't know what the article is about, but I really like that I can just set-up a wifi network in 3 seconds, not sure if the iPhone does that either.

There's an app for that. [rockyourphone.com]
(but only for jailbroken iPhones)

Late to the party (1)

Jonboy X (319895) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339702)

Tethering is awesome, as many non-iPhone smartphone users have known for years.

I used to tether my Sprint Treo with PDANet, when I swore I'd never pay Comcast another red cent. My sister uses PDANet on her G1 to avoid signing up for an internet connection she doesn't use much, and I used my rooted G1 to look up geocaches on the road from my g/f's laptop. The rooting process is pretty painless now, so I'd imagine that it's just a matter of time before the telcos start clamping down with usage caps.

You can tether on an iPhone if you are a developer (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31339710)

iProxy works pretty well on an iPhone :

http://wiki.github.com/tcurdt/iProxy/ [github.com]

You have to be a developer to compile and run it on your phone. He has a helpful setup guide for phone and laptop.

I don't see why people dismiss jailbreaking so readily. There are basically no downsides to it, other than sometimes if you want the latest update you have to wait some time.

Re:You can tether on an iPhone if you are a develo (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31340240)

uh let see because its not standard operation or feature you dumb fuck.

I don't really see what the big fear is. (2, Insightful)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339712)

Not a particularly interesting article, but I'm eating dinner and my brain is sizzled, so why not?

Then it all came crashing down. iPhone 3.1 came out. I had to choose between visual voicemail and tethering or consider jailbreaking my iPhone.

A search [redmondpie.com] on Google points one to the website which holds mobileconfigs for most global cellular providers. Downloading and installing the appropriate profile enables whatever support is needed. (It's also how one enables T-Mobile's MMS and Internet support rapidly.)

I’m gearing up for some travel so revisited the topic of tethering. I was stunned when I spoke to AT&T tech support two days ago and they told me they support tethering. How did I miss this?! Then the guy said I had to jailbreak my iPhone. It seems weird to have tech support recommend jailbreaking. I guess that’s a result of the AT&T/Apple love/hate relationship.

They shouldn't be telling people that because (a) that doesn't require a jailbreak and (b) jailbreaking is technically a contractual violation. That could get that CSR in trouble. NOTE: I'm all for jailbreaking; my iPhone certainly is. I'm just being pedantic.

I tested it last night at home, but the real test was this morning. I stopped for coffee at Peets, booted up Windows, tethered my Nexus One, opened a ssh session, and drove to work. At every stoplight I verified my ssh session session was still active. I was reading email, surfing the Web.

Reading mail and surfing the web WHILE DRIVING? That almost sounds responsible. ALMOST.

I really don't see what all the fuzz is about in regards to jailbreaking iPhones. Doing so doesn't seem to cause substantial harm to daily operation. In fact, it enhances usability even more since it allows applications that would never make the App Store, but are incredibly useful, to get installed (ex. SBSettings, which makes toggling all sorts of stuff dummy-proof and FAST, MobileTerminal, Veency for remote control, OpenSSH for obvious reasons, etc. et al). It's not hard at all to do (though it does make upgrading more cumbersome; hardly a disadvantage, though --- wait, isn't jailbreaking an iPhone easier than rooting Android?).

Re:I don't really see what the big fear is. (3, Informative)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339928)

isn't jailbreaking an iPhone easier than rooting Android?

No. I used an autorooter on my G1. Jacked the phone in to the USB, ran the program ... and I was rooted. I don't know how much easier it can get, really.

Re:I don't really see what the big fear is. (1)

slimjim8094 (941042) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340142)

Sounds like jailbreaking an iPhone. Plug it in, run the program, wait for it to restart...

Re:I don't really see what the big fear is. (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340302)

Sounds like jailbreaking an iPhone. Plug it in, run the program, wait for it to restart...

Pretty much exactly that.

Blame Canada! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31339716)

We crazy Canucks have had iPhone tethering on the (stock/non-jailbreaked) iPhone since the 3Gs models came out. You can tether through Bluetooth or USB. I've used it a few times before, but not too much, since I only have a 6GB/mo data plan. This is on the Rogers network; I don't know if Bell or Telus offer tethering. Can anyone confirm that?

I think AT&T must be pressuring Apple to leave the feature disabled, as there poor network is already strained pretty badly, from what I hear.

Re:Blame Canada! (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339744)

At one point AT&T said they planned to support tethering. But like you said, I think they are afraid of the data load.

What I am afraid of, is how much it will cost...

It is great other countries get this enabled though, it was really effortless to use when I used the 3.0 profile trick before...

Re:Blame Canada! (1)

acidrainx (806006) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340272)

But not too much since you have the 6GB data plan? Are you saying you actually get anywhere near 6GB in a month? I've had my 3GS for almost a year now and I'm only now coming up on 1GB (for the whole year).

I also endorse PDAnet for Android (1)

billlava (1270394) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339734)

I've been using it since I got my Droid last year. It works great, it is frequently updated, and allows me to surf the web on an actual laptop while (riding) in a car on the freeway. I use it for everything short of gaming, and who knows, maybe it would even work for that! Best of all, Verizon still hasn't freaked out about data usage, and I go through a LOT in a month.

Re:I also endorse PDAnet for Android (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339798)

I've been using it since I got my Droid last year. It works great, it is frequently updated, and allows me to surf the web on an actual laptop while (riding) in a car on the freeway. I use it for everything short of gaming, and who knows, maybe it would even work for that! Best of all, Verizon still hasn't freaked out about data usage, and I go through a LOT in a month.

Personally, I use Wireless Tether for Root Users, but if you're not rooted PDANet is pretty cool (that was the first program I used before I decided to go with Cyanogenmod on my G1 instead of the stock firmware.) I understand it handles both USB and Bluetooth now.

Re:I also endorse PDAnet for Android (1)

Hays (409837) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340406)

I'll second that endorsement. PDAnet is pretty slick. Tethers through USB or Bluetooth (although bluetooth is much harder to configure).

Coming up next week.... (1)

Kryptonut (1006779) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339740)

Bluetooth File Sharing Induces Orgasm (With the Nexus One)

Re:Coming up next week.... (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339824)

Bluetooth File Sharing Induces Orgasm (With the Nexus One)

Yes, and there will be a followup about all the people who've been treated for nex-addiction.

I called up T-Mobile to see about getting a G1, but was told that they're only sold through Google. So I went to google.com/nexusone, and discovered that if you're a new T-Mobile customer, it's $179 with a two-year contract, if you're an existing customer it's $279. and you're only eligible at 11 months for a 1 year contract, and 22 months for a two-year contract.

Phooey.

Re:Coming up next week.... (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340054)

If you haven't re-upped since last October, call them.

They will let you break contract for free, and go to one of the cheaper no contract plans ($20 less/month). then buy a Nexus one full price.

If you have signed a contract since last October, then too bad...

Apple lock in tastes like crap (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31339746)

Justify it any way you want, fanbois, but Apple is the kings of lock in.

Re:Apple lock in tastes like crap (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339908)

Justify it any way you want, fanbois, but Apple is the kings of lock in.

They used to say that about IBM ... but Apple seems to have taken over that spot in the public's eye. Certainly Apple won't get any of my money, not with their attitude.

I started out on an Apple ][ Standard (Integer ROM, no less), hell, made a living at it doing custom programming. Back then openness was the name of the game, and Apple Computer was the king of cool (or should I say, "insanely great") to people like me. Sadly, Apple stopped being something special a long time ago. Now they're nothing but JABOS (Just Another Bunch Of Suits) protecting their oh-so-valuable "intellectual property." Gagh. Yeah, they've come up with some nifty tech, but other than that I think they're litigious pricks who need to be taken down a notch. I hope they decide to go after IBM on patent infringement ... watching the Nazgul slowly disassemble SCO was highly entertaining, and I wouldn't mind seeing IBM take some of the shiny off this particular fruit. But nobody with a functioning business model and something to lose would make that mistake. Still, one can always hope.

I really don't like that company, and if you Mac people expect me to apologize for any of this, you little know your man.

Re:Apple lock in tastes like crap (1)

Mr Stubby (1122233) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340364)

I think that's a bit of a stretch, It's down to the average stupid consumer buying devices they want and cant really afford on contract to a telco and then complaining when they dont get everything they want. I haven't bought a phone on contract since the 90's and I never ever would. Maybe there's less choice in American but that's another problem not so much Apples. Here in Australia i bought a 3GS, unlocked from an apple store, stuck in my Vodafone 3g data sim, and it tethers fine, no jailbreaking, no client login program like the vodafone USB dongle and better reception at/around work where i use it, I dont need to find or download the vodafone install disk/files if i format/change computer.. so if anything it's better than the modem vodafone sold me, its faster and just works better. Anyone getting excited about phone tethering now is so behind the times it isn't funny.

Re:Apple lock in tastes like crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31340400)

No doubt but they have what really matters right now, the hardware. I JB'd my 3GS the day I got it and it's a pretty powerful little device. You can have rsync running in the background, VPN and almost any other *nix program that you care to cross compile. Personally when I knew I could get through the OS and the hardware specs were right I'd drop the money on it. What will I buy next? No idea, this type of hardware device is what I was looking for and there wasn't much out there like it when I bought it. Now everyone is making similar hardware so will Apple keep me? Who knows, if they put something out that I can't get anywhere else (after revA of course) then sure, otherwise I will goto someone else.

Loving tethering (1)

mozumder (178398) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339814)

Droid tethering with PDAnet and MacBook Pro on Verizon network works great. Speed is actually better than my work DSL!

iPhone does work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31339858)

tethering works great on the iPhone, usb or bluetooth, can't be easier.
on Rogers I get 100 KBps down sustained, latency is just good enough for ssh.

Well here is my horror story. (0, Troll)

vosester (1163269) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339894)

I the got the iPhone 3G on 02 in the UK when it come out. I finished my contract, well it was canceled for non payment, for been three week late with a payment, which I payed off the following week, effectively early terminating, costing me £280.

So 02 offers an unlock, So I put in my IMEI number in there web system and nothing, I try again still nothing. So I ring up customer service which is awful, and ask them to unlock it, they say I have to go to the shop where I bought it. So I go and ask, they say I have to ring customer services. By now I am fuming with rage.

I ring up customer service and asked for an unlock, they say I am not in the system, I give account details and three months later still not unlock.

I believe that when my contract was closed, My IMEI number was removed from the system.
I keep ringing customer service and I have to keep explain my situation.

This is Apple’s and 02’s fault for there stupid unlock system which can not be done locally (Some would say that’s a good system)

Now I am on T-mobile and I can not use the iPhone’s, inbuilt tethering.
Because my phone is not unlocked and requires signed setting from the carrier, which i don’t think T-mobile provide.

Basically getting anything done on the iPhone has become so much trouble that I am done with it and I am getting a N900.

It is 2010 tethering should not be this much of a problem, data is data. It is simple greed.

A big shout out to all the people behind the jailbraking and unlocking tools.

With out you guys my phone would be an over priced paper weight.

Jailbreaking is now a 5 minute process (2, Interesting)

linumax (910946) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339954)

and it's virtually impossible to break/brick your iPhone in a way that it won't be restorable. In the rare event you manage to brick it, the only danger is losing the (in most cases useless) warranty. But that doesn't really matter because Apple support will check the humidity sensors and if they are not triggered, Apple will give you a replacement. They will not bother discovering whether the device was jailbroken or not. It costs Apple more to determine an unknown problem than to give you a refurbished or even new iPhone.

Re:Jailbreaking is now a 5 minute process (2, Informative)

Joe Tie. (567096) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340128)

Five minute? It takes more than that just to back up the data on the phone before updating. I'd say it's closer to a full half hour, with the download factored in. More if you take time to read other peoples experiences before doing it. Bricking it might not be a huge danger, but winding up with a half functional system is. So all in all I'd put it closer to 45 minutes. And it's 45 minutes that you'll be repeating over, and over, and over again. While finding some apps don't work, waiting for others to catch up, etc.

I shrugged it off for the first half year I had an iphone. But there's not a chance in hell I'd put myself through it again. You shouldn't have to fight your system just to use it.

They don't understand jailbreaking (1)

Grizzley9 (1407005) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339960)

"(on which he basically gives up, for the perfectly decent reason of not wanting to jailbreak his iPhone)"

You know how a non-jailbroken iPhone works and looks like after being jailbroken? Exactly the same. So instead of this app store you go to this other app store. Only difference. I really wonder why some are so afraid of doing something so simple.

Re:They don't understand jailbreaking (2, Insightful)

Bigjeff5 (1143585) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340202)

Oh, I dunno, could be the potentially voided warranty on a $600 item.

Or maybe it's Apple's habit of bricking jailbroken phones with updates?

Not to say that such things aren't possible with Android updates, but given the completely opposite culture the two come from, I feel much safer with my android.

Plus, as has been noted, rooting an android phone takes all of 20 seconds, and it gives less of an advantage for the simple fact that less is locked away from you in the first place.

Re:They don't understand jailbreaking (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340378)

Ok, think about this, your battery goes out on your iPhone, it is jailbroken and of course didn't have anything to do with the battery. But, since the tech notices it was jailbroken, they refuse to honor your warranty and you are out of luck. Unfair? Yes. Stupid? Yes. A big deal for someone trying to keep their $600 phone around for 2 years? Yes.

Re:They don't understand jailbreaking (1)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340568)

My girlfriends jailbroken 3GS looked the same as the non-jailbroken one, but Wi-Fi stopped working after a few weeks. Then it stopped booting. I had to do an emergency restore to fix it and she decided she'd rather stick with the official software ever since.

Yes, Android wins in tethering (1)

esocid (946821) | more than 4 years ago | (#31339982)

His writeup serves as a micro-tutorial ("use PdaNet's Android app") as well as an endorsement.

Yes it does, but that's it.
It amounts to half a page of an anecdote about the guy having a hard time getting it working on his iPhone, but downloading an app and it working fine on his N1...

Special app? (2, Interesting)

Wolfkin (17910) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340000)

Tethering is built into the n900. I had no trouble providing internet for my home network via 3G during snowmaggedon last month, when my internet went down. I use Ubuntu, but I'm sure it would have been about as easy with Windows or Mac.

Summary (0, Redundant)

Aurisor (932566) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340062)

Some guy owns an Android and tried tethering. He says he likes it.

Exhilarating? (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340270)

That doesn't really sound like an appropriate descriptor - unless you happen to get giddy with excitement whenever you get a low-speed internet connection.

Palm WebOS (1)

markdavis (642305) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340354)

Tethering in Palm Linux WebOS on Sprint is easy as pie. Just load MyTether and off you go- no "jailbreaking" (there is no such thing on WebOS, since there is no need) and in minutes you are able to tether with USB, Bluetooth, and multi-client WiFi as a real access point with optional WPA. 3G goodness @ 2Mb/s+ :) Of course, it is under the table and should be used responsibly (especially since if you go over your 5GB "unlimited" data plan, Sprint may come a knocking on your door).

Re:Palm WebOS (1)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340794)

Or if you are on Verizon and willing to pay extra for the feature, they allow you to use the Palm Pre like a myfi to feed up to 5 devices. Plus the interface for doing it is the easiest/nicest out there. No worries about knocks on your door.

Advert (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31340434)

Cut to a beach, a guy is using his iphone engaged in a futile struggle trying to get it to tether to his laptop. He scratches his head, tears out his hair and collapses as the product fights off his every effort.
THEN from a shimmering background in slow motion a guy reaches into his pants and pulls out the T1, it gleams in the sunlight momentarily and he types in the commands to tether it to a laptop. The MOMENT he does this, he orgasms in the SHEER EXHILARATION of it's awesomeness.
Then we see him surfing the marketing companys website, smoking a cigarette.

Stupid fucks.

My N900 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31340612)

...connects via a USB cable to my Lenovo X200t running Ubuntu and it charges while I use the cellular network. Why are there so many advertisements on /. and what's so elusive about tethering? Why do I need 'apps' when I have a fully-functional web browser? Nonsense.

Why would I need to have that application? (1)

jobst (955157) | more than 4 years ago | (#31340800)

This is not a flamebait, but a serious question.
I have a Xperia and I can connect my desktop/laptop without any additional application straight to my mobile (linux or windows) using bluetooth/wifi/usb. Why would I write a story "oh I can connect my laptop to my phone"???
I have been able to do this for a while using Fedora/Centos/ubuntu/xp/2000 with my current and previous phone.

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