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Venezuela Bans Hostile Videogames and Toys

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the hostile-autocrats-still-ok dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "In an effort to 'help improve child education and prevent misconduct,' the Venezuelan government began enforcing a law on March 3rd banning war videogames and toys, imposing a fine and 2.5 years in prison on the production, distribution, sale, hiring and use of video games and toys inciting violent behavior. Alberto Federico Ravell, former director of opposing news network Globovision, has already come on twitter denouncing the authorities for seizing imported Gameboy, Wii and PlayStation 3 consoles, due to considering them violent."

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hugo... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31363970)

the benevolent dictator.

Re:hugo... (1)

Cryacin (657549) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364392)

Government banning violent video games in Venezuela?!?

At least in video games it's virtual violence.

Perhaps it's due to a guilty conscience that they are putting this in place. Any other explanation would simply make my head implode due to the density of hippocrasy.

Funny though how all thought stops when you "think of the children!" (tm)

Re:hugo... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364422)

hypocrisy

Re:hugo... (2, Insightful)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364550)

hypocrisy

Perhaps so, but reasons and what-ifs aside, I wonder how they plan to block the vast amount of browser games that are certainly violent? How do you stop the internets?

Do they really think it's possible to put a block on every violent game link? What about phone games? I seem to recall that Quake 1 just got ported to Andriod or iPhone?

Interesting stance for a government to take, but really, honestly, truly. Goodluckwiththat.

Re:hugo... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364692)

Good for Venezuela! And FUCK YOU to game companies that manipulate the natural aggressive impulses in small children and others into game play. Just who do these fuckers think they are - messing with the minds of kids that are still in pre-school. Also, a special shout out to the irresponsible parents who let their kids play these games. I have seen 5 year old kids playing the most violent games, and then going on to emulate and model what they play in real life. It's like handguns. We are a pretty stupid society in certain ways - and great in others. Letting the worst kind of violent images into our kid's heads is just plain IGNORANT. Oh, yeah, I'm a cognitive neuroscientist; I know a fair amount about how young brains model certain kinds of behavior, and the harm that leads to in terms of how those young brains frame conflict situation, and solutions for resolving them. FUCK YOU! EA, and every other company that makes this shit and lets it get into the minds of our kids - for what? - for your fucking stockholders??! You're a bunch of greedy sociopaths.

Re:hugo... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364810)

oh, yeah, the juvenile brains on this board that defend violence in gaming, especially when exposed to young children, are themselves framing things in terms of what THEY learned from these games. they are a lost generation. Sure, that may lead to some aggressive statements here, but rest assured that they are really screwed, because their parents were MIA about this issue. Hooray for Venezuela!!

Great, but don't go overboard (1, Insightful)

DontLickJesus (1141027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364000)

As a gamer this saddens me. As a parent I applaud the effort. However, seizing the consoles seems overboard. Many non-violent games exist. Seize the games, not the consoles.

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (5, Insightful)

wmbetts (1306001) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364022)

How about seize nothing, because this law is retarded.

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (5, Insightful)

alexborges (313924) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364026)

As a gamer talking to a parent I ask you: WHy in hell do you want ME to suffer for YOU to educate YOUR CHILD in whichever way YOU decide?

Do I violent gamer have a say in how you educate your children? Then why do you advocate in favor of people telling ME how to educate MINE?

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (1)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364338)

Not only that, but confiscating video game consoles is sure, without doubt, 100% going to make those people more calm !
Not sure about everyone else, but if you want me to not turn into a dangerous driver, taking my car is not how you do that, and if you do, I'm going to be ... well, not very happy!

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (1)

rimugu (701444) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364502)

>Okay, conspiracy theorists. If we are in the "Brave New World", where the fuck is my free drugs and obligatory orgies?

Haven't you seen the education and the fashion being promoted this days. Anyone advocating against drugs and orgies, is ridiculed. We may not be in "Brave New World" already, but we cannot be far.

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (2, Insightful)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364086)

As a gamer you should be educated enough to know which games are appropriate for a child, and as a parent you should be aware of what he/she is up to and police them yourself. As a parent I understand children are willful and disobedient at times, but once he's old enough to sneak one by me, he's probably old enough to handle some nudity and violence without turning into a serial killer.

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (0)

DontLickJesus (1141027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364462)

I have no problem with nudity. Violence is another matter. I do understand everyone's arguments against "government censorship" and what not, but the argument about jail time is silly. The only people that will end up thrown in jail would be those who willfully continue to make violent things after the law is passed. I know how to teach my children, and I help them to discern these things every day.... but who needs it, seriously? Are we really entertained by the blood and gore? Obviously... but it's sad. Sounds hippy and tree-hugger I'm sure. But violence isn't entertaining to me, it's crass.

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364510)

Good for you, but how about you let people make their own decisions?

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364536)

Violence isnt what makes (most) violent games fun. Few games that rely on violence are good games, but plenty of good games have violence as the setting.

People playing StreetFighter aren't going to go out and start mettsu-hadokening each other, the game is fun because of its balance and the feel of the game. Why ban it just because from an outsider perspective its just a bunch of people fighting?

Same with Counterstrike, Warcraft(omg it has WAR in its name!), Quake, Nethack.. Really anything that isn't a puzzle game tends to include some form of violence. Stomping on people and throwing fireballs is pretty violent, but I dont think Mario made me a bad person.

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (0, Flamebait)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364114)

How about as a parent you watch your fucking kids and leave everyone else alone?

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (2, Funny)

toastar (573882) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364210)

watch your fucking kids

if your kids are fucking you have bigger problems

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364298)

Yeah. Grandchildren!

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364326)

Better that they fuck than fight.

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364128)

As a parent, I lament losing the opportunity to be able to teach my child right from wrong and instead having state opinions foisted upon children.

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (4, Insightful)

0racle (667029) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364132)

As a parent I applaud the effort.

You are the embodiment of everything that is wrong with actions and laws such as these. It is not the governments place to parent your children yet you cheer them on every time they do.

You think of your children, no one else should have to.

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (2)

Virak (897071) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364138)

As a parent you applaud them giving out time in prison for the "production, distribution, sale, hiring and use" of violent video games for everyone, in the name of 'protecting the children', even when there's no evidence of it harming anyone? The whole thing is ridiculous on multiple levels. You shouldn't be applauding factually baseless think-of-the-children moral panic laws imposing harsh punishments and broad restrictions of the rights of others even as a parent.

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (3, Insightful)

ChromeAeonium (1026952) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364148)

However, seizing the consoles seems overboard.

Seizing anything is overboard. You might applaud the effort, but what do your kids learn? That responsibility is someone else's problem and that you have the right to control what others do? Those are the attributes of a reckless bully, exactly how we teach kids not to think. Parents should be against this for that (and the whole freedom of speech trampling of a universal human right thing).

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (2, Insightful)

DontLickJesus (1141027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364360)

If you read the article, it says things that "incite violence and hate". Sorry, but over the years I've grown tired of the military writing war simulators to train my kids. I've played these games, I know what they are. Child or adult, it just glorifies violence. If the US were more focused on deterring violence instead of sexual explicitness we'd be far better off. Sex is natural, killing other humans is not.

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (4, Insightful)

jombeewoof (1107009) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364414)

killing other humans is just as if not more natural than sex.

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (1, Interesting)

DontLickJesus (1141027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364546)

People killing other people is not natural. It's largest form, war, is incited by government and religious establishments. Usually due to a disagreement that none of those involved actually give a damn about. I grew up in Texas in a town where the military steadily recruited tons of my friends... to what end? To quote System of a Down: "Why don't presidents fight the war? Why do they always send the poor?". No one but the mentally ill kills because they want to. The functionally mentally ill get others to do it for them.

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (2, Insightful)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364490)

Sex is natural, killing other humans is not.

Whaaaa? Killing is very natural and we have been doing it since day zero. It's taken a long long time to bring that natural act under control, and it still slips out now and then.

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (1)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364174)

As a parent I applaud the effort.

How so? It is *your job* as a parent to raise your kids and it is not the government's job to harass the rest of us.

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (0, Flamebait)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364238)

As a gamer this saddens me. As a parent I applaud the effort.

As a parent, you seem to be a reactionary retard that applauds "For the Children" campaigns mindlessly w/o considering the true motives of the people behind it nor the true societal burden/value of your perceived ideeal solution.

I would venture on the whole of society, violent games have a cathartic effect rather than a columbine one. Humans don't like rainbows and everyone being happy, they are attracted to violence and strife. If the games don't give it to them, they'll turn elsewhere.

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (4, Insightful)

dwiget001 (1073738) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364240)

As a parent, let alone a human being, you should really FIND OUT about who Hugo is and what he has done to the people of his country.

I work with person from Venezuela, his family is here (U.S.) from Venezuela and they are all, everyone, completely opposed to mad-man, his usurping of power, his decimating the what freedoms the people of his country had, etc.

Hugo and the antics of his government deserve the ridicule and condemnation of all free people. This gaming thing is just a small small piece of the overwhelming oppression he has rained down on his people.

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (1, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364318)

Considering the wealth disparity in that nation what did they expect?

Of course the poor are going to go for this guy, they had been getting screwed by the same old rich jackasses for a long damn time. I am not saying Chavez is a good leader or a good person, but these folks via their actions led to his election. Anyone who had the money to leave the country was probably part of the reason this guy is in power now. You can only fuck the vast majority of your population so for long before bad shit happens.

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364378)

You are a gamer and still cannot bother to screen the games your kids play yourself so think that the entire country needs to be cleansed of any of these possibly objectionable materials?

Re:Great, but don't go overboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364386)

when will people like you learn that banning expression does not ban the action it represents. if anything, banning the exprsesion makes it all that much more likely for violence to be committed.

Story at 11 (4, Insightful)

Citizen of Earth (569446) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364020)

Tinpot dictator does something stupid. Story at 11.

Re:Story at 11 (3, Interesting)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364142)

Chavez does seem to have an ambition to turn "his" country into the new North Korea.

The sad thing is that the locals seem to be applauding him. Seriously, there will be comments on this thread saying "OMG THE US/UK IS JUST AS BAD".

No, they're not.

Re:Story at 11 (2, Interesting)

royallthefourth (1564389) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364242)

Why not?

I am not aware of Venezuela under Chavez starting wars on the other side of the planet.
The economic and quality of life graphs on Venezuela's Wikipedia page generally show sharp increases around Chavez' rise to power. The biggest harm he's done is to foreign business interests who were stepping on his electorate.

Re:Story at 11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364560)

Because a quality of life graph on Wikipedia is clearly indicative of the success of Hugo Chavez.

Re:Story at 11 (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364778)

Soviet peasants agree: life never better!

Re:Story at 11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364638)

The economic and quality of life graphs on Venezuela's Wikipedia page generally show sharp increases around Chavez' rise to power. The biggest harm he's done is to foreign business interests who were stepping on his electorate.

You're mistaking quality of life as the most important factor to everyone.

For many people, including myself, freedom is worth so much that they would be willing to die for it.
I'm pretty sure that being dead is the lowest you can go on the "quality of life" scale.

Even so, is life really high quality if you're not free?

Re:Story at 11 (5, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364698)

So then don't move to Venezuela?

If you actually had a rough life you would not say that. If you have not eaten in a week violence in video games and the freedom to play them is way down on the list of shit you care about.

Re:Story at 11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364712)

Don't expect a foreign culture to operate on your value system

Re:Story at 11 (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364730)

Yeah why start wars on the other side of the globe when you can simply destabilize your neighbors...

Re:Story at 11 (1)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364522)

Look, I agree that this is a crackpot law, and I have serious doubts about the viability of Venezuela's economy under Chavez. And, yes, he's a blowhard, a showboater, and a bit of a demogogue.

But Venezuela is nowhere near becoming the next NK, and is still very much a democracy. When a country with a lot of wealth has 70% of its population living in poverty, a redistributionist left-wing regime is going to be the inevitable result in a democracy, and for a (close) majority of Venezuelans, Chavez really has improved life (and not withdrawn civil liberties that meant anything to them.) This is as much a testament to the failure of the previous regimes as anything else, yet it still remains true.

And Venezuela is nowhere near NK as a society - it is still dynamic, pretty open, and democratic. I'm not a big fan of Chavez-styled left-flavored populism - I prefer Evo Morales' approach - but keep it in perspective.

Re:Story at 11 (4, Informative)

royallthefourth (1564389) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364156)

He's actually a tinpot democratically elected president.

Re:Story at 11 (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364310)

... Whom managed to change the constitution to extend his first presidential election from 4 to almost 8 years (He changed it from 4 to 6 year at the middle of his mandate) and to allow indefinite re-election periods.

Very convenient use of democracy, and many others are following these steps.

Re:Story at 11 (3, Informative)

royallthefourth (1564389) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364372)

He didn't just change it on his own. He gets re-elected with the support of his countrymen and gets to amend the constitution only with the complicity of the legislature.

Re:Story at 11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364814)

Oh, yes, people never gets tricked to vote for a dictator in a democracy and support them until it's already too late to remove them from the power. Like Castro, or Hitler, or Fujimori...

Go figure, a dictatorship is a type of governments that just never occurs in democracies. I wonder where do they come from?

Re:Story at 11 (2, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364404)

So he used a legal process to alter the government? Oh Noes! To me this looks like it might end up being another Salvador Allende.

Re:Story at 11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364596)

Yes, very legal processes using voting machines with software versions that weren't the audited ones, resulting in acquiring the information about the opposition working for his government, which coincidentally was expelled from their positions.

The fact that they call it "democracy" doesn't mean that follows the clear/clean process that it should.

Re:Story at 11 (0, Troll)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364716)

Citations?
Try to avoid any crackpot sites like foxnews.

Re:Story at 11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364802)

Of course, because I will tell you where that information comes from. After that, I'll go to a Venezuelan court and tell them to punish Chavez, right?

I was with an OAS/UN observer during the referendum process. I hope you trust your institutions, because I don't anymore.

Re:Story at 11 (3, Insightful)

pepeizquierdo (1124229) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364332)

Yes, a tinpot democratically elected president who for 11 years has been subverting all those democratic principles that allowed him to be elected in the first place. This cancer called Chavez has destroyed Venezuela's democratic institutions. His only aim is to stay in power for as long as he can. I don't think this will end well.

Not really (4, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364346)

He was elected to being with, and that election seems to have been fair. However since then he has been taking increasingly underhanded methods of retaining power, stifling dissent and so on.

Do remember that a large number of dictators are elected to power initially. They then just misuse the power and suppress freedom. That someone was elected initially doesn't mean they aren't a dictator now.

Re:Not really (5, Funny)

frosty_tsm (933163) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364400)

He was elected to being with, and that election seems to have been fair. However since then he has been taking increasingly underhanded methods of retaining power, stifling dissent and so on.

Do remember that a large number of dictators are elected to power initially. They then just misuse the power and suppress freedom. That someone was elected initially doesn't mean they aren't a dictator now.

I seem to recall a certain German dictator who I recall was originally elected, but I won't mention his name since I don't want to cause a Fuhrer.

Re:Not really (2, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364456)

And folks dealt with him we he started invading our friends. He might be a nutter but Chavez has not invaded anyone yet.

Re:Not really (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364636)

And folks dealt with him we he started invading our friends. He might be a nutter but Chavez has not invaded anyone yet.

Wrong: [csmonitor.com]

Venezuela plotted to kill Colombia president, Spain judge says

A Spanish judge on Monday charged that Venezuela plotted to kill Colombia President Álvaro Uribe, collaborating with rebel groups ETA and FARC to kill other political officials as well.

...

Information used in the indictment came from the laptop computer of a top FARC guerrilla commander killed by Colombian forces in 2008. In the months that followed, the computer files revealed what international intelligence officials say are close ties between the FARC and top members of Mr. Chávez's government.

So, not only has Chavez invaded other countries (a proxy invasion is still an invasion), Chavez has tried to assassinate the democratically-elected leader of another country.

And that's what we know of.

So you can stop lying for your favorite thug.

Re:Not really (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364744)

I think the guy is a dirtbag, but this if this is the worst you can come up with he might not be that bad. The USA pulls this crap all the time.

Re:Not really (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364660)

Hypothetically speaking, would you consider it just for outsiders to intervene if he started liquidating millions of his own people?

Re:Not really (3, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364424)

Considering we regularly used to oust elected leaders and that is how we ended up the the Iran of today, maybe we ought sit back and see how this plays out.

Not saying we should oust him (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364678)

However I AM saying that he's a dictator.

Re:Story at 11 (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364362)

That is how most dictators start out. Then they push for "reforms" that allow them to remain in office indefinitely and rig the elections. And that is exactly what he has done.

Re:Story at 11 (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364482)

Really? Because quite a few just get the USA to put them in power. The Shah is a nice example of that, and the end result was the modern state of Iran. So how about we not stick our noses where it does not belong?

Re:Story at 11 (1)

Vahokif (1292866) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364406)

So was Hitler. /godwin

You're doing it wrong (1, Insightful)

copponex (13876) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364498)

Palestinians electing Hamas? That's not democracy. Venezuelans electing Chavez? That's not democracy. Bolivians electing Morales? That's not democracy. Spain leaving Iraq because 95% oppose the war? That's not democracy.

Pinochet taking over Chile? Triumph of democracy! America invading Iraq? Triumph of democracy! The CIA and the Shah taking over Iran? Triumph of democracy! Turkey supporting the Iraq war against the will of it's populace? Triumph of democracy!

All you have to do is replace "democracy" with "American interests" and it all makes sense.

Re:Story at 11 (1)

nih (411096) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364166)

I'm a tinpot dictator you insensitive clod!

Re:Story at 11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364278)

Not a dictator man, actually a democratically elected leader (contrary to the desires of the US govt -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Venezuelan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt#Allegations_of_U.S._involvement )

Outrageous! (1)

Brett Buck (811747) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364646)

How DARE you talk about Ms. Pelosi that way! She's the duly elected... Oh, wait, nevermind.

     

Is This Really A Bad Thing? (3, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364028)

If they have no video games they'll go outside and play ... and then encounter other children who are being forced to have 'fun' ... which of course will result in some altercations ... a percentage of these will be violent ... and viola! They no longer need video games to incite violent behavior. Problem solved.

Re:Is This Really A Bad Thing? (2, Insightful)

alexborges (313924) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364078)

Prohibiting things that are not proven dangerous is plain stupid. Why would you want kids in venezuela to go out, if its one of the countries with the most terrible urban security problems in all of latin america?

Re:Is This Really A Bad Thing? (1)

tecnico.hitos (1490201) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364268)

Yeah, but what about me? I am an adult and I want to play video games.

Will they ban violent and pornographic graphic novels? What about movies and TV shows? What about books and songs?

It always infuriates me whan video game is treated like a lesser medium, like it is something for kids. Even if it was, those same kids can find examples of bad conduct in any other medium.

On a second thought, I think I might have failed to notice the sarcasm of parent post, but my opinion stays the same.

Re:Is This Really A Bad Thing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364508)

kinda funny:
my step-dad came in to my room while playing a FPS and said "dammit go outside, there are real people you could be shooting at!"

This will happen in America, too! (-1, Offtopic)

Knara (9377) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364030)

If we let that socialist Obama pass healthcare reform!

Hold on, wait a sec, what forum am I on again? It's Thursday, I'm a little confused.

ironic (1)

edxwelch (600979) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364066)

I heard that there was almost no gun control in the country

Re:ironic (0, Offtopic)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364244)

When everyone carries a gun, only the truly crazy people try and use them on another person.

Imagine being at, say, McDonalds and the rough looking guy in a ski mask brings in a gun, fires a few shots at the ceiling and demands all the money from the registers.

In a normal scenario in any heavily gun controlled location, the guy may end up shooting a couple of people and even get away with some cash. If everyone was carrying, the moment he pulled out his gun, the rest of the establishment will have a gun pointed at the perp.

It's a better situation. Think about it. Really think about it.

"Education and prevention of misconduct" (1)

Spatial (1235392) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364096)

Look in the mirror pal.

violence as entertainment is sick (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364098)

Violence as entertainment is disgusting. If folks get their jollies committing simulated murders and worse, they are sick. The more they engage in such behavior, the more their tolerance to suffering of others increases. Militaries use similar tactics to train their murderous automatons-- in the U.S., the kids get a huge head-start on the way to a violent career murdering brown babies and children abroad in the service of their rich / corporate masters' imperial wet dreams.

Re:violence as entertainment is sick (2, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364154)

Nice Troll, but if you want responses you should create an account. Also you might want to add some stuff about how these games are clearly for children.

Re:violence as entertainment is sick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364460)

Actually, no... it's a pretty sucky troll.

Re:violence as entertainment is sick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364488)

While I agree that it's sick and disgusting to some extent. Violence appears to be tied to human nature, violence was a mean to obtain food.

At least, if you are from Venezuela or Colombia, you'd probably agree that violence is everywhere. The poor become muggers/robbers and as an easy way to get money you'll get threat. Do you think bullying appeared from nowhere? There's a long list of embedded violence in our lives, just to come an blame toys and games.

Now tell me you don't watch any action movies/series, or even "real event-based" drama movies, which come with a high dose of embedded violence. On the other hand, sports such as hunting, boxing, etc. don't precisely encourage people to be peaceful.

Slippery slope... (1)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364146)

...on the way to becoming a repressive police state with a crazy dictator - oh wait.

Alberto Federico Ravell an Asshole Liar (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364152)

Im Venezuelan, linving in Venezuela. And the seizing of gaming consoles is a lie. The new law, bans violent games and toys. So since yesterday no violent videogames can be imported or sold. The goverment will refund the stores who have violent videogames on their shelves so they dont lose their investment, as same for violent toy. Thats all, Alberto Federico Ravell is a liar and a media terrorist.

Re:Alberto Federico Ravell an Asshole Liar (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364270)

Make an. account so folks see this. Hugo Chavez is no saint, but the folks who run the media attacks on him are no Mother Teresas either.

Re:Alberto Federico Ravell an Asshole Liar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364348)

Im Venezuelan, linving in Venezuela. And the seizing of gaming consoles is a lie.
The new law, bans violent games and toys. So since yesterday no violent videogames can be imported or sold. The goverment will refund the stores who have violent videogames on their shelves so they dont lose their investment, as same for violent toy.

Thats all, Alberto Federico Ravell is a liar and a media terrorist.

Is not a lie is actually a joke posted in Twitter

Re:Alberto Federico Ravell an Asshole Liar (4, Insightful)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364350)

Media terrorist, eh? All those poor DVDs and storage viciously butchered in his attempt to influenece their policies by fear...

Words have meaning. The meaning of terrorist is not "someone I don't like", despite US policy to the contrary.

As Wikipedia likes to say (2, Informative)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364448)

[Citation Needed]

You'll have to forgive me if I don't believe some AC who likes to call journalists "terrorists." I find it equally probable that you are simply a supporter of Chavez who is making shit up.

So, cite or GTFO.

Re:As Wikipedia likes to say (1)

Incubusxp (1107147) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364788)

If Ravell were a "Journalist" would just speak truth, Yes, Chavez has his Flaws... But at least he talks head on to people.

Re:Alberto Federico Ravell an Asshole Liar (2, Insightful)

jmpeax (936370) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364662)

Im Venezuelan, linving in Venezuela. And the seizing of gaming consoles is a lie.

You're a Venezuelan living in Venezuela, and the only thing you have to say is that the government is not seizing consoles? How about some outrage at the absurdity of this law? How about some disgust at the fact that your government is passing laws that shift parental responsibility to the state?

This is a silly ploy to make it look like the government is tackling crime. In actual fact, they are just trying to get political points at the expense of their citizens' freedoms and on the back of their citizens' fears [reuters.com] .

Re:Alberto Federico Ravell an Asshole Liar (2, Insightful)

royallthefourth (1564389) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364816)

He's not responding like an American because he isn't American.

People from different cultures have different priorities.

Kids will be kids (3, Insightful)

camg188 (932324) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364214)

What are they going to do when a kid picks up a stick and pretends it's a gun?

Re:Kids will be kids (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364494)

seize the stick

Re:Kids will be kids (2, Funny)

MrMista_B (891430) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364552)

Obviously, shoot the kid with a real gun.

Re:Kids will be kids (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364752)

An argument could be made that if kids weren't exposed to guns they wouldn't desire playing "guns". Toy guns have only been a part of the toy chest for a little over a hundred years, and really didn't take off until the arrival of television and all it's cool gun shows. 100 years ago that stick was more likely to be a stick, not a gun.

As a person interested in science (1)

piojo (995934) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364292)

I'd like to see what happens. I do not support this ban, but I look forward to reading about its effect on the behavior and crimes of children and young adults (assuming that a few years from now, someone manages to get good data about the behavior of children).

Yay! Finally some protection! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364438)

This is exactly the direction the United States is headed. Everyone expects the government to protect them from everything, because we claim no responsibility for our own behavior. I had no problem telling my kids they couldn't play certain games because they were too violent or offensive, but unfortunately good parenting skills and responsible people seem to be harder and harder to find.

Fortunately, we have our government to protect us from ourselves....

Black Market Games.... GO! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364478)

Yep.... gonna be a lot of fallout from that one.

Please stop this "Save the Children" bullshit. Focus on improving ethics, education, empowerment and (most importantly) Family Values. All this crap will go away.

Whatever (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31364526)

Violent crime rates among youth in 1st world countries has been in major decline over the last 20 years. Only the sensationalism of media makes it seem worse now.

If violent video games increase violent tendencies of our youth, it's not very good at it.

We should go back to when young men were drafted and trained to kill, women and darkies knew their place, and violence was only glorified in books, stories, movies, tv, poetry, play...

the "good old days".

The results of censorship (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364576)

Well if this plays out anything like the Japanese pornographic censorship it may just create the sickest most violent media ever conceived, see tentacle erotica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tentacle_erotica). Excerpt: "the practice [was invented] to get around strict Japanese censorship regulations, which prohibit the depiction of the penis but apparently do not prohibit showing sexual penetration by a tentacle or similar (often robotic) appendage."

ISPs (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364710)

Aren't they distributing hostile flash videogames? Should all flash, silverlight, advanced html5 and java be blocked to avoid breaking the law?

Internet is the ultimate test to tell when some law is just stupid, and you don't need to be a "benevolent dictator" to have in your portfolio a lot of that kind of laws.

Caracas didnt want any competition (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364782)

The capitol of Venezuela also happens to have the highest per capita murder rate in the world. They just seem to be following the rest of the world...if you cant blame someone blame video games and anyone who doesnt want to be one of those statistics knows not to blame Chavez's regime.

Alberto Federico Ravell Liar (0)

Incubusxp (1107147) | more than 4 years ago | (#31364822)

Im Venezuelan, linving in Venezuela. And the seizing of gaming consoles is a lie. The new law, bans violent games and toys. So since yesterday no violent videogames can be imported or sold. The goverment will refund the stores who have violent videogames on their shelves so they dont lose their investment, as same for violent toy. Thats all, Alberto Federico Ravell is a liar and a media terrorist. He says that he is a "Journalist", Real Journalist speak facts, and shows evidence to back the stories.
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