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US Eases Internet Export Rules To Iran, Sudan, Cuba

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the wising-up dept.

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coondoggie writes "Looking to facilitate what it calls free speech rights in countries that don't look favorably at such liberties, the US government today said it would ease the regulations around exporting Internet-based applications to Iran, Sudan and Cuba. Specifically, the Treasury Department said it would add general licenses (PDF) authorizing the exportation of free, personal, Internet-based communications services – such as instant messaging, chat and email, and social networking – to those three countries. The amendments also allow the exportation of related software to Iran and Sudan, the department said in a release (the US Commerce Department controls software exports with Cuba). Until now all such exports would have broken federal laws."

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privacy? (3, Insightful)

tivoKlr (659818) | more than 4 years ago | (#31404788)

Sounds like a good way to gather intel on the people using this technology in these "friendly" countries.

Re:privacy? (2, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 4 years ago | (#31404946)

Sounds like a good way to gather intel on the people using this technology in these "friendly" countries.

Yeah, like ours.

bourbon (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31405000)

It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality', which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to paedophilia.

What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

  • Linus Torvalds [microsoft.com] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
  • Richard M. Stallman [archive.org] , spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
  • Alan Cox [microsoft.com] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [goatse.fr] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [microsoft.com] , which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'

As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [salon.com] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.

And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [comp-u-geek.net] slut [rotten.com] !

Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [goatse.fr] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [slashdot.org] . To quote from the article linked:

'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

Is this why you were touching your penis [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [goatse.fr] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual [goatse.fr] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.

Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.

In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware [redhat.com] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual [goatse.fr] practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake [slackware.com] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.

Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals [goatse.fr] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, [mandrake.com] an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis [rotten.com] , glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual [goatse.fr] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.

And Red Hat [debian.org] is secret homo [comp-u-geek.net] slang for the tip of a penis [rotten.com] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.

The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other [comp-u-geek.net] automatically.

The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously/anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.

More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.

Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherent gayness. For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [amiga.com] users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!

Even the title 'Slashdot [geekizoid.com] ' originally referred to a homosexual [goatse.fr] practice. Slashdot [kuro5hin.org] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [goatse.fr] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.eff.org/ [eff.org] .

The editors of Slashdot [slashduh.org] also have homosexual [goatse.fr] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [pboy.com] . (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis [rotten.com] discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot [notslashdot.org] runs on Apache!

The Apache [microsoft.com] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [goatse.fr] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.

And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.

To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS [apple.com] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'

FEEDBACK

What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [comp-u-geek.net] -calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.

You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [goatse.fr] child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!

you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you. -- mighty jebus [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [bodysnatchers.co.uk] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator [hitler.org] .

ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [rotten.com] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [zillabunny.com] .

Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?) -- double_h [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 [xbox.com] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!

dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT [linux.com] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [atheism.org] . Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.

Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man [stileproject.com] . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.

And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them. -- phee [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [python.org] (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'

One scary thing about Perl [sun.com] is that it contains hidden homosexual [goatse.fr] messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual [goatse.fr] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'

And PHP [perl.org] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?

Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa. -- Eimernase [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual [goatse.fr] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.

That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

*sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [atheism.org] 's work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.

However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)

In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.

Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [slashdot.org] . Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???

If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!

It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [catholic.net] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.

As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.

I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman [archive.org] .

Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

What the fuck?

I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [comp-u-geek.net] tend to be full of. Thank you again. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well bugger me!

ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Fuck right off!

IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [linux.org] , which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain [icopyright.com] . You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [apple.com] (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [rotten.com] cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat [adultmember.com] , but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.

Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.

Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.

Current changes: This version sent to FreeWIPO [slashdot.org] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?

Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.

ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!

Re:privacy? (2, Insightful)

tivoKlr (659818) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405002)

Exactly. Widen the net of surveillance by giving the tools used for communication to the enemy. It's not like anyone should expect any kind of privacy when using im/email/etc. regardless of locale.

Re:privacy? (1)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405792)

Sounds like a plan but...congress doesn't really like it when you try to spy on them.

Oh wait.... sorry, wrong meeting.

-Steve

Re:privacy? (4, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405014)

Yup...just like ours. [haacked.com]

Re:privacy? (1)

ndogg (158021) | more than 4 years ago | (#31410356)

Hmm, yes, privacy for people that don't have any within the borders of their own government. While I don't trust our government that much, I trust it more than Iran, Sudan, or Cuba, and I think that if we know more about what it happening within their borders we might possibly be able to help them out in the future.

Eh? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31404790)

US now cares about freedom?

Re:Eh? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31404796)

No but the feds have realized the stupidity of these restrictions.

Re:Eh? (4, Insightful)

trurl7 (663880) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405010)

You're talking about government. The US government in particular. The day they change the law because they "realize it's stupid", pigs will fly in line abreast over the Capitol.

The only time the law changes is when there is an advantage for those in power to do so (e.g. more money, more power, avoiding a nation-wide civil revolt, etc..) The question, as always, is "qui bono"?

Re:Eh? (3, Insightful)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405106)

Awww, aren't your generalizations cute!

If I go a hundred years without hearing "The government sucks because the government sucks!", it still won't be enough.

Re:Eh? (1)

trurl7 (663880) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405290)

Awww, aren't your kneejerk anti-generalizations cute too! We can have a little mutual admiration society meeting right here!

That said, the last principled social reform that I can clearly recall was that of the Gracchi brothers. Look up sometime what happened to them.

(Yes, for the record, sometimes the government manages to do the right thing - interstate highways, for instance. But someone still benefited, and not just in the hazy future. That's the real point here. And if you're claiming that self-interest and money are not a useful metric for evaluating government decisions...well, I just want to know what exactly is in that kool-aid you're drinking)

Oh, and she won't have sex with you either.

Re:Eh? (-1, Troll)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405584)

Awww, aren't your kneejerk anti-generalizations cute too!

Sigh. Reading comprehension fail. Next time, instead of rushing your post, try a little harder next time.

principled social reform

Not what we were talking about, were we? Nice try.

manages to do the right thing

Still not what we were talking about. All over the shop, this one is.

That's the real point here.

I don't think you'd recognize the point if it bit you in the face.

And if you're claiming that self-interest and money are not a useful metric for evaluating government decisions

Silly me. You didn't even bother reading what I wrote, did you? Not that I care, but why hide it?

Oh, and she won't have sex with you either.

Thank fuck for that. I'd expect it to be more disappointing than your reply, but not by much!

Re:Eh? (0, Offtopic)

trurl7 (663880) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405728)

Next time, please do try to write something worth reading...possibly making a point.

Claiming a "yada-yada fail" is a wonderful meme - but you're rapidly devolving into a troll with it.

And if your original reply had anything more valuable to contribute than a "I'll be clever by latching onto the fact of generalization and not the content", followed by a statement of general ennui, I'd love to hear it. I really would.

Re:Eh? (2, Informative)

palegray.net (1195047) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405940)

Jesus, both of you need to just stop.

Re:Eh? (2, Informative)

trurl7 (663880) | more than 4 years ago | (#31406080)

Agreed :)

Re:Eh? (-1, Troll)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#31406830)

Next time, please do try to write something worth reading

You must be new here.

not the content

Funny, I addressed that. Stop now before you hurt yourself.

devolving into a troll

Devolving? I'm almost insulted. Oh ye of good intentions...

Re:Eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31408122)

You mean "cui", not "qui", but yeah.

Re:Eh? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31405086)

And since when has that ever stopped them?

Re:Eh? (1)

mrclisdue (1321513) | more than 4 years ago | (#31407330)

nothing to see here....removing mods.....

Re:Eh? (3, Insightful)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405750)

Have they? They say they did it to "foster free speech".

I have a different take.... isn't it so cute, they think they matter!

As if nobody in Iran has instant messaging because....the US government said it couldn't be exported. To even think that a change in US policy on these technologies could now, or ever, have any such effect is either naive to the point of being cute and deserving of a pat on the head.... or so myopic, that their heads must be elbow deep up their asses.

Somebody should give them a gold star for effort.

-Steve

Re:Eh? (3, Informative)

Cassius Corodes (1084513) | more than 4 years ago | (#31407766)

This is not about IM or gmail or some other shit like that - this is about anonymity software like haystack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haystack_%28software%29) that has been designed to bypass filters and protect people from government surveillance that has been sitting and waiting to be released because of export restrictions that would make its release a crime. The authors have been loudly calling for this amendment for a while and I am glad that they finally got around to it. So instead of dissing the govt, you should be thanking them for doing the right thing, or at least righting a previous wrong.

Re:Eh? (1)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 4 years ago | (#31408984)

The authors yes, maybe, but only because they feel that helping Iranians (cubans, sudanese get around their laws is ok, as long as US law is respected.

What I am making fun of is, the idea that this has any effect on the Iranians. They have always been able to get this elsewhere, home grow it, or get it from people in the US who feel subverting authoritarians is worth doing, even if you can't put your name on it.

I thought this sort of thing was stupid when ITAR regulations prevented the export of RSA, its stupid that they didn't learn that they were attempting the impossible, and looking stupid doing it, when those were fixed... they still haven't learned that lesson.

-Steve

Re:Eh? (1)

Cassius Corodes (1084513) | more than 4 years ago | (#31409484)

As far as I know (I have been following the situation there closely but obviously I'm not on the ground) is that they have access and been using things like tor - but that this is not the best solution. I haven't heard of a home-grown solution but this is possible. The haystack program was design specifically with the Iranians in mind, and the surveillance strategies of their govt - I know the authors are well versed in the situation there in regards to the internet and they felt this program was necessary so I assume its functionality was not yet available.

It would seem logical that they would have distributed the program through back channels already but I have not heard it being used (of-course they would not advertise it - law or not). In any case this at least allows them to openly distribute it without additional problems.

Re:Eh? (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#31406518)

The real stupidity is, the restrictions haven't slowed the flow of information appreciably. People in Cuba who have access to the internet already HAVE all the encryption, etc, that's available to the US. The less wealthy people who can't get ready access to the internet can't get the latest and greatest technology, but then, they aren't the ones who are likely to use this technology against us anyway.

The bottom line is, we are punishing the wrong people by restricting these exports!

Re:Eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31407674)

...The bottom line is, we are punishing the wrong people by restricting these exports!

You got that right. Millions of people live in poverty in Cuba as a direct result of US sanctions against that country. The trouble is a lot of Cubans weren't even born when the events that triggered the US embargo happened. Every year more and more are born into US caused poverty that had nothing whatsoever to do with it. How on earth does that make sense? How would you like to be punished (and have your children and grandchildren punished) for something that your parents or grandparents did?

Re:Eh? (1)

Conzar (1603461) | more than 4 years ago | (#31408646)

12% of the USA population is in poverty. That's over 30 million people. In the USA, those people are paying for the poor design of USA's society.

Re:Eh? (1)

daem0n1x (748565) | more than 4 years ago | (#31411740)

Yeah, but the USA should leave the Cubans alone to design their society the way they want. If it results in poverty, that's their problem. As it is today, the Cubans are poor in direct result of American intervention.

Re:Eh? (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#31404840)

We have a strict policy of saying unkind things about any dictators who we didn't install personally(and a few who haven't been passing their performance reviews since we did)...

Re:Eh? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31404958)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus, don't say "we". If you got in the way of oil profits, they would kill you, too.

Re:Eh? (3, Insightful)

Ukab the Great (87152) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405880)

The US isn't a perfect country. But when our presidential election results were disputed (Bush vs Gore) no one got beaten, killed, arrested, or severely harassed by the authorities.

Re:Eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31406278)

No, but the wrong guy got the power anyway, so the same result. The only difference was that the lawyers did get the money instead of torturers and undertakers.

Re:Eh? (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#31406646)

"but the wrong guy got the power" simply translated, means "my side lost, and I'm a sore loser".

Are you referring to the 2000 election, or the 2008 election? It's hard to tell if you're a "liberal" or a "neo-conservative" with the info you have volunteered.

Re:Eh? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#31407310)

I think you're both giving the prez far more credit than he deserves. It's not like he can reign supreme against the wishes of those whose support he needs to stay in power. It's a self sustaining machine that will give you the power if you work in its favor and withhold it should you dare to stray from it.

Re:Eh? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#31407286)

Well, yeah, but still, when the dust settles, the result is the same: Its the guy that "was wanted to win".

The very definition of irony (2, Insightful)

srussia (884021) | more than 4 years ago | (#31404802)

You need a license to export ?

Better add "free-speech zones" to that list.

Re:The very definition of irony (1)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 4 years ago | (#31404904)

I would imagine that licensed export is better than banning export entirely although it is still ridiculous to restrict trade in any case as the software in question isn't classified.

Re:The very definition of irony (2, Insightful)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 4 years ago | (#31404990)

You need a license to export ?

Do you think that's strange, or that every other country doesn't have similar laws? If you have a company who manufactures things like weapons, aeronautics, or communications equipment do you want them selling that to national enemies?

Re:The very definition of irony (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405620)

If you have a company who manufactures things like...communications equipment do you want them selling that to national enemies?

National enemies like Iran [topnews.us] and China, [eff.org] right? Suddenly, the loosening of restrictions seems a bit more disingenuous.

Re:The very definition of irony (1)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405694)

National enemies like Iran [topnews.us] and China, [eff.org] right?

Exactly right, I'm sure the US would have appreciated if Finnish Nokia and German Siemens had not sold communications equipment to Iran. In this case, in specifically allowing communications software to go to those countries, it sounds like the US is trying to restore the people's communication capabilities which were taken away by the technology from Nokia and Siemens. More specifically, it sounds like the government is trying to give the people of those countries another way to undermine their own governments.

Re:The very definition of irony (1, Insightful)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 4 years ago | (#31406188)

I actually don't care about the nation states so called "national enemies".

Send them hydrogen bombs for all I care. Seriously. The whole security and fear meme is so overrated. We spent years preparing for a war that was plainly just never going to happen with the USSR, because the fucking idiots in charge on both sides were so afraid that the other one was planning to come after them.

The last thing we need is more excuses for these people to have pissing contests. Its ridiculous for them to think that any countries regulations on "exports" of this type matter one bit.

Every single one of these technologies has been in those countries for YEARS now. I would be shocked if people weren't using IM, as simply one example, in all three of those countries since the mid 90s.

The ridiculous thing is that these "nation state" jokers are taken seriously at all.

-Steve

Re:The very definition of irony (4, Insightful)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 4 years ago | (#31407484)

We spent years preparing for a war that was plainly just never going to happen with the USSR, because the fucking idiots in charge on both sides were so afraid that the other one was planning to come after them.

Written with 20/20 hindsight. I lived through that era and I can assure you that it wasn't that clear at the time. There were many points (e.g., during the Cuban Missile Crisis) when it looked like somebody was going to push The Button any day now. In one sense, MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) worked: the Soviets were just as afraid that we were going to attack them as we were of a Soviet attack with the result that both sides did what they could to keep tensions below the flash-point.

There's no one easier to invade (4, Funny)

presidenteloco (659168) | more than 4 years ago | (#31404842)

Than a country full of sedentary layabouts twittering to each other like chickadees
about the price of spice
and admiring their own portraits on facebook.

Re:There's no one easier to invade (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31405056)

You should have written that as a haiku:

New social warfare
Another nation brought low
By social networks.

Re:There's no one easier to invade (1)

aztektum (170569) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405428)

Tell you what, I wish I had cable news at home. I can't wait to see Cheney's head explode on Faux News over this deal.

Re:There's no one easier to invade (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31406356)

We could've sent Stinger-missiles, like that other country, but hey, what harm can a bunch of internet-enabled communication-devices do in guerilla-warfare?

What about instrumental piano CDs? (4, Interesting)

MichaelCrawford (610140) | more than 4 years ago | (#31404880)

For several years now I've been giving away free copies of my piano CD [geometricvisions.com] . I have received several requests from residents of Iran, and I would like very much to send them, but I haven't wanted to even try to figure out how to get approval from the Bureau of Export Administration.

It's not like my music is some kind of weapon.

You'd think that following the rules would just be a matter of looking up which countries are embargoed, but it's not that simple. In many cases it's not the country that's embargoed, it's specific individuals or organizations - in the case of Iran, it's the Revolutionary Guard, among others.

I'm pretty sure there's a procedure by which I could get a license, and I would be happy to go to all the trouble and expense that would be required. What I'm not looking forward to though is if and when I do get the required licenses, having to explain to the clerk at my post office that I have the permission of the Feral Gummint to mail my music to Persia.

Re:What about instrumental piano CDs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31405084)

It's not like my music is some kind of weapon.

Remember, Music is the weapon! [wikipedia.org]

free = gift (?) (2, Interesting)

Comboman (895500) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405154)

I would think that if your CDs are free, it's a gift and not really an export. I know many Cuban-Americans have been sending gifts to family in Cuba for years with no problems (at least, no problems on the US end).

Re:free = gift (?) (1)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | more than 4 years ago | (#31406636)

Every thing leaving the country is an export. The question is whether it's a taxable export, and whether your post office workers care.

This seems like a good thing to me. I know programs like Ventrilo [ventrilo.com] were a restricted export.

Re:What about instrumental piano CDs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31405462)

The cd's can be hurled in a frisbee-like manner towards adversaries, and decapitate them.

So, you're in big trouble.

Whats wrong with you anyway? Do you not like America?

cheers,

Re:What about instrumental piano CDs? (1)

corbettw (214229) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405504)

Why not make an ISO of your CD available on your website and then provide any country-specific filtering? If someone wants it, they can just download it and burn a copy for themselves.

Re:What about instrumental piano CDs? (2, Interesting)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405830)

It's not like my music is some kind of weapon.

Woodie Guthrie had a guitar that had written on it This machine kills facists [wikipedia.org] (larger photo here [wikimedia.org] )

Re:What about instrumental piano CDs? (1)

mirix (1649853) | more than 4 years ago | (#31406570)

Unfortunately, it wasn't entirely effective.

Re:What about instrumental piano CDs? (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#31406886)

Two easy and proven solutions:

1. Use a proxy country. send it to a country that has no export limitations to Iran.
2. There are companies, that offer you, to open a PO box in the US, and ship anything sent there to you. At least in UAE people do that, and so can buy anything you can get as a US company. The company itself does not care for any export limitations or anything, I think.

Re:What about instrumental piano CDs? (1)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 4 years ago | (#31407574)

It's not like my music is some kind of weapon.

But it is a weapon: a weapon of Cultural Mass Destruction. As long as young Iranians want to have it and the mullahs don't want them to, your music is a weapon pointed straight at the heart of the current regime. If people in Iran want it, send it!

Re:What about instrumental piano CDs? (1)

xaxa (988988) | more than 4 years ago | (#31408410)

Send it/an ISO to me (in the UK) and I'll forward them for you. There will definitely be no problem with Cuba. North Korea is fine too, although their government might stop the import of the CD.
(It's £1.38 to send an 80g packet to any of these countries.)

(The UK/EU does restrict what can be sent to Iran, but the only forbidden items are weapons or their components, or nuclear material. I see no problem whatsoever sending a music CD.)

I don't know about the USA, but here you can send anything anywhere without talking to anyone, so long as it fits in a post box on the street. You can either buy stamps ("£1 stamp and a 38p stamp, please") or pay for and print a special label online.

Re:Its not like my music is some kind of weapon.. (1)

Corxeaus (150276) | more than 4 years ago | (#31409334)

What if it puts everyone to sleep..That could be a kind of weapon, couldn't it? LOL at myself again..

Re:What about instrumental piano CDs? (1)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 4 years ago | (#31419292)

Completely off topic, I'd like to point out to other /.ers that I've requested and received the Geometric Visions disc that the parent sends. It's solo piano and although it is not my type of music, I do play it every so often to change pace. I definitely recommend picking up a copy.

Thanks, Michael!

Nothing better than trade (4, Interesting)

drumcat (1659893) | more than 4 years ago | (#31404970)

Folks, nothing could be better than trading with your enemies. It has worked for millennia, and will continue to do so. Trade Iran's government into a needy, third-world leech. It's better than a war. Their people are magnificent, intelligent, and just like us in many cases. Hell, they even get all ideological, like Joel O'Steen and such. Let's trade some curry and hookahs for blue jeans, and call off the war, k?

Re:Nothing better than trade (2, Insightful)

vlm (69642) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405296)

Let's trade some curry and hookahs for blue jeans, and call off the war, k?

Hmm.... Our military industrial complex vs our dead textile industry. I wonder which will set policy.

Re:Nothing better than trade (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31405416)

"Trade Iran's government into a needy, third-world leech."

Looking at the direction of the flow of wealth, third-world nations are not the leeches.

Re:Nothing better than trade (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31405494)

Folks, nothing could be better than trading with your enemies.

Enemies? What are you talking about comrade? Aren't we in the US moving towards a global government-run commune filled with happy rainbows where people don't hate or kill each other anymore? Free electronic trade with communist and countries with repressive governments are just the first step in that process. Right?

Re:Nothing better than trade (4, Funny)

corbettw (214229) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405522)

Considering how hot every single Persian chick I've ever met is, I fully support the idea of peaceful, loving relations with Iran, as often as possible.

Re:Nothing better than trade (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31405600)

Umm, those were probably Persian men you met. They care more about their appearance than most American women do, and they wear more perfume and make-up, too...

Re:Nothing better than trade (1)

Clandestine_Blaze (1019274) | more than 4 years ago | (#31407824)

I was going to be very offended, but had to stop and fix my hair before posting. Now I forgot what I was going to be offended over!

Re:Nothing better than trade (1)

BZ (40346) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405686)

> It has worked for millennia, and will continue to do so.

Worked in what sense? Preventing wars? Didn't really work that well for WWI or any of a whole bunch of other wars....

Re:Nothing better than trade (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405696)

Meh, this way we get all their Engineers.

Re:Nothing better than trade (1)

BJ_Covert_Action (1499847) | more than 4 years ago | (#31406466)

Let's trade some curry and hookahs for blue jeans

If I am giving up my Levi's I want some exotic Persian women in return. They can keep their damned hookahs. =P

Re:Nothing better than trade (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#31407156)

So... you say the US should copy China?

Would only be fair, if you ask me. They copied everything else from us.

Re:Nothing better than trade (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31408386)

Folks, nothing could be better than trading with your enemies. It has worked for millennia, and will continue to do so. Trade Iran's government into a needy, third-world leech. It's better than a war

We are still doing that with the Germans and the French here in Europe. The free trade thing, it seems to be working, as we don't kill each other in millions. The only people who became leeches are the ones who have no possibility of enjoying the benefits of the free trade zone, however.

When will they learn? (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#31404974)

When will the government learn that about the only way people continue to be oppressed through governments is poverty, lack of information, and brainwashing. By allowing citizens of countries with oppressive governments to be opened to art, music, literature, communication and visitors from the "free" world, it will inspire citizens to rebel. Selfishness is a virtue, it helps keep a sane government if there is at least some communication with the outside world. If we would flood Cuba with American tourists, artists, musicians, and brought them computers, cell phones, etc. chances are the dictatorship would fall (mostly because Cuba is well within travel distance from the US, and while some other "free" countries allow travel/etc to Cuba like Canada, they lack the -very- close distance).

Re:When will they learn? (2, Insightful)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405220)

I don't see people from US to rebel to government because oppresive laws like i.e. sharing things on internet (in all variants, from pictures of your niece to a nice sound file you found around), no privacy, and other things that should be for granted in a "free" country. And they had internet since the start. Don't see China citizens rebelling neither, in fact, there are very vocal supporters of their government.

And different way of living don't mean worse for them. Your values could be different to their ones. And if you think that your "democracy" is in anything related to do what free will of voters want, think again... being able to vote only to one bad candidate is not significantly better than being able to choose between 2 bad candidates (and the same corporations writting the laws behind both of them), and the media is too controlled to have in the big numbers anything related with free will in the population.

Re:When will they learn? (3, Insightful)

TheSync (5291) | more than 4 years ago | (#31407172)

Don't see China citizens rebelling neither, in fact, there are very vocal supporters of their government.

What was that whole Tiananmen Square thing then?

Or China warns again against Hong Kong democracy push [google.com] ?

And why does China have to jail democracy activists [bbc.co.uk] ?

The truth is that China is 1.3 billion people with 1.3 billion different political beliefs. A good number of them are pushing for democracy. As to how many, we can't know in a non-democracy that jails people who are "subversive" to the autocracy.

It is easy to be supportive of your government when your whole future life depends on you saying that you support it.

Re:When will they learn? (1)

mjwx (966435) | more than 4 years ago | (#31410524)

It is easy to be supportive of your government when your whole future life depends on you saying that you support it.

The secret to China's success is that they give their people just enough freedom to make them apathetic or at worse afraid of losing what they have.

The average Chinese person has food in their bellies, a roof over their head, the lights stay on and they can get booze, see a movie or other diversions. The bread and circuses type arrangement. Their lives aren't controlled 100% , Chinese people don't disappear for no reason like the old Soviet Union (if China's government executes a civilian, they will do it out in the open and charge the family for the bullet). People have enough control that they just don't care about the governments actions, so long as the government doesn't have dreams of conquest the population remains somnambulant enough to simply not care (unless youre Tibetan, but Tibet simply means "doormat" or "rifle range" depending on whether you speak Mandarin or Cantonese).

The sad part is, western governments seem to be taking the same path, drum up nationalism and keep the populous apathetic enough that you don't care what abuses they are commuting.

Re:When will they learn? (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#31408806)

I don't see people from US to rebel to government because oppresive laws like i.e. sharing things on internet (in all variants, from pictures of your niece to a nice sound file you found around),

Um, they -are- rebelling, they simply are doing it without caring about what the government is doing. A lot of people who share files A) Can't vote B) Realize that voting for a sane third-party won't cause change until we get sane representation or C) Simply don't care because the odds of being caught are so low.

no privacy,

Again, no party has made a stance against the erosion of privacy (look at the support the PATRIOT act got from both main parties). And yes, there are enough people worried about privacy but they, again, see that no matter what party they vote for, be it republicans or democrats it won't matter when it comes to privacy, copyright, etc. Until we get proportional representation, there is basically no hope for any copyright-reform or privacy minded individuals to get elected.

Don't see China citizens rebelling neither, in fact, there are very vocal supporters of their government.

There are two main reasons for this

A) Most Chinese live in poverty
B) Those who don't live in poverty still see those in poverty and don't want to end up like them and they know that any revolution may lead them to poverty

Mix this in with the fact it is a -large- country, the fact there has been many pro-democracy movements in China's past and presence, plus state media (they get one side of the story only) and you get a country who sees no need to change if they are rich enough to start a revolution if they aren't brainwashed and those poor simply care about getting their next meal.

what is democracy? (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#31411862)

its simply consulting the will of the people. what's western about that? furthermore, what culture exists where people prefer to be slaves and never be consulted about what they want from their government?

the idea that cultural differences leads to democracy not working in a particular society is extremely insulting to whatever culture you claim to speak for. you are basically saying the people in that society prefer to be slaves

being able to vote only to one bad candidate is not significantly better than being able to choose between 2 bad candidates (and the same corporations writting the laws behind both of them), and the media is too controlled to have in the big numbers anything related with free will in the population

yes, because in democracies, the media is strictly controlled, while in nondemocracies, it is completely free. furthermore, all candidates in democracies are chosen by the secret conspiracy of corporations and media execs. if you believe either of those these things, and that ONE candidate and COMPLETE CONTROL of the media (in nondemocracies) is therefore superior, or even remotely equivalent to democratic expression, you're a moron: you've replaced your intelligence with the most braindead and patently false form of cynicism. you even admit to it, you say "one bad candidate is not significantly better than being able to choose between 2 bad candidates". yeah, there's plenty wrong with corporate influence and media herd behavior in democracies. but as YOU say, it is still BETTER. "not significantly". LOL

so you'll choose the government where some asshole doesn't care what the hell you think to rule over you... because that's your culture. you're so full of shit

Huh. (1)

Leraika (1749124) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405068)

I wonder if this is a result over the attention the issue got when SourceForge had to temporarily disable access to those countries earlier this year?

Re:Huh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31408126)

You mean SpinelessForge? Heheheh!

I dropped my SourceForge account when they blocked Cuba. Hey, I have friends there! When SourceForge came to their senses, I asked to have my account reactivated. SourceForge won't do that (they actually said they could but they chose not to). Now yet another open-source project languishes and will die a slow death. Oh well.

took you long enough fools ... (3, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405104)

had you realized to do that sooner, like maybe 10 years ago, a lot might have changed in those countries by now.

Re:took you long enough fools ... (1)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405912)

had you realized to do that sooner, like maybe 10 years ago, a lot might have changed in those countries by now.

Unlikely. It's not like there is a lack of Open Source software of this sort freely available from non-USA sources.

Export? Import? (1)

Ark42 (522144) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405148)

I've always figured that the nature of making software available for download on a website based in the US means that if somebody from Cuba downloads it, they are essentially coming to the US and getting the software, then importing it back to Cuba themselves. It may be a subtle difference with software, but with physical objects, the difference between export and import is pretty obvious. Yes, you can always look it as one person is exporting and the other is importing in any given transaction and pretend there is no difference, but take an example of selling a weapon to somebody. If I sell a weapon to somebody in the US and that is a legal transaction, but that person then takes the weapon back to a country that it is illegal to do so under US law, then that person is guilty of trying to import the weapon to a restricted country. Assume I had no knowledge they were going to do as such after the sale of course. If a person in Cuba orders a weapon from me and I ship it to them, I would be guilty of breaking an export law then, as I was the one pushing the weapon to them. So I guess what I'm saying is that the nature of the internet and software downloads equates pretty much all downloads from webservers to the case of a person coming to the US, buying the software, then taking it back with them to Cuba. It never in the past equated to me shipping software to Cuba, so I don't think it was ever illegal (for me) in the past for Cubans to download my software.

Re:Export? Import? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31407732)

You could go further and blame it on the operating system running the webserver for allowing access from embargoed countries -- forget applications, the server is is exporting bits.... without your knowledge!

what about windows millenium (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31405180)

The US should also allow the export of Windows ME (and perhaps even VISTA) to these 'trade-embargoed' countries.
In fact they should be distributed on discs just like AOL used to.

gonna liberate the crap out of 'em! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31406664)

You sir, are worse than Hitler!

One word: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31405272)

All thanks to the government spies at

Google [google.com] .

Yours In Perm,
Kilgore T.

Well that settles it (3, Funny)

s122604 (1018036) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405284)

The terrorists have won. Way to send us down the path of dhimmitude O'bama!

Re:Well that settles it (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 4 years ago | (#31407360)

I have to say, I've never seen a mock spelling of Obama that was so awesome as to suggest that he's secretly Irish.

What about encryption? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31405338)

This is nice, guys, but when are we going to get rid of the brain-dead(*) restrictions on encryption software, already? As governments and ISPs all over the world have been demonstrating over the past few years, increasing computer power means it is steadily becoming easier to spy on and censor Internet users. To enable truly free communication in the face of a repressive government requires people to defend themselves, through anonymity software such as Tor, Freenet, and I2P, not to mention strong web and email encryption. If the US wants to encourage freedom of speech, it should be promoting the distribution of these technologies, not outlawing their export.

Well, we can hope. This seems to be a small step in the right direction.

(*) Yes, brain-dead; you'd have to be an idiot to think these restrictions do anything to keep encryption software out of terrorists' hands. All they accomplish is to make it more difficult for ordinary citizens of, say, Iran, to protect themselves from their government.

Re:What about encryption? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31406022)

If other nations want to fuck their people in the ass, so be it. If they want our crypto, they should pay a premium for it. (Gold, oil, etc)
Maybe if we were exporting more than we are importing we wouldn't be in a recession.

Other countries consist of proud for their nation people, why not us?

Just use a loophole (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 4 years ago | (#31409946)

That brain-dead restriction was not a problem for RSA and others, they just opened an office in the Cayman Islands and it became encryption imports instead of exports. Something like that had to be done or you could forget about secure international bank transactions.
The restrictions are stupid anyway. We all have to pay a bit more for SuperMicro motherboards because they got find when someone sold servers with their boards to Iran and meanwhile Honeywell are building an oil refinery there which messes up some silly game that is trying to restrict Iran's access to fuel. That sort of resource restricting diplomatic game didn't work a thousand years ago and it isn't going to work now, it just makes enemies among your own citizens that want to make an honest living.

Dont forget Free Speech Zones (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31405532)

... so useful allowing people to express their Free Speech under GWB.

So I can give stuff to Cuba... (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 4 years ago | (#31405892)

... But I still can't go there. Well, at least not from the US. But I might happen to know someone from the US who drove to Canada and then flew to Cuba from Canada (flying over the US to get there of course). Clearly, this is what freedom is all about, right? We have freedom to not travel freely!

New markets for Microsoft... (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 4 years ago | (#31406042)

It's about time that Iran, Sudan and Cuba learned the joys of Internet Explorer 6.

In Soviet Russia (1)

spaceyhackerlady (462530) | more than 4 years ago | (#31406960)

In Soviet Russia applications export you!

Are Wiki's "exports"? (1)

sheetsda (230887) | more than 4 years ago | (#31407762)

Back around '04 I wrote some programming tutorials for a Wiki (gpwiki.org). These included example source files. About once a year I get an email from someone in Iran seeking clarifications or help. Am(Was?) I (or the Wiki) running afoul of US export laws?

Trade with Iran (1)

OrwellianLurker (1739950) | more than 4 years ago | (#31407980)

Trading anything that can be helpful in making IEDs and WMDs to our enemies (the government of Iran for example) is foolish. Admittedly, they can get parts with other methods-- but that doesn't mean we can't make things more difficult for them or slow them down. Having a software embargo, on the other hand, is fucking ridiculous. What will that accomplish? Absolutely nothing. Politicians needs to study this series of intricate tubes before writings laws regulating them.

Google Code, SourceForge, Oracle/Sun/MySQL, IBM... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31416430)

Will Google Code, SourceForge, Oracle/Sun/MySQL, IBM and many other allow direct access to their content and downloads now?

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