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LHC Will Be Shut Down In 2011 Because of "Mistake"

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it dept.

Bug 183

astroengine follows up to a story about the LHC shutting down that seems to have hit all the news replicators today. "It's to be expected when pushing the frontiers of physics, but the LHC's epic 'will it or won't it' saga continues. Due to an unforeseen construction mistake, the LHC will cease experiments for a year (starting around late-2011) so repairs and upgrades can be carried out. For now, accelerated particles will have a maximum energy of 7TeV (half the power of the LHC's design maximum), which is ample for at least 18 months of experiments before shutdown."

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You know things are bad when ... (5, Informative)

dtmos (447842) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427072)

... the article linked in the story starts off by debunking the submission.

UPDATE (March 10, 12:45am PST): With thanks to Prof. Jon Butterworth, member of the ATLAS collaboration at the LHC, I've been informed that the plan to shut down the LHC for an extended period of time was actually announced in early February by Dr. Steve Myers [twitter.com] after the LHC Performance Workshop, in Chamonix, France. So rather than this being a sudden development, it is part of a planned shutdown.

Prof. Brian Cox, also an ATLAS physicist, confirmed this fact via Twitter [twitter.com]:

There is nothing wrong with LHC - lazy journalism. Schedule announced in Jan, 18 months physics, 12 month engineering shutdown afterwards.

Cox pointed out that accelerator shutdowns are more routine [twitter.com] than the BBC article (the source of this blog post) suggests:

ALL particle accelerators have 6 - 12 month regular shutdowns for maintenance and upgrades. That's how complex machines are operated!

Re:You know things are bad when ... (3, Funny)

TheMiddleRoad (1153113) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427122)

Yeah, but thanks to you, we won't get as many rants about how f-ed up the LHC is.

Re:You know things are bad when ... (4, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427210)

Like facts would stop anyone from spouting off.

Re:You know things are bad when ... (1)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427832)

Like facts would stop anyone from spouting off.

The hippies are conspiring AGW to get rich!

Re:You know things are bad when ... (0, Troll)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 4 years ago | (#31428792)

No, they are conspiring to get hippie-rich, which just means they want to make everyone poor. Get your conspiracy facts right.

Re:You know things are bad when ... (1)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 4 years ago | (#31428338)

Yeah, an Earth collapsed to a black hole of 2 cm radius should stop spouting off!

Re:You know things are bad when ... (1)

tomp1000 (1364927) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427228)

well you shouldve got it out of your system when it actually broke. just because some lazy journalist didnt research properlly and most people are stupid enough to believe it. rant about something worthwile why dont you?

Re:You know things are bad when ... (0)

davester666 (731373) | more than 4 years ago | (#31428342)

But all the other colliders weren't powerful enough to create a black hole that could suck the Earth into it...

Re:You know things are bad when ... (5, Funny)

RadioElectric (1060098) | more than 4 years ago | (#31428150)

Obviously the effect which is stopping the LHC from operating works by propagating a "ripple" back in time. Hence, the article summary WAS accurate at the time of submission, but then the ripple reached January and made the shutdown part of the original plan. It all makes sense!

Re:You know things are bad when ... (1)

sootman (158191) | more than 4 years ago | (#31429110)

Occam's razor time: LHC caused a ripple in spacetime, or Slashdot editors screwed up. Hmm...

Really, it's hedging 2012 bets (5, Funny)

drumcat (1659893) | more than 4 years ago | (#31428168)

I see right through this. They don't want LHC running when the Mayan calendar ends...

Re:You know things are bad when ... (1)

alexborges (313924) | more than 4 years ago | (#31428194)

The higgs bosson has learned to play our media.

It sure is smarter than some presidents.

Re:You know things are bad when ... (1)

chord.wav (599850) | more than 4 years ago | (#31428622)

Someone it's playing with Time. That copy of text just wasn't there when the editors saw the article.

Go Fermi!!! (1)

BobZee1 (1065450) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427102)

This is good news to me because I like job security and the longer Fermi is rocking, the longer I am rocking.

Re:Go Fermi!!! (1)

Mysticalfruit (533341) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427324)

I'm suspecting that even when the LHC is running at full power, the Femri will continue on. If you've got a perfectly good working particle accelerator, it makes sense to do your lower powered experiments at Fermi and the high powered ones at the LHC.

Who knows, these are governmental bureaucracies we're dealing with...

Re:Go Fermi!!! (2, Funny)

alexborges (313924) | more than 4 years ago | (#31428222)

Dont worry. The Fermi works very well and will continue to work

However, I cant see why would you deem "secure" a work envirnoment that subjects you to gigantic and powerful electromagnetic fields plus you are confined quite in the same location as some really interesting radioactive material.

For a physic, barring actual spacewalking, its about as hardcore as it gets.

Re:Go Fermi!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31428658)

It's called getting a paycheck...you know...JOB security.

Hmmm... (5, Funny)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427148)

That Higgs Boson is finding more and more creative ways... Seems this time it went so far back as to flaw the LHC's design.

How long do we have before it goes further back and destroys humanity?

Re:Hmmm... (5, Funny)

istartedi (132515) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427526)

How long do we have before it goes further back and destroys humanity?

At least until yesterday.

Re:Hmmm... (2, Funny)

sorak (246725) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427824)

That Higgs Boson is finding more and more creative ways... Seems this time it went so far back as to flaw the LHC's design.

How long do we have before it goes further back and destroys humanity?

If some time-traveling something doesn't want to be found, why not just send back a dead nuke with a note attached that reads

Dear asshole:

        Leave us alone.

Your truly,
The Future

Re:Hmmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31428158)

Dear asshole:

Leave us alone.

Your truly,
The Eschaton

FTFY

Re:Hmmm... (1)

precariousgray (1663153) | more than 4 years ago | (#31428568)

How long do we have before it goes further back and destroys humanity?

Too long.

[There is a smirk, after which the petting of the white cat begins.]

Re:Hmmm... (1)

c++0xFF (1758032) | more than 4 years ago | (#31429146)

Oh, so it's an anomaly in the space-time continuum, getting larger as it goes backwards in time, eventually preventing the existence of life on Earth? Once again, life imitates Star Trek...

How is this news? (4, Informative)

bucky0 (229117) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427152)

The plan for a while now was always to have a period of running at lower power/luminosity then a long shutdown to completely fix the error that caused the incident in 2008. Last december the plan was for a 5 month run this year and a year long shutdown, and they changed that in early february to a 18-24 month run and year long shutdown.

2012? (4, Funny)

jimpop (27817) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427156)

I, for one, think they are just scared of being blamed for 2012. :-)

Re:2012? (2, Funny)

jolyonr (560227) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427178)

However, if it's shutting down in late 2011 for 12 months, guess what it will back in operation just in time for!

Jolyon

Re:2012? (1)

bn-7bc (909819) | more than 4 years ago | (#31428106)

The world wide roll out of ipv6 (if currant predictions of ipv4 address exhaustion are correct) Or is there someting else?

Re:2012? (2, Funny)

0racle (667029) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427212)

Then they're doing it wrong. They're going to shutdown late 2011 for about a year. That means they should be up and running again around ...
...
...
December 2012


Be afraid. Gordon, you're needed in the experiment room.

Re:2012? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31427342)

Prepare for unforeseen consequences.

Apparently, This is Not Unusual At All (3, Insightful)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427182)

...at least according to the article at the end of the supplied link. Quoting a Prof. Brian Cox, "ALL particle accelerators have 6 - 12 month regular shutdowns for maintenance and upgrades. That's how complex machines are operated!"

Now, I know slashdot readers don't read the articles, and I've become accustomed to the editors not reading the articles, but this situation implies that even the submitter of the article didn't read the article.

How is that even possible?

Sounds like one of those recursive quantum anomalies the LHC is designed to unravel...

Re:Apparently, This is Not Unusual At All (4, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427244)

Like this:
Someone sees headline
They assume they know what is in the article, and in a panic frenzy to get slashdot cock waving rights, they just submit the story...probably by justs clicking on a button on the webpage.

Re:Apparently, This is Not Unusual At All (4, Insightful)

ianare (1132971) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427480)

Here's how many of my article submissions have gone :

Reading the article, reading any associated articles and getting a good grasp of the event and technologies involved. Then carefully summarizing the article, linking to the main article and associated article, and providing reference links to Wikipedia. Finally creating an insightful, not overhyped, and clear headline.

After submitting the story, refresh /. and seeing an abortion of a summary on the same story because the /. editors just picked the first one with an exciting headline.

Learned your lesson? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31427696)

After submitting the story, refresh /. and seeing an abortion of a summary on the same story because the /. editors just picked the first one with an exciting headline.

That's media for you. Keep it exciting and facts be damned!

Re:Apparently, This is Not Unusual At All (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427338)

Sounds like one of those recursive quantum anomalies the LHC is designed to unravel...

Actually, we've taken George Lucas' idea of a Death Star and built a giant Laser producing facility on the crust of our planet. Some minor set backs, of course, but we will have the power to destroy an entire planet soon enough. This whole "Quantum Physics" thing was just to get all the physicists on board, since most of them actually favour Star Trek.

doom (2, Funny)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427196)

What this really means is that after scheduled maintenance of 2011 (which now includes bolstering against quench damage), the LHC will be slowly brought to full power in 2012. Reaching full power at the end of 2012. December 2012. Need I say more?

Re:doom (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#31428056)

As silly as that sounds, that was exactly my first thought when reading the article as well.

Re:doom (1)

Coren22 (1625475) | more than 4 years ago | (#31428542)

Would this be kind of like NASA with Apollo 13? Screw superstition, we will do everything we can to make it the worst possible time to teach the idiots to not be superstitious. Does Friday the 13th fall in Dec 2012?

Not News. (5, Insightful)

pz (113803) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427206)

As the linked article points out, this so-called news is just lazy journalism of a long-ago announced planned shutdown for routine maintenance and upgrading.

This should never have made it to the front page here. Is it too much to ask that the editors at Slashdot at least GLANCE at the linked articles?

Re:Not News. (1)

danny_lehman (1691870) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427470)

in all honesty, i cant remember the last time i read a linked article. i rely on /. to do that.. eventually someone will post the gist of it

Re:Not News. (2, Insightful)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 4 years ago | (#31428200)

Is it too much to ask that the editors at Slashdot at least GLANCE at the linked articles?

If Congresscritters can't be expected to read bills before they vote on them why would you expect editors at Slashdot to view articles before they make the front page?

Re:Not News. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31428674)

Planned a while ago, yes, but routine? No. This is a scheduled shutdown to fix a design error. Design errors shouldn't be considered routine.

nonstory: its obviously nothing but (4, Informative)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427266)

the usual saboteurs from the future, trying to preserving their pathetic little doomed timeline

Agile Construction (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31427288)

Now we need someone to pipe up that if they used Agile Methodology when building the LHC, none of the design issues would have happened.

No... (5, Funny)

Petersko (564140) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427422)

"Now we need someone to pipe up that if they used Agile Methodology when building the LHC, none of the design issues would have happened."

If they'd have used the Agile Methodology it'd be working, but the particles would travel at 60 miles per hour, and the collisions would be recorded by a police sketch artist. Improvements would be scheduled for a future sprint.

Re:Agile Construction (5, Funny)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427438)

Given the way Agile is usually implemented, it would have then made a detour under London before making it back to Switzerland. Kind of like the famous cartoon [wordpress.com]... especially the documentation part. Nice legs...

It would have been news if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31427310)

it were a foreseen construction mistake.

so sick of this (2, Interesting)

tomp1000 (1364927) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427316)

quite frankly i'm so sick of people critisising the LHC, especially the people at fermilab. firstly most people don;t know a damn thing about particle physics (this includes me but I have a relative expert on hand to answer my queries) unless you have some knowledge of beyond degree level particle physics or know someone who does quite well. KEEP YOUR OPINION TO YOURSELF.
for those people (probablly americans) stop critising the LHC becuase its bigger than the accelerator at fermilab. thats like kids arguing over who has a better skateboard. NOT IMPORTANT

Re:so sick of this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31427648)

Wow you're an idiot. Am I also not allowed to criticize Iraq war because I don't have a degree in military history, or the Federal budget because I don't have a degree in economics?

The headline says there was a construction "mistake". Not a design mistake, but a construction mistake; it seems perfectly reasonable to criticize that.

Re:so sick of this (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31427736)

blahblahblah ...quite frankly i'm so sick of people critisising the LHC ... KEEP YOUR OPINION TO YOURSELF. for those people (probablly americans) stop critising the LHC ... more blahblahblah

Shut up, asshole.

Oh, LHC sucks.

Re:so sick of this (0, Troll)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 4 years ago | (#31428894)

If you are American, then I guess your assumption that Americans fly off the handle for no reason is a pretty good one, considering. If you're not, take a look in the mirror.

Either way, thanks for the laugh. Sputtering rage is probably the second funniest thing in the world, next to dudes getting punched in the beanbag.

Re:so sick of this (3, Interesting)

earlymon (1116185) | more than 4 years ago | (#31429174)

for those people (probablly americans) stop critising the LHC becuase its bigger than the accelerator at fermilab. thats like kids arguing over who has a better skateboard.

Yes, it's exactly like that.

You seem to not understand that our TVs, sound systems, sports cars and particle accelerators are simply the adult extensions of our skateboards.

KEEP YOUR OPINION TO YOURSELF.

Why? It's called freedom of speech - perhaps you've heard of it.

You certainly seem to think that you have it, by virtue of the protocols you've issued.

News flash - since the beginning of time people have freely expressed opinion without regard for fact - and this is never more true than when the speaker is convinced that they are expressing facts. Now, I wasn't around at the beginning of time, so far as I recall, but it's my opinion that that behavior has been occurring for at least that long and is therefore neither limited to Americans nor to Fermilab fans.

My other opinion is that you're probably upset that Fermilab isn't in Europe and that you're simply jealous that you're missing out on all the fun.

But you are providing plenty - for me anyway. This snippet is simply priceless:

quite frankly i'm so sick of people critisising the LHC, especially the people at fermilab. firstly most people don;t know a damn thing about particle physics...

Uh - ok - would those be the people at Fermilab that don't know a damn thing?

BTW - my skateboard has something like 300 BHP, a gazillion ft-lbs of torque, and gets 21 miles per gallon when cruising at just over 100 miles per hour, when cruising that way for about 2 to 2.5 hours at a stretch. And as soon as I translate a gazillion ft-lbs into SI, I'll get back to you on what that means - or - I'll just wait for an opinion from Illinois on that.

Meanwhile, in my opinion, this sounds pretty cool:

http://www.fnal.gov/pub/today/archive_2010/today10-03-10Column_readmore.html [fnal.gov]

And almost finally, in my opinion, I deserve extra crunchy mod points just for avoiding the whole bigger vs. keeping it up line of jokes in response to your post (which given that there is NO NEWS in TFA, makes your complaint even funnier).

NOT IMPORTANT

That's the worst sig ever. In my opinion, you should have a higher opinion of yourself, even if that current sig summarizes the opinions in your post perfectly.

I think you should cheer up now and have a fabulous day, but that's just another one of my opinions.

LHC is the new Tower of Babel (4, Insightful)

buruonbrails (1247370) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427330)

It's one of the world's most ambitious projects. Not surprisingly, its construction and operation can be problematic from time to time.

Re:LHC is the new Tower of Babel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31427432)

Comparing it to the Tower of Babel is a bit much. Honestly, are we expecting to be smitten by a higher-being during the construction? Otherwise, I agree it is very complex and it will take time. How long did getting to the moon take? In any case, I don't really think the comparison between the LHC and the Tower of Babel is very apt for discussion. However, if you think that it will fail horrifically and be an everlasting tale of human hubris, then that's all well and good. I'd then simply say, I disagree.

Posting AC due to the fact that I don't have time to write a complete response.

LHC Forever (2, Funny)

flagg9483 (940242) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427336)

I hear that a level in the next Duke Nukem will take place in LHC facility. A PS3/360 trophy/achievement will be rewarded for finding the secret door to the main ring, repairing damage caused by mutated aliens, and escaping through a black hole created by incompetent CERN scientists.

Re:LHC Forever (1)

Coren22 (1625475) | more than 4 years ago | (#31428680)

Personally, I expect it to show up in the next Half-Life episode, after all, Gordon was spotted there.

You mean the time paradoxes.... (1)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427388)

prevented this thing from blowing up the universe again? Man, this is worse than last night's "Lost" episode.

Some phrases you do not want to hear at same time (1)

Bearhouse (1034238) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427420)

""The standard phrase is that the LHC is its own prototype," Dr. Steve Myers, director of the particle smasher, told the BBC today.

"Due to an unforeseen construction mistake"...

Wind it up to 11, guys! What could possibly go wrong?

Re:Some phrases you do not want to hear at same ti (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31427998)

unforseen consequences

The mayans were right! (3, Interesting)

WiglyWorm (1139035) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427452)

It will be late 2012 before the LHC gets to full power? Hmmmmmmmm.... Awfully forboding to me.

Re:The mayans were right! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31428002)

There is no such Mayan prophecy: 2012 only coincides with the beginning of a new 144,000 year period (a b'ak'tun). Just like westerners have periods of a thousand years (millennium) or a hundred years (century), the Mayans have periods of 144,000 years. The Mayan calendar refers to events well after the beginning of the new b'ak'tun so this whole doomsday prophecy is basically on the same level of New Age bs as y2k.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_calendar

Re:The mayans were right! (1)

the_hellspawn (908071) | more than 4 years ago | (#31428330)

I am still taking a vacation to Bora Bora for December 21, 2012. Even if a hoax, I will be on the beach drinkin beer on a paradise island in the Pacific. What other reason does someone need to celebrate. If the prophecy is correct, I will die in paradise with a beer in hand. Can't beat that!

Re:The mayans were right! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31428932)

QUICK, everybody out of the Universe!

*FLWOOP*

Misleading words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31427476)

It may be due to semantics, but the headline is still inappropriate. I interpreted "shut down" as "dismantling," as if it were used in "shut down the NASA space program." The summary clarifies the issue without sadisticly making you RTFA for it, but the heart attack has already happened.

Well, news sources normally do this. It's just important to remember to never take anything as real unless you've read it AND cross referenced it thoroughly. Coming to slashdot does not count as a control-making space: cross-references usually mean talking with people who have the same belief, unless you're browsing at low thresholds or some dissenter post is modded insightful by luck.

Re:Misleading words (1)

_Shad0w_ (127912) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427872)

When I worked in automation, "shutdown" was the standard terminology used to describe a period when production was run down; it's usually when I was working - it's the only time you can get in to make major changes that would be otherwise disruptive or impossible. You usually got one shutdown period in summer and another over the Christmas period.

If you wanted to say something was being dismantled, you'd probably say "decommissioned", since that's the opposite of what we did when we put things in (i.e. commissioned).

Re:Misleading words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31428334)

shutdown -r +777600

The timestream protects itself (1)

hoggoth (414195) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427562)

Once again, the timestream moves to protect itself. If they continue attempting to create Higgs-Boson particles at the LHC, we will find ourselves inhabiting an increasingly unlikely reality. Construction accidents, birds dropping baguettes into the particle beam, anything can happen to prevent this.

Mark my word, something improbable will happen to the LHC near the end of this repair work.

We should harness this power to direct the future time stream and create a drive that uses these disturbed probabilities. We can call it the 'improbability drive'.

Re:The timestream protects itself (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427882)

Should be easy enough, just build a universe destroying device that sets itself off unless what you want to happen happens. The hard part is making the probability of the device failing be less than the probability of whatever you want to happen randomly happening. Unfortunatly, considering that you teleporting to Mars is unlikely to happen over the course of several million universe lifetimes, that would have to be a pretty foolproof device.

Re:The timestream protects itself (1)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | more than 4 years ago | (#31428202)

Does this mean we're gradually increasing improbability in the universe? This would *so* explain Microsoft Windows.

18 months of Experiments at 7TeV!!! (1)

Lord Lode (1290856) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427614)

That means 18 months of experiments at the highest particle accelerator power ever! Isn't that exciting?

Who is most likely to find the Higgs boson then? The LHC, or the Tevatron?

Energy (1)

superzerg (1523387) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427628)

For now, accelerated particles will have a maximum energy of 7TeV (half the power of the LHC's design maximum)

The design energy for LHC particles is 7TeV, which means 17TeV energy in center of mass during collision. The planned particles energy is 3.5TeV until 2011 which make 7TeV in center of mass.

I Blame Time Travelers. (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427650)

Apparently by making the LHC work we will cause some disaster so time travelers from an alternate future make sure it stays broken so the disaster will not happen. That or God just doesn't want to be found.

We are saved once more (1)

MrTripps (1306469) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427712)

The invasion by giant ants from another dimension opened by a gateway created by a particle accelerator is prevented once again. Such is the plot of Einstein's Bridge by John Cramer. Luckily the SSC was never built. West Texas has enough problems with fire ants without the giant alien kind.

The author is full of $%!) in at least one way (1)

Icaarus (1499831) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427740)

From the Author's Website: (follow the link that is the author's name)

Slashdot I guess I should just fess up and take the blame- I created Slashdot a long time ago, and now it seems to have grown into something pretty amazing. Come on down and check it out for news about Linux, Open Source Software, Legos, Games, Star Wars, Science, Technology and pretty much anything else that falls into the "News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters" umbrella.

So we already know this lune does not know how to read, and that he just posts to flame-bait. Could it be that he also is a slanderous, wretched, troll who seeks to dishonour the nerds we covet. I would prefer to think that then to think that the creator of this website is in fact an illiterate fabulist.

If the above quote is false, I say /. should sue the poster. If the above quote is true I say we should all boycott that which has been mutated by its own author beyond recognition.

we were asking for it (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31427810)

As a physicist, all I can say is we've been asking for this kind of press.

When you hype the bejeezus out of the shiny new multi-billion dollar tool, it's reasonable for the people who paid for it to expect results. It is jarring when people hear for over a decade about the great results that will come out of an experiment, and then later hear that we have to spend ~50% of the time doing maintenance on the equipment, and the first few years just testing it. I know this is the way things work, this is the way my (much, much smaller) experiments work. This is not a complaint about the science, or being careful. This is a complaint about politics, funding structures and a lack of ability across fields to communicate effectively with the general public. We can't keep doing this to ourselves if we want the public to trust us. We have to manage the media better.

To begin with, the great achievement of the LHC *is* the LHC, not the search for the Higgs boson. It's enough that this is the most complicated, impressive, advanced piece of technology on the planet, and that it required input at the cutting edge from nearly every major field of physics. Just like the point of going to the moon was to go to the moon, not to bring back moon rocks.

Should have have hired the Prius engineers (5, Funny)

HermDog (24570) | more than 4 years ago | (#31427962)

Now there's a crew who know how to make an unstoppable accelerator!

Oops (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31428108)

Is a four letter word around the LHC.

They collapsed the false vacuum (1, Redundant)

argent (18001) | more than 4 years ago | (#31428220)

It's pretty obvious that what's happening is that every time they start it up at full power, it collapses the false vacuum and instantly destroys the universe. So the only versions of the state vector we can observe are the ones in which the LHC never ramps up all the way, because we've been destroyed in the rest of them...

USA #1! (Seems More and More Rare) (0, Troll)

DrBuzzo (913503) | more than 4 years ago | (#31428518)

And the United States of America once again has the world's most powerful particle accelerator and collider located at Fermilab... for now.

Look, with the current administration, the cuts to the science budget, the cancelation of deep space exploration and the dismantling of the American enterprise, it's getting rarer and rarer that there's ANYTHING worth mentioning in the US. At least we can have one thing that's nice for a little bit.

LHC Construction (2, Interesting)

Dripdry (1062282) | more than 4 years ago | (#31428700)

I'm sorry, I don't have references, but someone was explaining to me that the parts and construction for the LHC are excessively shoddy. He mentioned the size of the magnets and, I believe, mentioned that they weren't really tested before being put in place. His beef was that the whole thing is basically just a huge money sinkhole and may not ever produce the kinds of results it promises.

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