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The Lost Film That Accompanied Empire Strikes Back

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the first-reel dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "'Alien' and 'Star Wars' art director Roger Christian was given £25,000 by George Lucas in 1979 to make a 25-minute medieval B-feature called 'Black Angel.' This spiritual tale of a knight on a strange quest was inspired by Christian's near-fatal fever when he fell ill in Mexico making 'Lucky Lady.' 'Black Angel' made a huge impression, not least because it shared the dark tone of 'Empire Strikes Back.' John Boorman showed it to the crew of 'Excalibur' as a template for how he wanted his film to look, and 'Black Angel' went on to influence films such as 'Dragonslayer' and 'Legend' throughout the 1980s and beyond. But it has not been seen by anyone since 'Empire' finished its theatrical run. Two weeks ago Roger Christian unearthed a print of a film that was thought lost forever, and in this interview he talks about 'Black Angel,' and provides the only picture from the film that has ever hit the Internet."

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Star Wars (-1, Troll)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#31430858)

What's the interest in Star Wars movies anyway? Star Wars in general mixes mostly Holy Roman Empire time with the arenas, races and idea behind jedi's with future living in space. We don't really live like that, do we? I don't personally understand the geeks fanware behind it either, it's more like soap opera in space. It would be interesting to see a James Bond like movie in space setting, because at least then

Re:Star Wars (4, Insightful)

Misanthrope (49269) | more than 4 years ago | (#31430888)

Did you really skim that fast? This is about a completely different movie that just happens to have been made by the same art director. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed that they put out copies of this it looks really interesting.

Re:Star Wars (2, Insightful)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431002)

I think he's just making a general comment on Star Wars in a thread tangentially related.

And his bridge probably misses its troll.

Re:Star Wars (0, Troll)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431296)

Dude, what are you? Magnetically attracted to trolls? This one didn't even finish his thought at the end of the comment and you still had to treat it like a legitimate comment. Troll food. That's what you are, TROLL FOOD.

Re:Star Wars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31431448)

Dude, what are you? Magnetically attracted to trolls? This one didn't even finish his thought at the end of the comment and you still had to treat it like a legitimate comment. Troll food. That's what you are, TROLL FOOD.

Uhhh, I'd guess that he's a misanthrope.

Re:Star Wars (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31431516)

NOM NOM NOM

Re:Star Wars (5, Insightful)

BJ_Covert_Action (1499847) | more than 4 years ago | (#31430926)

First, this is slashdot, a website for nerds. Posting a question like:

What's the interest in Star Wars movies anyway?

...is likely to get you flogged and/or hung.

Secondly, with regards to:

It would be interesting to see a James Bond like movie in space setting

...please see Moonraker [wikipedia.org] .

Finally, you can turn in your geek card at the door on your way out. Thanks for playing.

Re:Star Wars (3, Insightful)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431234)

"First, this is slashdot, a website for nerds. Posting a question like: "What's the interest in Star Wars movies anyway?" ...is likely to get you flogged and/or hung. "

I hope you're right, but it appears the mods have gone to lunch, because as of right now it's moderated: "(Score:1, Insightful)" :-O

today is a sad day for /. when an anti-star wars post is moderated insightful

Why doesn't he just finish off the rest of us and post how stupid star trek is

Re:Star Wars (1)

codegen (103601) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431356)

...please see Moonraker [wikipedia.org]

This lapse is actually probably understandable since most of us have tried to forget that we ever watched that particular movie. It would be nice to see a more credible Bond movie with a space theme that doesn't devolve to a cheap version of Barbarella.

Re:Star Wars (1)

SeanFlotre (1688358) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431704)

This lapse is actually probably understandable since most of us have tried to forget that we ever watched that particular movie. It would be nice to see a more credible Bond movie with a space theme that doesn't devolve to a cheap version of Barbarella.

Hey!..Moonraker was expensive.

Re:Star Wars (1)

CowboyRobot (671517) | more than 4 years ago | (#31432144)

...is likely to get you flogged and/or hung.

You will surely get hanged. Alas, none of us here are, or ever will be, hung.

Re:Star Wars (1)

DIplomatic (1759914) | more than 4 years ago | (#31430958)

It would be interesting to see a James Bond like movie in space setting

My guess is you're pretty young because the 11th James Bond film was Moonraker [wikipedia.org] , which sent Bond into space.

Re:Star Wars (2)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#31430962)

We don't really live like that, do we?

Welcome to the genre known as SciFi/Fantasy ... where you can escape from your gravity bound simple life and dream ...

Take your coat off and stay awhile, it's amazingly liberating when your imagination puts you in a rebel starfighter going up against insane odds trying to take down the big bad evil empire with the ability to wield a sabre of light while controlling the very concepts of physics ... or at least it did for me when I was a youth.

Re:Star Wars (1)

Sanat (702) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431142)

And some of us never grow up and thus we still enjoy such things and remain eternally youthful... and I guess eternally hopeful as well.

I always suspected you eldavojohn too were likewise eternally young from your many posts.

Re:Star Wars (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431014)

What's the interest in Star Wars movies anyway? Star Wars in general mixes mostly Holy Roman Empire time with the arenas, races and idea behind jedi's with future living in space. We don't really live like that, do we? I don't personally understand the geeks fanware behind it either, it's more like soap opera in space. It would be interesting to see a James Bond like movie in space setting, because at least then

At this point? Nostalgia, mostly. Keep in mind that when it came out, there was literally nothing else like it.

As for myself, I was born in '84, but the Star Wars trilogy was still the first time I ever saw a movie like that (5 years old...young enough to appreciate it, old enough to remember it). Going back and watching it now, for myself, it's mostly nostalgia...they're really campy, and the special effects aren't aging well at this point (although watching the THX version (NOT the version with the CGI) helps alleviate some of the aging issues.)

Re:Star Wars (4, Insightful)

Daniel_Staal (609844) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431218)

At this point? Nostalgia, mostly. Keep in mind that when it came out, there was literally nothing else like it.

In many ways, there's still nothing else like it. It is a whole universe, created from scratch. Not just an extrapolation of our own, and not just the pieces you need to see for the story. Humans are common, but not special in any particular way. They mix with aliens and robots completely, and deal with each other as equals. There are lots of places where a race is shown once, in a background character, and never seen again. Most movies wouldn't bother: It's just extra expense.

There's a feeling of history and depth to the movies (especially the original trilogy), that's nearly unique. You can write thousands of books about what else is happening in the universe, because it is a universe, and not just a setting for the story.

Re:Star Wars (3, Insightful)

vlm (69642) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431292)

In many ways, there's still nothing else like it. It is a whole universe, created from scratch. Not just an extrapolation of our own, and not just the pieces you need to see for the story. Humans are common, but not special in any particular way. .... There are lots of places where a race is shown once, in a background character, and never seen again.

Lord of the Rings did it first, and better. Also, Ringworld, to some extent.

Note, about 95% of the population does not realize the LOTR series was a book for some decades before the recent movies. I've actually heard people refer to the LOTR books as being "novelizations of the movies". Um, no.

Re:Star Wars (1)

Daniel_Staal (609844) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431342)

Oh, lots of books have done it, and many have done it better.

Movies though... There are only a very few others that have even tried.

Re:Star Wars (4, Funny)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431774)

Those fuckin' hobbit movies were boring as hell. All it was, was a bunch of people walking. Three movies of people walking to a fucking volcano.

Re:Star Wars (1)

Smauler (915644) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431780)

_Anyone_ can create a whole universe from scratch. It is easy as hell. Making it interesting and coherent is the main challenge. A universe that is either interesting or coherent is pretty useless. By the standards of its time, Star Wars was astonishingly interesting, and relatively coherent (though the latter has dwindled with subsequent releases). LoTR has brilliant coherency, and is by popular opinion interesting too (though I can't generally see the attraction).

Re:Star Wars (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431472)

I know that they aren't movies (at least, not yet ::shiver::) but the Elder Scrolls series, Mass Effect, and Dragon Age all contain just about everything you have talked about.

Re:Star Wars (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#31432186)

". They mix with aliens and robots completely, and deal with each other as equals."
err.. No tey don't. Robots are slaves. Only the few enlightened people attempt to treat them as equals.

TO say it's not an extrapolation of our own universe is really just stupid.

Proof?

" Humans are common,"
If it is not an extrapolation, then why are there humans?

Re:Star Wars (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431114)

It would be interesting to see a James Bond like movie in space setting, because at least then

"at least then" ... what?

Come on, why did you choke? It was about half naked, sultry space women who need to be rescued and / or turned as a double agent.

Right?

Re:Star Wars (4, Informative)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431178)

Holy Roman Empire? You think that there were arenas in Germany during the middle ages? Remember the mnemonic: 'The Holy Roman Empire was neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire.'

Re:Star Wars (1, Troll)

insufflate10mg (1711356) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431592)

Sad that the editors of Slashdot had to claim it was a film that accompanied Empire Strikes Back when it was nothing even close to that. Crazy what they'll do for a few extra bucks in advertising views huh?

Re:Star Wars (4, Informative)

esocid (946821) | more than 4 years ago | (#31432190)

Sad that the editors of Slashdot had to claim it was a film that accompanied Empire Strikes Back when it was nothing even close to that. Crazy what they'll do for a few extra bucks in advertising views huh?

Que?

If you are old enough to have seen the original release of The Empire Strikes Back at the cinema in 1980, you almost certainly remember the extraordinary short film that preceded it. Otherwise you won't know a damn thing about it: with not one picture or accurate plot summary anywhere on the web, Black Angel has become a bit of an internet holy grail in itself.

FTFA

Re:Star Wars (1)

skam240 (789197) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431862)

What's the interest in Star Wars movies anyway? Star Wars in general mixes mostly Holy Roman Empire time with the arenas, races and idea behind jedi's with future living in space.

You seem to be mixing the Holy Roman Empire up with the Roman Empire as the Holy Roman Empire was most certainly not known for arenas and racing. As for the "and idea behind jedi's with future living in space.", I believe you're referring to the Jedi's being roughly equivalent to medieval knights in space. A more apt comparison would be with Arthurian legend as real knights, like those who were active in the Holy Roman Empire, don't have much in common with Star Wars Jedi aside from the sword play.

We don't really live like that, do we?

That's the whole point of fiction...

Similar to Lucas' Car Crash (3, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#31430872)

This spiritual tale of a knight on a strange quest was inspired by Christian's near-fatal fever when he fell ill in Mexico ...

That is oddly similar to the car crash that Lucas experienced shortly before graduating high school in his Autobianchi Bianchina on June 12, 1962. It was a bad wreck that I guess was highly improbable for him to survive. He was going to be a mechanic and race cars until that accident. He is also said to have conceived the idea for "the Force" as it would grow (by assimilation of aspects of some Eastern spiritual philosophies) into the "hokey religions and ancient weapons" of Star Wars. Proof that near death experiences have a very profound effect on people.

I'd provide a citation but I remember reading that off the back of a Topps Galaxy Star Wars card when I was a kid.

and ... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31430946)

"While James Cameron was on a trip to Italy he became very ill with high fever. One night he had a terrible nightmare about a huge robot with red-glowing eyes that was trying to kill him."

Re:and ... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31431048)

I once had a fever dream that I would be up-ranked to +5 Insightful after making a meaningless self-referential post as an AC on Slashdot.

Re:and ... (1)

cmiller173 (641510) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431284)

You know that feeling when your leaning back in a chair and almost fall but catch yourself at the last instant? I feel like that all the time.

Re:and ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31431524)

Zomg! Stephen Wright posts on slashdot.

Re:and ... (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431444)

Man, these guys have wild dreams and become billionaire filmmakers.

In my dreams, I have to take an exam that I didn't study for, and I'm naked, and then I fall from a high place. That's it.

No wonder I ain't never did shit.

Re:and ... (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431494)

"...while watching an episode of The Outer Limits inspired by an earlier short story somewhat similar to the premise of The Terminator."

Re:and ... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31431614)

Don't forget that George McFly had no dreams of becoming a successful writer until he had a near-death experience with Darth Vader from the planet Vulcan!

Re:and ... (2, Interesting)

Zordak (123132) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431868)

"While James Cameron was on a trip to Italy he became very ill with high fever. One night he had a terrible nightmare about a huge robot with red-glowing eyes that was trying to kill him."

Weird that he skipped the red-glowing eyes. But I guess that would've made it too blatantly obvious from the very beginning that Kate Winslet was the evil robot.

Re:Similar to Lucas' Car Crash (5, Funny)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 4 years ago | (#31430954)

I'd provide a citation but I remember reading that off the back of a Topps Galaxy Star Wars card when I was a kid.

This is Slashdot. That is a citation!

Re:Similar to Lucas' Car Crash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31431240)

and it's more research than Lucas did to actually make Star Wars

Re:Similar to Lucas' Car Crash (2, Insightful)

AndrewNeo (979708) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431300)

You have to research things to make up stuff, now?

Re:Similar to Lucas' Car Crash (2, Informative)

mrclisdue (1321513) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431474)

I just did some research, and I found out that you don't have to do research to make stuff up.

On another note, this guy just walked by my house, and there was a 20' tall cedar tree growing out of his ear.

cheers,

Re:Similar to Lucas' Car Crash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31431046)

Proof that near death experiences have a very profound effect on people

Wouldn't that rather be proof that you cannot really expect the future and extrapolate linearly, rather anticipate change and dynamically cope with it in an opportunistic and action-based way? eg: doing things and seeing opportunity or following intuition and drive to get to a result you yourself never could've envisioned.

Re:Similar to Lucas' Car Crash (1)

wjousts (1529427) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431104)

Proof that near death experiences have a very profound effect on people.

Rubbish. That's confirmation bias. I bet there are lots of people who had near death experiences that just shrugged it off and didn't change a thing.

Re:Similar to Lucas' Car Crash (1)

Gilmoure (18428) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431918)

Pretty much. Rolled my '72 Nova down I-90, about 50 miles east of Cle Elum. People that stopped said it rolled sideways several times and then flipped end for end. I just remember it suddenly pulling left in to the median and then there was a crowd of people around the car as the firemen pried open the drivers door. Other than a bump on the head and a scratch on one finger, I was perfectly fine. The roof of the car was crushed down to where the was just a few inches of opening where the windows were, except for over the high back bucket seats.

Nope, no inspiration from that one. Didn't give up my geeky ways and stop playing D&D or being nervous around women or nothing.

(Towed the car back to base, pulled the radiator out of the fan, hooked up the battery and the thing started up. I pulled the engine (from a '68 'Vette, hot rodded a bit) and ended up using it in a '76 Nova, then a '72 Camaro and finally, a '69 Camaro. I sold it with the '69 and am still kicking myself. It was a really nice engine.)

Re:Similar to Lucas' Car Crash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31431562)

I once lived in Roger Christian's house in Crouch End, and I broke his child's bed. Sorry Roger.

Re:Similar to Lucas' Car Crash (1)

Gilmoure (18428) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431802)

I have a bunch of those cards from back then. I should dig them out of storage. I also have some Battlestar Galactica, Buck Rogers, Space 1999 and a lot of baseball and football cards from the 70's. Would be cool to show to my daughter.

Re:Similar to Lucas' Car Crash (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#31432080)

"Proof that near death experiences have a very profound effect on people. "
no, it's not. thanks for trying to play.

Oh Just Release It to the Public Already! (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#31430896)

But do your other plans for the Black Angel story make you think twice about releasing it?

Do you know something? I'm wrestling with this. I was talking about it yesterday. I still get letters, still get emails, there are threads on the IMDB going on and on about it - people guessing the story and how much it affected their mindsbut I just wonder if I brought it out now, thirty years later

I haven't seen it in thirty years myself, but I wonder if its imitators have devalued it a little, the way seven years of The X-Files made Silence Of The Lambs look dated

Exactly.

It might look like a copy of the films and TV that it inspired, which have been in circulation ever since.

I assure you that I am quite capable of appreciating Kurosawa's Yojimbo and Sanjuro despite the fact that I had already seen Sergio Leone's Dollars Trilogy which massively borrows from them. I'm certain you were able to appreciate The Hidden Fortress after making the Star Wars Trilogy as well. So why do you doubt my ability to appreciate Black Angel?

I mean, if you choose not to release it then you have no intent to capitalize off of it and you should release it online via Veoh or YouTube or some video hosting site. Wouldn't the popularity and enjoyment from the film reward you in some way -- with it being your first film that you labored over?

I mean, even if it's just film snobs to appreciate it ... even if it's just a reason for people to brag that they've seen one of the original fantasy films ... even if it's just a chance for me to one up another person in conversation and promote my anti-social tendencies ... why wouldn't you release it in someway for the general public to digest in their homes?

Re:Oh Just Release It to the Public Already! (1)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431112)

I absolutely agree. This is not something for popular culture as much as for those few enthusiasts who would appreciate it for what it is. A NetFlix exclusive perhaps?

Re:Oh Just Release It to the Public Already! (3, Insightful)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431476)

Personally I'm wondering how Silence of the Lambs looks dated because of X-Files. Or at all for that matter.

Re:Oh Just Release It to the Public Already! (3, Informative)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#31432036)

I think the idea is that the X-Files borrowed some of the cinematic tricks which Silence of the Lambs used to make it so creepy. Granted, that's not the example I would have chosen, but I think it's a real problem in trying to introduce people to some kinds of art. If part of what was impressive about them at the time was that they were ground-breaking, and the ground that they broke is now well trodden, then new viewers are unlikely to be impressed.

Re:Oh Just Release It to the Public Already! (1)

mpapet (761907) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431574)

why wouldn't you release it in someway for the general public to digest in their homes?

1. The currency of hollywood is revenue. Art has nothing to do with it. I know, I know, tons will differ. But the artists are employed because of the revenue created, not the other way around. Showing things for free is a universally bad thing if he wants to stay in the industry.
2. Getting distribution is not simple or cheap. It would be a great deal of money to get started. Probably his own.
3. The executive side of the industry would stop hiring the poor fellow for not pushing it through their distribution channel. Youtube is fine for your home videos, but not something with enough production values to qualify as a movie.
4. He may not have distribution rights, or other rights necessary to get distribution.

Re:Oh Just Release It to the Public Already! (0, Troll)

jadin (65295) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431754)

I assure you that I am quite capable of appreciating Kurosawa's Yojimbo and Sanjuro despite the fact that I had already seen Sergio Leone's Dollars Trilogy which massively borrows from them. I'm certain you were able to appreciate The Hidden Fortress after making the Star Wars Trilogy as well. So why do you doubt my ability to appreciate Black Angel?

Speak for yourself. I have a very hard time appreciating originals after seeing their remakes etc. For one, the pacing of older films is often insanely slow for todays standards. There's the video and audio quality which is usually fairly bad, not to mention decayed since apparently it's not worth preserving. The audio quality seems to be especially harsh in this regard.

I mean, if you choose not to release it then you have no intent to capitalize off of it and you should release it online via Veoh or YouTube or some video hosting site. Wouldn't the popularity and enjoyment from the film reward you in some way -- with it being your first film that you labored over?

I can't believe this is a serious suggestion. A professional artist isn't going to want his film on youtube unless he has no choice. It isn't exactly known for being the haven of known artists, more like the myspace of videos.
I also can't imagine that he needs his ego stroked, but who knows.

I mean, even if it's just film snobs to appreciate it ... even if it's just a reason for people to brag that they've seen one of the original fantasy films ... even if it's just a chance for me to one up another person in conversation and promote my anti-social tendencies ... why wouldn't you release it in someway for the general public to digest in their homes?

I don't understand how you can be so certain that you _deserve_ access to someone's artwork. I sure hope that last paragraph wasn't serious, because none of those are even remotely decent reasons to release something.

+4 insightful? seriously?

Re:Oh Just Release It to the Public Already! (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431940)

I can't believe this is a serious suggestion. A professional artist isn't going to want his film on youtube unless he has no choice. It isn't exactly known for being the haven of known artists, more like the myspace of videos. I also can't imagine that he needs his ego stroked, but who knows.

Um, it makes a lot more sense to put videos on YouTube. Why? Because A) You aren't paying for the bandwidth B) People are on YouTube, I can guarantee you there are more users of YouTube than any other video site out there.

I don't understand how you can be so certain that you _deserve_ access to someone's artwork. I sure hope that last paragraph wasn't serious, because none of those are even remotely decent reasons to release something.

Why not? What benefit does the world get by not having the art shown? Same thing with literature. You don't -gain- anything from keeping things hidden. Even if something is complete crap by one person's standards, it may provide a lot of insight and entertainment to some people. Look at Franz Kafka (author of The Metamorphosis) would we have gained anything by having all of his works burned as he requested?

Re:Oh Just Release It to the Public Already! (1)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 4 years ago | (#31432018)

I don't understand how you can be so certain that you _deserve_ access to someone's artwork.

Perhaps because once the copyright runs out, that artwork will be public domain? At that point, if it's lost, either because it can't be found again or has degraded too much, the public will be cheated of the work it now supposedly owns.

Re:Oh Just Release It to the Public Already! (1)

Z34107 (925136) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431782)

He might not want to release it because if everything since borrows so much from it, it would look cliche. What if they discovered the first "Boy meets girl" drama from 467 BC and re-released it? The plot certainly wouldn't be as novel to a modern audience. And they would probably call it "Twilight."

Re:Oh Just Release It to the Public Already! (1)

Internal Modem (1281796) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431998)

More like "Romeo and Juliet," but Shakespeare burned the sources he plagiarized from, so we're stuck with that...

Re:Oh Just Release It to the Public Already! (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#31432112)

Star Wars and the Hidden fortress really have nothing in common.

Plus I did see the film in the theater, and if it is released, suddenly thousand or people will be claiming to have seen it in a theater~

That said, yes please release it.

Re:Oh Just Release It to the Public Already! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31432220)

Actually, "Last Man Standing" is a better example. Modern remake of Yojimbo by Kurosawa himself, just set in Prohibition era U.S. Agree with you that it just made me appreciate Yojimbo even more, though.

Executive Producer's Cut re-release (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31430982)

Adding Jar-Jar to the Executive Producer's Cut re-release was a huge mistake and totally ruined the film for me. Everything Lucas touches turns to crap! Stop raping my childhood!
 
/Never actually saw the film.

Re:Executive Producer's Cut re-release (1)

Gilmoure (18428) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431948)

What if they replaced all the humans in the Star Wars movie with Jar-Jar aliens?

Priming The Proletariat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31431050)

for another Star Wars film.

One word: marketing.

Yours In Astrakhan,
Kilgore Trout

Digital Dark Age (3, Insightful)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431080)

In those days history was lost because of issues with physically duplicating things. Nowadays, it is being lost because we don't own the keys to the digital locks. Perhaps in twenty years we'll come to our senses and retroactively permit the breaking of today's encryption then - for what survived.

Re:Digital Dark Age (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31431314)

Sorry, what was that? I couldn't hear you over all these pirated Blu-ray movies that have been ripped into completely unprotected formats and widely distributed.

Re:Digital Dark Age (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431418)

Popular will always survive, the little things perhaps not. Also, perhaps the Library of Congress with their copy (are those unencumbered?) should hold a "Cultural Event Day" every week where they select something from their archive and distribute it without restrictions. Or further to this issue: where is the line between preservation, teaching, and culture vs making money.

Re:Digital Dark Age (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#31432042)

Exactly, in the end I think we will have more information from the past century then we will of the present century. Everything has been so locked down in incompatible file formats. Yes, piracy will preserve and archive some popular works, but for everything else it will simply be lost. We look so regretfully on historical documents we have lost, yet we are blinded to see that 50 years or less from now we might not even have working copies of software, movies, music and e-books that have shaped our generation.

Every scene ends with a wipe? (2, Insightful)

otis wildflower (4889) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431088)

I mean, if his _Battlefield Earth_ is anything to go by..

Also, did he hold the camera straight?

Really? What was the distribution on this? (2, Interesting)

dschuetz (10924) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431120)

I saw TESB the first week it was in theaters (I think it was like day 5). I distinctly remember the theater, the standing in line wrapping around the building in downtown DC for like an hour, and I think I can even picture the interior of the theater, but I do not remember this film. Perhaps it was just too weird for me, but somehow I'd think that it would've been talked about amongst my friends and such.

So was this included with all prints, or just selected theaters in selected cities?

UK / Canada only (3, Informative)

dschuetz (10924) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431174)

Okay, checking on IMDB it seems like this was only released in the UK and Canada. So my memory of, Christ, 30-year-old movie experiences, is not yet faulty.

Re:UK / Canada only (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31431712)

It was also shown in Australian cinemas IIRC

Re:Really? What was the distribution on this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31431238)

I saw TESB the first week it was in theaters (I think it was like day 5). I distinctly remember the theater, the standing in line wrapping around the building in downtown DC for like an hour, and I think I can even picture the interior of the theater, but I do not remember this film. Perhaps it was just too weird for me, but somehow I'd think that it would've been talked about amongst my friends and such.

So was this included with all prints, or just selected theaters in selected cities?


It sounds like you saw TESB at the Uptown, [wikipedia.org] which is a theater where a fair number of films have their DC premiere. Even if the Black Angel was shown on only a handful of screens, that's precisely the kind of theater where it would have been shown.

Re:Really? What was the distribution on this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31431458)

I saw Empire on day 2 (snuck out of high school at lunch) at the Uptown and again the following week. "Black Angel" was not shown there.

Re:Really? What was the distribution on this? (1)

dschuetz (10924) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431756)

It sounds like you saw TESB at the Uptown

Lol. Good guess, but no. Saw it a few miles north, across from WTTG. Not sure that theater's even still there (can't find it on Street View, looks like a furniture store now). [Ha! Found it! "KB Cinema." [cinematreasures.org] And the link even describes TESB, complete with the line. :) ]

I used to love the Uptown (saw reissues of 2001 and the "director's cut" Blade Runner there, among other films), but now it's just too far to go. And the last couple times I'd been there I had bad experiences -- for one, the doors to the lobby open RIGHT INTO the auditorium, so anytime anyone came in our out of the theater you'd get bright light flooding onto one or the other side of the screen. (Maybe they've fixed this in the last 10 years).

Agreed, though, if it were anywhere, I'd've banked on Uptown.

Forget Angel and Empire (1)

owlnation (858981) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431134)

The movie to see was the one that (more or less) accompanied the original Star Wars in 1976 -- namely "Alice in Wonderland: An X-rated Musical Fantasy". By far the better movie, a great piece of art that should have been the one that bore 5 sequels.

Black Angel - The Series. (5, Funny)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431168)

Joss Whedon's new urban spin-off of Angel [wikipedia.org] with Samuel L. Jackson as the vampire cursed with a soul... "Welcome to the Hellmouth," mother-fucker.

Re:Black Angel - The Series. (1)

Jimmy King (828214) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431208)

You're onto something. I would watch the hell out of that.

Re:Black Angel - The Series. (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431422)

No you wouldn't.

It would be on Fox, and they'd show them in a random order, and then pull the show and put up repeats of American Idol.

Whedon's Angel would then get shoved into the Sunday midnight slot, then cancelled after 5 episodes. Three years later, you'll buy the series for $25 at Walmart.

Re:Black Angel - The Series. (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | more than 4 years ago | (#31431668)

... would then get shoved into the Sunday midnight slot, then cancelled after 5 episodes. Three years later, you'll buy the series for $25 at Walmart.

Not that we're bitter...

I'm kind of torn on the whole Firefly fiasco, on one hand the best SciFi TV show of all time died in childbirth, on the other hand we have an absolutely amazing work of art: one seasons worth of episodes that are unsullied by the eventual shark-jumping that would have eventually happened.

Though I would LOVE to know where Whedon intended to go with Shepard Book.

Re:Black Angel - The Series. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31431886)

Joss Whedon's new urban spin-off of Angel [wikipedia.org] with Samuel L. Jackson as the vampire cursed with a soul... "Welcome to the Hellmouth," mother-fucker.

Actually a joint project with Tarentino. I can hear the twangy 70s blacksploitation music now. Tarentino will co-star as the nerdy but cool street talking pedophile of the team. Samuel L. Jackson plays the night school principal whose favorite weapon is an Uzi firing wooden bullets.

Re:Black Angel - The Series. (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 4 years ago | (#31432002)

Oh thank god. I was worried it was going to be a movie starring Martin Lawrence as a wise-cracking [blank] who dies but gets sent back to earth so that he can [blank] while continuing to crack wise.

Re:Black Angel - The Series. (2, Funny)

Internalist (928097) | more than 4 years ago | (#31432092)

I think you meant...

Joss Whedon's new urban spin-off of Angel with Samuel L. Jackson as the vampire cursed with soul...

:D

only picture from the film (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31432074)

Allow me to be one of the many who will posit

ZOMG TORRENT PLZ

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