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Accidental Wii Suicide

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the guns-don't-kill-toddlers-do dept.

Wii 1343

Paul Taylor noted a story that I would have thought to be an April Fool's Day joke a few weeks from now, which makes it only seem more tragic. A 3-year-old shot herself with a gun after mistaking it for a Wii controller.

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Suicide? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31437438)

This is manslaughter. Whoever left a gun near a 3-year-old needs locking up.

Re:Suicide? (2, Insightful)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437468)

yeah, because her dad is probably really well right now.

He's an idiot, but I dunno if he really needs jail. I'm sure the loss of his child is punishment enough.

I can't imagine how terrible being in his situation would be, sounds worse than jail.

Re:Suicide? (1, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437534)

Agreed...this is punishment enough. He shouldn't be made an example of, but he should be used as an example as to why we need more education 9although having to tell someone to not leavea loaded gun laying around a kid is...wow, that's pretty bad.)

Remember folks: just because it is your right doesn't mean you have to be a fuckhead about it. Use some common sense.

Re:Suicide? (1)

scuzzlebutt (517123) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437576)

Who just leaves a gun on a table, especially with children in the house, seriously? Frankly, I think they should be pursuing criminal charges... Having to live with something like this would certainly be horrible. I think he should have to live with it in prison.

Re:Suicide? (3, Insightful)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437624)

yeah, because her dad is probably really well right now.

He's an idiot, but I dunno if he really needs jail. I'm sure the loss of his child is punishment enough.

I can't imagine how terrible being in his situation would be, sounds worse than jail.

What if he has more kids? What if it was an illegal gun? This guy needs some jail time.

Whether he feels bad about it or not there should be a severe punishment for this level of recklessness, negligence and stupidity. Just add a gun to that level of child care and it will never end well.

Re:Suicide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31437796)

yeah, because her dad is probably really well right now.

He's an idiot, but I dunno if he really needs jail. I'm sure the loss of his child is punishment enough.

I can't imagine how terrible being in his situation would be, sounds worse than jail.

What if he has more kids? What if it was an illegal gun? This guy needs some jail time.

Whether he feels bad about it or not there should be a severe punishment for this level of recklessness, negligence and stupidity. Just add a gun to that level of child care and it will never end well.

Maybe Darwin is trying to be proactive? Maybe we should shoot this guys nuts off. He obviously isn't meant to breed.

Re:Suicide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31437834)

Do you really think any amount of jail time is worse than the heart tearing pain caused by the loss of a child through your own fault? I'd say he wishes his son killed him instead right now. Jail time is going to do nothing.

Re:Suicide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31437546)

He likely didn't leave the gun near his 3 year old. It was proabably the middle of the night, everyone was sleeping. He wasn't thinking, or was thinking that he had put it away far enough, or that he'd wake up before his kid. Either way, it IS negligence. But I doubt it was that he just left it sitting right next to her.

Re:Suicide? (5, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437654)

Chances are very high it was loaded, round in chamber, and with the hammer cocked (and the safety off). The girl was three years old. Are you saying that she had the knowledge (and strength) to make that pistol ready to fire if it wasn't already like that?

Re:Suicide? (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437752)

Someone didn't bother to RTFA...

Re:Suicide? (1)

Loadmaster (720754) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437806)

The article says the father left a loaded handgun out on a table. That's putting it away far enough?

Re:Suicide? (4, Insightful)

ledow (319597) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437856)

"It was proabably the middle of the night, everyone was sleeping. He wasn't thinking, or was thinking that he had put it away far enough, or that he'd wake up before his kid."

And left a loaded, ready-to-shoot firearm in the middle of the room like you would a discarded plate or an old newspaper. There's no excuse. And this is exactly the problem with gun-owning countries - it's the middle of the night, everybody's sleeping, he hears a sound, panics, he's ***not thinking*** straight, and ends up aiming at things with a gun... a banging door, a stray animal, a kid trying to get his ball back when his parents won't know (weird, yeah, that's a weird situation, but it happens), a partygoer who's accidentally stumbled into the wrong back yard, a neighbour who's jumped over the fence to see what the strange sound was in his friend's back garden...

It's a gun. It's used to kill things, and only to kill things. Don't ready it unnecessarily, don't leave it lying about, don't carry it unnecessarily, don't use it when you're not confident of your abilities and judgement, and keep it THE HELL out of the way of children, or even your whole family. For some reason people seem to think less of that than if he'd left an upturned lawnmower, with the safety features dismantled, turned on and plugged in, in the same room. To be honest, I'd have had a LOT more sympathy for the guy in question if the child had done something with a dismantled lawnmower rather than a gun... at least he *could* have a nearly-plausible reason for having the thing sitting in his house in that kind of state.

Even if we take the "home defence" argument - the pillock left the gun downstairs, with ammunition in it after his initial fears were calmed. If there *had* been someone in the house that he didn't see, he's just handed them a free deadly weapon with which to kill him.

Re:Suicide? (0)

furby076 (1461805) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437590)

This is manslaughter. Whoever left a gun near a 3-year-old needs locking up.

WRONG! It is clearly Nintendo's fault for making their contoller look "similar" to a gun and obviously the family should sue Nintendo for negligible homicide and reap millions.

What...you don't believe me? Just wait until the family gets a lawyer telling them practically the same thing and how the family was wronged by Nintendo.

Re:Suicide? (3, Informative)

mjperson (160131) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437628)

RTFA

It was an obscure 3rd party controller from overseas that, according to the article, Nintendo had no idea existed. The sheriff's office could barely track it down on the web it was so obscure.

Re:Suicide? (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437638)

Cue Jack Thompson.

"See! See! I told you these video games turn kids into killers!"

Re:Suicide? (5, Insightful)

skgrey (1412883) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437612)

Absolutely. I am a conceal-carry holder and I have a number of handguns. I also have a one year-old and a seven year-old. I have an electronic safe which all my guns go in, as well as trigger locks. It's called being a responsible gun-owner.

It's also called being a responsible parent, not only for the gun part, but for the Wii part. Who lets their three year-old play shooting games on the Wii? I have a Wii and Xbox360 and my seven year-old does not play violent games. Any games which have any possibility of bad content which he plays are played with me there. He's a damn smart kid but I want to reinforce the right ideas and right values in him.

This father should be hung. Who leaves a loaded gun in the house, let alone on the table, let alone with kids in the house? And you know what? Kids like guns, even before video game consoles. Even if this kid wouldn't have played Wii she probably would have grabbed it.

Re:Suicide? (1)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437666)

Amen.

Re:Suicide? (3, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437692)

Absolutely. I am a conceal-carry holder and I have a number of handguns. I also have a one year-old and a seven year-old. I have an electronic safe which all my guns go in, as well as trigger locks. It's called being a responsible gun-owner.

Glad to see some other people are...it's getting harder and harder to find people that take the extra steps necessary to keep things safe.

This father should be hung. Who leaves a loaded gun in the house, let alone on the table, let alone with kids in the house? And you know what? Kids like guns, even before video game consoles. Even if this kid wouldn't have played Wii she probably would have grabbed it.

Not just loaded, but with a round in the chamber and the hammer cocked back. Unless someone wants to try to convince me that a three year old had the knowledge and strength to pull the hammer back...

Re:Suicide? (3, Informative)

ircmaxell (1117387) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437852)

Not to mention the fact that if guns are in the household (even if locked up) the kids need to be educated about them. Even if so much as "Don't ever touch them without my direct supervision". And I do think a 3 year old is old enough to be taught that. They may not understand it, but they are old enough to understand consequences. I honestly wonder how many of the child gun deaths are due to the child either being completely unaware that the parent owned one (and hence "found" it and thought it was cool) or wasn't taught anything about it (and hence had no idea about proper safety). My father owned guns when I was growing up. He taught me from day one never to touch them unless he was there with his permission. He taught me never to point a gun at something unless I planned on killing it (It's so ingrained in me, I refuse to play paintball because of it). And he did this while I was REALLY young. Sure, firearms are dangerous. But so are stoves and stairs. I would find it very odd if parents never taught a 3 year old that the stove was hot, or to respect stairs (so they don't fall down). I find it equally odd if parents never taught a 3 year old about simple gun safety if there was a chance that the child would come into contact with a gun. It doesn't matter if it is loaded or not, since all guns are loaded until proven otherwise (And even then, treat them as if they were)...

And I agree 100% that the father should have the book thrown at him. There's no excuse for an accident like this...

Re:Suicide? (1)

zero.kalvin (1231372) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437644)

The question is, how a 3 years old can pick a gun up, and while pointing the gun at himself, be able to pull the trigger ? If the parents really did leave a loaded gun with the safety pin unlocked near a child, they do deserve to go to jail.

Re:Suicide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31437698)

Why? If it was intentional, then I'd say yes, dad needs to do some time. But, I would bet money that the heartbreak and shock, and horror and everything else that accompanies an accident like this will be way more punishment than a correctional facility. I just hope dad decides to keep his gun locked up from now on, and not over react and sell it.

Re:Suicide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31437746)

I'm surprised a 3 year old had the strength to hold the revolver pointed at her head and to pull the trigger. The gun weighs 2-3 pounds and the trigger pull is 3-4 pounds, all at arms length (for a 3 year old.

Re:Suicide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31437768)

Agreed, negligent homicide... any a-hole who is stupid enough to leave a loaded weapon within reach of a 3 year old child should be sterilized for the sake of the gene pool and then jailed. This has absolutely nothing to do with the wii and is just sensationalist reporting. The 3-year old saw something shiny and new and played with it like all 3 year old's would.

Re:Suicide? (0, Troll)

allcar (1111567) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437844)

That's a bit harsh. Someone's lost a child, here. What's needed here is publicity to help others avoid this mistake and, ideally, a ban on firearms in domestic environments.

What a Tragedy and No Charges? (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437440)

I am so sorry for the Cronberger's loss of their three year old daughter. What a horrible tragedy.

But the fact that there are no charges being pressed enrages me. The article says:

Law Enforcement: If You're a Gun Owner, You Have to Be Responsible

Or what? Someone will shake their finger at you?

Cheyenne Alexis McKeehan was a victim of either neglect, ignorance or willful intent of her stepfather. Which one, no one can ever be sure of. Regardless of the circumstances he improperly stored a loaded handgun in his home in reach of a three year old.

Saying "terrible lapse of judgment" and "be responsible next time" isn't enough for me. This man should be charged with child endangerment so that people take their Second Amendment Rights seriously and responsibly should they choose to exercise them.

Were I a prosecutor, I would push for the jury to see that going through the trouble to find a toy (not regularly distributed commercially here) for your child identical to the loaded handgun that you "happened" to leave on the table one evening is more than suspicious.

If you have children, invest in a home security system before a handgun, folks.

Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges? (-1, Flamebait)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437508)

I am so sorry for the Cronberger's loss of their three year old daughter. What a horrible tragedy.

The horrible part is that she missed her parents' reproductive systems. They could breed again.

If you have children, invest in a home security system before a handgun, folks.

I'm just glad it was their child. The real tragedy is when someone leaves out a gun, and their child shoots someone else's child.

Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges? (2, Informative)

TheLink (130905) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437724)

Since you're talking about breeding etc. I believe the relationship was stepfather and stepchild. Not father and child.

Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges? (5, Insightful)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437798)

I'm just glad it was their child. The real tragedy is when someone leaves out a gun, and their child shoots someone else's child.

That's pretty fucked up, it's still an innocent child with the whole world ahead of her. Don't devalue a life because of poor decision on the parent's part.

Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges? (5, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437610)

But the fact that there are no charges being pressed enrages me.

Are you a parent? There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child. I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up comitting suicide intentionally, with the same gun. I can't imagine how much this guy's hurting right now.

I'd also betting his marriage is over. Yes, charges of child endangerment could be filed, but no punishment is going to change anything; no punishment that state can inflict will come close to what he's done to himself.

Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges? (5, Interesting)

outlander78 (527836) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437714)

But the fact that there are no charges being pressed enrages me.

Are you a parent? There's absolutely NOTHING they could do to the guy that would be worse than losing a child. I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up comitting suicide intentionally, with the same gun. I can't imagine how much this guy's hurting right now.

I'd also betting his marriage is over. Yes, charges of child endangerment could be filed, but no punishment is going to change anything; no punishment that state can inflict will come close to what he's done to himself.

I am a parent, and my eyes tear up thinking about a child dying, mine or one I've never met - they are all tragedies. However, in this case the *stepfather* left a gun around that killed a child that wasn't his. He may or may not be suffering, and it should be investigated.

Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges? (1)

unformed (225214) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437832)

However, in this case the *stepfather* left a gun around that killed a child that wasn't his. He may or may not be suffering, and it should be investigated.

Read the article. Normally the gun was kept in a locked place away from reach by the children. He took the gun out because he thought he heard an intruder. After investigating, he let the gun on the table and didn't put it away immediately.

Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31437784)

I am a parent. Are you a step-parent? This wasn't his own child. Hell, he may even have wanted it out of the way.

Regardless, society needs to punish this kind of stupidity. It's not just about punishing the guy; it's also about sending a message to other gun-owners. Why you'd even have a gun in the same house with a small child is beyond me, but if you do, you need to keep it locked away, not loaded and in reach while you're out of the room.

The only issue I have with OP is that he doesn't go far enough. This is 2nd-degree murder, not "child endangerment".

Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges? (2, Insightful)

xtracto (837672) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437808)

Except he is a stepfather.

Call me "crazy conspiracy theory lunatic" but this is a great plan to get rid of the "TAX" (aggregated "value") that came with marrying this guy wife. Ohh.. I "accidentally" placed my loaded gun in the place where the girl used to play with her toy gun. WTF.

I definitely agree they should press charges against this bastard. He is irresponsible and caused the murder of this girl.

Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31437618)

Yes, because when a murderer breaks into your home and death is coming in the next several seconds, the cops are only minutes way. And even that sarcasm aside, the cops have no legal duty to come help.

Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31437620)

How would he be able to predict she would shoot herself? A gun is heavier then a Wii controller by a lot and a Wii controller has all sorts of give ways as to what it is. To me it smells like an accident personally. People are not that bright and forget things constantly.

I do believe the police would be able to sniff out something like this right away, the first thing they suspect are the people closest to the family, if not family members themselves.

Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges? (1, Insightful)

sinrakin (782827) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437636)

I saw a headline yesterday that said "Do WII Controllers Look Too Much Like Guns?". Yes, that must be the problem. It's Nintendo's fault, not the people who left the loaded gun on the table near a three year old. They'll probably be sued.

Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges? (5, Insightful)

thue (121682) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437652)

This is not what law is for.

The parents have been punished enough by the natural consequences of their own actions. What purpose could it possibly have to add an artificial punishment on top of that?

Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges? (1)

rotide (1015173) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437660)

All I want to know is.. who the @#$% leaves a loaded weapon unattended and in the open while a child is nearby.

There are negligent things you can do (leaving plastic bags accessible to toddlers/infants) and then there is pure criminal negligence (leaving loaded weapons within their reach).

However, stepping back. I'm also sick of the "for the children" bullshit. Potentially, in this case, losing their 3yr old child may be more than enough punishment. If they cared at all, I can see themselves punishing themselves much more than any penal system could.

I couldn't imagine my child being killed on my watch. I'm not sure I could live with it if I was the cause.

Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31437688)

This man should be charged with child endangerment so that people take their Second Amendment Rights seriously and responsibly should they choose to exercise them.

So he should be publicly flogged as an example? I'd like to think we as a society have moved past that sort of thing.

Re:What a Tragedy and No Charges? (1)

gentlemen_loser (817960) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437860)

I agree with you that the parents have made an unforgivable mistake. However, the loss of their daughter is punishment enough. Their lives will already never be the same and I suspect that the grief they are dealing with is far worse than any punishment they may receive from a jail sentence. Why break up a family (they have another child) to sate YOUR rage?

Law Enforcement: If You're a Gun Owner, You Have to Be Responsible

Or what? Someone will shake their finger at you?

No. Or your child (or other loved one) may die and you'll have to live with the repercussions for the rest of your life.

I wonder... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31437442)

Did a dog pop up from behind the bushes and chuckle afterwards?

Re:I wonder... (-1, Offtopic)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437540)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Fuck, man, that was a good one. 1 hearty laugh and 1 coffee-stained laptop.

Mod me down, I don't fucking care. That laugh was well-worth it. Good to see that somebody here has a sense of humor. But really, the guy who's going to grab a loaded weapon at the first rustle in the bushes is the same kinda guy who sleeps with a loaded weapon under his pillow. I don't have a problem with responsible gun ownership but shit like that is bound to happen to those with excessively itchy trigger fingers.

Re:I wonder... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31437684)

Mod me down, I don't fucking care. That laugh was well-worth it.

Well it's nice to know that even in the senseless and totally avoidable death of an innocent 3 year old child there is a silver lining if some internet-dwelling jerk can get a chuckle out of it. Maybe you could do us all a favour and remove yourself from the gene pool so we can have a laugh?

Re:I wonder... (4, Insightful)

furby076 (1461805) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437690)

You are so going to hell for that comment...And I hate you for making me laugh....now I'm going with you.

Re:I wonder... (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437838)

Can you explain, I didn't get the joke (I am not native English speaker...)

In other news ... (-1, Troll)

daveime (1253762) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437448)

A unknown person accidentally died after mistaking an Airbus A380 for a tin of baked beans.

Why is the wii controller even mentioned? (4, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437450)

Why is the Wii controller even mentioned in this freakin' story? The kid shot themselves with a loaded gun left laying around by the parent. This has nothing to do with the Wii, and everything to do with some dumbfuck leaving a loaded gun laying around with a three year old in the house. I don't care what you child does for fun, leaving a loaded gun all willy-nilly where the child can reach it is the height of responsibility.

We don't need gun control, we need idiot control.

Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437496)

I don't care what you child does for fun, leaving a loaded gun all willy-nilly where the child can reach it is the height of irresponsibility.

Gah...should have previewed first. Fixed.

Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned? (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437512)

If you read the article, they had an enclosure for the Wii remote that looked like a real gun.

So more like the original Nintendo zapper, before they made it bright orange.

Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned? (2, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437594)

Irrelevant (although having guns in the house AND having a controller shell that looks like that is a bad idea). The point here is a moron left a loaded firearm where a kid could reach it. The fact that the kid managed to shoot herself implies that it was left with a round in the chamber and the hammer cocked as well...I doubt a three-year-old could do anything with a gun beyond pulling the trigger.

That makes this go from tragic and avoidable to just plain despicable.

Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned? (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437670)

I wasn't trying to make excuses for the guy, just saying that's why the Wii is being mentioned.

Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437718)

Sorry...just a bit worked up. I read about this story a couple of days ago, and it really pissed me off. As a gun owner who, even without kids, still keeps his firearms locked up, it bothers me greatly that people out there are exercising their second amendment rights without knowing their asshole from their elbow.

Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned? (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437600)

Still - who shoots themself with their Wii controller? Or did she shoot herself in the foot?

And who the fuck leaves a loaded gun on a table when they have a three year old kid on the loose? This guy should be in prison.

Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned? (1)

Miseph (979059) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437766)

It was a shotgun, and this was a 3 year old. The kind of hole that blows in a person, had this been a direct hit on the head or torso there probably wouldn't be much left.

As for who shoots themselves with a Wii controller... again, this was a 3 year old. I doubt she intended to "shoot" herself, but have no doubt that she pulled the trigger while the business end just happened to be pointed her way.

Speaking of which... how long was this shotgun barrel that a 3 year old could actually pull the trigger with it pointed at them? I have the funny feeling that this was either a sawed-off (which is a stupid thing to do, and also completely illegal in most states), or that maybe this had as much to do with the Wii as it did with suicide... as in, nothing at all.

Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned? (1)

eln (21727) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437634)

Sure, but the kid shot herself in the chest. The idea that she was picking it up so she could play a game on the Wii seems a stretch at best, even if it looked similar to the controller. Hell, even a three year old would be able to tell something wasn't right just by the difference in weight between a plastic game controller and a real gun.

The fact that she apparently pointed the gun at her own chest and pulled the trigger suggests she just found a new toy and was screwing around with it...unless she was in the habit of pointing the gun at her own chest while playing the game, in which case I can't imagine her scores would have been very good.

Also, yes the father probably feels horrible, but he still should be brought up on charges, and barred from ever owning a firearm again. Anyone who would leave a loaded handgun within easy reach of a toddler has proven beyond a doubt that they aren't responsible enough to own a gun.

Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned? (3, Insightful)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437802)

The idea that she was picking it up so she could play a game on the Wii seems a stretch at best, even if it looked similar to the controller. Hell, even a three year old would be able to tell something wasn't right just by the difference in weight between a plastic game controller and a real gun. The fact that she apparently pointed the gun at her own chest and pulled the trigger suggests she just found a new toy and was screwing around with it...

Or: Gun was on coffee table (where most wii controllers are kept), she walks up to it in such a way that it's pointed at her, she grabs with her thumb on the trigger (thus able to use a much stronger pull on the trigger), and tragedy results. In this scenario, she never had to lift the gun, just depress the trigger. BTW, when a child of 3 realizes something is different, it means "fun fun fun", not "something's not right, perhaps I should exercise caution" They only exhibit caution for instinctual fears.

Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned? (1)

DIplomatic (1759914) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437524)

Why is the Wii controller even mentioned in this freakin' story? The kid shot themselves with a loaded gun

Agreed. 3 years ago the story would have been "Child shoots self with gun because his culture is obsessed with firearms. Initial testing shows that the boy was trying to "be cool" and "kill some bad guys." "

Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned? (3, Insightful)

reiver102 (1667945) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437542)

The Wii is relevant because the kid thought she was going for a control...while it is the parents' responsibility to keep dangerous weapons away from children, it is also understandable that a 3-year old would not know how to differentiate between a real gun and a fake one that looks similar. Sadly, it was two problems that combined to make this tragedy possible. In this case, impossible to blame one without blaming the other, but in the end, blame is pointless, as it won't bring their child back.

Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned? (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437758)

But the Wii factor is marginal. Three year old kid, loaded gun, don't need much catalyst of any sort for such a tragedy - the kid could have mistaken the gun for whole lotta other things.

Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned? (2, Insightful)

delinear (991444) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437788)

I think it's more a coincidence that they happened to have a Wii control - kids that age will pick up and investigate just about anything that's left within reach, it's how they learn about the world around them. It's mere conjecture to suggest that she picked it up specifically because she mistook it for a Wiimote, and as the GP suggests, it detracts from the real story which is don't be dumb enough to mix kids and guns (unless you're pointing one at the other while issuing orders to begone from your lawn).

Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned? (1)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437810)

Blame is pointless? Exactly the opposite, this young life will be pointless only if nobody learns from it, only if noting is imporved as a consequence of it.
I'd say the blame lays squarely on the person responsible with handling the gun. And it would be better to make a big deal out of the event, so that households where guns are kept (and children live) will pay extra attention to their operating procedures with said weapon.

Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31437846)

Well, there are more interesting issues, like a 3-yo actually carrying and firing the gun, not that I'm saying all the 3yo are weak, but compared to a wii-mote, a gun it a bit harder to shoot.

Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned? (1)

hibiki_r (649814) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437702)

It is mentioned because the household had one of those chinese Wii attachments that makes the Wii controller look quite a bit like a gun. Black too. It's not hard for a 3 year old to think that those two are similar looking items.

Now, would a 3 year old play with a gun laying unattended anyway? Probably. Should the kid have readily access to a loaded gun? Of course not. But people grasp at straws, looking for something to help prevent gun accidents in ways that they can actually control. We just can't stop idiots, or people horribly distracted, like those that have to deal with the stress that a 3 year old can be, from failing to use safe gun handling procedures.

Life with a toddler around the house is a lot different than without. Things that you'd never fail to do properly before suddenly become far more difficult than they used to: I've seen it happen in many occasions. The extra stress will just get to people, and make them fail to hide their gun, keep a bottle of bleach in a place a kid will get to, or not realize that their SO put the baby,sleeping, in their car, leaving him to die in a hot, unattended car.

Re:Why is the wii controller even mentioned? (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437830)

Because the Wii angle is the hook taco chose to stir up slashdot gamer mujahiddens.

Q.E.D. (1)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437454)

See, video game really do make our youth violent.

Radiation... (1)

starblazer (49187) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437470)

And they said that the radiation would get to us all.....

in a more serious note, this sucks. Who the hell leaves their gun loaded and out in the open, ESPECIALLY WITH CHILDREN AROUND????

Plus, "The Nintendo game called Wii"... some mighty fine reporting there, lou.

Re:Radiation... (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437616)

Who the hell leaves their gun loaded and out in the open, ESPECIALLY WITH CHILDREN AROUND????

Americans.
seriously, if this happened in most countries would people be saying "he's been punished enough" and "there's no intent". The extremes would be the other way, should they chop his bollocks off or flail him alive.

Shot herself, you mean (5, Informative)

amaupin (721551) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437474)

Cheyenne Alexis McKeehan was a girl. Perhaps reading the story, Taco, might have been useful?

Actually, we don't know what he thought (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31437498)

Sadly, he is dead and so far as I know, didn't leave a note to tell us what he thought he was doing when he killed himself.

It is pure speculation on the part of interested parties to say that he thought it was Wii contrller.

Law Suit in 3-2-1... (1)

MrTripps (1306469) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437504)

Nintendo better get a good lawyer. You know they are going to sue.

Re:Law Suit in 3-2-1... (1)

aicrules (819392) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437632)

This is a pitiful play at a lawsuit if that's what they're doing. More likely it's their way to try to get out of felony manslaughter or murder charges. This goes way beyond criminal negligence. And that's if it really was the 3 year old who pulled the trigger and not something more sinister.

Plain stupidity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31437514)

No, that is NOT A WII ACCIDENT, that is plain stupidity from the parents side.

Suicide, my ass! (5, Insightful)

Rurik (113882) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437518)

WTF is wrong with you submitter? This is negligent homicide by the family. They left a loaded, cocked, pistol on a table where a three year old can get it. A three year old does not have a concept of life and death, and does not commit suicide. By throwing around the S-word you're taking the blame off the people it truly belongs to: the parents. People who cannot treat firearms with the respect they deserve should not have them.

Already the news is making an issue out of the fact that it's a Wii-related death. It's not. It's a loaded gun left out in the open. It doesn't matter if the Wii gun "looked" real, it wasn't. You can have a real, pink, Hello Kitty revolver there. It doesn't matter. A loaded and cocked gun was left where a curious child can get it.

Re:Suicide, my ass! (3, Interesting)

Kingrames (858416) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437738)

I'd also like to ask: Aren't real pistols much much heavier than fake ones? as grim as it may seem, they're leaving out a lot of details on how she was shot. Did the trigger get pulled while it was resting on the table? Was she injured by the kick of the pistol? Did she literally pick up the gun and point it at herself? Some of the possible scenarios incriminate the parents more than others, for certain.

Media Hysteria (0)

TheNinjaroach (878876) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437520)

A 3 year old had access to a loaded shotgun and shot herself to death with it, yet somehow we obviously know that it was mistaken for a Wii controller?

I don't buy it. Something smells like Jack Thompson.

Re:Media Hysteria (3, Insightful)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437648)

it was a .380 automatic handgun, not a shotgun. Stupid plastic guns these days do look toy-ish, so its not entirely unreasonable (mine are all wood/steel -- no one is confusing a 1911 .45ACP for a "toy" any time soon, for instance). Not that the media isn't going to get all hysterical over this, but on the other hand, its not that the parents weren't being completely irresponsible with regards to: A) leaving a loaded gun around, and B) letting the kid play so many video games.

However, I do believe the model in question is double-action only, which means requiring a very long trigger pull that ought to be beyond the finger strength limits of a 3-year-old girl, so who knows just how "accidental" this really is.

If guns are outlawed only outlaws have guns... (-1, Troll)

thijsh (910751) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437552)

and if guns stay legal only extreme asshats like this guy own a gun and think their children are any safer.
Just because something makes you 'feel' better does not make it better. And a gun might make you feel more secure and make your dick feel 5 inches longer but the sad truth is that statistically it is more likely the other way around.

RIP (1)

godrik (1287354) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437562)

Let me observe one postless day to the memory of this child.

How fucking stupid... (2, Insightful)

Taibhsear (1286214) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437572)

Do you have to be to leave your gun out with people in your home, let alone a child? Dad wasn't allowed to do anything upon entering our home after work, not even take off his shoes or coat, until he walked straight to the safe and put his gun away. If he ever forgot, Mom would have kicked his ass out of the house faster than you can say First Post!

Typical /. (5, Insightful)

hargrand (1301911) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437582)

It's good to see that the /. editorial bias is still very much well and truly alive. What's the point of this story (especially posted under games?) if it isn't to exploit one family's tragedy to promote the political ideology of the /. gatekeepers? I guess common decency and good taste are not among their core competencies.

Poor choice of everything. (5, Insightful)

Patrick Manderson (1403265) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437586)

First of all, this wasn't an "accidental suicide", it was an accidental death.

Second of all, putting "wii" in the title is highly misleading and is typical of today's media which is more interested in tabloid journalism, trying to grab everyones attention by assuming all your readers are more responsitive to these kind of headlines.

My respect for Slashdot just went down a few.

Re:Poor choice of everything. (2, Insightful)

tekrat (242117) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437686)

You had respect for Slashdot?
You must be new here!

Blame the Wii! (0, Troll)

incognito84 (903401) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437588)

Because we all know that is going to happen.

Don't blame the absurd gun laws that allow every douchebag the "right" to bear arms.

Don't blame the neglect, irresponsibility and carelessness of adults in the house.

Ignore the fact that this would only happen in America because of #1.

Blame the Wii because we all know the toy gun accessory it comes with gave the kid the wrong impression.

I feel sorry for the kid and the family.

Re:Blame the Wii! (2, Insightful)

lunatic1969 (1010175) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437850)

Don't blame the absurd gun laws that allow every douchebag the "right" to bear arms..

Here in the USA, we have that right here. We value it. I'd recommend living in another country if you can't accept it. That being said, gun ownership is a serious responsibility. My guns, when they aren't physically on me, are in a separate room that has it's own lock with a separate key. Furthermore, a gun is always loaded. Always. That's the attitude you need to have, and I would never leave a gun, even if I thought it was unloaded, where a child could reach it. ...and having a realistic gun controller for a three year old to play with is just flat spooky.

Guns don't kill people (1)

Rhaban (987410) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437602)

Video games kill people!

Re:Guns don't kill people (1)

ahaubold (1705608) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437782)

Especially if you let a 3 year old play shooting games.

How did a 3-year old pull the trigger? (3, Interesting)

imag0 (605684) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437658)

Really? A toddler pulling the trigger of a .380? A toddler?

I smell bullshit.

Re:How did a 3-year old pull the trigger? (1)

Wonko the Sane (25252) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437732)

There's no way a toddler has the hand strength to chamber a round and cock the hammer. Furthermore, no toddler would ever mistake the weight difference between a real pistol and a fake plastic one. In fact, I'd be surprised if a three year old could lift one without dropping it. Perhaps the parents aren't being entirely candid.

Nothing to do with the Wii - stupid mistake by (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437678)

the parents.

The mother is only speculating why, since she can't ask the kid who's dead.

What about this? She was 3! Three year old like playing with things. They left a loaded gun out in the open. I wouldn't leave an unloaded gun around my 10 year old nephews.

Re:Nothing to do with the Wii - stupid mistake by (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31437754)

the parents.

The mother is only speculating why, since she can't ask the kid who's dead.

What about this? She was 3! Three year old like playing with things. They left a loaded gun out in the open. I wouldn't leave an unloaded gun around my 10 year old nephews.

Shouldn't that be:

I wouldn't leave an unloaded gun around.

Pro tip (1)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437682)

Don't leave guns in the reach of toddlers, especially if you have a toddler living with you. And if you do, remove the ammo from it.

This was neither an accident, nor a suicide. (1)

uxbn_kuribo (1146975) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437740)

"Cheyenne Alexis McKeehan of Norene, Tenn., shot herself Sunday night after her stepfather left his loaded Smith & Wesson handgun out on a table, Wilson County Sheriff Terry Ashe said." I think I see where this story went wrong. Seriously, this isn't an accident--- it is a completely avoidable death. What kind of idiot leaves out loaded handguns with children in the house? I hope this guy rots in prison. Further, it wasn't a suicide--- it wasn't the child's attempt to kill herself. Finally, this story has about as much to do with the Wii as it does an NES. How much Wii-shooting can a three-year-old possibly do? I don't think the Wii had anything to do with it--- the kid saw what she thought was a toy, played with it, and now her father's the poster boy for redneck idiots. The connection between "Wii" and "child playing with loaded handgun" is so short that it shouldn't even be news.

Has anyone commenting even watched the video? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31437742)

The WiiMote was apparently used inside some I'm assuming 3rd party contraption that looked just liked the real gun. So, ye sit is kinda sorta a Wii story if the girl thought the real gun was indeed her WiiMote gun. Not the Wiimote itself, but the WiiMote inside the gun.

And sorry to go all sexist conspiracy theory, but can a 3 year old girl even pull the trigger of that gun? I have ZERO experience with real handguns but I'm assuming some strength is required to pull the trigger far enough to get it to fire.

The father is responsible (1)

Jason Levine (196982) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437756)

I heard about this story a few days ago via Twitter. Apparently, the father heard something outside and took his gun with him to investigate. It turned out to be nothing so he went back to sleep, but not before putting his loaded gun on the coffee table. Wait, I think that needs more emphasis: HE PUT HIS LOADED GUN ON THE COFFEE TABLE.

The next day, the 3 year old was playing, saw the gun, thought it was a game controller and shot himself. Now I'm not a gun owner and I've never even held a gun, much less fired it, but even I know this much about gun safety:

You never leave a gun (especially a loaded gun) someplace where a child can get it!!!!

Why didn't the dad simply put it away? "He was tired" isn't a valid answer. As a parent, I've had plenty of times when I've been tired, but I don't leave weapons lying around when I am. (And having had someone prowling about my house at 2am, I can tell you you tend to get very alert, very fast.) As a parent, your child's safety and well-being is priority #1, even above your own. Losing 10 minutes of sleep while you put the gun away is nothing compared to the risk of your child discovering the loaded gun the next morning before you remember about it.

Please update the blurb on the story (1)

Dogun (7502) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437776)

Please note that this was not a licensed Wii controller. People are stupid enough as is; they don't need a confusing headline to help them decide games are evil.

"Nintendo" and "Wii" in all the headlines.... (4, Interesting)

mary_will_grow (466638) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437780)

... But you have to read the article to see "Smith and Wesson". Unreal.

I can see where the conversation gets muddy when someone commits a violent act after playing violent video games. Not saying anything about that beyond that its at least an interesting topic. But when a TODDLER finds a LOADED GUN ON A COFFEE TABLE and SHOOTS HERSELF WITH IT are we really going to try to blame it on VIDEO GAMES?!?!?!

Suspicious story (1)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437792)

It seems clear the family were a bunch of gun-nuts. They purposly sought out a realistic looking gun controller for use a by a 3 year old, when all the quality stuff in normal shops is made of white plastic and looks nothing like a real gun.

Then they leave a real gun, with the safety of, loaded through, ready to fire on a table with a kid.

What part of this doesn't shout dysfunctional family to you? But don't worry, the lawyer will blame all this on video games.

And the gun nuts will explain just how safe guns really are, because they ain't as nutty as this guy was. Nope, they are responsible gun nuts.

Congrats, you win a Darwin Award! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31437794)

I love survival of the fittest. It's not the kids fault, but his gene pool, as evidenced by his parents, is a dead end. Good riddance! Send me the Wii.

Geez (1)

rgviza (1303161) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437822)

I have a rifle. There's this little thing called a trigger lock you can buy... you can also slide the breech out, remove the firing pin assembly and store it separately in your sock drawer or something. Then you can stuff the ammo in your mattress.

An IQ test should be part of the purchase process for a firearm.

I smell a lawsuit... (1)

Vyse of Arcadia (1220278) | more than 4 years ago | (#31437854)

If this gets a lot of attention, I can see Nintendo suing the parents. To my knowledge, there isn't a single Wii accessory that looks like a realistic gun. And aren't there laws about certain features toy guns need to have (bright orange plastic, et cetera) anyway?

Also, when is this idiot (the stepfather) going to be charged with manslaughter?
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