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Bill To Ban All Salt In Restaurant Cooking

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the too-stupid-to-live-as-long-as-possible dept.

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lord_rotorooter writes "Felix Ortiz, D-Brooklyn, introduced a bill that would ruin restaurant food and baked goods as we know them. The measure (if passed) would ban the use of all forms of salt in the preparation and cooking of food for all restaurants or bakeries. While the use of too much salt can contribute to health problems, the complete banning of salt would have negative impacts on food chemistry. Not only does salt enhance flavor, it controls bacteria, slows yeast activity and strengthens dough by tightening gluten. Salt also inhibits the growth of microbes that spoil cheese."

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This just in! (5, Informative)

jemtallon (1125407) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442108)

Some politicians are idiots! More at 11.

Re:This just in! (5, Insightful)

XPeter (1429763) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442216)

All politicians are idiots! More at 11.

There, fixed that for you.

Re:This just in! (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442374)

You obviously haven't looked at how much they get paid.

Re:This just in! (0, Flamebait)

black88 (559855) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442406)

What are you, the fucking speech police or something? I think its pretty goddamned cute when making a point regarding political corruption and power run amok that you deem it vital to your point to correct someones fucking speech with that inane "Fixed That For Ya" drivel. Here's a hint, kiddo; It does not make you appear to be any more intelligent nor does it make you look witty or erudite, no, you come off like a fucking douchebag tool when you do shit like that, and I know for a fact you would not do the same thing in the context of a public debate, for almost certainly you would be either ridiculed or pummeled to the fucking ground.

There ought to be an Internet License.

Re:This just in! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31442552)

are you kidding?

his " fixed that for ya" was an extension to the original joke and was entirely appropriate. hope the knee jerk didn't knock the wind out of you. maybe you should take a second to breath

Re:This just in! (-1, Troll)

black88 (559855) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442770)

Not kidding.

Internet License Now!

Re:This just in! (2, Informative)

y_axis (815085) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442690)

What are you, the fucking speech police or something? I think its pretty goddamned cute when making a point regarding political corruption and power run amok that you deem it vital to your point to correct someones fucking speech with that inane "Fixed That For Ya" drivel. Here's a hint, kiddo; It does not make you appear to be any more intelligent nor does it make you look witty or erudite, no, you come off like a fucking douchebag tool when you do shit like that, and I know for a fact you would not do the same thing in the context of a public debate, for almost certainly you would be either ridiculed or pummeled to the fucking ground.

There ought to be an Internet License.

Anger management therapy. Seriously. Look into it.

Re:This just in! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31442716)

Wow this guy needs to get off his high hoarse. This post doesn't make you intelligent either it makes you look like a fucking douchebag. This must be a politicians?

Re:This just in! (0, Redundant)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442400)

What's funny about the linked article is that the person who wrote it is a tub of lard.

Go go Nanny State... (5, Insightful)

FroMan (111520) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442120)

Do you really want the government telling you what you cannot eat?

Stay out of my bedroom, welcome to my kitchen?

Re:Go go Nanny State... (4, Insightful)

ircmaxell (1117387) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442794)

Well, the last time I checked, salt is a vital element to our survival (It regulates water content, not enough and we'd all die of dehydration regardless of how much water we drank). So by removing it from public sources, are they thereby impacting at least some people's ability to get salt (IE those that do not eat much at home) and hence endangering them? Sure, excessive salt can be dangerous, but not nearly as dangerous as not enough... This sounds to me like a "That sounds bad, we should do something about it!" snap decision... Sigh...

eh? (5, Insightful)

the biologist (1659443) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442138)

Salt is a dietary requirement. If you don't get enough salt in your diet, you get sick and die. Limiting salt levels in foods, rather than an outright ban, might make sense. However, I expect the only result would an increase in the number of people carrying personal salt shakers when they eat out.

Bring on the goiters (1)

cromar (1103585) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442218)

Not to mention that most people get their iodine from iodized salt. Down with the pro-goiter lobby!

Re:Bring on the goiters (1)

the biologist (1659443) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442322)

goiters are annoying... but the major benefit of iodized salt is the near-elimination of cretinism (the disorder, not the modern use referring to idiots of all stripes).

Re:eh? (4, Funny)

magarity (164372) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442448)

Limiting salt levels in foods, rather than an outright ban, might make sense
 
Instead of having the info available to diners who are concerned about their salt intake and letting them make their own decisions? Yeah, better that the government employees tell us what to do. I know they know best; they've told me so!

Re:eh? (1)

twidarkling (1537077) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442570)

Well, to be fair, GP did say "might" make sense.

To me, legislating food beyond "dis shit be lethal, don't sell it" is rather stupid, and people should be allowed to make their own decisions.

It'd be nice if sit-down places made nutritional facts available easily, like the fast-food places do, since most of them are fairly asssembly-line cooking now anyway.

Re:eh? (2, Insightful)

egburr (141740) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442600)

Or maybe give us the option when ordering to say "low salt" and actually have that followed. I understand some things need salt to prepare properly, but a lot of things I get when eating out would be significantly improved by reducing the amount of salt put in by the cooks. I almost never feel the need to add yet more salt to anything I get at restaurants, especially fast food places.

AntiSemitic? (3, Funny)

d3ac0n (715594) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442870)

Isn't it a requirement of Kosher meats that they be Salted as a part of the preparation? No Salt, no Kosher.

So, this idiot is saying that Jewish people can't have their religious and culturally required diet? Yeah, like THAT's gonna fly in NYC.

(Not Jewish myself, but I love gefilte fish, and lox is my favorite bagel topping. I would be seriously pissed if I couldn't get them anymore.)

Black Market Salt Cartel (4, Funny)

jameskojiro (705701) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442146)

I am going to have fun setting up my black market salt dispenseries.

YAY!!!

Re:Black Market Salt Cartel (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442576)

I've got a much better plan. Just sell aqueous Lye and Muriatic Acid to restaurants and add them to the food separately. Oh and a table of pre-calculated stoichiometric quantities so that the chefs don't have to do math. You don't really want any left-over reagents in the food.

Felix Ortiz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31442156)

What a douche

*facepalm* (1)

ardyng (973980) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442160)

Honestly.
Why not remove all fat from food too?
And sugar.
And calories.
That way we'll all be uber healthy and slim, right? ... ...Guys?

Re:*facepalm* (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442422)

A solution would be to mandate certain amounts of healthy food purchase with food stamps/EBT. A concurrent solution would be to have a strong, employed middle class who can afford to buy healthy foods like produce. Or perhaps tax the hell out of fast food. I can go to Little Caesar's and get a large pepperoni for less than six bucks. Six bucks a day ain't bad for an active fatass like me (in before ramen noodles, I ate them every day for years and I'm sick of 'em)

Aditionally, I have to shout out to growing vegetables. They make special hangers if you're short on space, and Home Depot has a 1-year no-fault warranty on plants. Tomatoes and zucchini are tasty grilled and easy as hell to grow.

Stupidity (0, Troll)

XPeter (1429763) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442180)

He's from Brooklyn. 'Nuff said

Re:Stupidity (5, Funny)

imgumbydamnit (730663) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442776)

Fuck you, you fuckin' fuck.

but (5, Funny)

lastgoodnickname (1438821) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442182)

but if there's no salt for your hash, doesn't that make your clients and servers less secure?

So what else is new (-1, Troll)

jimbobborg (128330) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442184)

Felix Ortiz, D-Brooklyn. Surprise! A Democrat from Brooklyn wanting more regulations. But wait, this time for food! Next they're banning sugar and caffeine.

Re:So what else is new (1)

ameline (771895) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442300)

Salt, sugar and caffeine?! That would be three of the six major food groups. (The remaining three being chocolate, alcohol and fat, making a tequila shot (with salt), a boston creme donut and a shot of espresso the breakfast of champions.)

Re:So what else is new (1)

cromar (1103585) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442334)

Eat recycled food. It's good for the environment and okay for you.

Re:So what else is new (1)

twidarkling (1537077) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442592)

You betrayed the law!!! :p

Re:So what else is new (0, Troll)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442492)

Banning sugar next? They're already working hard to push tax on "sugary" sodas and drinks in NY.

I love the loaded language. Sugary, like we're talking about a bottle full of sugar. And they don't even seem to make much of a distinction about the types of sugar used, other than expecting us all to accept artificial sweetners as a reasonable alternative.

And even better, they're claiming that the money earned by this tax will help pay for other programs. I love this bullshit. So, do they really want people to stop buying these drinks, putting an end to this revenue stream? Of course not! They hope people will go on buying this stuff, giving them another way of digging into our pockets for some extra money.

More Important Things (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442190)

Don't politicians have more important things to deal with?

I know. I know. I must be new to, well, western civilization...

Fail (5, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442194)

Ortiz admits that prior to introducing the bill he did not research salt's role in food chemistry, its effect on flavor or his bill's ramifications for the restaurant industry. He tells me he was prompted to introduce the bill because his father used salt excessively for many years, developed high blood pressure and had a heart attack.

Reacting emotionally is how bad laws get written and passed.

Re:Fail (2, Informative)

Zerth (26112) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442430)

Yah, it would take him 2 minutes to find that reducing salt only affects blood pressure in 1/3 of people.

I was recently diagnosed with hypertension and the first thing we did was to reduce sodium in my diet, then a drug to remove it. Didn't change my BP at all, although the stress of having high blood pressure might've countered whatever effect it had:)

Re:Fail (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31442742)

I'd be more inclined to believe he simply wants more money to pass through his hands, and more power which he can leverage for his own benefit. In the business of government, the more money passing through your hands, the more you stand to benefit. It doesn't matter where the money goes -- as long as it passes through your hands, you win.

"Reacting emotinally" is exactly what he wants you to believe.

Question (1)

Bicx (1042846) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442198)

Why does this guy hate salt so much? Did he have a bad experience with salt, possibly during his early childhood? Does the taste of salt remind him of his ex-lover?

I don't think he really appreciates what salt has done for humanity. It preserved our meat by preventing bacterial growth, flavored food when we had little access to other spices, and even served as currency in ancient times. It gave us handy little phrases like "take that with a grain of salt," and you can even use it to kill slugs.

Re:Question (3, Informative)

Quietust (205670) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442360)

From TFA:

He tells me he was prompted to introduce the bill because his father used salt excessively for many years, developed high blood pressure and had a heart attack.

Because what was bad for his father is obviously bad for everyone. Though I'm sure some people won't mind this bill, particularly the ones who require extremely low sodium diets to cope with various medical conditions.

Re:Question (2, Insightful)

lyinhart (1352173) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442368)

FTA: "Ortiz admits that prior to introducing the bill he did not research salt’s role in food chemistry, its effect on flavor or his bill’s ramifications for the restaurant industry. He tells me he was prompted to introduce the bill because his father used salt excessively for many years, developed high blood pressure and had a heart attack."

So he's proposing the bill because his own bad personal experience, not because it would benefit his constituents, who probably don't want the bill either. So much for representative government.

Re:Question (1)

CorporateSuit (1319461) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442428)

Salt killed his father.

Re:Question (3, Insightful)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442544)

LOL...No. His father killed his father. (Just in case you weren't being sarcastic)

Re:Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31442626)

And raped his mother.

Re:Question (5, Funny)

twidarkling (1537077) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442650)

"My name is Felix Oritz. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

Re:Question (2, Funny)

the_Bionic_lemming (446569) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442788)

Salt killed his father.

So his father was a slug?

Re:Question (1)

Kiaser Zohsay (20134) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442456)

Does the taste of salt remind him of his ex-lover?

I think I speak for everyone here when I say "Eewwwwww!"

Nails are dangerous too... (5, Funny)

fuo (941897) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442200)

I stepped on a nail once when I was a kid... It hurt.

They should pass a law that makes it illegal for carpenters to use nails so this never happens to another innocent child.

What's going on. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31442204)

In Louisville KY, the city is considering banning trans fat in restaurants. This just seems crazy.

Re:What's going on. (2, Informative)

mweather (1089505) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442260)

Good. Lard just plain tastes better.

Re:What's going on. (4, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442298)

Trans fats are an artificial substance that occur primarily due to anti-fat hysteria. In mindlessly fleeing from animal fats, we managed to create something 10 or 100 times worse.

In this respect, it's a little less absurd to try to ban it.

There should just be accurate labeling across the board.

Re:What's going on. (1)

Ephemeriis (315124) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442748)

In Louisville KY, the city is considering banning trans fat in restaurants. This just seems crazy.

Good.

Trans-fat is horrible, nasty, awful stuff. The only reason to use trans-fat instead of good ol' animal fat is price. Trans-fat is cheaper to use. It's also absolutely horrible for your body.

Any recipe you're making with trans-fat now can easily be modified to use good ol' regular fats and shortenings. There is literally no need for trans-fat in your diet.

Re:What's going on. (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442840)

In Louisville KY, the city is considering banning trans fat in restaurants. This just seems crazy.

This has been done already in many cities (I think some states have gotten on the band wagon as well). I do not approve of trans fat bans, but they are categorically a different thing than salt bans. As far as I know, trans fat is not a necessary part of the diet as opposed to salt, which is.

Idiot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31442222)

Salt is a vital nutrient. I am a marathoner and a long distance biker. If I don't get enough salt, I die. Literally. [wikipedia.org]

Food religion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31442224)

Salt is used by the evil corporation to make their over-produced crap more palatable. Therefore, salt itself is evil.

The dietary sodium intake leading heart disease and high blood pressure is NOT settled.

And real cooks cooking real food ALL use sodium.

Hopefully, like the beer raids in PA, this will lead to the idiots that propose this crap legislation getting less and less political power.

This is SAD. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31442228)

This is so stupid. Normally, I'd have something constructive to add, but this is just too dumb. Maybe they'll ban black pepper next...

Re:This is SAD. (1)

twidarkling (1537077) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442686)

Maybe they'll ban black pepper next...

I'd like that. I'm allergic.

ummmmm..... (4, Insightful)

qsliver (1737040) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442230)

“I think salt should be banned in restaurants. I ask if a dish has salt in it, and if I does, I get something else that doesn’t have salt,”

Correct me if I'm wrong but a large number of the chemicals that make up food are salts of one type or another. What exactly does he eat?

Re:ummmmm..... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31442390)

"Salts of one type or another" isn't the same thing as people mean when they say just "salt". Especially in the context of food. If you didn't know that then you seriously need to get out more and interact with other people. Christ, even the internet should get you that much exposure to the real world. When people say "salt" think "sodium chloride" - you'll be right far far far more often than with your current thinking.

Re:ummmmm..... (1)

qsliver (1737040) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442462)

woosh

Re:ummmmm..... (4, Funny)

Like2Byte (542992) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442464)

"I think salt should be banned in restaurants. I ask if a dish has salt in it, and if I does, I get something else that doesn't have salt,"

Correct me if I'm wrong but a large number of the chemicals that make up food are salts of one type or another. What exactly does he eat?

Come November? Crow.

Re:ummmmm..... (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442536)

Dry lettuce.

Re:ummmmm..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31442774)

Correction....

Iceburg lettuce.

Other types actually have stuff in them.

Re:ummmmm..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31442542)

Doesn't need to be "salts of one type or another" .. the answer is that he eats vegetables. Raw, steamed, blanched, grilled.. whatever. But they'll be bland. Salad with a dressing? Nope. Sorry, no butter either. Sauce? That won't fly. Meats are right out.

Racist. (3, Funny)

Mekkah (1651935) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442232)

Salt is white, clearly this is legislation in support of hate crimes.

Bad ideas last forever (3, Insightful)

russotto (537200) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442252)

The problem isn't this bill, which won't pass. The problem is that bad ideas like this, once introduced, have a life of their own. They keep getting reintroduced until they do pass. (good ideas, on the other hand, get shelved and are never heard from again).

They've already assaulted baked goods by banning trans-fats (certain baked goods need shortening for texture). Ruining everything else, even with a watered-down anti-salt bill, is now inevitable.

Re:Bad ideas last forever (4, Informative)

pnuema (523776) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442480)

As an avowed foodie, there is absolutely no reason one needs to use trans fats. Ever. The only advantage they have over regular fats is shelf life, therefore cost. By banning them the playing field is leveled for everyone, and we can finally put that pox on humanity behind us forever.

Trans fats have been removed from your favorite foods for a few years now. Can you honestly say you can tell?

Re:Bad ideas last forever (2, Informative)

d34dluk3 (1659991) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442522)

They've already assaulted baked goods by banning trans-fats (certain baked goods need shortening for texture).

Given that describing trans-fats as poison would not be too far from the truth, I'm not sure improving baked good texture is a very good justification for using them.

Re:Bad ideas last forever (4, Insightful)

Mordac (1009) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442528)

Shortening != Trans Fat.

You can go back and have cake, just don't put certain margarines and other artificial oils in it.

Re:Bad ideas last forever (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442538)

The big advantage trans fats have over other fats is shelf life. Recipe changes should be able to compensate for any issues with texture (notice that Crisco still sells vegetable shortening, they just stopped using partially hydrogenated oils in it, so they can market it as having no trans fat in it).

And I'm pretty sure the occasional bad idea is repealed. There was a big one back in the 30s.

Re:Bad ideas last forever (1)

martas (1439879) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442892)

watered-down anti-salt bill

I LOLed.

This is just what we need... (2, Insightful)

Biljrat (45007) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442264)

a bill to make our food taste awful. Let us just take a look at how this can help. Just think of all the money people will save by not going out to eat because the food tastes like shite. Of course if people stop going out to eat then restaurants will have to lay off workers or even go out of business. Those people that are now out of jobs can save what little money they get on unemployment by not going out to eat - at least for a few months until their unemployment runs out and they lose their homes. More lost jobs because some shite for brains politician knows nothing and wants to get his name in the paper.

Instead of cutting salt out of their diets people could get healthier by getting more exercise - like kicking politicians in the ass when they have stupid ideas.

Felix Ortiz, D-Brooklyn... (2, Funny)

ItsJustAPseudonym (1259172) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442284)

...probably eats paste.

It would make more sense to outlaw... (1)

Nick Driver (238034) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442314)

...whacko stupid politicians. If one proposes a stupid law, he gets a life sentence to a mental institution since he's clearly a danger to society.

Please... (1)

garg0yle (208225) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442336)

won't somebody think of the PICKLES??? This could be the end of the kosher dill as we know it!

Something has to be done... (1)

cowtamer (311087) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442352)

But this isn't that something.

Perhaps this article is a good analogue to illustrate what happens when technologically illiterate lawmakers propose technology legislation.

It's true that it is IMPOSSIBLE to eat a low sodium diet if you're eating out without severely restricting what you consume (if you disagree, I'd love to hear which items worked for you besides lettuce and hard-boiled eggs).

It's also near impossible to eat even a regular sodium diet if you eat out a lot, like I do.

Perhaps there needs to be some law to require *LARGE* restaurants to offer a low-sodium (but not salt free) option for maybe 10% of their menu items, or to regulate the sodium in a single portion to less than a day's recommended allowance (a lot of current dishes will fail).

Re:Something has to be done... (5, Insightful)

ignavusinfo (883331) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442662)

No, nothing needs to be done.

The government has no business whatsoever dictating what restaurants can and cannot have (never mind must have) on their menus. If you can't eat something, don't eat it ... if that means not going out to eat, well that's your issue. Restaurant owners are not responsible for your health, you are.

Christ, what the hell happened to personal responsibility?

This is how government works unfortunately (3, Insightful)

aaandre (526056) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442364)

This is a great example of the knee-jerk reaction process that the government employs.

Creating overreaching laws and rules for everyone is very rarely the solution to a problem.

Re:This is how government works unfortunately (1)

JSBiff (87824) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442736)

No law has actually been created yet. Some *idiot* proposed a stupid, stupid idea. It *might* become law, but I highly doubt it (though, I'm not so sure that I would wager any meaningful stakes on it, to be fair).

The thing is, if this were enacted into law, it will most likely *kill* dining in New York City. I suspect that the entire hospitality and tourism industry in NYC will lobby against this bill. If I were in any tourism related business in NYC, I sure would (because, let's face it, eating is a huge part of tourism - if people can't stand the food, they might avoid NYC altogether, and choose to go other places, like Vegas, LA, Chicago, Atlanta, Miami, etc).

All Forms of Salt (1)

LikwidCirkel (1542097) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442416)

"All forms of salt" would suggest this includes products like table potassium chloride, which is sold as an alternative to common table salt. That's like banning Coke because of the sugar, and also banning diet coke because it resembles coke. Oh.. Wait.. this is already the case with commercial help crops. No stupid proposed laws surprise me any more.

Re:All Forms of Salt (1)

LikwidCirkel (1542097) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442440)

*ahem* .. that's hemp crops, not help.

Re:All Forms of Salt (1)

funwithBSD (245349) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442572)

Proof Medical M has no negative side effects...

Re:All Forms of Salt (1)

LikwidCirkel (1542097) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442814)

Commercial help != Medical M... not even close. It's used for food and fibres, not getting sick people high so they can live with themselves.

Salt??? (1)

quantumpineal (1724214) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442454)

Nyoh! I love salt!

This is just grandstanding. (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442506)

Like bills to outlaw the word "bitch" or define Pi as 3, there's no reason to get all worked up about it as it has 0 chance of ever passing.

Re:This is just grandstanding. (4, Insightful)

characterZer0 (138196) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442602)

Exactly. The obviously ridiculous bills (e.g. DMCA, PATRIOT Act, NY State Budget) never get passed.

Too much salt? (4, Funny)

CranberryKing (776846) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442550)

Those problems are related to the fact that no one uses REAL salt anymore. That stuff that Mortons sells is an awful chemical that destroys your arteries. REAL sea salt is GOOD for you.

Re:Too much salt? (4, Informative)

mdarksbane (587589) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442858)

Really... so sodium chloride plus 2% random crap out of the ocean is inherently better for you than sodium chloride + 2% safe non-clumping agent and iodine? Because that's pretty much what you're comparing. They're 98% the exact same chemical.

Don't take my word for it, ask the May clinic:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sea-salt/AN01142 [mayoclinic.com]

But hell, enjoy your goiters.

Just wondering (1)

rossdee (243626) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442596)

Does NY have a sales tax on restaurant meals. I wonder how much revenue they will lose with fewer people going out to dinner.

Bye Bye New York Pizza (1)

kseise (1012927) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442652)

Luckily, New York's economy isn't largely dependent on places like pizzerias.

* 2 tablespoons sugar

* 1 tablespoon kosher salt*

* 1 tablespoon pure olive oil

* 3/4 cup warm water

* 2 cups bread flour (for bread machines)

* 1 teaspoon instant yeast

* 2 teaspoons olive oil

* Olive oil, for the pizza crust

* Flour, for dusting the pizza peel

Better food labeling would be a better law (-1, Offtopic)

presidenteloco (659168) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442672)

All food products sold in grocery stores should have a simple
red, yellow, or green icon prominent on their packaging.

- Red would be high simple carbs or high salt or has transfats.

-Yellow would be "iffy foods" which have moderate simple-carb levels,
fat levels, and low salt.

-Green would basically be veggies or very high-fibre carbs or
plant protein etc.

Or the most complex you could go would be separate
colors for heart health (lots of salt or fat = bad = red)
and metabolic health (lots of simple carbs bad = red)

So a red heart icon beside a yellow circle would indicate something
really bad for your heart if you keep eating them, but so-so for
developing diabetes or obesity.

This would raise awareness, and if you shopped and bought lots
of "Green" and some yellows, and maybe one "red" for the week,
you'd be a healthy human, diet-wise at least.

Re:Better food labeling would be a better law (1)

hondo77 (324058) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442860)

What problem are you trying to solve? Have you read food labels lately? What information is missing that would help you in your quest for healthy food?

Salary (4, Insightful)

J'raxis (248192) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442688)

Who pays this idiot's salary? (And does he know where the word comes from [wikipedia.org] ?)

Quick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31442718)

Someone tag this 'demolitionman'

Salt really isn't all that bad... (5, Interesting)

Fished (574624) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442722)

"Too much salt" is one of those dietary memes that just won't seem to die. However, the reality is that (a) only a fraction of individuals (even individuals with high blood pressure) seem to be salt sensitive and (b) there are much more effective ways of reducing high blood pressure than reducing salt consumption. I was on blood pressure medication, a low salt diet, etc. prior to reducing my carbohydrate intake dramatically last summer, and all it got me was drug side effects and blood pressure that was just barely normal (average 136/88). Since I've stopped eating most concentrated carbohydrates, my blood pressure has reduced dramatically (I don't bother to monitor any more, but at my last doctor's appointment it was 122/72). On top of that, my blood sugars have improved dramatically (from average BG of 138 to average BG of 91) and my lipid profile has improved dramatically (total cholestorol 233 then vs. 135 at last doctor's appt., triglycerides 700+ vs. 85 at last doctor's appointment.) All this even as I lost almost 100 lbs.

What was the change? I *stopped* eating sugar and other refined carbohydrates, and I *started* eating salt again. Oh yeah, and I *love* fat and protein, because they make me feel full.

The bottom line is that I have no confidence in the ability of the "main stream" medical community to define a single nutritional standard that will work for everyone. And I have even less confidence in the ability of bureaucrats and legislators to correctly parse through the research to find the truth. So leave my food alone. If you really feel like you've got to do something, please start requiring restaurants to label their foods (on the menu) so that it's easier for diabetics like me to find menu items that aren't loaded with sugars that will make our blood sugars spike. Or if you really want to interfere, require restaurants to offer low-fat, low-carb, and low-salt entrees. But don't impose your notion of good nutrition on me, because I tried to do it your way and it damn near killed me.

Finally (5, Funny)

halfEvilTech (1171369) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442734)

Thank god for this bill.

When I was a yound boy I started doing salt. I figured yea its just salt right? Afterwards I moved on to cracked pepper and eventually later in life started experimenting with parsley, basil and oregeno. Before I knew it I was hooked on Thyme and garlic and I lost everything. My wife, my job, my kids, all gone. Even the dog ran away. No you will find me lurking on the school grounds giving away free herbs, knowing that once hooked they will never be the same. So please think of the children and avoid my culinary fate.

Let him try it (1)

sjames (1099) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442762)

I say he be placed on a diet entirely free of salt. His inevitable decline into insanity followed by death can be an example to others.

How much money is he going to waste on what has to be the year's dumbest legislation? Is it too much to ask that a legislator at least do SOME basic research before pulling a bill ouit of his ass?

I sincerely hope his opponant in the next election paints him as Assemblyman slug.

I cant wait until (1)

meow27 (1526173) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442772)

-they ban sugar in jam
- they ban sugar in all foods that need to be sweet by nature.(like jam)
- ban sugar in sodas
- ban flavoring in foods
- ban iodine in salt (its IS bad in high dosages!)
- ban certain plants that might have a little too much fatty acids
- ban eggs
- ban milk

the list goes on. but everybody knows this is totally absurd. this is not like smoking where the user is damaging the people around him. people come to restaurants in expectation of these ingredients. if they dont want salt, they should tell the chef or waiter that they want no salt.

worst of all, this assemblyman wrote the bill BEFORE even researching the effects of salt.

They should involve the NRA (5, Funny)

asupynuk (181772) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442822)

Because - wait for it - the next thing you know, they are going to try and ban a salt weapon too.

Less Govt. Intervention, not more. (5, Insightful)

realsilly (186931) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442830)

I was having a similar discussion with my husband the other day when he was discussing how he wants some government regulation on those types of products that claim to provide male enhancement or are diet supplement pills that supposedly burn fat just because someone took the pill. He feels that people should be able to trust what companies advertise.

I pointed out to him, that right now our leaders feel any regulation should always go to the extreme. This is a prime example of going to the extreme. This is what this representative is proposing, the extreme.

Without some salt in foods, food will not stay preserved as long, and many other bad things will take place. This has the potential for increasing the cost of meals at restaurants because food will not last as long, which then means more deliveries or purchases will need to be made for a restaurant to keep up with the shortened lifetime of the food supply used to prepare the meals. This increases our carbon footprint for all of these service industries to meet the new regulation. And if this is only done in one area of the country or one state, now fast food places have to make separate batches of food for the consumers and if one batch is mistakenly sent to a No-Salt location, what are the ramifications then? Would people sue the restaurant because, OMG, I just ate salt...? Possibly, maybe even likely.

I completely agree, less salt is better, but an outright ban? Ridiculous! Regulations are in place by the FDA, correct? If companies are not following the regulations in place already go after them. Enforce existing rules and regulations first, and staff up to meet the needs of enforcement. If after regulation it is found that changes need to be made, tweak the regulations.

We need less govt. intervention. Govt. leave my food alone.

Oritz is apparently an idiot... (1)

Jahava (946858) | more than 4 years ago | (#31442862)

Ortiz admits that prior to introducing the bill he did not research salt's role in food chemistry, its effect on flavor or his bill's ramifications for the restaurant industry. He tells me he was prompted to introduce the bill because his father used salt excessively for many years, developed high blood pressure and had a heart attack.

Emphasis mine. According to this statement, Oritz says that he did not consider that banning salt in restaurants would affect the flavor of the foods served in those restaurants. It isn't possible for this to be true. He's lying through his teeth.

“I think salt should be banned in restaurants. I ask if a dish has salt in it, and if I does, I get something else that doesn’t have salt,” Ortiz tells me, before going on to say that he has eaten, and expects he will continue to eat, among other things, ham, cheese and bread in restaurants, all of which contain salt.

So what he's saying is that he has found a way to satisfy his desire not to have salt in foods that works within the current set of rights and regulations. He doesn't want salt, and he doesn't get salt.

Perfect! It looks like he has found a workable solution to his personal conviction that salt is bad. I would expect other grown adults to be fully capable of arriving at their own opinions of the substance, and, if similar, take similar steps. Welcome to America ... where you can make your own lifestyle work for you without legislating that everyone else must adopt it.

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