Beta
×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

CCTV In School Toilets

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the peek-a-boo dept.

Education 32

An anonymous reader writes "Students at Grace Academy in Chelmsley Wood, UK, have returned from half-term break to find staff had installed cameras in bathrooms without notifying them or their parents. Some parents are furious at what they say is a 'total invasion of privacy' and claim some pupils are so anxious about being watched they are refusing to use the facilities."

Sorry! There are no comments related to the filter you selected.

pics? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31453702)

Pics or it didn't happen.

Re:pics? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31462956)

As soon as this story broke I started sending my resume to British high schools. I'll post the pics on Flickr as soon as I get a job monitoring the toilet camera's.

I so far haven't found any advertisements for this particular position yet, though monitoring bathroom facilities is highly labor-intensive, I'm sure there are bound to be plenty of employment opportunities.

I can imagine the job ads would look something like this:

Looking for highly attentive individuals with good eyesight to monitor cameras placed in the toilet facilities in the local high school. Good writing skills are required because hourly logs of observed activity must be maintained. Job also requires a good memory so that names can easily be matched with faces for identification purposes. The ability and willingness to escalate observances of children inappropriately touching themselves during (after, before, or in the absence of) defecation is mandatory. All anti-social activities observed in the bathroom must be noted and placed in the students permanent record.

I'll keep on applying until I get this job. Persistence is a virtue. Wish me luck!

Re:pics? (1)

cheezegeezer (1765936) | more than 4 years ago | (#31470726)

Well knowing what the little darlings(toe rags) are like in that area i live not too many miles away and had to visit the area many times when working then i am surprised they aint got them forming a line and signing in and out with an inspection between pupils we are talking one of the biggest areas for out and out thuggery after all

Just when you thought you were at the bottom... (1)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 4 years ago | (#31453706)

... of the slippery slope, somebody excavates another hundred feet and oils it up. 'Oh but they'll never go that far!' Uh-huh. How long before somebody sells this footage for a tidy sum to a fetish website?

Re:Just when you thought you were at the bottom... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31454364)

My guess is less than an hour after the cameras are turned on.

Re:Just when you thought you were at the bottom... (1)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 4 years ago | (#31454682)

Or they start putting cameras in each stall because "kids could be doing drugs in the stalls". The most amusing part is that when the UK regularly does shit like this to take away their citizens rights, they then criticize when the US does something 1/10 as bad.

Re:Just when you thought you were at the bottom... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31469046)

In their defense, I'm a high school student and I snort a lotta coke in the stalls at my school. Not an _entirely_ invalid justification. Of course, it's still outrageous and completely inappropriate.

Re:Just when you thought you were at the bottom... (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 4 years ago | (#31475100)

And when did "the UK" (whatever you mean by that) criticise the US - and presumably you mean only the US, and not the UK as well - for doing something "1/10 as bad" as spying on children taking a leak?

Your assertion, your burden of proof.

Re:Just when you thought you were at the bottom... (1)

Nutria (679911) | more than 4 years ago | (#31478920)

Google The Independent and The Guardian for any variation of

  • human rights organizations,
  • criticize,
  • Bush,
  • US,
  • American,
  • Britain, and
  • Europe.

Re:Just when you thought you were at the bottom... (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 4 years ago | (#31479772)

How about you find the evidence that backs up your assertion, poppet?

Re:Just when you thought you were at the bottom... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31485618)

He told you how to get it. Do you need to be spoon fed, poppet?

Re:Just when you thought you were at the bottom... (1)

TheThiefMaster (992038) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481136)

Strangely enough, I've never seen the UK do anything this bad.

Re:Just when you thought you were at the bottom... (1)

TheThiefMaster (992038) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481210)

Except in the media, obviously.

Re:Just when you thought you were at the bottom... (1)

Urkki (668283) | more than 4 years ago | (#31465548)

Bottom of the slippery slope? Funny :-).

Besides, the bottom part of the slope isn't even slippery... It's covered with sharp stones and poison ivy, it's just steep enough and there's already enough momentum, that those won't provide much of a slowdown, they just hurt more.

Re:Just when you thought you were at the bottom... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31472910)

Uh-huh. How long before somebody sells this footage for a tidy sum to a fetish website?

Coming soon (and often)
Two Girls, One Stall!

Re:Just when you thought you were at the bottom... (1)

JustOK (667959) | more than 4 years ago | (#31479378)

it's been done. no xkcd link needed.

Easily dealt with (3, Interesting)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#31454708)

1. Get naked in front of the camera under pretense of changing ones clothes.
2. Have a lawyer supoena the tapes for that time as part of an invasion of privacy lawsuit.
3. Have any school employee associated with this scheme arrested for possession child pornography.
Really, what kind of images did they think they were going to get with this system?

Re:Easily dealt with (1)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 4 years ago | (#31471736)

well, they're probably not set to view the stalls in particular, and the school likely thought they'd catch kids smoking or whatever in the "common" part of the bathroom. not that its an excuse.

Re:Easily dealt with (1)

Nutria (679911) | more than 4 years ago | (#31478954)

Irrelevant. Both boys and girls occasionally (fully or partially) strip in the open area near the sinks.

The most common innocent reason is stained (food, ink, dirt, blood, etc) clothing, and the common "rebellious" reason is to wear what the parents don't approve of.

Re:Easily dealt with (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#31482942)

Would it even work like that in the UK?

Truly disturbing (1)

sjames (1099) | more than 4 years ago | (#31455704)

It's hard to imagine a responsable adult that would think that's a good idea, even without a pedophile scare in progress.

I suppose next they'll just save some class time and install a couple toilets in the back of the classrooms.

Re:Truly disturbing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31459106)

I'm betting a pedophile came up with and another one approved this idea.

Easy remedy (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31461548)

Just start using the hallways instead. They'll get rid of those cameras real quick.

Hmmm.... now where are these cameras? (1)

OrwellianLurker (1739950) | more than 4 years ago | (#31462274)

Time for some kids to mask up and vandalize these cameras... Their parents and other adults should be following the legal routes to remove the cameras, but if those are proven unsuccessful these cameras are probably easy enough to disable.

They will get used to it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31462828)

...some pupils are so anxious about being watched they are refusing to use the facilities.

They will get used to the cameras in their toilets, just like they got used to the cameras outside. This is only news until it gets old. Move right along...

I See London, I See France (1)

BraksDad (963908) | more than 4 years ago | (#31464198)

Oops, now I see their sewewrs. I C U in the Loo.

Supervision (2, Interesting)

matria (157464) | more than 4 years ago | (#31464430)

When I was in grade school, I went to a small four-room schoolhouse with two bathrooms at the end of the hall. The seven adults at the school also used the same bathrooms. All was quiet. Then they added an extension, with a teacher's lounge and bathroom. Immediately there were serious problems with smoking, drugs and sexual harassment and even a couple of cases of rape in those same two bathrooms at the end of the hall. After I caught two girls and a boy spying on me in the stall (the girls started giggling when the boy looked), I ended up with a severe kidney infection from refusing to use the bathroom at school.

Re:Supervision (1)

DarkKnightRadick (268025) | more than 4 years ago | (#31465420)

Yes, but you cannot copy the video in your head onto a computer and sell it online. Pure and simple these cameras are an invasion of privacy

In the grade school(s) I went to (no one could or wanted to deal with me and ADHD or the fact I was picked on mercilessly), the most anyone had to worry about in the bathroom was someone stinking it up (and I went to some extremely rough schools).

Re:Supervision (1)

matria (157464) | more than 4 years ago | (#31465884)

What I was suggesting was that maybe separating the adults from the children the way it is done is not a good idea. With teachers eating in the same lunchroom and using the same bathrooms, there would be a much different atmosphere. As it is, the only teachers the kids interact with outside of the classroom are those assigned to "monitor", and all they can think about is when their assignment of trying to keep the little monsters from killing each other is over and they can go back to their friends, coffee and cigarettes in the teacher's lounge. Teachers are no longer friends and role models; they have become little more than school policemen with no real authority.

Re:Supervision (1)

DarkKnightRadick (268025) | more than 4 years ago | (#31467044)

While I agree that the authority of teachers have been stripped away, I'm not sure that such supervision as you suggest will work, especially with the sort of teachers I've had (I was picked on in class with the teachers blessing at one school).

No, in this case (and in the scenario you presented which I take to be true on your word alone) I think better parenting is in order here. In the end, bullies either learn it from their parents, are not disciplined by their parents, or (aside from learning it from them) are encouraged to be such by their parents.

Better kids begin at home.

Should teachers be allowed (or forced) to better supervise the children? Perhaps, but that's like putting band-aids on the wounds of a leper. It works for a short time only. Sure, you can keep reapplying it, but eventually you're going to have to cure the disease or cut out the source of infection.

Re:Supervision (0, Flamebait)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 4 years ago | (#31471708)

I ended up with a severe kidney infection from refusing to use the bathroom at school.

Liar.

Re:Supervision (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#31482990)

Having teachers use the same bathrooms as the students?

Oh hell no, can you even begin to imagine the sexual harassment lawsuits it would invite? Teachers can’t even give hugs or let students sit on their lap. Having them in the same bathroom where the kids are taking their clothes off? You’re insane.

You’re not insane. You’re just from a different era. Times have changed.

Check for New Comments
Slashdot Login

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?