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Nose Scanners — the New Face of Biometrics?

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the check-out-that-schnoz dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Forget fingerprints and ID cards, this photo story shows how the latest thing in biometrics is nose scanning! Bath university researchers have claimed that the nose will soon be able to be used as a way of identifying a person. Apparently the 'PhotoFace system captures a 3D image of a person's face by taking several photos lit from different angles to throw shadows on the face and then building a model of facial features. The software determined that there are six main nose shapes: Roman, Greek, Nubian, Hawk, Snub and Turn-up.' Some cool pictures make this worth a click — but what happens if a person breaks their nose?!"

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Before you know it (4, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481056)

Biometrics are going to use your DNA for verification, which is the only fool-proof system. I mean, come on, how would you fake someone else's DNA? ::cough::GATTACA::cough::

Re:Before you know it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31481218)

Twins.

Exactly the same DNA, different person.

Re:Before you know it (1)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481246)

Twins.

Exactly the same DNA, different person.

The goatee.

Re:Before you know it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31481408)

Solution: In any set of humans born with the same DNA, kill all but one of them.

Re:Before you know it (1)

DJRumpy (1345787) | more than 4 years ago | (#31484756)

Well with this system, you don't need to go that far. Just break your nose, and you're a whole 'new you'.

I'm sorry, but this idea is about as useful as a box of hair...

Re:Before you know it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31481690)

A lot of twins will beg to differ with you. I guess you mean identical twins and not fraternal twins?

Re:Before you know it (1)

Inconexo (1401585) | more than 4 years ago | (#31482922)

I think the answer comes with the question.

One positive aspect... (was:Re:Before you know..) (4, Funny)

beh (4759) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481406)

On the positive side, if anyone beats you up and breaks your nose, they can now be sued for aiding and abetting terrorism by making the 'nose database' useless...

Worse... (1)

bylo (1211278) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481836)

...cut off your nose to spite your face.

Re:One positive aspect... (was:Re:Before you know. (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#31482254)

Don't forget anyone who feeds you too many donuts..

Re:One positive aspect... (was:Re:Before you know. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31482336)

but what happens if a person breaks their nose?!

It would be a denial of service attack.

Running afoul of felony battery laws while also breaking DMCA protections!

Re:One positive aspect... (was:Re:Before you know. (1)

Syberz (1170343) | more than 4 years ago | (#31483386)

How useless is this, at any given point there has to be about 50-100 people in Beverly Hills that have the same nose.

Re:One positive aspect... (was:Re:Before you know. (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#31484462)

What do they do on the days where it's somebody else's turn?

Re:Before you know it (2, Informative)

Nabbler (1683858) | more than 4 years ago | (#31482862)

They don't actually map the entire DNA of every person, even the british cops, they use some main markers, and those do actually sometimes double up, plus you can fake or spoil DNA very easily by using someone else's hair or spit or some such.

But I fear the worse too for the future.

Re:Before you know it (1)

Nabbler (1683858) | more than 4 years ago | (#31482932)

Oh and also they use things like the face and nose because then CCTV can scan and recognize on-the-run without asking permission or stopping people and from a distance. One of the first to use CCTV (security cams) facial recognition in europe was McDonald BTW, to alert them of unwanted troublemakers that tried to return.

I am worried... (1)

ctrl-alt-canc (977108) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481060)

will they scan also the inside of the nose ?!? It would be very awful to analyze...

Re:I am worried... (2, Funny)

idontgno (624372) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481140)

Actually, it's snot as bad as that.

Sorry, it had to be said.

Re:I am worried... (1)

ChipMonk (711367) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481174)

But you two both blew it, and now this thread is totally boogered up.

Nice going, guys.

Re:I am worried... (1)

ulski (1173329) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481234)

I heard that on Omicron Persei 8 they will be "scannning" your lower human horn

Re:I am worried... (1)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481276)

The Inside? Really?

Damn, I won't get one of those at home. If I snort too much, I can't get back in! Talk about an effective anti-drug campaign.

Re:I am worried... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31482558)

this is not to be, erm, sniffed at

Biometrics waste of time. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31481086)

Seriously. Wow. What a waste of energy and resources. It's called a nose mold, costs like ten cents. Security theater at it's finest.

Re:Biometrics waste of time. (1)

ChipMonk (711367) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481190)

It might work for some, but it could never work for others. Can you see Jimmy Durante with a prosthetic turn-up nose?

Re:Biometrics waste of time. (3, Interesting)

Kiaser Zohsay (20134) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481530)

Tried to find a link, but its apparently just too obscure, so I'll go from memory. Carl Reiner was presented some sort of lifetime achievement award by Mel Brooks, who played it as if Reiner had been a total fake all those years, and this was the last straw. The camera cut to shots of protesters with signs reading "Reiner isn't funny", and then Mel accuses Reiner of forcing him to wear a fake Jewish nose. Brooks then proceeds to remove his fake rubber nose, revealing a decidedly less ethnic one underneath, pointing at it and shouting "I have a gentile nose!".

Of course the gentile nose was a fake one on top of his actual nose. But if Mel Brooks can rock not one but two fake noses long enough to present an award, then airport security should be a piece of matzo.

Re:Biometrics waste of time. (1)

mooingyak (720677) | more than 4 years ago | (#31482818)

From http://www.myjewishlearning.com/culture/2/Film/American_and_European/Hollywood_and_Judaism/Mel_Brooks.shtml [slashdot.org]

found a bunch of links using the terms 'carl reiner mel brooks false nose'

Flash forward to the April 1991 American Comedy Awards, a show honoring Carl Reiner with its Lifetime Achievement Award. Steve Martin introduces Brooks as Reiner's "illegitimate son" and asks for a few words about his longtime friend and collaborator. Addressing the star-studded audience as "Ladies and Jews," Brooks's voice grows steadily more strident as he indignantly castigates Reiner first for not being funny and second for forcing him to assume a false identity: For 25 years he pretended that he was a Jew when he was really a gentile from Waco, Texas. (The real Waco Kid?) Finally, Brooks rips off his "false" nose, begins yelling in a Texas drawl, and vows never to utter "any more of that Jew talk."

A few moments later, a convulsed Reiner thanks Brooks for channeling into humor his deep-seated anger over having to pay homage to someone less talented. Brooks builds all his films on his indignation, attacking serious topics such as bigotry, intolerance, and greed through comedy

Re:Biometrics waste of time. (1)

Kiaser Zohsay (20134) | more than 4 years ago | (#31484668)

That is obscure, even more than I thought. Wikipedia has a very incomplete list [wikipedia.org] of ceremonies and winners. And if Wikipedia doesn't have it, you know it's obscure.

Re:Biometrics waste of time. (1)

pipingguy (566974) | more than 4 years ago | (#31484824)

Steve Martin was born in Waco, Texas.

Re:Biometrics waste of time. (2, Insightful)

skine (1524819) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481354)

I would assume that part would be taken care of in thermal imaging.

Re:Biometrics waste of time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31481438)

What you can't heat up a nose mold? And you think thermal imaging introduces MORE reliability to a system with massive variables in it?

Worst possible choice (4, Insightful)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481092)

This is really a bad idea. The nose is actually one of the few parts of the body that grows (and changes) your entire life. Never mind swelling from colds, etc.

Re:Worst possible choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31481126)

Not to mention is the most often changed through plastic surgery.

Re:Worst possible choice (1)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481144)

The nose is actually one of the few parts of the body that grows (and changes) your entire life.

Your identification card is updated on a fairly regular basis already.

Re:Worst possible choice (3, Funny)

SerpentMage (13390) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481198)

Two words....

Michael Jackson

nuff said...

Re:Worst possible choice (2, Funny)

1s44c (552956) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481464)

Two words....

Michael Jackson

nuff said...

Actually his nose is quite stable now. It's likely to remain in its current state long after the rest of his body has decayed to nothing.

Maybe in some future time someone or something will dig up his remains and wonder what all the extra parts were for.

Re:Worst possible choice (2, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#31482908)

Can you imagine some archelogist digging him up in a few millenia and wondering what kind of shaman he must be? I mean, religious mutilation, various artificial parts inserted in the body...

Must've been a really weird cult of human sacrifice and deification of silicon parts. Some successor of Däniken would certainly claim it's clearly a sign that silicon based aliens were worshipped here by us trying to convert one of us into one of them...

Re:Worst possible choice (2, Funny)

Nick Number (447026) | more than 4 years ago | (#31483956)

Actually his nose is quite stable now. It's likely to remain in its current state long after the rest of his body has decayed to nothing.

Maybe in some future time someone or something will dig up his remains and wonder what all the extra parts were for.

Or, in a zany twist, they might mistake the surviving fragments of a Woody Allen movie as a documentary and elect Mr. Jackson's remains as The Leader.

Re:Worst possible choice (0, Troll)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#31484586)

Or, in a zany twist, they might mistake the surviving fragments of a Woody Allen movie as a documentary and elect Mr. Jackson's remains as The Leader.

Stranger things have happened. Remember when that Jewish anti-Roman revolutionary dude faked his own execution - boy did that get out of hand!

Re:Worst possible choice (2, Insightful)

Angst Badger (8636) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481450)

This is really a bad idea.

Welcome to the always exciting and perpetually almost ready for prime-time world of biometrics.

Re:Worst possible choice (2, Funny)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481544)

At least people will be able to tell how honest you've been since your last ID card. If the shape of your nose has changed too much, you've been telling lies.

Re:We need to scan everything (1)

GargamelSpaceman (992546) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481718)

Fingerprints can be faked, it is well known with scotch tape and talc powder, noses change over time, and are only useful to weight other factors. Thats why we also scan your tongue, your eyes, and of course your butt. ( Just drop your pants and sit on the butt scanner - no, it's not a photocopier. )
- With apologies to Monsters vs Aliens

Re:Worst possible choice (1)

ISoldat53 (977164) | more than 4 years ago | (#31482812)

The other part that keeps growing is the ear and they have been taking ear prints for a long time now. Usually they are taken from suspects after forensics has found an impression on something like a door or window.

This is perfect... (1)

Rivalz (1431453) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481098)

Imagine Hollywood movie studios requiring this. Or California's gov.

Roman, Greek, Nubian, Hawk, Snub and Turn-up (3, Funny)

srussia (884021) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481100)

Add a CowboyNeal option and you've got the next Slashdot poll.

Article? What article? (4, Informative)

ekgringo (693136) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481104)

For the first time ever, scientists at the Slashdot institute have actually managed to produce an article summary that is longer than the article linked, as well as providing new information not available in the article itself! How is this possible?

Re:Article? What article? (3, Insightful)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481178)

This is actually a good sign. Linking to single stories is fine, but aggregating stories and providing a complete picture in the summary is better than simply picking the juiciest quotes and pretending like it's any sort of value add.

Re:Article? What article? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31481252)

For the first time ever

You must be new here.

Re:Article? What article? (1)

ekgringo (693136) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481308)

Not only that, but I actually read the article, or rather in this example, the caption.

Re:Article? What article? (1)

earthman (12244) | more than 4 years ago | (#31482182)

It's possible because you only read the first of four pages of the article. The four different photos each have a different text beneath them.

Re:Article? What article? (1)

nacturation (646836) | more than 4 years ago | (#31482856)

Shame on me for having to double-check... I should have known it's definitely not a kdawson post.

Next exciting biometrics tech: a-hole scanners (1)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481120)

Another stupid idea. Next is the ear scanner, the hair scanner, the tooth scanner (all of the above is out in the public, for someone to make a replica of any part of your body that is out in the open, is just a matter of time). Then they'll move to more private areas I guess and then the internal organs, which will of-course go through a phase of vaginal and anal scanners.

This is dumb. Of-course Michael Jackson could use this better than others, he changed his nose shape more often than other people change their hair color and his nose was not out in the public.

I think they should analyze stool samples... (2, Funny)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481414)

It would be just as secure and applying for an ID card would be a real hoot.

Rule 34 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31482894)

Then they'll move to more private areas I guess and then the internal organs, which will of-course go through a phase of vaginal and anal scanners.

Somewhere in Japan, some mangaka is now making hentai based on this.

*VAGINAL SCAN UNSUCCESSFUL - DOUBLE-CHECK REQUIRED - PLEASE POSITION YOURSELF FOR ADDITIONAL AUTHENTICATION MS. HAJIMOTO*

"Uh...um...alright...OOOOH GOD..."

DNA (Douglas N Adams, that is) would have loved it (2, Interesting)

turthalion (891782) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481216)

This would finally have enabled Douglas Adams to use the awesome power of his nose for the forces of good.

He had a famously large hooter.

See this link [tdv.com] for Douglas's own views on his nose.

Re:DNA (Douglas N Adams, that is) would have loved (1)

Ozymandias_KoK (48811) | more than 4 years ago | (#31482616)

You know that a hooter is actually something else, right?

Re:DNA (Douglas N Adams, that is) would have loved (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31482836)

Fat failure.

Re:DNA (Douglas N Adams, that is) would have loved (1)

OolimPhon (1120895) | more than 4 years ago | (#31484178)

Not in the UK.

The second most common cosmetic surgery? (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481262)

Rhinoplasty makes this pointless.

Well done folks... Well done.

Re:The second most common cosmetic surgery? (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 4 years ago | (#31483034)

Rhinoplasty makes this pointless.

Rhinoplasty makes this ideal, especially for those who may need to have their identity changed for their own safety, unlike fingerprints or gods forbid a retinal pattern.

It will however lead to more stringent federal regulation of the practice because you can never be allowed to hide your identity from the government.

What about my nose? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31481334)

I'm Tycho Brahe, you insensitive clod!

Re:What about my nose? (1)

mangu (126918) | more than 4 years ago | (#31482656)

I'm Tycho Brahe, you insensitive clod!

Then you are a terrorist trying to circumvent an important security measure.

You will tell us everything you know, even if we have to waterboard you until your bladder blows up.

Re:What about my nose? (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 4 years ago | (#31483676)

The 411 [wikipedia.org] for those who are curious...

While studying at University of Rostock in Germany, on 29 December 1566 Tycho lost part of his nose in a duel with fellow Danish nobleman Manderup Parsbjerg. Tycho had earlier quarrelled with Parsbjerg at a wedding dance at professor Lucas Bacmeister's house on the 10th, and again on the 27th. The duel two days later (in the dark) resulted in Tycho losing the bridge of his nose. From this event Tycho became interested in medicine and alchemy. For the rest of his life, he was said to have worn a realistic replacement made of silver and gold, using a paste to keep it attached. Some people, such as Fredric Ihren and Cecil Adams have suggested that the false nose also had copper. Ihren wrote that when Tycho's tomb was opened in 24 June 1901 green marks were found on his skull, suggesting copper. Cecil Adams also mentions a green colouring and that medical experts examined the remains. Some historians have speculated that he wore a number of different prosthetics for different occasions, noting that a copper nose would have been more comfortable and less heavy than a precious metal one.

Re:What about my nose? (1)

Nick Number (447026) | more than 4 years ago | (#31484042)

I'm Tycho Brahe, you insensitive clod!

Sorry sir, but we can't allow you on this flight. Our system identifies you as the evil Lee Marvin from Cat Ballou.

Heuristic scanning (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31481342)

Let's see... Nose completely free of boogers, but horrifically scarred by fingernails? Log in as root, must be the administrator.

High School just got worse (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31481348)

Life just keeps piling on for the poor suffering adolescent geek. Now when he develops a giant zit on his nose, he doesn't just have to worry about the derision of his peers, but his nose-scanning locker won't open.

Nose job? (1)

brian0918 (638904) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481362)

Will people now have to get clearance from the NSA/FBI/DOD in order to get a nose job?

Bath, famous for Rugby Football, to ID on NOSES? (3, Insightful)

evilandi (2800) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481422)

Lemme get this straight. Bath, a town internationally known for its Rugby Football [wikipedia.org] team, is proposing we use noses for biometric ID?

Rugby being the game for which the phrase "full contact sport" is not so much an understatement as a warning of imminent loss of life? Like American Football only without the pads and helmets? The game where a broken nose is probably the most common injury?

The Bath Rugby team probably have only one intact nose between all 15 players.

Re:Bath, famous for Rugby Football, to ID on NOSES (4, Funny)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481844)

The Bath Rugby team probably have only one intact nose between all 15 players.

And they stole it from an opposing prop forward.

Re:Bath, famous for Rugby Football, to ID on NOSES (1)

jimbolauski (882977) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481870)

In case they want to do ears, rugby players used to have them ripped off before they started taping them to their heads them, now cauliflower ear is a more common injury.

Better than the alternative. (2, Funny)

RealErmine (621439) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481446)

I'd rather see the words: "Please insert nose to verify identity." than "Processing colonic map." on the ATM of the future.

Re:Better than the alternative. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31483208)

I presume "processing colonic map" the first of two part authentication, with a dental record verification as the second step. It is an ATM, after all.

Odd (2, Insightful)

Alarindris (1253418) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481482)

Why don't they just scan the whole face?

As if the nose were more unique than the rest of the face plus the nose.

You Know What They Say... (2, Funny)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481608)

A nose by any other name would still smell

What about the genitals? (2, Funny)

drunken_boxer777 (985820) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481666)

Come on, TSA!

You've already got the millimeter body scanners rolling out across the US and rest of the world. Kick it up a notch! Go straight for the biometric genital scanning!

Pfft, privacy. You don't need privacy. You need safety. Now drop your drawers!

Re:What about the genitals? (1)

jimbolauski (882977) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481882)

Millimeter waves might not be small enough for some

Re:What about the genitals? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31482328)

Oh great, I can see the new spam now. "GET UR MANHOOD BIOMETRICLY SCANNED 100% RELIABILTY 10 INCHES OF SLONG SCAN POTENTIAL: V1A6RA

Re:What about the genitals? (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#31482430)

Please insert your penis into GILIAN's* mouth and wait while she extracts a DNA sample.

*Government Investigatory Laboratory In Android Nymphomaniac

Please, Oh, Please... (2, Funny)

hyades1 (1149581) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481722)

Don't let the security-crazed among us start thinking about what other stickout-y parts of the human anatomy they could photograph from six angles, digitize and put on our passports. All to keep the children and kittens safe, of course.

When will biometrics go the way of jetpacks? (2, Insightful)

SlappyBastard (961143) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481774)

Seriously. No one cares for biometrics. Aside from making for very sick dismemberment jokes in spy movies, biometrics haven't done much to go mainstream.

Re:When will biometrics go the way of jetpacks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31485220)

Passports for Cattle and Horses use noseprints for identification purposes

Plastic Surgery (1)

KiwiCanuck (1075767) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481910)

Seriously?! Don't they know that a nose job is the second most popular plastic surgery?

Mistaken Identity (1)

ari_j (90255) | more than 4 years ago | (#31481926)

Oh great. Now I'm going to have to deal with Cyrano de Bergerac being on the no-fly list.

Michael Jackson would've had problems (0, Redundant)

wisebabo (638845) | more than 4 years ago | (#31482062)

I mean look at how his nose "morphed" over the years! I think some of the shapes it went through weren't even human, not according to this software.

For some reason... (1)

commodore73 (967172) | more than 4 years ago | (#31482070)

This made me think of the great Woody Allen movie "Sleeper", but I couldn't think of a joke quickly (would the technology still recognize the leader after the steamroller incident?). I didn't read every comment, but I didn't notice any about plastic surgery (many about broken noses though). I wouldn't have summarized this story on slashdot, or my summary would have included the word "ridiculous" at least once.

Rul (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31482206)

I'm scared. The next step of biometrical scanner will be the colon deepness. May god have marcy of our souls.

Nose Scanners? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31482240)

I smell a rat!

Life mirrors art I guess... (2, Funny)

EriktheGreen (660160) | more than 4 years ago | (#31482412)

There was an old cartoon from back in the 80s when the first really painful desktop security measures were put in place... back when people still ran unpatched OSs and downloading updates (via dial-up modem) wasn't common.

I think it was "The Fifth Wave" series. Wish I could find it to post a link.

Basically, it was a manager turning to an employee looking stubborn at his computer terminal and saying "Now c'mon, Bob, you know nose scanning is our best defense against unauthorized computer use!" The nose scanners were cups on thick cords hanging from the ceiling like airline oxygen masks.

Biometrics is a cute marketing trick, but it's no substitute for good security process. That's why I like signing in to my laptop using the "fingerprint" of a small area on the underside of my scrotum. Any legitimate reason to doff one's pants at work is good. "I'm just logging in." or "Whoops, there goes my screensaver. Zzzzzzzip...."

Erik

Not to inturrupt your rant, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31482486)

What's a Nubian?

Re:Not to inturrupt your rant, but... (1)

treeves (963993) | more than 4 years ago | (#31484932)

A goat [wikimedia.org] . Why do you ask?

RTFA before posting the summary (2, Informative)

argent (18001) | more than 4 years ago | (#31482606)

Did the submitter read the story?

While able to process images more quickly than conventional biometric identification techniques such as whole face recognition, the system's recognition rates were comparatively low and researchers recommend it as an addition to existing biometrics rather than a replacement.

Location Location Location (1)

spaceman375 (780812) | more than 4 years ago | (#31482688)

We have many ways of identifying people; biometrics is only one category. Every means of identifying a person is hackable in some way. I would feel much safer if authentication were based on multiple sources. In particular, GPS tracking, bluetooth presence, facial recognition, each time you enter a password, all should be used to build a continuous track of your location, with confidence ratings as you move between various protocols. Credit card purchases, boarding an airplane, logging in at work; all should verify that your location data says that you are where they think you are, with a continuous trail leading to that location, before granting access.

Where's Matt Damon? (1)

chill (34294) | more than 4 years ago | (#31482778)

The nose plays.

Brain Scan (1)

Rolgar (556636) | more than 4 years ago | (#31482886)

Maybe we should patent the brain scan for ID since that will be the next idea?

I can move my nose... (1)

mi (197448) | more than 4 years ago | (#31483138)

Seriously — the very tip — kinda like a rabbit does. (It is a real "chick-magnet", BTW.)

When posing for an ID-picture, I always move it a little bit so that it looks a different on the picture from what is is in normal (relaxed) position. I don't think, the described method would identify me from those pictures...

You can train yourself to do it, BTW — an hour or two in front of the mirror and you'll "get it".

It doesn't matter (2, Insightful)

sjames (1099) | more than 4 years ago | (#31483504)

It doesn't really matter what the biometric is of, the whole idea has been shown to fail. It turns out that a key feature necessary for authentication is that a credential can be revoked and a new one issued whenever it has been compromised. That is just not practical for biometrics. If it can be measured, someone can capture that measurement and create a fake.

As shown on Mythbusters, the more expensive the fingerprint reader was, the easier it was to fake it out, but all of them failed one way or another.

If we start lining up and shooting marketing departments, we might one day be able to produce a biometric system that would only fall for very difficult surgical duplications (and so raise the bar quite high), but such systems would likely cost several orders of magnitude more than other equally secure methods that we already have available. Meanwhile, in those few cases where the access is important enough to resort to the surgical approach and someone does so, we're right back to the inability to issue a new ID.

The Terrorists can beat this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31483526)

by trimming their nose hair.

Broken nose? (1)

KitFox (712780) | more than 4 years ago | (#31483696)

Broken nose... Lose fingers to a saw... go blind...

It simply stands as a standard that there is no standard that is 100% effective or unbreakable or loss-proof. Things can only be "More Secure" or "Less Secure". Generally the more secure they are, the easier it is to lose them as well.

The only major difference between passwords and biometrics is that one is knowledge-based and one is physical. Neither are fully secure. There is the difference between how easy it is to potentially steal or duplicate somebody's biometric signature versus how easy it is to steal or duplicate a password of similar relative "strength" in any given situation. Compare the process of stealing an 8-digit numeric key code versus duplicating somebody's fingerprint in a way that the scanner will recognize for example.

But with the low recognition rate, and the recommendation to use this as an additional layer of security, itreally is just that, an addition layer. Just like IP access lists. The duplicated fingerprint will do you no good as the nose knows!

So yeah, looks like they reach in but failed to pick a true winner (sorry). But as an extra layer of entropy, the speed makes it potentially more useful than face recognition, and due to the multiple angles and shadows, it doesn't suffer from "Photo in front of the camera" problems.

Unfortunately this Technology (1)

tdp252 (519328) | more than 4 years ago | (#31483852)

Wouldn't work for the likes of Cher and Heidi Montag. Their plastic surgeries change their identity every few weeks !

what happens if a person breaks their nose (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 4 years ago | (#31484396)

> but what happens if a person breaks their nose?!"

You just need to phone DHS and reactivate your face.

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