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Gnome 2.30 Released

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the new-and-improved dept.

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Hypoon writes "The GNOME project is proud to release this new version of the GNOME desktop environment and developer platform. Among the hundreds of bug fixes and user-requested improvements, GNOME 2.30 has several highly visible changes: new features for advanced file management, better remote desktop experience, easier notes synchronization and a generally smoother user experience. Learn more about GNOME 2.30 through the detailed release notes and the press release."

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April Fools! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697400)

April Fools!

Re:April Fools! (1)

ravenspear (756059) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697410)

OMG PONIEEESS!!!!

Re:April Fools! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697580)

Yeah, great joke - Gnome, ADDING features? Give me a break!

Re:April Fools! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697724)

I'm guessing that no jokes today IS the joke.

Re:April Fools! (1)

Robert Bowles (2733) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697790)

Mod parent up funny, really. Someone is really taking those moderator points a little too seriously...

Re:April Fools! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697844)

Mod parent up funny, really. Someone is really taking those moderator points a little too seriously...

i've always felt like people take nigger jokes far too seriously, myself. really, lighten up people.

Re:April Fools! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697904)

How many niggers does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Only one, but he gets six college credits for it.

Re:April Fools! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697952)

How many morons does it take to make an ignorant, racist comment on Slashdot?

Only one, but he gets six credits from his racist conies.

Re:April Fools! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31698440)

What are conies? Sounds like a racial slur to me.

Re:April Fools! (0, Offtopic)

Artifakt (700173) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698722)

Conies are Rabbits, and six of them should properly be counted as three braces of conies and then eaten by Frodo, Sam, and Gollum.

Re:April Fools! (1, Interesting)

mrmeval (662166) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698636)

Thank you. Everything they go on and on about is stuff I rip out or chmod -x the executable or copy a bash script over the executable to get what I want.

Re:April Fools! (0, Offtopic)

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Re:April Fools! (3, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698706)

Heeeeeey Fucktard! Notice the title of the site? News for NERDS ring any bells? If you are gonna spam at least TARGET YOU AUDIENCE dipshit! You should be offering us dodgy RAM, fake CPUs, cheap PMPs, refurbed HDDs, off brand SSD, tec. How many fucking nerds you think are actually gonna buy Chanel handbag knockoffs moron?

Sorry folks, but if there is one thing I can't stand it is bad marketing. I mean really how hard is it to target the spam correctly? He should be over on Digg if he wants to push fricking handbags!

OMG PONIES! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697438)

Really not sure if 2.30 is a April Fools day prank or not now...

Re:OMG PONIES! (1)

Eric Smith (4379) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697816)

Even though I use Gnome, I really don't especially care whether 2.30 is an April Fool's Day prank or not.

Re:OMG PONIES! (2, Insightful)

PhilHibbs (4537) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698234)

"Og Maciel"? No way is that a real name. Definitely an AF.

Re:OMG PONIES! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31699166)

Reaction of a Gnome user:

"Canonical is an important contributor." Haha, they didn't wait until the second page to spill the beans!
"Get T-SHIRTS!" Well, I guess they went for realism.
"We have deprecated all our APIs" Hahaha, good one! It would suck if we had to port our customers code for their next Ubuntu update.
"Prepare for 3.0!" Ok, what?
"Gnome 3.0 screenshot" Don't tell me this is real. Please!
HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP!

Headscratch. (4, Funny)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697456)

I don't get it. Not even a peep about it being renamed to KNOME, or about KDE being renamed to GNU/DE.

I mean, what the hell, Slashdot! Serious news? On this, the holiest day of the Geek Calendar?

Seeing "support for Facebook chat, and new productivity features" in the same sentence was a pretty good start, but things just trailed off from there. I demand a punchline from this press release, or at least some enlightened puns about how to reduce the window manager's footprint!

Re:Headscratch. (4, Insightful)

nmb3000 (741169) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697888)

I mean, what the hell, Slashdot! Serious news? On this, the holiest day of the Geek Calendar?

Gah. I think the best thing Slashdot could do this April 1st is to just do nothing at all. In addition to being a joke in itself, they would also be recognizing that they simply can never surpass OMG PONIES. Never.

Using the Internet in general is just painful on the 1st. Everybody thinks they need to do a joke, whether they have a good idea or not, and most of the time it's just an old obvious "joke" that isn't funny anymore. People of the Internet: If you have a good idea, go for it. If not, don't bother.

That said, XKCD [xkcd.com] has a pretty good one this year. Hint: Try "make me a sandwich" :)

Re:Headscratch. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31698116)

I had been playing videogames till after midnight EST. I stopped and did a google search for some Zelda item. The name Kevin Bacon popped up in the forum comments. A few double takes later, I saw the pattern, thought about the date...

It caused me to warn geek friends on my google talk MOTD which now says

Wow. Just 1h53m into today --already April fooled at Newgrounds. ( ; _ ; )

Some bastard must have "wordfiltered" the words "I" and "my."

Re:Headscratch. (1)

hcpxvi (773888) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698290)

And then (of course) try
sudo make me a sandwich

Re:Headscratch. (2, Informative)

PhilHibbs (4537) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698334)

Damn, rm -rf * doesn't do anything.

Re:Headscratch. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31698754)

No, but try 'look'. And then use the 'go' command in the expected way. Awesome!

Re:Headscratch. (2, Informative)

IrquiM (471313) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698840)

Doh! You forgot sudo!

XKCD spoilers (1)

penguinchris (1020961) | more than 4 years ago | (#31699294)

If you want to spoil the fun, all the commands are spelled out clearly in the source code (the link to which I'm sure you can find).

Try "hello joshua" :)

Re:Headscratch. (1)

beanpoppa (1305757) | more than 4 years ago | (#31699328)

I like it. I think more web sites should go to a CLI implementation.

Re:Headscratch. (1)

Jurily (900488) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698120)

or at least some enlightened puns about how to reduce the window manager's footprint!

Here you go. [fluxbox.org]

OnceBittenTwiceShy (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697458)

Hah! Bring it on. You won't get me this year!

Don't fall for it. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697460)

Just say "GNO".

need some better visuals (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697484)

I love Gnome, but is looks so outdated these days...

Re:need some better visuals (5, Funny)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697518)

I love Gnome, but is looks so outdated these days...

All the cool UIs have buttons on the left. Someone should do that for Gnome.

Re:need some better visuals (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697850)

Buntu 10.04

Re:need some better visuals (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31698158)

Buntu 10.04

It's not the buttons on the left... it's the fact that you sir, made me realize this month's ENTIRE release it's an anagram for Buntu 04.01.

Just found a good reason to wait until 2012 Ubuntu end of the world edition. That should last me another few years into... oh shit.

Re:need some better visuals (1)

Stumbles (602007) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698626)

When that happens, call me. I'll be at Millieways having lunch.

Re:need some better visuals (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697742)

GTK+ simply can't compete with Cocoa, QT or even Winforms.

Re:need some better visuals (2, Insightful)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698246)

If modern = hideous shine effects (ala Windows....and Mac...and KDE) then give me Gnome any day. I want something I can manage to look at all day if I have to, not something that burns my eyes after half an hour. As for themes, I like Sonar these days - nice, well executed and not too bland.

Re:need some better visuals (1)

AresTheImpaler (570208) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698682)

If modern = hideous shine effects (ala Windows....and Mac

wait what? the mac does not have hideous shine effects. I just took a pic of some of the native apps (itunes, safari and the system preferences) and I see no shine effects. I guess the window buttons, but they are so small, that does it really count as being overly shiny?
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/7720/screenshot20100401at440.png [imageshack.us]
Said that, I do prefer gnome over kde.

Re:need some better visuals (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31698896)

Maybe he/she is talking about the shiny (and shitty) dock.

Windows Evince Printing Support? (0, Troll)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697496)

Evince on Microsoft Windows(R) now includes support for printing, PostScript and comics.

Now I know it's April 1st.

Can we please just shoot this turkey (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697498)

I don't put a lot of faith in DE developers that can't fix a simple "Show/Hide hidden and backup files" problem in their file-browser. It's only been how many years?

Seriously, I set it to show hidden/backup files and tar up a directory (after checking the files) and SENT MY BOSS BACKUP AND HIDDEN FILES THAT I DID NOT WANT TO. That could have been the end of my little world!

Gnome - what a cluster-f*ck, heheheh!

Re:Can we please just shoot this turkey (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697662)

Seems to be a lot of Linux/Gnome/KDE bashing on slashdot these days. Makes me think that the Microsoft Trolls have come out to play.

Re:Can we please just shoot this turkey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697928)

I use DWM but I still think that Gnome is way behind both OS X and Windows 7 in terms of aesthetics and usability. GTK+ is also really primitive compared to other modern UI toolkits.

Re:Can we please just shoot this turkey (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697874)

I don't put a lot of faith in DE developers that can't fix a simple "Show/Hide hidden and backup files" problem in their file-browser. It's only been how many years?

Seriously, I set it to show hidden/backup files and tar up a directory (after checking the files) and SENT MY BOSS BACKUP AND HIDDEN FILES THAT I DID NOT WANT TO. That could have been the end of my little world!

Gnome - what a cluster-f*ck, heheheh!

Note to self: don't store "WhyIHateMyBoss.txt" on company equipment.

Re:Can we please just shoot this turkey (1)

TedRiot (899157) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697970)

Luckily a boss that can open tar files doesn't exist.

Re:Can we please just shoot this turkey (2, Insightful)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698280)

Seriously, I set it to show hidden/backup files and tar up a directory (after checking the files) and SENT MY BOSS BACKUP AND HIDDEN FILES THAT I DID NOT WANT TO. That could have been the end of my little world!

That's your fault for thinking that a visual setting has anything to do with a filesystem operation, and for not checking what you send. A couple of years ago I got caught out the other way - File Roller was ignoring . folders, which was a PITA because I kinda needed them.

You know what they say... (3, Funny)

arielCo (995647) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697556)

" If you can't fix it - give it more features! "

Re:You know what they say... (5, Funny)

Korbeau (913903) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697684)

" If you can't fix it - give it more features! "

Did God say that after giving women boobs?

Re:You know what they say... (3, Funny)

AresTheImpaler (570208) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698196)

Did God say that after giving women boobs?
No, before

Re:You know what they say... (1)

IrquiM (471313) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698850)

No - boobs came after he decided he couldn't fix...

I love slashdot (1)

HyperQuantum (1032422) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698858)

These kinds of funny posts make reading /. absolutely worth it. Thanks!

The Benefits of Moving Backward (5, Interesting)

William Ager (1157031) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697598)

It's interesting to note that, in Nautilus, Browser-mode is now the default over Spatial-mode. Years ago, in the 2.0 days with whatever-that-company-was-that-made-Nautilus and the wonderful new HIG and whatnot, the switch to Spatial was heralded as a major improvement and modernization. Now, like many of those huge and bitterly disputed changes, the grand step forward is being reversed with only a slight mention.

And yet, despite the reversal of so many of those improvements, I do think it's making Gnome better; it's just taking a very long time for the idealists of days past to realize that their ideals didn't really work in the real world.

Re:The Benefits of Moving Backward (3, Interesting)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697644)

All those apparently counter-productive "improvements" implemented by Gnome and KDE these past few years worked out really well for me. They taught me not to rely on a one-size-fits-all-full-bloat DE and instead work with more minimalist tiling WMs and custom scripting the rest for myself. So much nicer, faster, cleaner, and more satisfying, plus I learned a lot. My desktop never looked better, and my productivity has never been higher. :)

Re:The Benefits of Moving Backward (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697736)

The only thing I want is slightly smarter window management. If a non-gnome application opens its icon is highlighted in the task bar as a new window. Clicking on the window minimizes the new window. What I want is a task bar option to never minimize.

Re:The Benefits of Moving Backward (1)

massysett (910130) | more than 4 years ago | (#31699032)

Same here. I had been a happy KDE user, but then they went to KDE 4. It lacked polish and crashed everywhere. This reminded me of my first experiences with KDE, which had finally been cleaned up with the later releases of the KDE 3.5 series. KDE 4 seemed a step backward. This caused me to look at other window managers. I found the tiling window managers. They are so much better to use--it's the first time I feel like an actual window manager (not desktop environment, but window manager) is actually a useful thing that makes me more productive. The window managers that come with the desktops just dump windows onto the screen willy nilly. I'd spend time moving them around. I used both xmonad and awesome a lot but have settled on xmonad. Neither is easy to configure but xmonad's documentation is better.

Similarly, the move to Amarok 2 caused me to look at other ways to play music. I never found Amarok to be all that stable--sometimes it would simply vanish from my desktop--and it had lots of annoying bugs. When Amarok 2 came out I started looking for other ways to play music, deal with portable music players, and get podcasts. Now I use hpodder to get the podcasts, gnupod for the iPod (though I switched to a Sandisk Sansa, so I don't need gnupod anymore), moosic to play the music, and just mplayer CLI and screen to play podcasts and radio streams. To browse my music I use tree. Each of these programs is practically bug-free, which is much less frustrating than dealing with a crashy GUI program.

The folks at KDE and Amarok do great work, but it seems to me it's easier to write a stable, well-documented program when it sticks to doing one, relatively small task.

Re:The Benefits of Moving Backward (1)

jrumney (197329) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697648)

Windows 7 also uses browser mode. It is just Gnome following the pack again.

Re:The Benefits of Moving Backward (1)

Homburg (213427) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697752)

Windows has never had a spatial file manager, hasn't it? That's one of the things that pisses me off every time I find myself using Windows.

Re:The Benefits of Moving Backward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697778)

Windows 95 used spatial mode by default, everyone hated it, and the default was changed in all subsequent versions.

Re:The Benefits of Moving Backward (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697824)

Windows 95 had a poor imitation of spatial mode, and OS X copied it, leaving a poor taste in everyone’s mouth. The only good spatial file managers are Mac OS Classic and Nautilus.

Re:The Benefits of Moving Backward (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697914)

Wrong - there's no such thing as a good spatial file manager, unless you're too retarded to figure out how to use a proper file manager like Windows Explorer.

Re:The Benefits of Moving Backward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697832)

You may be interested in the very first option in the "Folder Options" dialog. It is "Open each folder in the same window" (default) or "Open each folder in its own window". The option has been there for as long as I can remember.

Re:The Benefits of Moving Backward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31698520)

Windows 95, you noob.

Re:The Benefits of Moving Backward (2, Insightful)

the_womble (580291) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697870)

Gnome also dropped support for XSMP, breaking compatibility with almost any non Gnome app, to do it more like Windows (and a fatuous MS derived use case about closing laptop lids).

Then there is a centralised config database.

And people use Gnome because KDE is too much like Windows (i.e. the default theme has the panel at the bottom).

Re:The Benefits of Moving Backward (3, Interesting)

atheistmonk (1268392) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698052)

Personally I think KDE is the one that is actually making the real advances. I think I really noticed this when they reinvented the desktop where everything is a plasmoid, instead of the desktop simply being a dumping ground.

Re:The Benefits of Moving Backward (4, Informative)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698188)

"Gnome also dropped support for XSMP, breaking compatibility with almost any non Gnome app, to do it more like Windows (and a fatuous MS derived use case about closing laptop lids)."

No one dropped it, XSMP code was in terrible state and did more harm than good. There are new gnome session in works for GNOME 3.0 to fix this.

"Then there is a centralised config database."

And it is bad why? :) Not mentioning that it is NOT a binary nightmare which are loaded at startup and leaks memory like hell. It is pure text xml files, with very good descriptions what each feature means. Heck, you can grep them and support user with changing settings from command line! Still, even then apps aren't forced to use gconf/dconf, it is only when you want to be a part of official release.

"And people use Gnome because KDE is too much like Windows (i.e. the default theme has the panel at the bottom)."

How this remotely connects with what you said above? People use GNOME for very different reasons, and I think default position of panels are least thing which makes people to choose one or another.

Re:The Benefits of Moving Backward (1)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698268)

And people use Gnome because KDE is too much like Windows (i.e. the default theme has the panel at the bottom).

How this remotely connects with what you said above? People use GNOME for very different reasons, and I think default position of panels are least thing which makes people to choose one or another.

Not just that, but openSUSE just has a bar at the bottom by default and I personally much prefer it. All the professional usefulness and good apps of Gnome with themes you can use all day without getting eye burn, and only one bar. I've set my Fedora machine up the same as well.

That said, I do use Gnome Do a lot, so I don't tend to use the bar for anything more than a list of apps and my clock!

Re:The Benefits of Moving Backward (1)

pmontra (738736) | more than 4 years ago | (#31699408)

And people use Gnome because KDE is too much like Windows (i.e. the default theme has the panel at the bottom).

I removed the top bar of my gnome desktop because it's on the way of my apps there and moved everything into the bottom one. And yes, I don't use KDE because it's too much like Windows but I could switch if gnome 3.0 kills the way I like to use my computer as in the demoes I saw.

Re:The Benefits of Moving Backward (3, Interesting)

arose (644256) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697738)

I strongly preferred the spatial back in the day, because the browser mode was next to useless. The breadcrumbs convinced me to switch back, but it took a while for browser mode to actually become better, instead of just being familiar to Windows Explorer users.

I used to be a spacial junkie... (2, Insightful)

pizzach (1011925) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698070)

...but I still do not use browser mode, either. Instead, I am now just using the terminal 99% of the time. The spacial implementation in Gnome failed for me because it was way too clunky. For something that is supposed reflect placement of real objects in real life, you really need to be able to interact with them with both hands in order for it to be enjoyable. In other words, there needs to be many more keyboard/mouse/mouse-keyboard commands for mass window management. Sometimes, it just doesn't work piddling with every single window individually every single time.

  • Where is my option-click to close all the windows of an appliciation?
  • Where is my option click outside of the window to hide it?
  • Where is my ctrl-shift-w to close all windows of an application?
  • Where is my option-click for my taskbar window button to bring all windows of that application to the font?
  • Why can't I click this same window button to hide all the windows that just came to the front?
  • Where is my system level ctrl-~ to switch between windows of a single application?

Because of this, spacial in Gnome always felt lame in a lot of ways like how spacial in Windows 95 was lame. Spacial just doesn't work if you try to use it with an arm tied behind your back. Now granted, since moving to Gnome from Mac OS, I have fallen in love with modifier-drag combination for moving windows around. Shift drag is also pretty fancy. We just need more of those kinds of things.

Re:I used to be a spacial junkie... (1)

yoyhed (651244) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698602)

Where is my option-click to close all the windows of an appliciation? Where is my option click outside of the window to hide it? Where is my ctrl-shift-w to close all windows of an application? Where is my option-click for my taskbar window button to bring all windows of that application to the font? Why can't I click this same window button to hide all the windows that just came to the front? Where is my system level ctrl-~ to switch between windows of a single application?

In KDE?

Re:The Benefits of Moving Backward (1)

CODiNE (27417) | more than 4 years ago | (#31699308)

http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/13/175252 [slashdot.org]

They should have listed to Steve. Spatial interfaces turn the users into janitors. There's just no ideal way to pre-arrange all your folders so that there's no overlap, sure you can do it for a few if you're always working on the same, but eventually you need to use one of the other half million folders on your system and the windows end up blocking. Yaaaay, now time to play the tile game on your screen.

If your window manager doesn't allow spatial folders and you desperately want it for a particular batch of windows just make a virtual desktop screen to hold them and arrange them exactly how you like then switch to it when you need it. Best of both worlds.

Typing in paths (4, Insightful)

Dwedit (232252) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697664)

How can we make Gnome better? I know! Let's take away that useful button that lets you type in paths. And then yell at you for being stupid when you don't know that button had a Hotkey (Ctrl+L) that still works, even with the button missing.

Stay classy, Gnome devs.

Re:Typing in paths (3, Funny)

dargaud (518470) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698444)

Thanks, that single 'feature' was the reason I switched all my machines to KDE ! Ctrl-L you say ? Too Ctrl-Late.

Re:Typing in paths (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31698514)

Thanks, that single 'feature' was the reason I switched all my machines to KDE ! Ctrl-L you say ? Too Ctrl-Late.

Are you that flighty in all aspects of your life? Rather then spend a few seconds on Google seeing if there is an easy way to do what you want, you decide to make a major software change on all of your machines. Yikes. I hope you were just trying to make a bland joke.

Re:Typing in paths (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31698574)

I can't find a gconf-key you can tweak to put that button back either. Is there one?

Taking the button out by default is bloody stupid. (If they've removed it entirely and you can't put it back via gconf, that's fucking stupid.) The beauty of a button like that is that it sits on the side out of the way where most people can just ignore it, but a curious person can click on it and discover a feature they mind find to be very useful. No one's going to discover Ctrl-L on their own.

Re:Typing in paths (1)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698886)

I have never used that button and it has caused confusion of mine several times. I *always* used Ctrl+L. And giving how popular Firefox (or any mainstream web browser as application) is, I think most of users who care knows that Ctrl+L gives you possibility to change location.

Re:Typing in paths (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31699406)

Pfft point-and-clicking is so teeny-boppy :P

Sooo.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697666)

Us RHEL users will see this in 1-2 years. Whee.

It's more like maitanance release...and I like it (5, Insightful)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697672)

I'm GNOME regular since 2003 and all I can say is these 2.x series has been great ride. Yes, there where stuff which were broken, there where people who said that features are taken away, but still, I'm very productive in this desktop and trust me, I have worked with and supported every mainstream and not-so-mainstream desktop under the sun - it is one of the best. Apple gets it first, but GNOME guys cleverfully tries to integrate that stuff what matters. So kudos for all GNOME developers for these series and while I'm still a little bit cautinous about shell, I think it will turn out good in the end (it was quite usable when I tried it during Jaunty).

Beyond usual "small stuff" which is nice to have (like fully working Evince on Windows, giving you good alternative for Adobe Reader or FoxIt), I really like Vinagre improvements. In quite short time, it has become de facto VNC viewer for GNOME platform, and finally there are color bit settings for those with dialups or other slow links.

Yay! (1)

Korbeau (913903) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697678)

"advanced file management, better remote desktop experience, easier notes synchronization and a generally smoother user experience"

I requested those *specifically*!

Re:Yay! (1)

JohnBailey (1092697) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697820)

"advanced file management, better remote desktop experience, easier notes synchronization and a generally smoother user experience" I requested those *specifically*!

So Gnome2.30 was your idea..

Re:Yay! (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697842)

So you're saying Gnome 2.30 was your idea?

The features I'm still waiting for... (5, Interesting)

2Bits (167227) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697694)

1) A sync framework built-in, for syncing different mobile devices. Everyone has one or more mobile devices now, nothing works really well. My Windows Mobile phone, PDA, my iTouch, etc, are not working well. SynCE and Multi-sync are not up to task (yet). This might be a Linux issue, but it would great too if Gnome could provide a nice syncing framework, if no one at a lower level would want to pick it up. Anyway, I really don't care where that issue should be lied in, I just wish my mobile devices work nicely with my linux laptop. It's annoying having to manage my contact, calendar, task list etc in Windows inside a VirtualBox, in order to be able to sync.

2) Evince should take a look at PDF Xchange PDF viewer. I want to be able to add notes, highlight, etc, in my PDF ebooks. Installing PDF Xchange Viewer on Wine is an ugly solution (font and UI are way ugly), and it's too slow.

3) F-Spot is slow...

4) Anjuta, can we do emacs key binding yet? Haven't used it for a while though.

5) Network Connections should apply network settings after changes, not having to ask users to restart networking service or reboot. Ok, probably just an Ubuntu issue.

6) Gnome should wake up probably after a suspend. I have no such issue with other desktop or WM, just Gnome. I tolerated it so far, coz I don't do suspend that much, and prefer to hibernate. But it's still annoying when you need to do it.

7) iBus seems to have a bad habit of hanging from time to time, especially when you are typing too fast, and you have to switch between input methods very often. And start up is slow too.

I'll try the new version soon, hope to see some of my problems solved. Regardless, thanks a lot for the hard work, really appreciat it.

Re:The features I'm still waiting for... (0, Troll)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698112)

3) F-Spot is slow...

And what exactly did you expect from a program written in Mono? It has been pushed in due to political considerations, not because it's usable.

Re:The features I'm still waiting for... (2, Informative)

zlogic (892404) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698328)

Conduit [gnome.org] is a very promising sync framework. I've used it a year ago, sync over ssh failed, but the project is really nice, allowing to create complex sync rules with an easy to use GUI.

April Fool! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697706)

April Fool!

tried it 4 years ago (1, Flamebait)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697708)

I ran screaming for the hills. dependency HELL.

gnome seems to straddle this useless position of being less polished and feature packed then KDE, but slower and more comlpex then XFCE4.x I love XFCE btw it's a great wimdow manager.

Re:tried it 4 years ago (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31698306)

I ran screaming for the hills. dependency HELL.

you should try a little something we call APT.

gnome seems to straddle this useless position of being less polished and feature packed then KDE, but slower and more comlpex then XFCE4.x I love XFCE btw it's a great wimdow manager.

part of the point of gnome is that it's not bursting with so many ridiculous options that the next version will be out before you finish configuring your desktop. xfce is nice but it lacks some very nice functionality that gnome provides. i really dislike that in xfce you cant move applets to the positions you want without first adding a zillion spacers.

a few things have changed in the past four years so perhaps it's time to give it another try.

Re:tried it 4 years ago (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31698988)

Really, 4 years ago, then you're not able to comment on a recent version are you.

Dependency "hell" is what people scream when they dont have a better reason.

Nautilus bookmarks... (1)

Garble Snarky (715674) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697734)

Has the Nautilus "Places" ordering bug been fixed yet? I'm not a developer, but seriously, how hard can it be to allow the user to drag and drop items in the "Places" widget? The nearly identical bookmarks can be drag-and-dropped. I wouldn't even care, if the default ordering made ANY sense at all, but its not alphabetical, not chronological, its COMPLETELY random as far as I can tell. Why can't somebody fix this?

Re:Nautilus bookmarks... (1)

GigaplexNZ (1233886) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697976)

Why can't somebody fix this?

Did you submit a bug report? Perhaps they don't know about it.

Re:Nautilus bookmarks... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31698262)

Has the Nautilus "Places" ordering bug been fixed yet? I'm not a developer, but seriously, how hard can it be to allow the user to drag and drop items in the "Places" widget?

you're right, you arent a developer.

Re:Nautilus bookmarks... (3, Informative)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698642)

It depends, it's a dynamic area so additional devices are added and removed a lot, you'd have to have some way of defining where they went too, I don't think a simple drag and drop would work for that. I've never even thought about the ordering before, it seems sensible enough though (however it is slighlty different on the system Places menu and Nautilus sidebar). Home folder, desktop, filesystem, external drives, trash.

It looks really nice. (0, Redundant)

PottedMeat (1158195) | more than 4 years ago | (#31697910)

Imma try it.

Gnome vs. the gnome web site (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31697968)

If the new release of Gnome is as good as the web site, I'm not interested.

By the way did they fix that fucking file open/save dialog box yet?

But does it depend on Mono (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31698194)

If it does, then I shall be switching to an alternative. If not, then there's hope yet.

Sawmill/Sawfish? (3, Interesting)

dltaylor (7510) | more than 4 years ago | (#31698318)

Anyone got sawmill/sawfish running on a recent library set?

If so, got a link?

It had Gnome compatibility, but didn't clutter up the desktop with real estate-stealing nonsense or kick off a bunch of annoying memory- and disk-hogging "features", such as indexing, that I don't want, as do both Gnome and KDE.

Re:Sawmill/Sawfish? (3, Informative)

knarf (34928) | more than 4 years ago | (#31699322)

Saw{mill|fish} is just a window manager. It is not a desktop environment. In gnome terms it compares to metacity, not the whole gnome desktop. If you want to run just a window manager you can do that with any of the available window managers. If you like programming your window manager in Lisp then saw{mill|fish} is a good choice but there are many other extensible window managers out there.

I run a gnome desktop without all those memory-hogging misfeatures like indexing. It has a 17 pixel high gnome panel on the top so the rest of the screen is completely free for useful stuff. Use a theme with small window borders (eg. Mist or Metabox) instead of those huge gaudy monstrosities which many distributions seem to favour. Well-configured gnome is actually one of the least cluttered desktop environments I have found.

Why is F-Spot still there? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31698368)

To justify the presence of the Mono libraries. Why else include this dreadfully slow application when there are much faster, more fully featured, rival applications ready to take its place.

Miguel must have all his fingers and each of his twelve toes crossed right now, because Mono is the only justification for his salary and share options at Novell. Even the men in suits would get a bit suspicious if none of the software the Miguelistas were producing was used by anyone. At least forcing users to use it creates the illusion that it is needed. Without the inclusion of Mono, Miguel and his band of happy followers would be out on their sorry asses (well, maybe not asses, donkeys perhaps, and even then probably just the one between the lot of them).

But really... why is F-Spot still there?

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