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iPad Launches, FCC Teardown Leaked

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the it's-full-of-magic-elves dept.

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Apple's much-awaited iPad officially launched today, and iFixit has gotten their hands on photos from the FCC teardown. They've done an analysis of the internals and provided directions on doing it yourself, if you're so inclined. Predictably, it's a hot topic in the media. Cory Doctorow wrote about why he won't be getting an iPad, complaining about the closed, hacker-unfriendly design and what he calls the "Wal-martization of the software channel." Daring Fireball's John Gruber disagrees, pointing out that enthusiasts — even kids exercising their curiosity — are still quite capable of playing around with the iPad through app creation, and with much more of a chance to compete with big companies than in the Apple ][ days. Similarly, others are referring to it as the "bedtime computer" — technology that has a reasonable shot at expanding into completely new areas of use, like bedtime reading for kids. Such a device was predicted in 1972 by Alan Kay, the PARC scientist credited with the epigram "The best way to predict the future is to invent it." His hypothetical DynaBook bears striking similarity to what Apple finally came up with. So, those of you who have picked up or received an iPad already: how do you like it?

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617 comments

3...2...1... Wake up! (4, Insightful)

suso (153703) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716424)

People, snap out of it. Its just a tablet computer. They have been around for over 10 years and they have never been all that special. Apple has you in some sort of hypnosis that is causing you to go gaga over closed up commercial productions that you think you need to own.

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (0, Redundant)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716436)

^^^this.

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (5, Insightful)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716462)

People, snap out of it. Its just a tablet computer. They have been around for over 10 years and they have never been all that special. Apple has you in some sort of hypnosis

There were MP3 players before the iPod. They sucked, Apple made one that did not suck, and from that they made billions.

This is not just a tablet computer, this is a big-ass iPod, and they're likely to make big-ass billions from it.

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (2, Insightful)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716522)

This is not just a tablet computer, this is a big-ass iPod

This is also exactly why so many slashdotters hate the thing. It's nothing more than an ipod so big I can't even fit it in my pocket. Why in the world would I want that?

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (1, Funny)

lightrush (1471807) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716548)

Because The Steve said its Magical?

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (3, Insightful)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716598)

You may not, but I wager that many people will.

I don't want a Corvette, but for some reason, they keep making them. I don't really know why.

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716702)

GM keeps making Corvettes because there are a lot of wealthy men with very small penises.

Apple keeps making iPods and iPhone and iPads because there are a lot of wealthy homosexual men who lust for the gayest gadgets around.

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (0, Troll)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716760)

Don't you have homework to do?

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716874)

Spring break biatch.

Don't you have dildos to shove up your ass?

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (5, Funny)

actionbastard (1206160) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716932)

It seems as though you are not so upset at the size of the iPad, but the size of your pockets.

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (5, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716556)

While iPod sure was better than the most MP3 players, I disagree that iPod was something revolutionary. Walkman players were damn good too, and they weren't as large as iPod - a really important aspect if you want to take some music with you while jogging (so that the player doesn't weight in your pocket, and so that it doesn't either pull your earplugs out of year head). One of the Walkmans that was maybe 1cm wide and 3cm long and ultra light was perfect for this.

Another aspect to think about iPod vs Walkman or other MP3 players was that iPod had no physical feedback on controls. Only flat buttons in front of it. The other players had song scrolls that were out of the player and you could feel them - another important point when you're just putting your hand in pocket and want to change a song.

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716732)

why does this get modded down...

the post makes a few good points and is in no way inflammatory.

fuck the apple mods. why the hell are people that non-technical here anyway?

why don't they just go and admire their latest piece of overpriced plastic crap? or a portrait of their dear leader?

the way apple are becoming more and more controlling, to the extent of desperately trying to turn the clock back on the web is very bad news.
when that marketing genius jobs (skinny fucking creep) finally kicks the bucket then it will be a good thing for everyone. good riddance to him.

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716566)

They made an MP3 player that didn't suck? O rly? Coz I've yet to hear about it.

Say, you don't mean that overrated, overpriced, underpowered piece of shit that is the iSuckPod?

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716582)

KEEP RAGING, PROUD WARRIOR!

I'm sure there's some piece of shit thing made in Korea that runs Linux and required 4 hours of hacking that you just love and are dying to tell us about right?

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (0, Flamebait)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716726)

Actually, NO. I was quite happy with a generic 2GB MP3 player made by many different manufacturers. Some of them came with decent features, tactile controls, and did other things like voice record etc. They did not come with lock-in, suited my needs, and the cost was somewhere around... oh $12.00 USD. I could afford to put 3 of them in my brief case if I wanted. All I needed was a USB port and some headphones. No hacking required, no big price tag, no lock-in. Just music from a small device with headphones. There are and were many such devices. I strongly suspect that people who go gaga about iCrap will only be happy in death if they get a designer cancer.

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (3, Insightful)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716654)

Whoa there Nelly. Once you remove the coolness factor from it, It's not just an MP3 player, it's a proprietary lock-in MP3 player that costs way more than it needs to. The iPad will be the same. The cool factor is nothing short of sales magic. The first time I saw an iPhone, I thought to myself that it's clever and works fairly well. Then I tried to make a phone call. Ooops. Then I looked at the music capabilities... another ooops. Every time the device added lock-in or required that I jump through hoops to use it with Linux, it's coolness factor dropped by at least half. In the end it doesn't do enough to make it worth the extra cost.

The iPad will be the same, or at least has started out with all the same flashing lights and bragging. Maybe in 6 months when normal people get a look at one they will see it as the same 'magical' do-nothing-special device that the iPod and iPhone turned out to be. If there is any lock-in or I'm required to jump through hoops to use one with my home network, then Apple can keep them. All of them. I'm not likely to buy a hammer that requires I buy special gloves from the same company to use it, or restricts which nails I can use it to hit. You can go gaga all you want about how cool it is but if you do I'm taking you off the Christmas party invite list.

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (-1, Flamebait)

cvd6262 (180823) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716806)

I appreciate Apple somewhat because - for example - the iPod did increase the competition in the DAP market. I don't think my iRiver Clix would exist sans Apple.

But we shouldn't overlook the fact that Apple has been successful because they market locked-in solutions to largely technology-ignorant consumers. Very intelligent (but less computer-savvy) people buy iPods and iPhones because they don't know anything else exists. (How many people do you know who a) owned an MP3 player before buying an iPod? or b) owned a smart phone before buying an iPhone?) Now those people don't know that there are other iPod-compatible music outlets besides the iTunes store, and there *isn't* anywhere else to buy apps for the iPhone besides the app store.

So forgive us for hoping the iPad fails. If it succeeds, it will only further ingrain the vendor-lock-in model in the psyche of American consumers. That would be a loss for all of us.

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (2, Interesting)

fermion (181285) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716910)

I don't think the original MP3 players sucked. I think they suffered from what many other consumer devices did. Buttons that break, headphone jacks that were only held together by solder, with no stress relief. Apple did with media player what Sony did with cassette player. The built to a quality specification and not a price point.

I have owned and used several phones. The iphone is easier to use in many ways that any other phone that I have owned or used. Sure, to make a call does require four touches for stored numbers(slightly more if the phone is locked), but is is much easier to dial or look up new numbers. Again, it is build like a tank.

At the end of the day, Apple products tend to include features that are useful to people, rather than features that are useful to advertisers. This, above all, is why there is not Flash.

I don't really know why people are saying this is just a big ass ipod. After all, an SUV is just a big assed compact car, and although I don't understand why people who are not obese need such a vehicle, I don't confuse and Toyota Land Cruiser with a Toyota Corolla.

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (2, Insightful)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716486)

They've been around for 10 years and yet they all failed in the consumer market. I wonder if there's some reason for that.....

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (1, Informative)

wampus (1932) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716532)

Obviously a lack of cult association. You know, marketing.

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716866)

Obviously a lack of cult association. You know, marketing.

The Zune had marketting and is a direct competitor. So it's not "cult" --it's GUI and broken features that break your device's "sell-ability." Zune's Squirting lac of popularity, with the associated expiration timeout DRM, and issues with "Plays for sure" supposedly killed it. I never even played with one, but can assume most people here have at least checked out a friend's EeePC or iPhone. Those still sell pretty well, and one of them never had your alleged must-have cult attributes. NEXT!

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (5, Funny)

discord5 (798235) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716500)

People, snap out of it. Its just a tablet computer.

Yeah, but this one is hand-made by Steve Jobs, assembled on the thighs of Taiwanese virgins. If you sniff it real hard you can still smell the reality distortion field permeating the electronics.

It will also double as a paperweight and shiny object to distract other people.

Disclaimer: Taiwanese virgins may or may not be female. Applicability as paperweight is not guaranteed by the usermanual.

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (3, Insightful)

sandertje (1748324) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716576)

I don't think these were marketed in the huge way Apple does with the iPad. Consumer products never grow big unless they are marketed. The iPad --- and the clones it will undoubtedly spur --- might not be new in the technical sense of the word, but for 99.9% of the world population, it will. Perhaps the world wasn't ready for tablet PCs 10 years ago, as the netbook also has only been vastly popular for the last few years. Ten years ago, people were just getting used to mobile phones equipped with camera's, they couldn't see any need for tablet computers. These days, that's changed. E-book manufacturers make ever greater profits, our mobile phones are basically wearable desktop computers, its only logical that tablet computers are the next big thing. Apple comes with this iPad at precisely the right moment, AND it's got the right sense of marketing. ;-)

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716636)

The sort of people who will agree with you already agreed with you. That leaves us with everyone else. Let's see. Apple fans. No tearing the veil of Maya from their eyes. Regular people - *shudders* - don't know any of those, but don't they all love the shiny or something?

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (1)

spikeb (966663) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716662)

it is a tablet done right: no keyboard, lightweight, pretty low cost, designed for touch.

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (1)

spikeb (966663) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716674)

I personally won't be getting one, but am looking forward to a more open tablet that also does it right(TM)

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (3, Insightful)

zieroh (307208) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716736)

Apple has you in some sort of hypnosis that is causing you to go gaga over closed up commercial productions that you think you need to own.

Would you like to explain the technical process by which they managed to cause everyone to go gaga? I think a more likely explanation is that some people like it. The fact that you don't has no bearing on that.

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (2, Funny)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716864)

People, snap out of it. Its just a tablet computer. They have been around for over 10 years and they have never been all that special. Apple has you in some sort of hypnosis that is causing you to go gaga over closed up commercial productions that you think you need to own.

Yes, but according to the linked article, The WiFi iPad is officially Apple model A1219, while the 3G iPad is A1337.

So the 3G version is 1337 ... how can you not want one?

Re:3...2...1... Wake up! (4, Insightful)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716926)

I'd argue that it's not a tablet computer - or at least, not in the style that we've been accustomed to in the past 10 years. Apple might have something very different here (time will tell). Yeah, sure... at it's heart, the iPad is a computer. But the interface and intended use are a different take on how we use such a device. And that difference might be just enough, implementing in just the right way, to finally alter people's perceptions about how to use and interact with data.

Think of it in Star Trek terms. There were different interfaces that worked particularly well for different tasks. They had direct access to the ship's computer through voice commands. They had terminals that also linked to the ship's computer. And then they were running around with diagnostics and signing duty rosters, etc. with these small pad devices.

The iPad strikes me as being that pad device; the right interface for a particular subset of computing. And, frankly, a type of computing that just hasn't been fully realized using the hardware and interfaces that have existed in the last 10 years.

Sure - the hype is almost palpable. The territory just isn't that ground-breaking. And I seriously doubt I'll ever purchase an iPad (I'm more interested in Android variations). But it is possible that the iPad will get people to see things differently; in ways that they're not yet understanding because they don't "get" what the iPad is. Yet.

ipad is for humans! (4, Interesting)

seanadams.com (463190) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716426)

I have a 95 yr old neighbor who uses an old Windows machine and AOL dialup. He's still able to do the things he has always done with it, but he wants a faster connection and a newer computer but doesn't want to have to learn a new OS. Neither cable nor DSL is available, and he doesn't have line of sight to be able to use directional microwave technology which is what some people use around here.

However, the iPad is SO easy to use there's really nothing to learn. I have shown him how to use my iPhone to take pictures, browse pictures and read the news, and it's just so intuitive and easy.

And he DOES have 3g coverage. So he can get one device with no cables or router that does everything he needs and is easy to learn.

I think Slashdotters are for the most part woefully ignorant of how the rest of humanity actually uses computers, and would do well to understand these types of use cases. They will sell millions.

Re:ipad is for humans! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716472)

But still no Flash, so 99% of the websites out there won't display correctly.

Re:ipad is for humans! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716832)

but you know its true. wish all you like but the ipad is on a collision course with reality as far as flash is concerned.

i'd like to see the itunes model of computing take over with apple completely. if osx can move in this direction then that'll be grand.

and if apple get their own search engine (rumoured) and their own little version of the web then hopefully they will spend all their time there, in a sugary world of shiny icons and lovely plastic things. they can piss off and let everyone else get on with making stuff and doing work.

Re:ipad is for humans! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716480)

1. Buy a new Windows box (for less than the iPad).
2. Get a 3G USB dongle (total cost still less than the iPad).
3. Buy a monthly data plan (which will inevitably cost less than the iPad data plan).

You, like most Apple enthusiasts, display a stunning lack of imagination.

Re:ipad is for humans! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716652)

And you apple haters show a serious lack of money making ability. Is the difference between a cheap PC (one that in my PC days I would never had bought in the first place) and a Mac that huge a drain on your resources that you would notice? Interesting...

On a side note, I've always wondered how many apple haters post the usual crap then get in their BMW and drive somewhere actually believing that it is the "ultimate driving machine"?

Re:ipad is for humans! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716894)

so we're jealous of your wealth now are we? ah that must be it.

maybe that's the only reason we don't buy apple, because we can't afford it!!!! incredible stuff. how low can you cocksuckers go?

buying overpriced plastic shit made by kids in poor countries is one thing, but i seriously don't get why you feel the need to drink every last drop of the cool aid?

i mean how pathetic must you guys really be? truly i feel sorry for you.

Re:ipad is for humans! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716852)

Usually when there is no dsl and no cable, there is no 3g. That is the case at my parents house.

The have edge and cdma that is slower than dialup. I've tried it.

Re:ipad is for humans! (3, Funny)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716484)

I have a 95 yr old neighbor who uses an old Windows machine and AOL dialup.

So what you're saying is that the iPad is a way to put him out of his misery without resorting to euthanasia?

Re:ipad is for humans! (3, Funny)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716814)

I have a 95 yr old neighbor who uses an old Windows machine and AOL dialup.

So what you're saying is that the iPad is a way to put him out of his misery without resorting to euthanasia?

I wager that the iPad is a form of euthanasia. The Personal Computer Revolution is fading into oblivion ... and no-one can even feel the loss.

Re:ipad is for humans! (2, Informative)

Ziekheid (1427027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716528)

Looks like you've gone blind watching Apple commercials. Since he can use windows he can easily use any other version of windows on a new 500 dollar pc. Since you pay for the 3G package I could argue that he, for that money, can instead also get some decent internet for his pc. Also, comparing a PC with the iPad is hilarious to say the least and there are tons of tablet pc alternatives that provide more than the iPad does for the same money.
And yeah, these are intuitive and easy too.

Re:ipad is for humans! (2, Insightful)

sessamoid (165542) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716578)

As he said, you're blind to how the rest of the world uses computers. A 95 year old man who grew up during the Great War cannot just jump from one version of Windows to another without a lot of unlearning and relearning. Hell, my programmer father who grew up in the second WW still doesn't intuitively know what needs to be double-clicked vs. single-clicked in Windows.

Re:ipad is for humans! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716768)

Not all of the elderly are as stupid as your father.

Re:ipad is for humans! (5, Insightful)

linumax (910946) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716546)

I think Slashdotters are for the most part woefully ignorant of how the rest of humanity actually uses computers, and would do well to understand these types of use cases. They will sell millions.

Firstly, Slashdot is not a single uniform entity. There are many different opinions which in case of iPad there are slashdotters all over the love-hate spectrum. You're not the exception here.

Secondly, in your rush to blame Slashdot, you came up with an example which not only doesn't support "sell millions" argument but also goes against it. iPad's market is much more mainstream than niche semi-disabled 95 year olds. Everyone with an interest in reading eBooks, watching movies on the go, reading news, doing lite creative work, using some productivity tools, students reading textbooks, etc. is the target market.

All of this however doesn't change the fact that Apple has declared war on tinkering and as more and more consumers adopt the "appliance computing" model that Apple spearheads, the future of computing looks less and less bright. Hopefully all alternatives will not perish.

Re:ipad is for humans! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716602)

It is funny how people take extreme examples to make a point of justification, like the 95 years old, or the one handed cripple, or the usual "my wife this and that" second computer blablabla. Good luck for your neighbor to type away on the virtual keyboard. At that age a BIG keyboard and a LARGE monitor is what is needed not a 10' screen with a virtual keyboard. pfff...

Re:ipad is for humans! (1)

seanadams.com (463190) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716798)

It is funny how people take extreme examples to make a point of justification, like the 95 years old[...]

I was trying to pick a single, real example that illustrated as many pain points as possible. Obviously there are far more people who might only have 1 or 2 of those issues. They'll still want one - though perhaps not as badly.

Re:ipad is for humans! (2, Informative)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716632)

"They will sell millions."

Doctorow's point was well put: if parents buy this for their kids, their kids will be conditioned not to tinker. I am sure millions will be sold...but those who would otherwise have tinkered will be deprived of an opportunity to do so. Maybe you do not care about such things, but some of us do.

Re:ipad is for humans! (1)

nametaken (610866) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716658)

Your 95 year old friend is not "the rest of humanity". The average user often has more than one thing open at a time.

iPad fail.

Re:ipad is for humans! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716692)

i'm gonna use one of these like the article suggests... going to buy a load of those $15 e-books and then i can use it to read to my children in bed. my neighbour pooh-poohed the idea, saying he just makes do with normal books, but then he's a luddite.

Re:ipad is for humans! (1)

vanyel (28049) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716694)

I know there are a lot of sheep out there, willing to sell their souls for something shiny, but I'll wait for something that isn't run by a dictatorial nanny.

Re:ipad is for humans! (1)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716724)

Your neighbour will also need a computer that is capable of running iTunes 9.1 first. If not, she wont be able to use her iPad.

Re:ipad is for humans! (1)

Pentium100 (1240090) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716800)

Depending on the Windows version, he could probably buy a 3G USB modem and a data plan (you would still need the plan for the ipad).

Or he could get a Windows 98/2000/XP computer and the 3G USB modem if he now uses Windows 95/NT4 or older. User interface of WinXP is very similar to Win95, so that would not be a problem (unless he now uses 3.11).

And that would still be cheaper than the ipad. And on the ipad the UI is different from Windows.

They will sell millions.

Apple fans will probably buy more than one (I remember people buying more than one iphone when it first came out - why would anybody need two identical cell phones I don't know).
Less educated friends of the Apple fans will probably buy one (after hearing how great it is from their friend).
Some people will be influenced by ads.
And some people will buy one after doing research and seeing that it fits their needs and that other tablet PCs don't.

Re:ipad is for humans! (2, Insightful)

future assassin (639396) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716804)

>However, the iPad is SO easy to use there's really nothing to learn

So you already own the iPad and he has used it?

It's just swell! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716428)

The iPad fits nicely in my cavernous rectum! Someday I hope to have Steve Jobs's head up there!

Re:It's just swell! (1)

MrShaggy (683273) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716474)

Just another Goatse?

with the hood welded shut (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716448)

Welding the hood shut annoys hackers, but we're such a tiny part of the market that we don't matter. The trend over the past decades is clear: less and less consumer control over their devices, and more and more corporate control.

That might even be OK if you consider Apple a "benevolent dictator", as many people do.

I won't be buying one either due to the locked down closed nature. But this really doesn't matter *at all* to most people.

Re:with the hood welded shut (1)

mirix (1649853) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716502)

I won't be buying one either due to the locked down closed nature. But this really doesn't matter *at all* to most people.

Until they change something, that is.

But for the Ipad they could make it do even less and no one would care, as long as it still matches their turtle neck, and looks sharp in a starbucks.

Re:with the hood welded shut (1)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716612)

iPad : Computer :: Disney's Epcot Center : Real Town

Re:with the hood welded shut (2, Funny)

Thinboy00 (1190815) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716666)

Nope, still don't get it. Do you have a car analogy?

Re:with the hood welded shut (2, Insightful)

ThrowAwaySociety (1351793) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716708)

iPad : Computer :: Disney's Epcot Center : Real Town

And strangely, thousands of people pay big money every day to spend just one day at Epcot, when they could walk around their hometown for nothing.

Sounds like Apple's going to reap big bucks on this.

Let the hating begin (on /. anyway) (4, Insightful)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716464)

Prediction: all the usual suspects
  • Those who insist on using 'fanboi', (or other variants of the word) to describe normal people who are satisfied with what they bought
  • Those who are envious and/or jealous of Apple's success
  • Those who are too blinkered in their outlook, who define themselves by adherence to some purist "everything must be open" credo
  • Those who can't afford the device, and are jealous of those who can
  • Those with buyers remorse for having paid good money down out on something else
  • The infants (at least of mind) who like to characterise anyone who buys Apple as gay
  • Those who, for whatever reason, just dislike Apple as a company, and can safely be categorised as 'haters'

will be out in force in this thread.

There are faults with any device. It's not perfect, and it won't be for everyone. What irks me is the "I don't like/want it therefore it's crap" attitude; the inability to look beyond what *you* find wrong with it, and see that this might just be golden for someone else. My parents, for example [grin].

But what bugs me above all is the anti-apple crowd these days. Apparently if you express even the slightest appreciation for something well-conceived and well-designed, you're a "fanboi" who's taken in by "the shiny" (whatever *that* is!). Sure there are fanboys (and girls, presumably), but not everyone (not even vaguely close - not in the same universe, let alone ballpark) who likes Apple kit should be labelled such.

I swear the anti-Apple crowd are far and away worse than the real fanboys. Even in the worst-possible scenario, with everyone who likes Apple kit being a fan (ahem, including both genders, here) , at least the fans have something they like, appreciate, and enjoy using. The haters just hate. And that's pitiably sad.

Simon

Re:Let the hating begin (on /. anyway) (2, Insightful)

mirix (1649853) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716516)

What irks me is the "I don't like/want it therefore it's crap" attitude

Quite the opposite for myself. It's crap, therefore I don't like/want it.

Re:Let the hating begin (on /. anyway) (1)

progr (861248) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716764)

What irks me is the "I don't like/want it therefore it's crap" attitude

Quite the opposite for myself. It's crap, therefore I don't like/want it.

Who cares.

Re:Let the hating begin (on /. anyway) (0, Flamebait)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716828)

What irks me is the "I don't like/want it therefore it's crap" attitude

Quite the opposite for myself. It's crap, therefore I don't like/want it.

Who cares.

Fanbois like you, obviously.

Re:Let the hating begin (on /. anyway) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716900)

Quite the opposite for myself. It's crap, therefore I don't like/want it.

Ignorance is a many faceted wonder - and you my friend are display it handsomely. Without knowing it or using it - you call it crap!

Re:Let the hating begin (on /. anyway) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716530)

Hi Simon, Apple hater here,

And that's pitiably sad.

I agree we deserve people's pity. You can paypal your support by making a donation to applecustomersaregaynoexceptions1942@gmail.com [mailto] .

thanks in advance!!

Re:Let the hating begin (on /. anyway) (5, Insightful)

FuckingNickName (1362625) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716542)

Actually, ignoring the blatant trolls (who seem to have been quite successful on you), most of the people not showering praise on the iPad are simply commenting that it's not for them / explaining its problems / offering alternative solutions. The idea that people don't buy Apple because they "can't afford the device, and are jealous of those who can" is far more a reflection of your approach to life than anything.

It's just a tool, and it has no place in my toolkit. Just as the iMac I've recently sold wasn't good enough for me. It wasn't awful, but it didn't offer any advantage over the more powerful, cheap, configurable and supported Windows 7 box + Linux VM I've replaced it with. Thus passes the glory of the screwdriver.

Re:Let the hating begin (on /. anyway) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716638)

The idea that people don't buy Apple because they "can't afford the device, and are jealous of those who can" is far more a reflection of your approach to life than anything.

That was the one thing on Simon's list that jumped out at me too.

Re:Let the hating begin (on /. anyway) (5, Funny)

wampus (1932) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716544)

You forgot the assclowns posting lists of predictions.

Re:Let the hating begin (on /. anyway) (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716568)

But what bugs me above all is the anti-apple crowd these days. Apparently if you express even the slightest appreciation for something well-conceived and well-designed, you're a "fanboi" who's taken in by "the shiny" (whatever *that* is!). Sure there are fanboys (and girls, presumably), but not everyone (not even vaguely close - not in the same universe, let alone ballpark) who likes Apple kit should be labelled such.

Let them hate - that leaves less competition for the Objective-C developer jobs that have been popping up on dice.com. Sometimes it *literally* pays to keep an open mind. :-)

Re:Let the hating begin (on /. anyway) (4, Insightful)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716606)

Those who insist on using 'fanboi', (or other variants of the word) to describe normal people who are satisfied with what they bought

No; there are normal people who are satisfied with what they bought, and then there are people who will queue up for hours in New York to be greeted for a few minuted by some noisy Apple employees in a nightclub-like atmosphere to get there hands on a thing. I think the term 'fanboi' is quite a useful one in this instance.

'fanboi' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716696)

Whenever I see 'fanboi', I imagine a young man in full makeup (lipstick, mascara, rouge, etc...), speaking and acting rather effeminately, and dressed in black. It's a rather spooky sort of image. And I just have to wonder what's in my psyche that I think of that.

Can we change the nickname to Appledudes or something so that I won't have to go into therapy?

Re:Let the hating begin (on /. anyway) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716672)

Using an Apple product is certainly not "gay", but it is a bit metrosexual. [wikipedia.org]

That's not necessarily a bad thing. Buying the right design can in some cases give you social benefits that are potentially vastly more valuable than the technology inside the gear.

Of course that depends extremely much on your social network. Taking a Windows laptop to your job at a design firm is nearly as wrong as taking a Kawasaki to go ride with the local Harley Davidson buddies.

Re:Let the hating begin (on /. anyway) (1)

spikeb (966663) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716716)

Apple makes great stuff. However, half of it is crippled and the other half is still made by a rather evil company.

Apple fanbois are not gay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716730)

They are merely waiting on the straight port.

Re:Let the hating begin (on /. anyway) (2, Interesting)

stastuffis (632932) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716788)

I swear the anti-Apple crowd are far and away worse than the real fanboys. Even in the worst-possible scenario, with everyone who likes Apple kit being a fan (ahem, including both genders, here) , at least the fans have something they like, appreciate, and enjoy using. The haters just hate. And that's pitiably sad.

Oh really? I find them both equally irritating.

I had a friend requesting advice for a laptop that may be used for video editing. His budget was $500 and he was thinking about a Mac since Windows XP was giving him issues on an older desktop. Out of the woodwork, the discussion was filled with rabid Mac fans pushing him to buy without regard to the price point, many recommending outdated models and offering their old ones. My contribution was that he had options, especially for his needs, his budget and the relative decency which is Windows 7. There was no option for these other people.

Yet he impulsively bought one not soon after. Funny thing. He went on craigslist and accidentally bought a stolen one. He has been subpoenaed to testify against the thief. His blog post here [wordpress.com] (no ads, it's just his story).

Re:Let the hating begin (on /. anyway) (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716878)

Stupid fanboi.

Mine does exactly what it was meant to do (3, Insightful)

dokebi (624663) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716482)

As hackers, we should recognize that there is a right tool for the job. Ipad is just another tool. It does less than a laptop because it's meant to be a simpler tool than a laptop.

Eventually the market will decide if a tablet is a niche or mainstream product. But for me at least, I couldn't be happier.

Re:Mine does exactly what it was meant to do (1, Redundant)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716738)

Nevermind that Apple retains as much control over the iPad as Sony did over the PS3. Hackers got screwed with the PS3, and that served as a warning about these traps. The iPad is a trap. Apple has already started censoring the apps store, and designs its devices to prevent the installation of anything that does not come from the apps store.

I will avoid the iPad like a plague, and advise everyone I know to do the same.

Re:Mine does exactly what it was meant to do (4, Insightful)

Obyron (615547) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716776)

It does less than a similarly equipped laptop, and for only twice the price! As a bonus for your money, you get no USB expansion ports, and can even only run one app at a time! Apple's innovation is staggering.

Re:Mine does exactly what it was meant to do (1)

CityZen (464761) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716862)

Okay, now get busy hacking it so that it can be even more useful and open than it is now. Then I'll buy one.

Seriously (3, Insightful)

sonicmerlin (1505111) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716506)

The national news media has gone utterly insane over this tablet. I know it's a flashy, "cool" product that will sell well, but it's just not worth the crazy amount of attention it's getting.

I think the best example of the lunacy was illustrated on the Colbert Report. The iPad was given a full front-cover picture (free advertisement), while Amazon paid for a full back-cover advertisement of their Kindle on the same magazine.

Re:Seriously (1)

ABasketOfPups (1004562) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716608)

Why is it lunacy? Are you assuming that Colbert Report didn't get more out of the airtime than Apple did?

kindle sees similarities to PP (3, Insightful)

v1 (525388) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716622)

I think the Kindle is going to have to make some serious changes. For 2x the price you get 5x the features with the iPad. Kindle's been out awhile and prices have already worked their way down as features and size have crept up. The iPad is just hitting the market and is already a better value for the money. When the early adopters are done paying their tax and prices on the iPad drop, Kindle has a very serious problem on their hands. I wonder what they intend to do?

Same thing has already happened with the palm pilot, but against a flurry of devices. (ipods and smartphones) Who in their right mind would buy a palm pilot today? Kindle is headed down the same road. I bought a PP 4 yrs ago not because I liked it, but because it was the only product anywhere near the price for what it did. People bought the Kindle for the same reason. And they're both going to find their way to the garage sale.

Re:kindle sees similarities to PP (2, Interesting)

Richy_T (111409) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716884)

Call me when the ipad has an e-ink screen, incredible battery life and free internet.

And Palm really dropped the ball. The Ipod Touch is what the Palm TX II should have been. Instead they went monkeying with smartphones, going up against Microsoft and Rim. I still use my TX a fair bit.

More than an eReader... (3, Interesting)

nullhero (2983) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716552)

Everyone is clamoring over the iPad calling it a Kindle-Killer but the device is more than an eReader. It's not a replacement of the notebook either. I think it is Apples Netbook, an expensive one in comparison, but a netbook just the same. It has limited functionality but allows the user to access their documents via iWork (Apple is expanding iWork to the cloud, currently in beta) as well as create their own. It gives a user access to their email and then all those iPhone/iPod Touch apps. But what it really does is kind of free the user from the computer, from sitting at a desk and working at their computer, it is easier for her to go to coffee shop and just read the web. She'll then decide to go grocery shopping or do other things neatly tucking the iPad a way. If she has some ideas during the day she can take out her iPad and write up the ideas. As thin and mobile notebook computers are they still are chore to lug around everywhere. I'm not saying carrying a 1.5 pound is easier, but it sure beats having to grab the power cords, put everything in a bag. With the iPad, you just have to unplug it and go. I can't wait to get mine.

Re:More than an eReader... (1)

Obyron (615547) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716802)

For the money I'd still rather have a Kindle. The people calling it a Kindle killer don't understand the things that make e-Ink awesome. They think the fact that it's a monochrome screen with no backlight is a drawback instead of its key advantage. Because surely more colors has to be better? Right?

Cue the Slashdot negativity in 3, 2, 1... (3, Interesting)

macwhizkid (864124) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716590)

The thing I find so interesting is just how much negativity is out there over the iPad. While I respect Doctorow's well-written analysis, most of it (not just on Slashdot) is far less intelligent and coherent. David Pogue's initial review (which was pretty thoughtful and balanced) got slammed with comments on everything from "I already have a laptop and now I'm supposed to buy an iPad?" to "how am I supposed to do anything without USB" to "how many kids could you help in Haiti instead of buying your stupid toy".

Honestly, you'd think people are being forced to buy an iPad. The only thing I can think of is that a certain segment of the population just rebels against anything that's mainstream.

The funniest comments (to me) are where Apple is compared to being the "new Microsoft". Yeah, because a company that got and maintained its riches only because of its half-baked operating system and word processor is so much like a company that goes out on a limb (over and over again) to invent a new category of consumer device. And then the commentators are somehow surprised when that pays off.

Re:Cue the Slashdot negativity in 3, 2, 1... (2, Insightful)

wampus (1932) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716628)

And then they lose their mojo and start making the same device but bigger. That's what makes people hate the fucking iPad.

In the infamous words of the Human Tourch... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716600)

...Flame on!

Premature article (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716644)

It's friggin' 10am on the west coast. Most people won't even be getting them for the next few hours, much less be able to report on them with any real detail. This was just a dumb, hype-induced time to post this article. If you actually gave a shit about getting interesting responses, why not ask how it is in a week?
 
Okay, time to get back to debugging on the simulator.

If iPad then Android (1)

lightrush (1471807) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716646)

The iPad and the Android tablets are in the works for some time now. I have always considered the idea of a phone OS on a tablet as an iffy thing due to the functionality constraints of those OSes. But if this device succeeds on the market with its amazingly limited functionality, then I think the upcoming Snapdragon-based tablets running Android would surpass it. Android is getting Flash very soon and it already has multitasking. What do you think?

Re:If iPad then Android (1)

progr (861248) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716842)

You need flash for? It seems that all are mad about the lack of flash. I have uninstalled flash from all my machines and I don't miss it. I needed it only to see videos on the net but now nearly every video providers offer HTML 5 based streaming.

Re:If iPad then Android (1)

lightrush (1471807) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716934)

Well I would prefer open-standards based web experience. Unfortunately Flash has settled among the web as a rich-content media platform used for a lot more than video streaming. If video streaming was the only thing Flash does then it would be rather easy to replace it. Furthermore often Flash performs a lot better than HTML5 in terms of speed. To give you an idea about its performance compared to HTML5 on Nexus One including HTML5 performance on iPhone 3GS, I suggest u watch this: http://vimeo.com/10553088 [vimeo.com] . Basically for all those reasons you do want to have Flash on any device which is to present rich media content.

iPad limits video output (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716676)

You can't actually play PURCHASED VIDEO to another device (like a TV, VGA Monitor, Projector).

http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/bm1k7/the_ipad_hates_freedom_the_ipad_doesnt_like_vga/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/onebutan-iphone/4486591019/

Ho, cuties! (1)

iMac Were (911261) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716680)

So, those of you who have picked up or received an iPad already: how do you like it?

Up the ass.

The killer app (4, Funny)

CranberryKing (776846) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716746)

a Newton Emulator.

Fanboys around? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31716766)

Funny how people who neutrally state that they don't understand the hype get modded Redundant and Flamebait, while people writing how they are in love with Apple products and that everything else is complete sh*t get modded Insightful...

How do scientific PDF documents appear on iPad? (5, Interesting)

Ultimate Heretic (1058480) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716778)

Lacking in the early iPad reviews has been any screen shots or actual information on how a two-column small text PDF appears, typical in my scientific arena's journal articles. My use for an iPad would be to provide a convenient means to carry around and read at home (not parked in front of my computer!) my current list of journal articles. As an older person with ever increasily bad eyesight, I can really use the larger screen. So have any slashdot user + iPad adopters had a chance to use it in this context? Another contender is the Skiff reader, but it is stil vaporware and their latest press release seems to suggest they are moving to provide an OS and marketing scheme and moving away from the hardware reader. Pity, as it is just the right size for my needs. I know that one can "Kindle-ize" PDF's, but a) I am lazy and b) I bet they don't come out quite right, so that is not a solution I would want to use. Also, I see that Papers has been released for iPad just today, so maybe it is worth a trip to the Apple Store to have a look myself.

The Apple Cult (1)

celibate for life (1639541) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716840)

I've seen religious fundamentalists less devoted than Appleists.

No Flash - No Point (1)

ironicsky (569792) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716880)

If there is no flash, there is no point. A good chunk of websites (est 30-40% Cite [flashmagazine.com] ) use flash which Apple blatently alienates. I'll stick to my laptop and my tethered iPhone and get better results.

CD-ROM 2.0 (2, Insightful)

hey (83763) | more than 4 years ago | (#31716928)

I agree with Cory. It reminds me of CD-ROMs also.
That nifty Elements App (from Wolfram) is exactly like that. It just seems weird not to be able to hyperlink to content outside the CD-ROM -er- I mean iPad App. (Of course, you can launch a browser, but but App would do that because its job to to get you to view the content you just bought.)

The UI of CD-ROM (and maybe iPad Apps) was terrible also. Everyone CD-ROM title decided they needed a different GUI. Getting he back/next buttons, address bar in the browser was a such a big step forward.

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