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iPad Jailbroken

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the let-the-games-begin dept.

Portables 624

A day after the release of Apple's tablet computer, a hacker claims to have gained root access to the iPad. "A well-known hacker of the iPhone, who previously defeated Apple's restrictions on developers, has claimed in a video to have hacked the iPad. Just a day after release, the hacker, who goes by 'MuscleNerd' online, said that he has gained root access to the iPad..."

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Only Apple (5, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727654)

If you'd get a normal tablet or computer, you wouldn't need to jailbreak it. Apple is moving us towards closed computer environments. If Microsoft did this everyone would be angry about it, but now that it's Apple its all fine and classy.

Re:Only Apple (5, Insightful)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727678)

Try to get outside apps running on a kindle.

Re:Only Apple (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31727698)

Kindle is an ebook reader, not a tablet. It is pretty closed down tho, and should be avoided.

Re:Only Apple (1, Flamebait)

tclgeek (587784) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727760)

By your logic I must assume the iPad isn't a tablet either. Apparently your idea of a tablet is "runs software not designed for a tablet and doesn't have a keyboard".

Hack released (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31727888)

http://ipad-crack.com/ [ipad-crack.com] for more info

Re:Only Apple (2, Insightful)

master5o1 (1068594) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727964)

You are putting words in his mouth. He did not even imply such an idea was his.

Re:Only Apple (0, Flamebait)

angelwolf71885 (1181671) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728140)

duh of coerce the ipad ISN'T A TABLET its an ipodXL it needs to be an x86 cpu and running a FULL OS before its considered a computer right now its just a multimedia device thats all an ARM cpu is good for and its NOT revolutionary hell its NOT even innovative ANDROID running on a net book is more innovative hell just a net book alone is more innovative

Re:Only Apple (4, Funny)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728184)

I need a grammar nazi and a punctuation pedant on isle 4.

Re:Only Apple (5, Interesting)

v1 (525388) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727822)

I find it hilarious to see all the kindle owners ragging on the ipad for being overpriced and how they can get the same thing that's so much better for less in a Kindle. Then say one word about the features of the ipad and they run screaming in the other direction saying you can't compare the two since the kindle is "just an ebook reader". So, apparently we can compare them when talking about batter life and price, but we can't compare them when talking about app stores, color displays, games, etc etc etc.

For right now, cost and (extreme) battery life are really the only two things kindle has going for it. Give it a few months for the prices on ipad to come down and it will bury the kindle, or force them to drop the price on it quite a bit to maintain their edge. They're not in exactly the same market. The Kindle is in a subset of the ipad's market. Which usually means "it's cheaper" is the only thing they have going for them.

Re:Only Apple (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31727838)

Unless you're buying them second hand, iPad prices will not come down. At all.

Re:Only Apple (2, Informative)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727868)

The price of the original iPhone dropped pretty fast after launch, in fact it dropped and doubled in storage capacity. The difference was so large they had to issue apple store credits to early adopters.

I don't expect there to even BE a 16GB iPad 1 year from now or even 6 months.

Re:Only Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31727998)

The price dropped because AT7T started subsidizing it. Originally you had to pay the full unsubsidized price.

Re:Only Apple (2, Insightful)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728000)

I'd be happy if they added the camera and dropped the price before Christmas. I'll probably want to give them as Christmas gifts and would upgrade mine for the camera if the price was right.

SSD drives still aren't cheap. I recently bought an 128GB SSD drive for my laptop and it was $350. Sounds as if Apple is stressing the market right now by buying everything up for the iPad. I'd guess seeing lower prices and high capacities will depend on the SSD manufacturers being able to crank up to handle the demand. Everyone moaning and groaning about how horrible the iPad is should be thankful that it'll make SSD cheaper faster (after causing the prices to go up for a short while). There is no excuse for a mobile device having a platter based drive anymore.

Re:Only Apple (0, Troll)

longacre (1090157) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728074)

Apple has already said they'd drop the price if sales didn't meet expectations.

Re:Only Apple (2, Insightful)

RanCossack (1138431) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727898)

I find it hilarious to see all the kindle owners ragging on the ipad for being overpriced and ...

Ah, but if you already own a Kindle (it came out before the iPad, donchaknow), it's much cheaper than buying an iPad.

Cost, battery life, *and* free wireless data. (I believe you'll find the iPad has a better browser, but hey. ;) Not that related, but you CAN "root" a Kindle, and put Linux programs on it. That doesn't magically give it the power or display of the ipad, but hey, at least you'd have a physical keyboard, right?

Re:Only Apple (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31727914)

The best part about the iPad is that I know that the prices on dedicated e-readers are going to drop like a stone now. Can't wait.

Re:Only Apple (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31727970)

As a long-time e-ink user I always laugh when anyone starts telling stories how another "LCD-powered gadget X" is the "ultimate reading apparatus".

For reading there is no display technology comparable to e-ink. Displays will make your eyes hurt, e-ink will not.

Tried reading on everything, from Nokia N810 to iPod Touch and TabletPC. After that decided to try Sony ebook reader (PRS-505).

Kindle DX would make a nice "home" ebook reader, big screen and stuff. Also you can load non-DRMed ebooks whenever you want too, no need to buy all of them - impossible with iPad.

Re:Only Apple (4, Interesting)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728062)

The Kindle has E-ink which is going to make for a better reading experience. Sure, its going to have a crappier web browsing experience, but ever try to really -read- anything on a LCD screen for a long period of time? It is terrible. While LCDs are fine for reading short amounts of text (a few pages), reading a book is painful on them.

LCD screens are superior in most aspects except for when reading lots and lots of text in which case the LCD screens are going to make your eyes cry out in pain while E-ink is just about the same as paper. The Kindle has its place, it isn't meant to be an iPad, tablet, laptop, toaster, etc. it is meant to let you read books without much eye strain which it does very well.

Re:Only Apple (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727718)

If you want to compare to other tablets, compare to those running Windows XP/Win7 or some kind of *nix. Kindle isn't an tablet, it's ebook reader.

And in this case, even the Windows tablets are a lot more open iPad. Or have you recently jailbroken your Windows installation?

Re:Only Apple (-1, Flamebait)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728046)

You can have a fully unlocked Windows installation and it's still useless for doing much of anything. A web browser that doesn't work, no Unix subsystems or shell, etc. It barely counts as a computer. It's little more than an over-complicated and buggy game console. At least the iPad does what it's meant to do.

Re:Only Apple (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31728134)

A Windowx installation is useless out of the box, yes, but you can install all those applications you said it lacks. On the iP* you can install what Apple lets you install.

Re:Only Apple (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31727738)

Try to get outside apps running on a kindle.

Kindle Hacking: it's a lovely little linux box [boingboing.net]

What you see there is a Kindle 2 with the Ubuntu 9.04 port to ARM running in a chrooted environment. On the screen you see xdaliclock in front of an xterm with the remains of a "top" command and a few mildly embarrassing typos.

To open up the Kindle, I used the USB networking debug mode Amazon left hanging around when they first shipped the Kindle 2, a statically linked telnetd and a cross-compiler to bootstrap myself. From there, I built a daemon that can convert DRM-free PDFs and ePubs into something Amazon's reader on the Kindle can deal with.

After that, I started to get curious about what else might be possible. It only took a few evenings to get a moderately usable Ubuntu environment running.

Mostly, the Kindle is a lovely little Linux box. Getting X working took a bit of hacking, but everything else "just works" with very little configuration.

Re:Only Apple (1)

NitroWolf (72977) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727810)

Try to get outside apps running on a kindle.

The Kindle is an e-book reader, not a tablet PC.

iPad is not a PC (2, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727994)

The Kindle is an e-book reader, not a tablet PC.

The iPad is an overgrown iPod Touch, not a tablet PC. For one thing, "PC" in Apple marketing language usually refers to Lenovo-compatible hardware running an operating system made by Microsoft.

Re:Only Apple (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727830)

I didn't buy one of those either.

(I've considered buying a Sony Reader Pocket, but the uses I would have for it don't quite justify the price...)

Re:Only Apple (1, Insightful)

mkiwi (585287) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727720)

IIRC, tablets run more-or-less normal versions of Windows XP so the admin rights were built into the account to begin with! There was no need to get "root" because it was enabled by default.

Undoubtedly, there will be tons of apple haters in this discussion who are sick of hearing about ipad because it's not open, proprietary, etc. The community understands your arguments. Bashing apple while trying to compare them to microsoft just undermines your credibility and the valid point you are trying to make.

Re:Only Apple (1, Flamebait)

NitroWolf (72977) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727840)

IIRC, tablets run more-or-less normal versions of Windows XP so the admin rights were built into the account to begin with! There was no need to get "root" because it was enabled by default.

Undoubtedly, there will be tons of apple haters in this discussion who are sick of hearing about ipad because it's not open, proprietary, etc. The community understands your arguments. Bashing apple while trying to compare them to microsoft just undermines your credibility and the valid point you are trying to make.

You are absolutely right... comparing it to Windows/Microsoft is redundant. the iPad sucks all on it's own; It doesn't need assistance in the suck department by being compared to other tablets. It's just a super sized iPhone for a hamfisted idiot (there's a lot of them out there) - and all the limitations of the iPhone without much to benefit it except a larger screen.

Re:Only Apple (1)

mrsteveman1 (1010381) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727900)

Clearly it will fail in the market, then, just like the iPhone did.

Re:Only Apple (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31727962)

The quality of a product has very little to do with whether it will fail in the market or not.

Re:Only Apple (1)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728022)

Lies! Capitalism is the one true faith!

Re:Only Apple (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31728176)

as long as there are thick cocksuckers like you around stevie boy, then apple will never fail.

Re:Only Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31727734)

Apple is the evil twin of Microsoft, existing only to be the token
competitor, but actually just as evil when it comes to your freedom.

Re:Only Apple (1)

tclgeek (587784) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727742)

If you got a normal tablet you wouldn't have all the functionality of the ipad. Kinda like saying "if you get a toaster oven you get all the functionality of a two-slice toaster". Sometimes what you want is just a two-slice toaster that is implemented really well.

Re:Only Apple (0, Flamebait)

celibate for life (1639541) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727796)

Sometimes what you want is just a half-assed analogy to justify your bad purchase.

Re:Only Apple (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728090)

> If you got a normal tablet you wouldn't have all the functionality of the ipad.

You got the blinders on so tight there it's cutting off the oxygen supply to your brain.

ANY thing that runs a real web browser is going to be more functional than an ipad. Even a JooJoo manages this despite apparently not doing much else.

Re:Only Apple (0, Troll)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727750)

Because the OS on the Zune is so free and easy to modify.

Apple has a closed environment on the iPad/iPhone/iPod line, the rest of the hardware contains an OS that is just as open (more so in some respects) than Windows. A software platform that it continues to develop and open up. You don't need to jailbreak an OS X box.

There is nothing to suggest Apple are moving "us" towards closed environments. If the iPad doesn't work for you - don't buy it.

Re:Only Apple (0, Troll)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727790)

I'm quite sure Apple will take this approach with Mac OSX too. It just makes sense (especially business sense) in every way for Apple.

Mac OS X is not open source. It's just as closed as Windows, and will probably be even more when they move the locks from iPad/iPhone to Mac OSX. Just because it's based on old FreeBSD code or it has UNIX like characteristics in the underlying system doesn't make it more open.

Re:Only Apple (2, Insightful)

stephentyrone (664894) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727842)

It's just as closed as Windows

Awesome! Where do I go to download the Windows 7 kernel source?

Re:Only Apple (1)

vbraga (228124) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728052)

Here [microsoft.com] , if you qualify to download it.

Re:Only Apple (1)

nmb3000 (741169) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728060)

Awesome! Where do I go to download the Windows 7 kernel source?

Actually, Microsoft does allow certain groups access to the Windows (client, mobile, embedded, server) source code. If you're elegible [microsoft.com] (and willing to sign a pretty significant NDA) give them a call.

It's obviously not open source, but you can get access.

Re:Only Apple (4, Insightful)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727906)

It doesn't have to be open source for it to be friendly to the OSS community - the developments with Webkit and other projects that Apple has contributed to, as well as things it has created itself and released like libdispatch - are beneficial for everyone.

It doesn't have to be open source for it to be open - it's a posix compliant unix OS with a nice GUI on top (not just "unix like"), that can also support X (if you choose to install it) and numerous other OSS stuff. It's also based on a bit more than just "old BSD code" - it's not like they just nailed the lid shut and called it done - they continue to develop the code at the core (and push their changes back to the community).

It doesn't make sense *at all* for Apple to close up OS X into the same business model as the iPhone OS - they're just totally different markets. The iPhone OS market works because it provides a single, consistent store with a plethora of free or cheap apps (with the odd expensive one which tend not to be the norm). This is pretty much the polar opposite of the way they have positioned OS X, especially with regard to the open source *parts* of the OS that they continue to develop and push.

By your logic, since "it makes perfect sense", I assume that Microsoft is going to adopt the same model it uses for Xbox live and the Xbox 360 software for Windows. I mean, they're all about control right - it only makes sense!

Re:Only Apple (1)

GaryPatterson (852699) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728136)

Sopssa, that's a pack of lies and you know it.

Darwin is open sourced. You can download it, compile it, hack it and replace the kernel of OS X with your own.

The UI layers are closed, but the kernel is as open as anything.

Please stop the trolling and the lies. They're trivially easy to spot.

Re:Only Apple (5, Insightful)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727814)

> If the iPad doesn't work for you - don't buy it.

And help other people understand why they should't buy one either. Oh, wait, that's what he's doing, and you want him to stop.

Re:Only Apple (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727954)

No he's not. He's trying to spin some FUD that this product somehow will affect his (and our) freedom in computer choices, which it will clearly not. In fact, it offers more choice and will hopefully spur competition in an otherwise quiet niche.

Re:Only Apple (4, Insightful)

NitroWolf (72977) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727894)

Because the OS on the Zune is so free and easy to modify.

Apple has a closed environment on the iPad/iPhone/iPod line, the rest of the hardware contains an OS that is just as open (more so in some respects) than Windows. A software platform that it continues to develop and open up. You don't need to jailbreak an OS X box.

There is nothing to suggest Apple are moving "us" towards closed environments. If the iPad doesn't work for you - don't buy it.

Whaaaaaa? Are you in some strange bizzaro world where Apple isn't the embodiment of a closed system?

The rest of the hardware contains an OS that is just as open ? What the hell are you talking about? Tried to boot OSX on a whitebox yet? Apparently not or you'd see how ludicrous your statement is.

There's nothing to suggest that Apple is moving "us" (why is "us" in quotes?) towards a closed environment? You mean other than the fact that every product they have is locked down and closed off? You are deluded if you think Apple wouldn't love to lock OSX users into an App store - the only reason they haven't is because Windows would regain most of the customers lost to OSX if that happened. Apple is way too far behind in the OS arena to try to dictate terms to it's users, whereas they are/were far enough ahead with the iPod/iPhone to dictate whatever the hell they wanted. The whole iPod/iPhone environment is a perfect example of exactly what Apple would do if it had the power to do so - and it's also a perfect example of why Apple should never be given enough marketshare to accomplish anything like it.

Re:Only Apple (2, Insightful)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728138)

I have OS X running on a whitebox - next question. Just because they officially discourage it, doesn't mean it is not possible. They don;t even make it difficult. The install DVD is not encrypted, has no serial numbers, does not phone home, does not need online activation. While it technically infringes the licence to do so, it is not hard to do.

"Every product locked down" - this is just nonsense. While OS X itself features closed source components, just because this is the case doesn't mean it cannot be open. Open and open source are not the same thing. OS X features a multitude of open protocols, codecs, standards and features that are designed to make it play well with other operating systems, as well as a continued commitment to open source projects that it includes and bases large parts of its systems on - CUPS, Webkit, libdispatch, OpenGL, OpenAL, GCC etc etc, just to name a couple. The reason OS X is good to use is that it combines open standards with with a business model that works well, and thus allows them to continue to exist as a large business.

If Apple wanted to lock people into an App Store for OS X they would have done so already - they will do what works for them in a business sense, nothing more, nothing less. They're not some evil emperor sitting on a throne trying to decide how best to screw over people - they are a company who exists to make money. For the iPhone, the model they have chosen happens to work for them, and is very profitable.

For OS X and the Mac, the model they have chosen is somewhat different and is very profitable for them also. They may not have the marketshare of windows, but they really don't need it. It works for them, and has seen their profits continue to look healthy year on year.

The "us" is in quotes because he is claiming to speak for everyone, which he clearly does not.

It is a fallacy to suggest that because the iPhone business model was successful for Apple that they would try and shoehorn that onto the Mac business model. You might as well say that now that Xbox live and the 360 are so well entrenched that MS will be moving that business model onto Windows.

Is it such a stretch to imagine that a company can have multiple different business models for the different products that it sells without resorting to end of the world scenarios?

Re:Only Apple (3, Insightful)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728128)

There is nothing to suggest Apple are moving "us" towards closed environments.

Other than the fact that they deployed the iPhone OS on a device that could(should) have used a better, generically useful OS. Other than the fact that Jobs thinks this type of computer will be the future of computing? Other than the fact that with the iTunes store being the sole provider of software for the iPhone OS, Apple gets a slice of every pie? No, check that, they already got a slice with the OS being locked to special hardware; now they get a sliver of every other slice by becoming the sole software distributer. Where do you get MS Office for the iPad? iTunes. Where do you get Microsoft's free RDP client for iPad? Well, there's already a fully functional pay version from another third party, and Apple won't make money from a free App with better functionality. Denied; no reason given.

Comment by Xeno 03/31/10 @ http://gizmodo.com/5506776/what-tech-nerds-think-about-the-ipad [gizmodo.com]
I really hope that this is not the future of computing. It's kinda like how most of our economy went away from inventing and producing to consuming. The iPad takes away the making and doing from computers and makes consuming the whole point. I'm not saying that consuming is bad just that I hope it's doesn't become the whole picture.

Re:Only Apple (5, Insightful)

Concerned Onlooker (473481) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727756)

"If Microsoft did this everyone would be angry about it, but now that it's Apple its all fine and classy."

That just goes to show you that without some numbers to back it up life is so ambiguous. In MY impression there is a preponderance of Apple-hating commenters here on Slashdot. Presumable those same Apple haters are not also running Windows, which is just as closed as anything Apple puts out, but consistency of thougt--even among so-called geeks--is not a major human trait.

Bad impression then (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31727922)

"In MY impression there is a preponderance of Apple-hating commenters here on Slashdot."

I think you'll find that about 20% of posters hate Apple, 20% would defend Apple if they were killing babies, and the rest don't care. Since you're an unabashed fan of Apple, I think you've adopted a bunker-like mentality that makes you feel that unless you're very complimentary to Apple that you hate them and you need to speak up to defend the honor of poor beleaguered Apple.

Re:Bad impression then (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728118)

Where does the "but where is my MacOS tablet" group fall?

The cult is trying to conflate ipad haters with Apple haters in general and that simply isn't the case.

Re:Only Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31728104)

We rag on apple because of apple fanbois like you. You are just asking for it.

Re:Only Apple (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31727798)

Where can I get a normal tablet computer for the price of an ipad?

Re:Only Apple (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31727818)

"Microsoft officials Monday confirmed at the company's MIX 10 developers event in Las Vegas that native applications will not be allowed on Windows Phone 7 devices. Only applications running in the Silverlight runtime environment or games in the XNA Game Studio runtime will be allowed."

http://www.cio.de/news/cio_worldnews/2227933/ [www.cio.de] :o ?

Re:Only Apple (1)

cbreak (1575875) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727854)

Microsoft does it with their XBox. They try to do it with their Windows Mobile System 7 Edition thing, partially.

Re:Only Apple (1)

Princeofcups (150855) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727862)

If you'd get a normal tablet or computer, you wouldn't need to jailbreak it. Apple is moving us towards closed computer environments. If Microsoft did this everyone would be angry about it, but now that it's Apple its all fine and classy.

Most people do not want to tinker. Please get over it. The iPod, iPhone, iPad are wonderfully easy to use, and are not lacking for applications. I'm glad that MS and others are also working on similar devices, because we don't want Apple to become the mobile device monopoly like MS is in the OS arena, lest they stop innovating also. So please keep buying and supporting those non-Apple products if you prefer them. Just don't be upset if Apple happens to be the market leader.

Re:Only Apple (0)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727916)

what? When I buy a computer I buy it so that I can use it, and my usage pattern is always around writing software. If most people don't like to tinker like you are saying, then what is the problem with making the platform open in the first place, they won't 'be tinkering' then anyway, right?

The point is, if you are paying money for a piece of hardware, you should be able to do with the hardware anything you wish.

Re:Only Apple (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728008)

When I buy a computer I buy it so that I can use it, and my usage pattern is always around writing software.

Then I understand your objection to an iPad, and a MacBook might be more your style.

if you are paying money for a piece of hardware, you should be able to do with the hardware anything you wish.

Including a cable TV decoder box?

Re:Only Apple (1)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728174)

Including anything. Any piece of hardware that you buy to own belongs to you, you should be able to do with it anything you want. I know that in US there are weird laws, like DMCA, but that is an abomination, not the rule.

Re:Only Apple (0)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727920)

Just don't be upset if Apple happens to be the market leader.

People are upset because Windows is market leader. People are upset because IE is market leader. What makes Apple different?

Re:Only Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31728120)

Because Windows and IE are crap, full of security holes, don't follow industry standards, push their crap on OEMs, etc, etc. Do you really need the whole list? Are you 15?

Mistaking expansion for direction (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727890)

If you'd get a normal tablet or computer, you wouldn't need to jailbreak it. Apple is moving us towards closed computer environments.

Apple still sells laptops you know. And desktops. And the continue to improve both.

The other platforms are just as open as ever, they are not moving to a closed model.

Indeed, if Apple had done just what so many people on Slashdot demanded, and released the same OS X shipping on the laptops with an Apple app store then I could see something of a point, of a direction Apple wanted you to go that was entirely closed.

But instead they continue to do just what they have been doing, which is in ADDITION to growing an open platform, they are also growing a closed one as well so that people who gain no benefit from an open platform can gain the benefits of integration that come with a closed one.

And if in fact you thought the matter over carefully, you'd see that in fact Apple is still leaning just ever so much toward the open platform anyway since they are on the leading edge (along with Google) of full HTML 5 support on the "closed" platform that anyone can develop applications for featuring local storage, offline access, and all sorts of platform integration with things like the GPS and accelerometer...

Have you used a PC tablet? They suck! (1)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727926)

If you got a normal tablet or computer it'd suck. If I wanted that I could have, and did, buy it a decade ago. If Microsoft locked up the platform it'd be unbearable because the default platform would be so poorly designed, buggy, and lacking of basic functionality. You'd still be able to get a virus but you wouldn't be able to remove it.

The only reason to jailbreak the iPad IMO is to do connection sharing. I'd imagine the restrictions on THAT exist so that AT&T and others are willing to give such cheap data plans.

Re:Have you used a PC tablet? They suck! (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728050)

The only reason to jailbreak the iPad IMO is to do connection sharing.

That or running C64 emulators and the like that aren't locked to run a single game.

Re:Only Apple (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727928)

If you'd get a normal tablet or computer, you wouldn't need to jailbreak it.

The iPad is a convenient and stylish mobile device. It sells in a market that values style and convenience in a mobile device. The jailbreak introduces uncertainties and complications that aren't needed or welcomed here.

Re:Only Apple (1)

nEoN nOoDlE (27594) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727940)

If you want an open computer, they have them available. Purchase an android, or windows platform laptop/mobile device. The success of the iPhone and iPad shows that most people don't care about how closed their electronic devices are. Just like they wouldn't hack their toasters, most people just want to use their computer devices exactly what they were meant to be used for - in the case of the iPad - e-mail, web browsing, and watching movies through Apple approved distribution methods. If it really bothered them, they wouldn't be putting in 500 bucks (min) for their electronic toy. I hate how most anti-Apple computer people keep spouting "choice! Choice! CHOICE!" as their tag line against Apple making a closed system and as if they cared about consumer choice. The people are making their choice, you're just trying to deny Apple their choice in making a closed system that they feel people want.

As the cell phone market has shown and the iPad will show, closed systems are the only way to get wide acceptance for electronic devices. In many areas in the world, there's wider mobile phone adoption than there is PC adoption. Most people don't want to program computers, or even download and use third party software because they don't have a consistent brand identity that they trust. But guess what? Computers will always need programmers, so while there is a huge market opening up for non-programmable, content viewing devices, there will always be another smaller market for programmable, open, content creating devices. They can't close off the whole computer industry because then there will be no one to make the content they're trying to sell.

Re:Only Apple (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728108)

The people are making their choice

It's not a choice when one product monopolizes the market. I was in Best Buy a week ago (that is, pre-iPad), and I didn't see a tablet PC running Windows or Linux.

Consider this situation: I want a set-top video game system, but I also want to be able to develop mods and/or original games for it. For a long time, I have had no real choice because in the 1980s, the computing market fragmented into closed consoles on the one hand and PCs with no TV output on the other. True, TVs have caught up in the past half decade by adding VGA and HDMI inputs for PC signals, but stores like Best Buy don't appear to promote home theater PCs very well.

Re:Only Apple (0)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728076)

Or you could, you know, pay a whole $99 for the iPhone dev program, which lets you and your friends run non-Apple-approved code on up to 100 devices running the iPhone OS.

So basically you're all bemoaning the loss of all your civil liberties because it costs 99 cents to run programs you've written on a device that has a tiny share of the computing market and no one is forcing you to buy in the first place.

Re:Only Apple (1)

GaryPatterson (852699) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728110)

More trolling from sopssa.

Where is this device advertised as a general purpose computer?

It's meant to be an appliance. That's what it's advertised as. You can use it for all kinds of stuff, but it's meant to be an information appliance.

If Microsoft did this... wait - the XBox 360 is closed, the Zune is closed... so yes, Microsoft has done this. And you know what? No-one minded because those things are appliances and not meant as general purpose computers.

Is there some massive blind spot with Slashdot on this one? Anyone who posts against the iPad, no matter how logically flawed their post, is being modded up lately. Is this the backlash against Apple, as mindless as the unthinking support for Apple in the past?

Re:Only Apple (1)

Graham J - XVI (1076671) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728158)

How is this insightful? Wow, unlocked doors don't need keys? Shocking!

Re:Only Apple (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728160)

Apple is moving us towards closed computer environments.

Huh? What "us"? Apple is moving some of it's customer base to closed environments, sure, but I'm pretty sure my Linux-equipped laptop will remain perfectly open for the near future, unless Apple's insidious plan involves breaking into people's homes and replacing their gear with free iPads...

iPad Prisonraped (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31727672)

and liked it...

Doesn't surprise me. (2, Informative)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727706)

MuscleNerd is a pretty active contributor on the iPhone dev team, and has assisted significantly in finding vulnerabilities to SIM-unlock and jailbreak the iPhone with. It was only a matter of time, anyway.

Re:Doesn't surprise me. (5, Insightful)

notgm (1069012) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727858)

i would be even less surprised if some of the jailbreakers had insider information to help them unlock the apple devices. as well thought out as apple's info-release schedules are (sanctioned leaks on upcoming products?) it totally makes sense for them to have two versions of the ipad on the market:

1, typical user experience, customer buys it and it does what it says it will

2, enhanced user experience, customer buys it and hacks it to do something else

in either case, a customer buys it, and in the relatively small second subset, the group who would normally curse the company out and hold off from buying the device because it's 'crippled' actually gives apple money.

of course it was quickly broken, it's part of the dance.

seems iPad is really selling well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31728162)

and the people in this column must have been in line very early to buy one and share their insights about the iPad. And they must have been making long hours since, to be able to entertain us with their precise comparison to other devices... Sorry, I will come back after I have had the thing actually in my hands...

Still not worth purchasing (2, Insightful)

angelfly (746018) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727774)

Jailbroken or not, the iPad is still locked into Apple. There are much better alternatives to the iPad which will allow you freedom over your own device.

Re:Still not worth purchasing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31727802)

While there are alternatives, I believe your use of "better" is not only subjective, it's wrong.

Re:Still not worth purchasing (1)

angelfly (746018) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727826)

To me they're better in the sense that from the start I can do what I want with the device I paid for rather than having to jailbreak which itself allows limited freedom. I'd rather not have Apple decide what I can do with my device.

Re:Still not worth purchasing (1)

Immostlyharmless (1311531) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727828)

I don't think its wrong at all, aside from the 3G aspect of the most expensive one, my eeePC will do everything that an Ipad will do and more at half the price. It's just as portable and I have full control over it, granted, its not a touch pad, but...honestly? Big freakin' deal.

Re:Still not worth purchasing (1)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728166)

The eee PC isn't a bad platform but it's intended use and audience is nothing near the same as the iPad. THIS is why all the geeks decrying the iPad just don't get it. THIS is why most geeks can be technically good at building systems and writing software but still keep churning out crap - because they don't understand end-users. The touchscreen, accelerometer, non-PC OS, etc is exactly why the iPad is better than the eee PC.

Jailbroken locked? (2, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727850)

.Jailbroken or not, the iPad is still locked into Apple.

If it were, what would be the point?

In fact the whole point of Jailbreaking is to be able to ALSO run stuff Apple didn't approve, from Cydia or other sources.

Or to do your own development without going through Apple (though a $99/year barrier is hardly off-putting).

You can also continue to run Apple approved apps too, but it's hardly "locked" to be given a full range of options including commercial ones sold through Apple...

Re:Jailbroken locked? (2, Interesting)

angelfly (746018) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727908)

You're still bound by Apple's environment. As I said jailbreaking allows freedom but it's still limited. It's like having a laptop where you can't change your OS and in order install more applications you have to hack it.

Re:Jailbroken locked? (1)

lymond01 (314120) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728004)

So you're just looking for a piece of tablet hardware you can install random operating systems on? I guess that would be fine, as long as you use the OSes that have touchscreen controls. Maybe Android on the iPad?

Re:Jailbroken locked? (1)

angelfly (746018) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728168)

No, I'm looking for tablet hardware that let me do what I want with it. Hardware that doesn't require me to jailbreak it to install the applications I want. Even if I were a fan of the OS on it I'd still feel the same. Just like if I liked Windows I'd buy a Windows PC but wouldn't touch a computer that only ran Windows and imposed restrictions on me.

Exactly unlike (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728018)

You're still bound by Apple's environment. It's like having a laptop where you can't change your OS and in order install more applications you have to hack it.

Actually, Jailbreaking means you CAN change the core workings of the OS if you choose - you can replace any executable on the device, or (even better thanks to the Objective-C runtime) you can easy drop in replacements for individual methods in applications, commercial or built-in (like Springboard).

Your original point was "jailbroken or not", you cannot simply now stick your head in the sand and pretend it's impossible to jailbrake to proclaim of shortcomings that matter only to technical users (exactly the ones with the skills needed to jailbrake, though the iPhone tools were easy enough you didn't have to be especially technical).

Re:Exactly unlike (1)

angelfly (746018) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728126)

Actually, Jailbreaking means you CAN change the core workings of the OS if you choose - you can replace any executable on the device, or (even better thanks to the Objective-C runtime) you can easy drop in replacements for individual methods in applications, commercial or built-in (like Springboard).

You still haven't proven what I said to be wrong. You're moving within the confines of Apple.If Jailbreaking allowed the freedom I'm talking about then we'd have the ability to have Rockbox running on the iPhone and iPad.

Re:Still not worth purchasing (1)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728100)

Name one other tablet that has as good of hardware specs and an environment that is as easy to use for the normal consumer. Linux -- umm no, Windows -- worse, Mac OS -- nope still a crappy PC OS, Sugar -- haha horrible, Android -- promising but no. I've used, and programmed for, most platforms including mobile platforms. They don't compare. If you're only standard is the 'freedom' of your platform then you can just boot up a 30lb clunker with a 10 minute battery life and boot FreeDOS I guess.

Can you name such an alternative? (0)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728142)

There are much better alternatives to the iPad which will allow you freedom over your own device.

I have money burning a hole in my pocket, and I feel like voting with my wallet. Can you recommend a brand of tablet PC, with a screen comparable to that of the iPad (that is, bigger than an iPhone-sized Android phone), without cryptographic software lockdown, and around the $500 price range or below?

LOCKED!! IT'S FOR YOUR OWN FUCKING GOOD!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31727800)

If it weren't for Apple and Steve you'd all be owned by some commie mobster by now. Thank Apple, and THANK YOU STEVE JOBS!!

Re: LOCKED!! IT'S FOR YOUR OWN FUCKING GOOD!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31727942)

Perfect example for why Slashdot needs a "-1 WTF" mod.

Honestly... (2, Insightful)

nhytefall (1415959) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727852)

why do we care?

People who buy this device are buying into the environment created for the device by Apple. As such, someone gaining root access to the device that Apple will analyze and patch, and you *still* won't be able to use the app store for... seems like a waste.

So, I ask again... why do we care?

Re:Honestly... (1)

f3rret (1776822) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727918)

You can still use the app store on a jailbroken iPad, well you can on an iPhone anyhow.

As for why we care, I don't really know. I mean personally I always like seeing big corporations fail at stuff (in this case protecting the 'sanctity' of their stuff) but this sort of thing does seem a mite irrelevant to me as well.

Also your signature is awfully hostile.

This is why we care. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31727936)

Apple is good at marketing to the hipster market. Each hipster has a large supply of money they can spend, but didn't actually work for. It mainly comes from each hipster's parents and/or trust funds.

Now, Apple has gotten a lot of money from these hipsters in the past, and will likely get more in the future. This makes it look like their ideas are "good" to the executives at competing manufacturers, even when they're very fucked ideas (you know, like closed platforms).

After seeing Apple's success, HP, Dell, Google, Microsoft and others will try to emulate it by producing their own shitty tablets built upon closed platforms with shitty "app stores" and all of that crap. So now when you go to buy a computer, you'll get stuck dealing with all this nonsense.

You won't be able to buy an open tablet, all thanks to Apple and their success tricking their competitors into thinking that closed-platforms are the way to go.

Re:Honestly... (1, Insightful)

angelfly (746018) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727978)

I care because these types of devices are Apples attempt to move computing in a direction where they have total control.

Nerds!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31727870)

@:

Looks Good for Porn (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31727968)

It's probably good for browsing porn. I hate always having to boot a full OS for just to browse porn. It looks super portable too, so I'd be able to browse porn from just about anywhere. It has a fairly big screen, which would be good for browsing porn. And good battery life so I could browse porn for long periods of time. The touch screen is nice, so I'd be able to touch the porn I'm browsing. It has good Internets connections, so I'd be able to browse lots of porn fast. I don't think it's good for much else. I think I'm sold.

ho-hum (1)

pubwvj (1045960) | more than 4 years ago | (#31727990)

Non-issue. The iPad is a tool to get my work done. Quite useful.

Tether to iPhone (1)

CompressedAir (682597) | more than 4 years ago | (#31728178)

Well, that didn't take long!

When I can tether the $499 iPad with my iPhone, I'll probably get one to replace my Acer Aspire One.

I have the money for the 3g version, but the idea of paying for two unlimited data plans is just offensive to me.

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