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Groklaw Will Be Archived At Library of Congress

kdawson posted about 4 years ago | from the history's-judgement-on-darl dept.

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inode_buddha writes "Groklaw has just received an invitation to be archived in the Library of Congress. In true FOSS style, PJ has decided to ask all the contributors and commenters if they wish to be included, since commenters own the copyrights on their comments. So far, the answer seems to be 'yes,' even for Anonymous Cowards. It's a great honor for Groklaw, but one wonders how many AC's there are, and whether Congress or future researchers would think that they are all one person."

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Congrats (5, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 4 years ago | (#31754666)

I give my congratulations to PJ. She has done a remarkable service and has proven the Internet's power for citizen advocacy, education and activism. Her success can be measured by just how much her enemies tried to, and in some cases still try to discredit her.

Re:Congrats (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31755390)

The United States Library of Congress has selected your Web site for inclusion in its historic collections of Internet materials related to Legal Blawgs.

Best typo ever.

Re:Congrats (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31755470)

The United States Library of Congress has selected your Web site for inclusion in its historic collections of Internet materials related to Legal Blawgs.

Best typo ever.

You might want to reconsider your assertion about the alleged typo. It seems the spelling has been used previously. http://www.blawg.com

Re:Congrats (4, Informative)

msclrhd (1211086) | about 4 years ago | (#31755908)

It comes from the pronunciation of "blogs" in some accents:
    * /blA.gz/ -- the 'o' is pronounced the same as in "b(o)ther", where "f(a)ther" and "b(o)ther" are pronounced differently (e.g. British Accents) [to pronounce this, pronounce it as the "ah" in "f(a)ther", but round the lips like in "b(oo)k" and keep it a short sound]
    * /blA:gz/ -- the 'o' is pronounced the same as "f(a)ther", where "f(a)ther" and "b(o)ther" are pronounced the same (e.g. some American Accents)
    * /blOgz/ -- the 'o' is pronounced the same as "m(ore)" (e.g. some American Accents)

The /blOgz/ pronunciation gets transliterated as "blawgs". Therefore, it is a transliteration of that accent and not a typo. It was probably chosen for this and (as people on Groklaw have noted) that it contains the word "law" in it.

c.f. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonological_history_of_English_low_back_vowels [wikipedia.org]

NOTE: I am using Kirshenbaum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirshenbaum) as /. does not accept Unicode IPA characters.

Re:Congrats (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31759518)

This was a little too mildly interesting for its being wildly off-topic. (Apparently, mods disagreed.)

Re:Congrats (1)

RMS Eats Toejam (1693864) | about 4 years ago | (#31757546)

Where else but Slashdot is shameless ass-kissing considered insightful? Her enemies, a word that helps you feel like you are part of some epic battle of good vs evil, don't discredit her because she spends her free time regurgitating legal documents. Rather it's because she's a well known Linux zealot. While you are well entitled to worship who you please, it's pretty twisted to turn dislike for those such as yourself into proof of victory. Just know that it doesn't go unnoticed.

Re:Congrats (1)

Barsteward (969998) | about 4 years ago | (#31758760)

Hey!! Is that you, Rob Enderle?? We need PJ to start a GROKGOD and then maybe we can get rid of another but bigger con....

Re:Congrats (1)

rjamestaylor (117847) | about 4 years ago | (#31760066)

I too offer my congratulations to PJ and the hard working Groklaw community. When I started reading her blog in the Spring of 2003 there was a lot of confusion as to the future of Linux and even the GPL. How a company that owed it's existence to Linux and the GPL (I'm referring to Caldera which became The SCO Group) could turn on the whole community as it did was a dark time in business.

Of course nearly every claim was proven false (with the possible exception of errno.h and some drivers submitted by SGI, IIRC) due to the unrelenting research by PJ and so many others in the Groklaw community. She and they proved that an open community can be more powerful than elite lawyers and companies funded by deep pockets.

This work truly belongs in the LOC and should be studied and emulated.

Give generated IDs to anonymous cowards (1)

unity100 (970058) | about 4 years ago | (#31754670)

ie through a script :

Anonymous Coward 138513

Anonymous Coward 138514

Anonymous Coward 138514
................

Anonymous Coward whatever

Re:Give generated IDs to anonymous cowards (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31754730)

Or just prevent people contributing anonymously unless they give unconditional licence to reuse the prose, and affirm that they both own the content or have been granted permission to use it, or have fair use to it, under current copyright law.

[This comment (c) 2010, Anonymous Coward #1123581321]

Re:Give generated IDs to anonymous cowards (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | about 4 years ago | (#31755218)

Or just prevent people contributing anonymously unless they give unconditional licence to reuse the prose, and affirm that they both own the content or have been granted permission to use it, or have fair use to it, under current copyright law.

Or just apply creative commons, with an attribution state.

Re:Give generated IDs to anonymous cowards (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31756122)

And what about all the people she "anonymised" when she deleted their accounts, but not their comments?

(most notably John Gabriel, but others as well.)

Re:Give generated IDs to anonymous cowards (1)

SmoothTom (455688) | about 4 years ago | (#31758974)

An additional problem with a good number of the earlier "Anonymous" posts is that they were originally owned by and identified to their copyright owners with the use of the Groklaw User IDs. In 2004, PJ went through a purge of a number of folks she disagreed with, deleted their users accounts, and all of their comments were instantly anonymized with no chance of recovery.

PJ's essentially removing the copyright identification from those thousands of posts caused a bit of upset from those who felt that by removing the only copyright information from the posts by replacing the name in the headers with "Anonymous" overstepped ethical bounds.

My standing with those who felt she had overstepped by doing that is the reason my original "Tomas" ID ( http://www.groklaw.net/users.php?mode=profile&uid=2502 [groklaw.net] )was banned from Groklaw. I've done very little posting under my replacement ID.

--Tomas

What shallI do? (3, Funny)

bogaboga (793279) | about 4 years ago | (#31754678)

I contributed several comments to Groklaw but those comments I lifted from a number of Slashdotters. How do I handle that? I just want to do the right thing.

Re:What shallI do? (4, Funny)

RichardJenkins (1362463) | about 4 years ago | (#31756034)

The right thing is obviously to sue the true rights holders in a protracted and monumentally expensive legal battle dragging your name through the mud and ultimately making a complete ass of yourself, after artificially inflating your stock price for a little while.

Re:What shallI do? (4, Funny)

RockDoctor (15477) | about 4 years ago | (#31757316)

The right thing is obviously to sue the true rights holders in a protracted and monumentally expensive legal battle dragging your name through the mud and ultimately making a complete ass of yourself, after artificially inflating your stock price for a little while.

There is a man in Utah (I think) who is interested in your plan and wishes to invest his unemployment benefits in suing you for infringement of his patents. Call Darl@mcdonalds.ut.us

Re:What shallI do? (1)

bain_online (580036) | about 4 years ago | (#31758216)

And start second version of Groklaw to cover related news and allow AC comments and ... well this can go on for ever!!!!

I AM ANONYMOUS COWARD! (1)

VojakSvejk (315965) | about 4 years ago | (#31754704)

I am anonymous coward!

Aw, hell

And by the way, omniscient slashdot filter, I WAS YELLING

Re:I AM ANONYMOUS COWARD! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31754978)

No, I'm anonymous coward!

Dude (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31755030)

Dude, I've got a split personality!

Also, I vote for yes.

Re:Dude (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31755158)

I vote no. Slashdot shall now never enter the LoC!

Re:I AM ANONYMOUS COWARD! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31759642)

Article summary:

It's a great honor for Groklaw, but one wonders how many AC's there are, and whether Congress or future researchers would think that they are all one person."

He's not?! Thank God for that!

I was damn sure I hadn't made all those inane comments and trolls, but I figured I'd been very, *very* drunk at the time.

Frist Comment ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31754752)

Great ... now we can all be Cowardly counted as +1

One LoC + x (2, Funny)

Reason58 (775044) | about 4 years ago | (#31754792)

This is going to throw off my entire measurement system. What's the size of a Groklaw so I can add that in?

The Legend of AC (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31754880)

The slayer of DC, the one with the ginormous anus, out of which plopped Obama for many consecutive days...

BOW DOWN! NOW!

People are often dumb, but... (4, Funny)

Angst Badger (8636) | about 4 years ago | (#31754918)

It's a great honor for Groklaw, but one wonders how many AC's there are, and whether Congress or future researchers would think that they are all one person.

I rather doubt many future researchers would think that "Anonymous Coward" is one person, though I can't speak for members of Congress. I can certainly imagine Ted Stevens talking about the tremendously prolific output of A. Coward flowing through a series of tubes....

Re:People are often dumb, but... (1)

Meshach (578918) | about 4 years ago | (#31755018)

I agree it is fairly self-explanatory that "Anonymous Coward" is not one person. Anyone conducting research with the Groklaw archives that assumes it is a single entity deserves whatever convoluted results they obtain.

Re:People are often dumb, but... (1)

bughunter (10093) | about 4 years ago | (#31755364)

An AC is not just a person, it's "something the size of a baby hippo, the color of a week-old boiled potato, that lives by itself, in the dark, in a double-wide on the outskirts of Tacoma. It's covered with eyes and it sweats constantly. The sweat runs into those eyes and makes them sting. It has no mouth... abraded genitals, and can only express its mute extremes of murderous rage and infantile desire by banging out trolls and flamebait on its wireless keyboard."

(With apologies to William Gibson [voidspace.org.uk] and Cory Doctorow [boingboing.net] )

Re:People are often dumb, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31757416)

An AC is not just a person, it's "something the size of a baby hippo, the color of a week-old boiled potato, that lives by itself, in the dark, in a double-wide on the outskirts of Tacoma. It's covered with eyes and it sweats constantly. The sweat runs into those eyes and makes them sting. It has no mouth... abraded genitals, and can only express its mute extremes of murderous rage and infantile desire by banging out trolls and flamebait on its wireless keyboard."

Actually, I am, by profession, a mirror.

Mr. Anonymous Coward (1)

49152 (690909) | about 4 years ago | (#31754942)

"It's a great honor for Groklaw, but one wonders how many AC's there are, and whether Congress or future researchers would think that they are all one person."

That would be one seriously disturbed person ;-) The future psychologists will have a field day analyzing this guy!

Re:Mr. Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31754998)

I resent that!

Oh, wait, I guess I don't.

I hereby... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31754994)

... give permission for all my comments to be archived without limitations.

Yours truly,

Anonymous Coward

Now slashdot won't have to worry about that in the unlikely case anybody ever finds its contents useful enough to preserve them for future generations.

Re:I hereby... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31759014)

I have to disagree with myself here. I think I'm just being a complete ass in doing this. Putting things out there for all the world to see...

Who does that?

Pfft!

Please don't listen to my other personalities. They're all crazy.

And the Smithsonian is planning an exhibit of ... (2, Funny)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 4 years ago | (#31755062)

... the mummified head of Daryl McBride on a pike.

You toss in a quarter, and the head screams "I'll swallow your code! I'll swallow your code!," whilst you get to whack at it with a chainsaw and plink it with the shotgun out of the Smithsonian Housewares exhibit, and taunt it with Bruce Campbell grimaces.

Slashdot? (3, Insightful)

adenied (120700) | about 4 years ago | (#31755140)

Perhaps Slashdot should be included. But as a counter example.

I keed I keed. You guys are all great! Except for the ones who aren't.

Actually I got suckered into reading user comments on CNN.com the other day. Makes Slashdot look like powerful scholars who by all rights should be in charge of the playground. Not mopping up the melting snow with their ratty jackets.

Damnit. I really do love you guys!

Re:Slashdot? (1)

gangien (151940) | about 4 years ago | (#31755374)

Actually I got suckered into reading user comments on CNN.com the other day.

I had this happen too. I feel your pain my /. brother.

Re:Slashdot? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 4 years ago | (#31759016)

Perhaps Slashdot should be included. But as a counter example.

But then if a slashdot post refers to a Library of Congress as a unit for measuring data, that actual post will change the definition of a LoC so the LoC could never be meaningful on slashdot anymore.

Anonymous Coward Comment Ownership (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31755152)

I think you can assume that Anonymous Cowards implicitly disclaim any ownership of their post by disassociating themselves from their identity. Then again, so far as I know, copyright ownership can't be lost implicitly. By the way, this comment is hereby placed in the public domain.

Re:Anonymous Coward Comment Ownership (2, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 4 years ago | (#31755722)

By the way, this comment is hereby placed in the public domain.

And Google will be charge $1.99 for each access to it.

Re:Anonymous Coward Comment Ownership (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31756936)

You can assume that Anonymous Cowards implicitly disclaim any ownership of their post by disassociating themselves from their identity. Then again, so far as I know, copyright ownership can't be lost implicitly.

This comment is Copyright (C) Demonic Slashdot Posters, Inc. 2010, All rights reserved. You may not reproduce or transmit any part of this work in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, including photocopying, recording, or by any information storage or retrieval system, without prior written consent of the copyright owner and the publisher.

Size of Groklaw archive (5, Funny)

Curate (783077) | about 4 years ago | (#31755274)

Does anyone know just how big the Groklaw archive is, anyway? Please answer in units of Libraries of Congresses, or LOCs. And how big will it be, in LOCs, after it gets added? And how big is the actual Library of Congress, in LOCs, both before and after the addition? I'd prefer it in metric LOCs (being Canadian), but I can convert from imperial LOCs if necessary. Thanks.

Re:Size of Groklaw archive (4, Informative)

Pop69 (700500) | about 4 years ago | (#31755594)

Isn't it obvious that the Library of Congress is always equal to one LOC ?

Your mistake is thinking that one LOC is a constant

Famous ACs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31755286)

It was only recently discovered that the Federalist Papers were actually written by the Founding Fathers. Until now, those might have been the nation's most famous ACs.

Re:Famous ACs (3, Interesting)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | about 4 years ago | (#31755586)

That's not quite true. Even shortly after the Federalist Papers came out the set of authors was narrowed down quite a bit by intelligent speculation. Hamilton, John Jay and Madison were all named as possible authors (and in fact they were the three authors). After Hamilton died, documents in his possession showed that he was definitely an author and indicated that Madison was also an author. Moreover, there's a fair bit of evidence that when the essays were initially published, many people involved with the publishing and proof-reading knew who the authors were. What is more accurate is that it wasn't until much more modern work by historian Douglass Adair that we had a very good idea which were authored by which of the three. However, even that was well-established by 1970. So the comparison to AC is interesting but not so accurate.

Re:Famous ACs (2)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | about 4 years ago | (#31755606)

Sorry, and one other important detail: After Hamilton's death, Madison publicly acknowledged that he and Hamilton were primary authors. He also confirmed the then also deceased Jay's authorship and gave a complete list of who wrote which (although Hamilton's personal list had some contradictions with Madison's list).

Censorship (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31755654)

PJ is notorious for censoring comments that she doesn't like. For instance, any reference to AllParadox will get your comment removed.

It is PJ's blog and she can do what she likes but it isn't nearly as transparent as she would have us believe. It would be nice if they could restore the censored comments and archive those too.

Really? Whining about moderation? (0, Troll)

symbolset (646467) | about 4 years ago | (#31757118)

Do you really think they're browsing about the Internet up at the Library of Congress looking to archive the unmoderated drivel that is a slashdot, digg, 4chan or fark thread? Really?

<sigh> some days I wonder how some of you ACs managed to get your screensaver turned off so you can post this crap.

Re:Really? Whining about moderation? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 4 years ago | (#31759040)

Well you got modded down as you presumably intended but your post is still going to be archived. I like the fact that short of extreme measures from the CoS and dodgy database design posts on /. stay there forever.

I didn't like the ability of editors to delete posts from Technocrat yet I posted there. I don't like it on boing boing either.

A moderation system is a better way to suppress posts.

Re:Really? Whining about moderation? (1)

symbolset (646467) | about 4 years ago | (#31760118)

Of course. I love that posts are persistent here on slashdot. It's an elegant solution to a lot of problems. I just don't think it's the only answer.

I like that things are done differently in other places too. Not everybody has to do everything the same way. Part of going to Groklaw is that you accept that PJ's moderation system is arbitrary and capricious. It has made for a good quality website, if not so full of hidden surprises of slashdot's "wild west" method, at least with less unpleasantness.

One giant I Told You So (1)

NZheretic (23872) | about 4 years ago | (#31755852)

SCO Group copyright claims:
9th June 2003 What evidence of origin,ownership,copyright + GPL [slashdot.org]
And soon SCO Group Vs IBM:
12th June 2003 The Trillian Project : Proof of SCO's actions [lwn.net]

"Now there is one element of OpenServer that is not coming over, we don't the IP, we just own all the right to distribution, ongoing development for the open server, and that has to tax and other considerations"

Random Love, CEO Caldera, keynote address,LINUXWORLD 2000 conference, August

No New Groklaw Accounts = Anonymous Cowards (2, Informative)

DodgeRules (854165) | about 4 years ago | (#31756282)

Reguarding the Anonymous Cowards comment, PJ had disabled new accounts so it is currently impossible for anyone to create one. All new users have no choice BUT to be anonymous. Some also prefer NOT to be anonymous, but their accounts were disabled/deleted because they posted a serious comment that was against popular opinion and labeled a troll. That isn't to say there aren't a lot of trolls there, because there are.

As an anonymous... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31756326)

It is my firm belief that all anonymous posts are public domain.

It is precisely like someone shouting in a square -- and that's why I always choose to go anonymous.

I want what I say to be judged on its own merits -- praised or rejected, whatever.

That /. in practice relegated ACs to oblivion looks like totally idiotic to me (though I recognize jerks usually post anonymously)... we need a better system.

Karma is only desired by those who must collect it with daily zeal; the truly enlightened, by the proper definition of the word, don't want karma.

(I apologize for the hubris shown).

hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31756510)

I wonder how many Libraries of Congress fit in there.

But I thought.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31756592)

but one wonders how many AC's there are, and whether Congress or future researchers would think that they are all one person."

I thought I was a collective, you know... like the Borg

Anonymous Coward AGAIN??? (1)

hyades1 (1149581) | about 4 years ago | (#31756824)

If future researchers decided that "Anonymous Coward" was one person, how could they help but wonder at the popularity of "Apple/Microsoft/Linux Fanboi", whom AC constantly orders to "suck this".

I get around... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31756880)

There is only one Anonymous Coward and I am very busy.

HooRah! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31756904)

I started following GrokLaw as a newbie to network admin as it started, kinda mortified as to the idea that the whole Open Source creative system was open to not a technical attack, but a legal attack that kinda obscured the origins of the code being created. Our main server was set up by a kid who had had a project in college to create a web/file/print/dns/etc. server using this new OS called Linux. Which he did for us, and I inherited- worked great. I redid it several times, now run OpenSuse for grins. The learning curve was helped along thru the local LUG.

I was new to the open source prospects, and putting into place many great products that I found, windows based as well as Linux. This attack seemed to set the whole movement back a bit, but in the meantime I kept watch on GrokLaw for liability purposes.

PJ does deserve a spot in the National Archives. Brilliant reporting and analysis, curing that problem of tech getting attacked via legal obscurity. It was a real job.

We tend to forget that technology gets better thru the enthusiast's working in the garages, and sometimes companies will fight for their base as last resort.

Anonymous Coward

Under which license? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 years ago | (#31758486)

This should be interesting.

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