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Sony Update Bricks Playstations

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the when-upgrades-are-downgrades dept.

Bug 510

Stoobalou writes "A controversial update which was seeded by Sony in order to remove the ability to run Linux on the Playstation 3 games console has caused a storm of complaints. The 3.21 firmware upgrade, which removes the security hole provided by the 'Install Other OS' widget used by lots of educational institutions and hackers alike, also removes the console's ability to play games... turning it into a very expensive doorstop."

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Par for the course? (4, Interesting)

bjourne (1034822) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760034)

So is there any console or other electronic gadget you can buy nowadays which does not include forced locked own firmware updates that has the possibility of breaking it? Both Xbox360 and the Wii are just as locked down as the PS3.

Re:Par for the course? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760070)

Both Xbox360 and the Wii are just as locked down as the PS3.

Is that why there's a massive piracy scene for the first two, and zero piracy on the PS3?

Re:Par for the course? (4, Interesting)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760148)

No, there is one word to explain that: blu-ray. It's the same reason there as very little DVD movie piracy in the mid-late 90's (very few people had burners and security cracks yet).

Re:Par for the course? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760190)

I don't agree, I think it has to do with videogame piracy, not movie. You can already rip Blu-Ray with a drive cheaper than a PS3. It is EASIER on the PS3, of course.

Re:Par for the course? (1)

HAKdragon (193605) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760406)

All PS3 games that ship on disc ship on Blu-ray.

Re:Par for the course? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760218)

It's because PS3 hasn't been cracked, you dufus.

Re:Par for the course? (5, Insightful)

marcansoft (727665) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760360)

No, there are two words to explain that: Other OS. Check out this table [marcansoft.com] (slightly outdated, it's a year old or so) by console hacker Michael Steil (or watch him talk about it on any of his talks). Every console post-PS2 was hacked for homebrew, and then those hacks were abused for piracy. The PS3 comes with homebrew, therefore there is little motivation to crack the native system. Pro-piracy people are rarely good hackers, and need homebrew to piggyback on. In fact, the reason the PS3 was recently attacked was neither homebrew nor piracy; instead, geohot attacked it solely as an ego boost and to get media coverage (note how he hasn't even tried to develop a useful application for his exploit, such as GPU access under Linux).

Blu-ray is a minor inconvenience. There are a myriad potential ways of copying PS3 games that don't involve blu-ray discs.

Sony are shooting themselves in the foot by removing Other OS, and pissing off legitimate customers on top of it.

not a stationary though, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760080)

Re:not a stationary though, but (3, Funny)

PalmKiller (174161) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760240)

He wasn't talking about the vapor-hardware gaming consoles called Pandora, I think he meant one you can actually use. Hey maybe Pandora will release with a copy of Duke Nukem Forever.

Re:Par for the course? (5, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760214)

Yes. In addition to a PS3, X360, and Wii there's also the iPhone and iPad that can be bricked via forced updates. Also certain DVRs and Bluray/HDDVD gadgets. I've also heard complaints about DTVpals being bricked by the Dish Company's updates.

And my response?

- Call Sony to demand restitution for the PS3 they broke.
- Wait.
- If no response to repair or replace the broken PS3, then I'd buy a new PS3 from some store (like amazon or walmart), put the bricked one inside the box, then return it as defective ("It just won't turn on. No I don't want an exchange; I want a refund."). The store would eventually return it to Sony who would have to deal with the property THEY destroyed.

Re:Par for the course? (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760298)

Ooops. I just noticed I didn't answer your question. I'm not aware of any gadgets you can buy New which does not have firmware. Of course you always have the possibility of simply not updating your TV or DVR or Bluray Player so it can't be bricked, but you also run the risk of not being able to play some new Blurays that require the latest firmware. (There's also talk of blocking output to the Component Video cables.)

Older gadgets don't have firmware. For example the Super VHS I bought a few months ago has no firmware. It also ignores those "Don't record" digital content flags buried in some signals. I like it.

Re:Par for the course? (1)

Alphathon (1634555) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760386)

Well, technically it does have firmware, it's just not updatable. Firmware is just integrated, usually small, system software.

Re:Par for the course? (4, Informative)

bami (1376931) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760338)

"put the bricked one inside the box, then return it as defective"

That's fraud, also, I think they print the serial of the PS3 on the receipt so they wont match when returning it.

Re:Par for the course? (4, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760510)

>>>That's fraud

Yes it IS fraud for Sony (or any other company) to destroy people's personal property. As I said I would follow proper procedure and give Sony an opportunity to do the right thing (repair/replace), but if they don't I will not just sit on the property THEY destroyed and do nothing.

I'm tired of corporations running over citizens as if they were smashed squirrels on the road to wealth. Oh and also dipping into taxpayer wallets by giving themselves free handouts (Congressional bills). I will do what I feel is necessary to protect myself from loss.

Re:Par for the course? (4, Informative)

Sporkinum (655143) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760546)

Not only that, it's primarily fat PS3's that are bricking. I don't think they sell those anymore.

Re:Par for the course? (1)

penguinboy (35085) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760216)

Apple does not force iPhone and iPod updates.

Re:Par for the course? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760284)

That's true. They charge for them ;-p

Re:Par for the course? (4, Interesting)

tagno25 (1518033) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760250)

I cannot brick my Android phone. Event deleting the firmware it still boots to the flash loader.

Re:Par for the course? (1)

chuckhriczko (1781584) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760432)

Well, once rooted you can't brick it. However, until you flash the recovery image theoretically it can still be bricked. Besides, even with the recovery image flashed flashing a bad radio image can brick it too. But for the most part your right. The point is though that you still need to root the device in the first place. The only devices I know of that you can flash anything you want on right from the get go are OpenMoko phones.

Re:Par for the course? (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760410)

So is there any console or other electronic gadget you can buy nowadays which does not include forced locked own firmware updates that has the possibility of breaking it?

So far, the PC's I put together from parts don't have forced locked down firmware updates.

Seriously, this locked-down stuff is going to kill everything many of us love about computers, gaming, etc.

Does anyone out there doubt that at some point the iMac is going to be locked down to only allow apps via some iTunes like channel?

Why do Sony, Apple, and many others hate freedom?

Re:Par for the course? (1)

Saint Gerbil (1155665) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760556)

Freedom is the not "best" way to maximise profits.
I can understand why they do it but they are cutting their own throats by pissing off the legitimate buyer\owner.

Re:Par for the course? (0)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760580)

>>>Does anyone out there doubt that at some point the iMac is going to be locked down

Nah. Apple won't go that route. They'll just make it so you can't run any of their programs unless you have 10.6 (the latest OS). If you have an older computer that won't run 10.6 due to not enough RAM or not megahertz, then you'll just have to buy a new one.

I suspect it's only a matter of time until MS does the same, although pressure from the business segment will probably keep XP alive a long, long time.

Just like every other FW update they do (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760042)

Yes, every single system update brings out dozens of "complaints" how it bricked their system. You'll note the very low number of posts against each of these user in the forums too, creating their account to troll or complain is the question? You get the same thing when major games are released. Trolls or genuine reports has never been determined because no one ever follows up the complaints with real people to determine validity, but nevertheless, people write these problems "stories".

Re:Just like every other FW update they do (2, Insightful)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760106)

I would wager that the false positive reports balance with the false negatives. (ie, your trolls vs the unreported angry people)

Bitter Xbox Fanboys Over The RRoD Fiasco (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760272)

"You'll note the very low number of posts against each of these user in the forums too"

Every major PS3 firmware update and game release has pathetic and desperate Xbox fanboys racing to console forums creating dummy accounts making up inane stories about bricked PS3s.

Owning the worst console in history, the Xbox 360 and its unprecedented garbage hardware, has created a bunch of foaming at the mouth nutcases desperate to smear other consoles in hopes it will somehow salvage the reputation of their piece of crap Xbox 360s.

Re:Bitter Xbox Fanboys Over The RRoD Fiasco (4, Funny)

wjousts (1529427) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760342)

a bunch of foaming at the mouth nutcases desperate to smear other consoles.

Pot calling kettle, come in kettle.

Re:Bitter Xbox Fanboys Over The RRoD Fiasco (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760566)

What's that you fucking faggot? A cocksucking Xbot trying to talk shit about console reliability?

Get the fuck off this site you piece of garbage. The gaming world hates you and your piece of shit console.

Doorstop? (3, Funny)

bytethese (1372715) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760046)

Clearly the article said it turned it into an expensive brick!

Re:Doorstop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760332)

In college I used to have a brick as a doorstop. We would use household objects for anything! When combined, the value of the objects become greater than the sum it's parts (such as a funnel and rubber hose).

Re:Doorstop? (1)

Rob the Bold (788862) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760370)

Clearly the article said it turned it into an expensive brick!

But a brick that can still contribute to your electric bill.

Re:Doorstop? (1)

sirlatrom (1162081) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760416)

The brick can easily be turned into two doorstops by slicing it diagonally. Easy!

This always happens (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760052)

Over the life of my PS3, updates have commonly caused severe issues. I've had to reformat the hard drive several times and I even had to send it in to be "repaired" after updating. Sony really needs to work on not breaking their own system.

Re:This always happens (5, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760234)

The problem is that Sony cares way more about locking down and commoditizing their media content with DRM and "security meseasures" than they do about their customers (one of the inherent problems of having a hardware maker who is also a media producer). They're not alone on that (MS and Nintendo are hardly open themselves), but they do seem much more obsessed about it than just about anyone else--short of maybe Apple.

The problem is that Sony doesn't seem to be thinking much about the fact that their media is only worth something in the first place BECAUSE of their customers. And, if they're not careful, they could very easily lose their balance and fall. After all, the perfect way to produce a piracy-proof blu-ray of a movie or videogame is to simply release it as a blank disc. But no one is going to buy it then, are they?

Re:This always happens (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760378)

I wonder why in the good old lawsuit happy usa nobody has yet brought up a case against sony for removing an advertised feature after the purchase.

Re:This always happens (4, Insightful)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760256)

In this respect, even Microsoft does a better job. They have to update a more sophisticated operating system that runs on a HUGE variety of systems and processors. Sony knows 100% the exact software and hardware they are updating on, and 100% of the software that will run on the console, yet they can't manage an update without borking somebody's box. If they worried more about quality than piracy or someone running linux on their hardware, they might actually be able to produce a decent product some day.

Shiny Doorstop (1)

CoolSilver (794518) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760058)

I bet the shine will fade faster being a doorstop being kicked around than sitting on the shelf sucking up dust.

I hereby call the doorstop feature, the Sony Effect.

interesting... (2, Interesting)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760062)

Sony shoots one foot while trying to shoot the other...

I don't really have much to add that doesn't get beaten-to-death any other time Sony is brought up.

Go Away Troll (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760424)

Honestly dude. Get a life...

Haven't Installed it (3, Informative)

j33px0r (722130) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760068)

I use the PS3 to play games so I typically don't mess with the online stuff or updates until I'm really bored of a game. Laziness pays off this time!

Re:Haven't Installed it (4, Informative)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760122)

It's fine if you want to play games. And the update is required if you want to play online games.

Both my and my flatmate's PS3 went through the update with no problems. It only becomes a "very expensive doorstop" if you don't use it to play games, or watch DVDs and blu-rays, the article is a bit flamebaitish because we already knew this would happen, and the update has a page which specifically informs you about the removal of the Other OS feature and then confirms (I think twice) that you really want to go through with it.

Re:Haven't Installed it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760222)

RTFA

"Some users are reporting infinite loops where the installation routine never completes, others are complaining about the inability to use a variety of different controllers during the process."

this is not a case of 'it won't let me run linux any more' this is a case of 'it won't let me play games or watch DVDs and blu-rays'

Re:Haven't Installed it (3, Insightful)

jimicus (737525) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760238)

TFA didn't dwell on the "removes other OS" feature - that was already well known.

TFA explained that the update tended to stop the affected units from doing anything useful - eg. playing games, connecting to the Internet. Which I'm sure does have the side effect that installing an alternate OS will no longer work, but I don't think this is quite how most people interpreted Sony's original description.

Re:Haven't Installed it (4, Informative)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760346)

TFA explained that the update tended to stop the affected units from doing anything useful - eg. playing games, connecting to the Internet. Which I'm sure does have the side effect that installing an alternate OS will no longer work, but I don't think this is quite how most people interpreted Sony's original description.

The article says that is the case for people who have not installed the update. That has been the case every time Sony releases an update (apart from a couple of non essential updates such as the one that updated the slideshow facility). It is not news.

The only real bit of news in there is that some people are experiencing infinite loops in the update process, which does suck.

Re:Haven't Installed it (1)

AntiNazi (844331) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760278)

I know this is /. but you didn't even read the summary. You won't be using it to do those things if you have the issue the article is discussing because the device will be malfunctioning. I doubt that "we already knew this would happen."

Re:Haven't Installed it (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760400)

Will be malfunctioning? My PS3 and my flatmate's are both working fine. No doubt there is a very vocal minority who are experiencing problems, but it is definitely not breaking PS3s across the board. Both of our PS3s are still working fine at full res via HDMI to our HDTVs and hi-fi system.

We already knew that installing the update would cause Other OS to not function.

We already knew that not installing the update would disable online capabilities, including certain games.

Re:Haven't Installed it (1)

idontgno (624372) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760498)

But the thing NO ONE expected (asides from the Spanish Inquisition) is that legitimate Fat PS3s would be rendered non-functional (stuck in upgrade infinite loops, for instance). "Bricking" in the parlance. (And yes, there is a trollish minority that insists it's not really "bricked" unless it's utterly unrecoverable. We're aware of your position. We just understand that you're wrong.)

Anyway, only the most pessimistic would believe in advance that Sony would be so careless with a firmware update that it would effectively punish a vocal minority of those who would actually choose to toe the company line.

I'm inclined to attribute this outcome to Sony's incompetence, rather than some malicious and evil genius, because punishing those who choose to obey your dictates ("Upgrade OR BE DAMNED!") is stupid by any measure.

Re:Haven't Installed it (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760292)

It appears that you only lose the ability to play games (Online ones) and Blu-Rays if you DON'T install the upgrade.

The article doesn't indicate that anyone has lost this functionality as a result of the upgrade.

Re:Haven't Installed it (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760486)

Actually the first paragraph does. It is very poorly worded:

The 3.21 firmware upgrade, which removes the security hole provided by the 'Install Other OS' widget used by lots of educational institutions and hackers alike, also removes the console's ability to play games or connect to the Interweb according to forum posts, turning it into a very expensive doorstop.

Emphasis mine. There is no also about it. The two outcomes are mutually exclusive depending on whether or not you install the update.

It is always the case that if you don't install a required system updated, that you can no longer use online features. I've got no idea why some users are saying that their PS3 suddenly "refuses to play or eject blu-ray discs" though. With the standard of reporting in the article I wouldn't be surprised if one person has had a hardware failure in his optical drive and then has reported that this is a result of not installing the update, which is complete BS.

Re:Haven't Installed it (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760320)

I'm sorry but you do realize that by "online stuff" people mean "playing games", right?

For example, my copies of Warhawk, SOCOM and MAG all very much appreciate being online.

PS my PS3, an original fat 60GB model (now a 320GB model not that its relevant) went through the update fine.

Not Bricked But.... (5, Insightful)

p1r4t3 (1139441) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760072)

Ever since the update I've had issues with games freezing up on me. I haven't noticed any real slow down of the net connection or any issues with PSN. But if this is a ploy by Sony to get me to give up my thick PS3 that has the ability to play PS2 games then they better add that functionality to the slim PS3 because I'm not about to go out and buy 2 consoles just to have the same functionality as the one I have now.

Re:Not Bricked But.... (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760336)

This is why I kept my PS2. It has 99.9% compatibility with my older PS1 collection (since it's basically a PS1 inside a PS2).

The PS3's compatibility is nowhere near that high. And companies wonder why we turn to emulation..... the emulators work better than the actual paid-for product.

Re:Not Bricked But.... (1)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760506)

My PS3 has been broken since the update. I cannot connect to PSN, Playstation Home, play online or watch a bluray. When I try to connect I get error "Z(7,-100)". I have told by some people that it is broken server side if I get that error, Sony support are clueless.

More trouble than its worth... (1)

mendred (634647) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760074)

This is a "feature" that really wasn't neccessary..but requires effort to be coded in to be tested, because if that isn't done, things can horribly go wrong..all that to maintain a status quo and remove a feature.

But now something got borked..extra effort will have to go in to correct the problem..all for a "feature" which didn't really benefit anyone...other than a potential lock-in benefit that only marketing can conceive which had its share of bad PR as well.

Sigh...welcome to the real world..it sucks..

Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760076)

This is why you should never buy Sony, even MSFT is starting to look not so evil compared to them.

frist post? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760082)

frist? Doubt it.

Well... (1)

Tsian (70839) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760086)

At least if you keep in plugged in it can be a doorstop *and* space-heater.

Still, it will be interesting to see how Sony's handling of this will progress... it seems like an amazingly big hole to miss in QA testing.

I wonder why they suddenly felt such a rush to "plug" this "hole".... did some new hack allowing pirated games to be played recently come out which utilized the "install other OS" function?

Although I must say I can't see this as being done on purpose -- no matter how much Sony might like to see the "fat" PS3s be cycled out of use.

Definition of 'Brick'? (5, Informative)

derrickh (157646) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760090)

The article doesnt describe bricking. It barely describes real problems. It describes (rather vaguely) sluggish internet and third party controllers not working. And it never actually shows or links to actual complaints. The only real information in the article is that people who dont install the update can't connect to PSN, which is standard for these updates.

D

Re:Definition of 'Brick'? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760314)

I've only seen one report on the playstation blog of this update YLODing a console, which I can believe is coincidence (or possibly even user error).
The other report of trouble I saw was some game hanging every 10-20 minutes, which isn't a bricked machine.

That said, believing I'd just give up a feature I paid for and use because of management paranoia is preposterous. Sony threw this update out from fear, which is merely self-fulfilling, and it is an insult to every customer - even though some vehemently defend it, pointing fingers elsewhere. That the requirement of updating to access PSN is purely artificial is just adding injury to insult, and can (for the moment) be worked around with a proxy.

Re:Definition of 'Brick'? (0, Troll)

Mad Leper (670146) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760574)

Without fail, every time there is a PS3 firmware update the forums light up with post about "bricked my PS3" or "Yellow light of death" or "Can't play games WTF?"

And it's the same people over and over again, making the same claims they did the last update and the ones before. I'm certain there is a rabid anti-PS3 community out there that's in a state of perpetual pissed off about the existence of the PS3 and their inability to crack& pirate PS3 games. They make outrageous claims about massive number of bricked consoles and an epidemic of the YLD, but it's all FUD and trolling.

The fact that this even became a Slashdot article is just sad, but deliberate trolling does generate page hits...

Sony is a shell company (5, Funny)

For a Free Internet (1594621) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760092)

It's a front for the Iraqi-Italian axis and this "bricking" is part of their war on the Christian American Family. What we need is Communism, and ham.

Re:Sony is a shell company (-1, Flamebait)

blueZ3 (744446) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760212)

Well, there's spam, egg, sausage, Obama, and ham, that's not got much ham or Communism in it.

Lawsuit? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760098)

Sue Sony.

Re:Lawsuit? (2, Funny)

PhongUK (1301747) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760372)

She the founder?

No issues here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760104)

Had zero issues with the update. Everything works the same as before. I wasn't using my linux partition but I dislike it not being there anymore.

Re:No issues here (4, Informative)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760162)

Your Linux partition is still there, you just can't make use of the space reserved for it anymore. The only way to recover the space is to do a back up, format, and restore.

Am I the only one? (2, Insightful)

courteaudotbiz (1191083) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760108)

Am I the only one who has not had a single issue with my fat PS3? No clock problem, no update / bricking problem, no connectivity problem.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact the I never played around with "install other OS", never opened the hood to replace the hard drive, never tried to jailbreak it...

Still, I think it's sad that Sony is trying to prevent power users to exploit the full potential of this otherwise marvelous piece of technology!

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

courteaudotbiz (1191083) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760126)

And yes, I updated to the latest FW update yesterday and I have not had a single problem. I own it since april 2007, so 3 years without a single glitch!

Re:Am I the only one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760226)

4 years with my Wii an only one problem, the disk drive failed. I just hacked it and had it use a HDD instead.

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

HopefulIntern (1759406) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760266)

Had mine since april 2008. Havent applied the update yet (I always wait a few weeks just in case there are issues like now).

I DID have the clock problem, but it was just that: the clock was wrong. I could still get on the PSN.

My console did have a weird problem once, that the HDMI port broke (I think my ebuyer's-own brand tv shocked it, cuz it was the same time the tv itself broke). I phoned up Sony and after 5 mins of basic Q&A they told me to bring the console to work the next day, and someone would show up and give me a new one. I was impressed at such great service; kudos to Sony.

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

SethraLavode (910814) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760262)

If you didn't have the clock problem, then you also weren't using your PS3 on March 1st because that happened regardless of what changes you might have made to the system. (Actually, it's possible you don't use PSN and were playing non-online games; you were still affected, you just didn't realize it.)

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

marcansoft (727665) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760408)

The clock problem didn't affect all fat PS3s. I have a later model (a year or so old) and it worked fine on March 1st. I made a point to try to connect to PSN to see whether the bug would be triggered or not.

Re:Am I the only one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760306)

Mine had to be restored once and it had the clock problem. I've not changed the hard drive, installed linux or did any other tweaking. I have the original 40gb model.

I haven't updated to the newest firmware.

Well yeah... (0, Troll)

FatSean (18753) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760316)

If you never use your power windows, the regulators will never fail!

Gaming Media - The Little Boy Who Cried Wolf (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760112)

Here we go again.

Unpaid fanboy blogger manufactures yet another 'console update/game bricks systems' post.
Links to the standard set of people posting problems in forums attributing them to whatever is the latest OS update
Other fanboys with agendas try to run with the story hoping it will gain traction and damage the reputation of the console company they hate
Story goes nowhere because no one outside the usual relatively tiny number of people with actual problems are able to keep the story alive
Story dies off
Wait for next console OS update and start the whole process over again

 

Still waiting for the Slim to get hacked... (1)

MoldySpore (1280634) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760124)

I waited until the slim came out to buy my PS3. I was a little dismayed that it came without the option to install Linux on it but it didn't stop me from buying it because I figured somebody would figure out how to get it back on there.

Well it's several months later and I still have yet to see anything. Lots of speculation but nothing on getting Linux back on the PS3. And now they are removing it from the fat version? I was going to pick one up so I could play with Linux on it (I have no real need for it since I have a dedicated media center tower PC sitting next to my HDTV) but I guess I can't now.

This seems to be a growing trend lately. Companies try to open up their hardware in some kind of limiting fashion, only to wind up removing that functionality later instead of trying to fix whatever security holes or anything else that is wrong with it. And if those fixes are bricking legit user's hardware, that is even worse. Why don't these companies FIX their issues instead of just REMOVING them?

Re:Still waiting for the Slim to get hacked... (1)

Fackamato (913248) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760156)

Because it's cheaper. Companies only exist to make money, really.

Re:Still waiting for the Slim to get hacked... (1)

tokul (682258) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760182)

Why don't these companies FIX their issues instead of just REMOVING them?

Maybe ability to run custom code on gaming console is security issue by itself.

Yu4o Fail IT (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760150)

Is this even legal? (5, Interesting)

Dialecticus (1433989) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760152)

I wonder whether the intentional removal of a major feature which was present at time of purchase, and which for many was the primary reason for said purchase, is in any way actionable.

Re:Is this even legal? (1)

Orga (1720130) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760200)

If you don't want the feature removed, don't do the update. If you do the update you agree to all that text that they show you that you hit right on your controller to bypass.

Re:Is this even legal? (5, Insightful)

brainiac ghost1991 (853936) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760280)

Well, then if you don't do the update they've removed another major feature (PSN connectivity)

Re:Is this even legal? (3, Insightful)

Mad Leper (670146) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760466)

In either case it's the PS3 owner that has to make that decision, keep the OtherOS functionality or use it for PSN/Games.

Technically the PS3 still does everything it could do before the update, just not at the same time.

Re:Is this even legal? (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760208)

You mean like when Creative upgraded the firmware on their XM satellite radio receiver to remove the ability to record MP3s from the radio feed, which was advertised on the box as THE major feature?

Re:Is this even legal? (1)

blueZ3 (744446) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760282)

I think Sony would say that the EULA makes it so. I think a lawyer would/could argue that if they brick your system with an update, they owe you a new one. Unfortunately, you'd never get a lawyer to take this case as the value of a PS3 and "damages" aren't enough to cover one billable hour...

Morally (though that's so gauche to say these days) I think if you buy a product and the company borks it well after the purchase, they owe you a fix or new one. Using the classic /. car analogy, it's like taking your car in for an oil change and when you come to pick it up it's stopped running and they expect you to buy a new one.

Re:Is this even legal? (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760356)

I wonder whether the intentional removal of a major feature which was present at time of purchase, and which for many was the primary reason for said purchase, is in any way actionable.

That's an extremely good question.

IANAL, but AFAIK current consumer law in most countries was drafted when the idea that a manufacturer could change how the item you've bought works, months or even years after you bought it and force you to accept this change if you want to continue using the item was little more than fanciful dystopic science-fiction.

Complicating the issue further is that (certainly in the UK, YMMV) legally speaking, it's the retailer's problem to ensure you get what you paid for, not the manufacturers. So if I went into my local game shop and bought a PS/3 with the express intention of playing games online and running linux on one unit, it's the retailers problem if I can no longer do so through no fault of my own (obviously accounting for any statute of limitations).

Consoles? (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760168)

I understand how MS could sometimes release updates that are harmful to some computers, they control on the hardware and the other programs installed on their customers machines.

But in the case of consoles and Sony they know exactly what they will encounter, one of a few versions of the Playstation 3.
And I believe this is the second of their updates to brick PS 3s.

So my questions is, do they not even test their updates on the PS 3s?

Or are PS 3s of the same version radically different enough to brick or not brick with the same update?
Or are these network issues, the patch is not fully being installed (they did not makes a robust enough updating system)?

Oh God - Shut The Fuck Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760340)

Tens of millions of people updated to this firmware days ago with no problems at all like every other PS3 firmware in the past.

Do you have any clue what a fucking moron you sound like babbling about 'So my questions is, do they not even test their updates on the PS 3s?' because some dimwit in the media writes a blog post linking to a few forum posts?

Honestly, shut the fuck up idiot.

Re:Consoles? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760420)

There's really only ONE report of a bricking. Meanwhile my Microsoft console is doing a mandatory, 26 minute update before I can use Xbox Live this morning. I don't know whether I should be more scared that the update should fail, or that it will RROD before the update finishes. And all I want is to play Forza 3... (I'm throwing rocks at Gran Turismo now, wewp)

Will Sony replace bricked PS3s caused by update? (1)

Quick Reply (688867) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760170)

Does anyone know if Sony would replace bricked PS3s caused by this update, even if they are out of warranty?

Re:Will Sony replace bricked PS3s caused by update (1)

snsr (917423) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760276)

No, but I believe they'll repair one for $150.

Re:Will Sony replace bricked PS3s caused by update (5, Informative)

HopefulIntern (1759406) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760286)

If you are in the UK you don't need to worry about warranty; I have recently discovered the Sale of Goods Act, which means with or without warranty they would have to replace it because it is less than 6 years old.

Re:Will Sony replace bricked PS3s caused by update (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760348)

I believe Sony's exact words are, "Helllllz naw, nigga. You be trippin'."

My $0.02 (3, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760248)

Our 250GB PS3 Slim has been fine after the latest update...no freezing or game launching problems. I can't RTFA due to work filters, but I would imagine that this update wouldn't cause problems with Slim PS3s anyway, since out of the box you already can't install Linux on there.

Can anyone tell me if TFA says anything about Slim PS3s?

Re:My $0.02 (1)

epdp14 (1318641) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760398)

From TFA (death to filters): "Tin-hatted conspiracy theorists are suggesting that Sony wants to get old fat PS3s out of circulation as it seems to be the portly version which is having the most problems."

Re:My $0.02 (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760588)

it seems to be the portly version which is having the most problems.

This is yet another update that PS3 fat owners are reporting widespread problems, with nary a hiccup for PS3 slim owners. Tin foil or no, that's just a fact.

Thanks!

Is it bricked bricked or... (5, Insightful)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760324)

It is archaic definition bricked or "inconvenient to repair" bricked, as is the new usage.

Given that "literally" is the new figuratively it's hard to tell what people mean these days.

Sony - The Toyota of the computer industry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760392)

Well, it's all the user's fault, see...

Glad I didn't install the update (1)

HalAtWork (926717) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760412)

Really glad I didn't install this one. I wanted to keep the "Other OS" feature so I skipped it. I was going to pick up a slim anyway, so I guess I'll do that and save my "Other OS" feature on my current console. My only problem is if I can continue hunting trophies when I move all my data over to the slim :/

No problems here (1)

jockeys (753885) | more than 4 years ago | (#31760428)

I ran the update when it dropped, have been playing games and connecting to PSN, NetFlix and various web browsing with zero symptoms... maybe it only affects certain models? I have the last gen "phat" ps3

At least.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31760554)

.. they are quite clear about that you will not be able to run "other OSes" afterward in the update description.

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