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Geohot Brings Other OS Support To PS3 With Custom Firmware

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the that-was-quick dept.

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suraj.sun tips news that hacker Geohot is following through on his promise to fight Sony's removal of the "Install Other OS" feature on the PS3. He posted a video of the work he's done so far that shows a PS3 console booting into Linux. Quoting Engadget: "While it's not available to the public just yet, Geohot's 3.21OO custom firmware will apparently be simple to install and, as you can see in the video after the break, it works just as you'd expect and simply restores the 'other OS' option to its previous place. Geohot even says that the custom firmware might actually enable the other OS feature on the PS3 Slim, but he hasn't yet had a chance to try it out."

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270 comments

Ha. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31773568)

Say hello to 3.21.01 counter-updates from Sony soon. The battle doesn't end.

Re:Ha. (2, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773666)

Is there a chance that Sony will learn something from this? Will they embrace this as a chance to let those who want 'Other OS' support bad enough have it? If they do it let's them off the hook regarding any warranty support for the 'fat' PS3's.

Re:Ha. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31773710)

I hope he goes further than just restoring the other os feature.

Hacking the PS3 to run 'backup' games would be a suitable punishment for sony imho

Re:Ha. (3, Interesting)

mejogid (1575619) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773808)

Which would be precisely the reason they made this change in the first place and does nothing but prove them right. If you want to stick it to the man (as with all piracy), don't buy their products, send them an email and maybe try to draw some media attention to the issue. Sure the impact might be small, but at least it's a positive one.

Pirating just convinces the corporations that stricter anti-piracy measures are the answer, and frankly they may have a point in this case given console vs PC piracy rates. If you don't think the game's worth what those who made it are asking for, show some self restraint and *don't buy it* rather than ruining things for the rest of us.

Re:Ha. (4, Insightful)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773904)

The PS3 was the only console not hacked for piracy. I bought my fat PS3 because of Linux support, Sony was underhanded and took that away. I think they deserve to lose out on some profits because of the disrespect they showed their paying customers. IMHO, no one hacked the PS3 because Sony was being semi-open and allowing people to use a piece of hardware the bought for something they wanted to use it for.

I won't be spending anymore money on Sony products or PS3 games in general, but I'm pissed off they took something I have already paid for away.

I sent e-mails and complained in forums and to the BBB. What I got back from Sony was a quote of Section 11 from the EULA saying they have the right to change the way their console, that's taking up space in my den, at anytime. The BBB sent me response saying "We're investigating".

Dispute what Sony did to screw me and all other PS3 Linux users over if you wanted to continue to hack the PS3 all you had to do was not update. So did what they do really effect someone trying to open the console for piracy? NO.

Re:Ha. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31773974)

Sure it's underhanded. But when you bought your PS3, you owned it at that time, with all its features. However, in order to get the latest features and play the latest games you have to update. If you choose not to update you can do whatever the hell you want with your PS3, but by agreeing to update you agree to whatever they put in the firmware update. That's the way I see it at least.

Re:Ha. (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31774018)

Well, aren't you a useful idiot.

Re:Ha. (4, Insightful)

Chatterton (228704) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774024)

Sorry, but at the time he bought his console, he had access to the Sony network, can plays all of its bought games and OtherOS. Patching it's console mean that he keep access to the network but lose the OtherOS, not patching mean that he lose access to the Sony Network and some of it's games (how insist to access the network), but keep the OtherOS. In the 2 case he lose something that he had pay for.

Re:Ha. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31774164)

not really. without the update you can no longer re-download your already purchased PSN games or extra content - should they become corrupted, nor can you de-authorize your PS3 (DRM nonsense) should you want to move the titles to another machine.
There are well known bugs in the PlayTV DVR add-on that result in drive corruption. The Sony "fix" is to reformat your drive and download all content again. Tough if you don't want the "optional" update in this scenario.

Re:Ha. (3, Interesting)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774182)

If you choose not to update you can do whatever the hell you want with your PS3

Except use it to play newer games, new BluRay moves, Can't use the media server to watch movies I bought and downloaded and I can't access the PSN to retrieve any DLC I've paid for and need to re-download, sync my trophies, chat and the list goes on.

What I can still do with my PS3 if I don't downgrade it with the 3.21 patch is use Other OS, play PS1 and PS2 games (the fat has backward compatibility) and use the media server to play pirated movies and TV series.

So, the results are I won't be buy any new Sony products, I won't ever be buying any DLC, BluRay or downloadable movies again. This experience has taught me that at anytime any group can take stuff you've bought away so I'm not going to be wasting my money anymore. Sony has lost one paying customer and gained one proponent to piracy.

Re:Ha. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31774426)

blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda booo booo.

It's not like that this move was unexpected, the signs were in the air, but instead of listening of us the crowd you got yourself one playstation.

and now you too are crying that sony is evil.

know what? sony got your money, now it's too late to cry out that it's evil.

next time instead of being a moron listen to what wise people are telling around and avoid dumping your money on evil corporations hoping that nothing bad will happen.

you're all for voting with the wallet on forums, why are you such douchebags in real life?

Re:Ha. (5, Insightful)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773988)

Hacking the PS3 to run 'backup' games would be a suitable punishment for sony imho

Which would be precisely the reason they made this change in the first place and does nothing but prove them right.

I'm inclined to believe that the 'Other OS' functionality did more to prevent copyright infringement than it did to assist it.

There are plenty of very skilled hackers out there who have no interest in copied games, they just want the freedom to use their hardware as they wish, or even just the challenge and the kudos for breaking a supposedly secure system. Once the work is done, however, it is often a relatively simple matter for the same exploits to be used by others to run copied discs.

By giving the hackers (used in the traditional sense of the word) what they wanted in the first place with the 'Other OS' functionality, Sony prevented them from needing to bother cracking the security, and that meant that the pirates didn't have anything to build on. As soon as Sony took that function away, we see exploits to restore it - I don't know how much this is linked to the DRM on the game discs, but my instinct would be that some of the work there has already been done now.

Re:Ha. (0, Offtopic)

Durzel (137902) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774466)

That's ridiculous. How many people who stick modchips in their PS2s, etc are doing it because they want to do homebrew stuff?

How many people interested in this 3.21OO firmware are likely to install it to restore the "Other OS" functionality vs those who would install it if it meant a gateway to playing copied games?

Even if you completely disregard the fact that people jailbreak/unlock/hack stuff to avoid having to pay for games, and that the ability to do these things probably leads to increased sales of the console itself, it's debatable how much money Sony actually make from each PS3 sold - I would presume that the real money comes from the licensing for the games. Consoles themselves have been a loss-leader for years.

Your halcyon belief that "Other OS", homebrew or whatever somehow makes hackers or others that rely upon hackers more altruistic is just plain dumb, sorry. Money talks at the end of the day and if "Other OS" ends up being a gateway to not having to pay $80/£40 for the games you can sure as shit bet those same hackers would work towards that goal.

Re:Ha. (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774006)

That position is irrelevant. Expecting people to stop copying based on those arguments (regardless of their validity) is naive.

The only real way to stop the majority of file sharers is to make it difficult enough, like the PS3 still is.

So the companies have to make cost analysis and decided what brings in more profit: screwing with your current costumers to gain some file sharers, or lose those file sharers that would pay but make your costumers happier. As long as the first option brings more money, they won't change.

Case in point: why have online music stores stopped distributing songs with DRM? It's because people stopped file sharing music? (yeah, right!)
No, it's because it's more profitable to sell unDRMed music, even if more files get copied.

Re:Ha. (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774230)

If you want to stick it to the man (as with all piracy), don't buy their products

So I don't want to buy the Sony console, the Microsoft console, or the Nintendo console. Now what product do you recommend for set-top video gaming?

Re:Ha. (1)

English French Man (1220122) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774324)

I'd prefer "Hacking the PS3 to run home-brew games by giving access to the GPU in the other OS functionality". Now I don't own a PS3, but not having access to the GPU under Linux seems frustrating, especially for game developing.

Re:Ha. (2, Insightful)

cb95amc (99589) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773754)

Learn something?......This is still Sony we are talking about isn't it?

Re:Ha. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31773862)

If they do it let's them off the hook regarding any warranty support for the 'fat' PS3's.

Learn something?......This is still Sony we are talking about isn't it?

Force users to 'mod' their systems resulting in voided warranties? Sounds like something that's in Sony's repertoire.

Re:Ha. (5, Insightful)

sortius_nod (1080919) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773984)

The whole point of the removal was to thwart Gehot's efforts on the PS3 hack.

I'm not 100% on this, but I really don't see Sony taking this lightly. They want to remain unhacked, so this is the way they see fit.

To me, this expands the base of people hacking their console.

Re:Ha. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31774490)

The best thing on PS3

Dragon Age [bioware.com]

Re:Ha. (1)

colordev (1764040) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774318)

another battle that hasn't ended.... is if Geohot is a reincarnated God as some have suggested (mostly until 10 days ago), or a fucking idiot who ruined it for everyone - well since the Sony's announcement... until now.

Inevitable, really (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31773574)

I always considered the decision to enable installation of other operating systems on the PS3 a proactive and productive move by Sony to both enhance the appeal of the PS3 while also diminishing the desire to compromise the system to enable homebrew software. It was like Sony finally "got" it. Now that they've gone in the other direction, Sony has only succeeded in providing the incentive for people to do what Sony'd rather they didn't.

Re:Inevitable, really (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31773644)

think it was more likely to do with the difference in tax duties between 'computers' and 'game consoles' when importing goods into the EU and other locations

Re:Inevitable, really (1, Insightful)

mejogid (1575619) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773760)

Their hand was pretty much forced when Geohot hacked it in the first place. Since their console is already in third place, rampant piracy could destroy the motivation for other publishers to release on their system. This firmware demonstrates that custom firmwares are possible and I'm sure it won't be long until people are allowing playback of disks from external HDs or whatever.

I'd rather this hadn't happened but the Other OS feature is of little use besides the option to run code on the Cell, and in that case the latest firmware is probably not needed. Ultimately Sony reached out to the hobbyist community with better access to their hardware than any other recent console has provided, and somebody has come along and ruined that.

Re:Inevitable, really (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773848)

"Somebody", specifically "Sony".

I'm getting tired of this "But that insolent peasant just wouldn't know his place and show proper gratitude for the scraps he'd been given, so poor Sony was forced to retroactively remove a feature; let us all shed a tear for Sony." crap.

Re:Inevitable, really (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31774108)

That's when Ken Kutaragi was in charge. Ever since other managements took over, they started doing stupid things again (e.g. PSP Go).

Re:Inevitable, really (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31774308)

Crazy Ken had his fair share of fuck-ups, as well.

Countdown to lawsuit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31773580)

In 3.... 2....1.....

You know it's comming. It's sony after all.

Re:Countdown to lawsuit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31773640)

Agreed, this won't end well.

Re:Countdown to lawsuit (1)

DJRumpy (1345787) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773886)

Correction. This won't end well for geeks and in the end, for Sony. Hackers will take advantage of this work to crack it wide open and make piracy of the PS3 a trivial thing. Sony brought this on themselves. Most, however, won't care or even notice that the option is gone. Hell, even I never messed with it the Linux option on my PS3 (yes, I know my geek card is at risk). I'm irritated that they can just remove it, but I didn't buy it to run linux. I have any number of laptops and desktops that can do the same and I don't put Linux on all of them either ;)

Is this News for Nerds? Definitely. Is it news to Joe Public? Not in the slightest.

Re:Countdown to lawsuit (1)

Vectormatic (1759674) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774208)

make piracy of the PS3 a trivial thing... .... Is it news to Joe Public? Not in the slightest.

you contradict yourself, this is very much relevant for Joe public, since it means that within a year he can go to Jim public and buy some games for $5 a pop

Re:Countdown to lawsuit (3, Informative)

91degrees (207121) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773836)

It will be interesting though. This firmware update restores advertised functionality of the product. It will be hard for Sony to demonstrate that this infringes their rights.

Repeat After Me: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31773656)

PS3 is a GAME CONSOLE, not a COMPUTER.

Re:Repeat After Me: (2, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773670)

PS3 is a GAME CONSOLE, not a COMPUTER.

Then someone will have to release "Linux: The Game" pretty soon so it can run on the PS3.

Re:Repeat After Me: (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773872)

Achievement Unlocked: Root Access!

Achievement Unlocked: Apt-Gotten!

Achievement Unlocked: Upgrade!

Re:Repeat After Me: (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31773680)

PS3 is a computer, just designed as a gaming device as opposed to a general purpose PC.

Re:Repeat After Me: (1)

selven (1556643) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773690)

PS3 most definitely IS a computer. It has a processor and can (barring deliberate attempts to prevent it) run arbitrary code. If it's just a game console, then why do people use them to crack encryption/hashing algorithms?

It may be a locked down computer, but it's still a computer that works exactly like a desktop or laptop computer underneath.

Sounds familiar... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31773750)

Do you work for Apple?

Re:Repeat After Me: (5, Insightful)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773766)

PS3 is a GAME CONSOLE, not a COMPUTER.

Mustang is a MUSCLE CAR, not a VEHICLE!

Re:Repeat After Me: (1)

bheekling (976077) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774114)

Bonus points for using a car analogy.

Re:Repeat After Me: (2, Funny)

La Gris (531858) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774370)

Mustang is a horse. :)

Re:Repeat After Me: (1)

X.25 (255792) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773880)

PS3 is a GAME CONSOLE, not a COMPUTER.

It seems that you don't understand what a COMPUTER is, though.

Re:Repeat After Me: (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773926)

My PC has the following: CPU, RAM, hard disk drive, display adapter, NIC, USB ports...

My PS3 has the following: CPU, RAM, hard disk drive, display adapter, NIC, USB ports...

Sorry, could you remind me what the difference is?

Re:Repeat After Me: (0, Troll)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774432)

Sorry, could you remind me what the difference is?

Unlike a video game console, a PC doesn't have these:

  • SDTV output as a standard feature
  • A competent* 3D chipset as a standard feature
  • A prevailing mindset among developers to consider allowing multiple players to use gamepads
  • Firmware with a cryptographic lockout endorsed by the major labels to keep the indie game developer riff-raff out

* As opposed to Intel "Graphics My A**" that comes on business-oriented PCs.

Re:Repeat After Me: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31774170)

Wrong. PS3 is (was) a Computer Entertainment System. Now without the computer function, it's just an Entertainment System.

Re:Repeat After Me: (1)

English French Man (1220122) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774386)

And when they deactivate the Bluray drive because one could use it to run pirated games, it will just be a System.

Re:Repeat After Me: (1)

exomondo (1725132) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774258)

PS3 is a GAME CONSOLE, not a COMPUTER.

Funny how Sony directly contradicts [blogspot.com] that statement, get your facts right before making stupid statements. Specifically this quote from Phil Harrison:

"The Playstation 3 is a computer. We do not need the PC."

not on slim (4, Informative)

swanriversean (928620) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773688)

I will be completely surprised if this works on the PS3 slim.
I understood that one of the ways Sony cut the price and reduced the size for the slim was that they did not include the IBM hypervisor that made the whole thing possible.
(see:
      http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-linux-ps3-1/ [ibm.com]
      http://www.osnews.com/story/22073/Why_No_OtherOS_Option_on_PS3_Slim_Sony_Answers [osnews.com]
for a few more details)

Without the hypervisor, its just not possible.

Re:not on slim (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31773738)

whitout the hypervisor it should be even more fun to run linux on it

Re:not on slim (5, Informative)

millennial (830897) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773772)

No, that's definitely not true. The hypervisor isn't what made running Linux possible; it's what made it limited when it did run. The hypervisor is also actively involved in the regular PS3 OS. It's an essential part of the PS3, and they'd never build a retail version without one.

Re:not on slim (5, Informative)

PhunkySchtuff (208108) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773830)

I don't believe they have dropped the hypervisor - that's one of the major security strongpoints and partly what has kept the PS3 from being totally pwned by now...
From the osnews article [osnews.com] you linked, they say (with emphasis mine)

I’m sorry that you are frustrated by the lack of comment specifically regarding the withdrawal of support for OtherOS on the new PS3 slim. The reasons are simple: The PS3 Slim is a major cost reduction involving many changes to hardware components in the PS3 design. In order to offer the OtherOS install, SCE would need to continue to maintain the OtherOS hypervisor drivers for any significant hardware changes – this costs SCE. One of our key objectives with the new model is to pass on cost savings to the consumer with a lower retail price. Unfortunately in this case the cost of OtherOS install did not fit with the wider objective to offer a lower cost PS3.

What I read into this is that they don't want to keep updating the hypervisor drivers for OtherOS support with the major hardware changes they made for the Slim, not that they're dropping the hypervisor altogether...

Re:not on slim (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31774036)

> significant hardware changes
It's a console ... what significant hardware changes could there be?

Re:not on slim (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774212)

Ethernet, wifi, bluetooth and HDD controllers are some obvious possibilities.

Re:not on slim (-1)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774352)

I believe the slim also only comes with 16 MB of ram my fat has 256 MB. Sorry I can't find a reference to site at them moment.

Re:not on slim (1)

swanriversean (928620) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774460)

brilliant - I should RTFA that I referenced!

Re:not on slim (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31773876)

Maybe this will help ... claims to be the RSA key for the IPL ROM loader of the supervisor.

http://pastebay.com/91827

#
-----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----
#
MIIkKAIBAAKCCAEAod9icAUvDgBYjgRl5IIUMBJu4J0uXEXbiYeIBiNxN7RlCbKb
#
by6yv13pQMiEME2nTPK1FPgkA4nyR1Lr7Kq1fiBAaG14m45Hwpnvz/zFdAJ2h3/T

Re:not on slim (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773908)

The hyperviser enforced the restrictions and provided a simplified driver interface, that's all. You can run Linux on a PS3 without the hyperviser, but the current firmware will not allow it.

Re:not on slim (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31774124)

There's no real data on the Slim in those links.

The Cell *needs* a hypervisor (level 1 OS) in order to function at all. It's hard-wired into the design specs. It would be possible to drop in a less powerful one, instead of paying an IBM royalty, I suppose ... but then you just put the IBM one back on the Slim and you're done.

Well done Sony (5, Insightful)

cyborch (524661) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773692)

I hope you are happy Sony.

You made it this far without people building custom firmware. Now you've forced people to find ways to put custom firmware on the PS3. Next up is "indie" games followed by pirates followed by the game industry going back to PCs or over to other consoles.

Too bad. I actually liked by PS3. Hopefully something new will come along soon so I won't have to buy an xbox...

Re:Well done Sony (1)

MrWeelson (948337) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773736)

Emphasis mine.

"I hope you are happy Sony.

You made it this far without [some] people building custom firmware. Now you've forced [some] people to find ways to put custom firmware on the PS3. Next up is "indie" games followed by pirates followed by the game industry going back to PCs or over to other consoles.

Too bad. I actually liked by PS3. Hopefully something new will come along soon so I won't have to buy an xbox..."

Don't confuse those who read /. with the majority who just want their PS3 to play games and watch DVDs. Plus why would the game industry care if you can or can't install Linux on a PS3 - irrelevant for them.

Re:Well done Sony (1)

NickFortune (613926) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773892)

You made it this far without [some] people building custom firmware. Now you've forced [some] people to find ways to put custom firmware on the PS3. Next up is "indie" games followed by pirates followed by the game industry going back to PCs or over to other consoles.

I was under the impression that one of the things Sony got right with the PS2 and PS3 was the option to install Linux. Not for any reasons of ideology, but just because it isolated separated those who wanted to experiment with their O/S from those who just wanted to defeat the platform's built-in DRM.

As a result, the efforts to crack the Playstation as a platform have been small and ineffective, at least in comparison to the efforts directed at the XBox consoles which has often appeared to be under siege.

Now it seems likely that, as with the XBox consoles, hackers and pirates will find common ground. So all in all it seems likely that we'll see [more] effort devoted to building custom firmware for the PS3. Which I think was probably the GP's point.

Re:Well done Sony (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774056)

Have you misread the part of parent's post about "pirates"?

Don't confuse those who read /. with the majority who just want their PS3 to play [free] games and watch DVDs. Plus why would the game industry care if you can or can't install Linux on a PS3 - irrelevant for them.

FTFY

Re:Well done Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31773742)

PS4

Re:Well done Sony (4, Insightful)

NickFortune (613926) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773816)

Too bad. I actually liked by PS3. Hopefully something new will come along soon so I won't have to buy an xbox...

There's a little known platform called a "personal computer". It works a lot like a gaming console, except that it isn't crippled at the hardware level by the OEM and has a wider range of software available. You can even install Linux on it :)

Seriously, I've never understood the appeal of spending serious money on a deliberately crippled computer, when I have a perfectly good one already. Doubly so from a company that even rootkits their audio CDs.

Re:Well done Sony (1)

Tordre (1447083) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773934)

It is a crippled computer yes but it is also beneficial for gaming in many ways. For instance the save file handling is set up in such away to be convenient to the user, anyone who played PC games might notice that there is no standard location for save files, different folder locations for different companies, and in some cases different file locations for save games from the save company. Moving all your save files from one computer to another can be difficult and you can never be sure if you got everything.

Also aside from HTPC's how many of you have a PC in the living room, people generally want to sit on a couch to play games. Also with couch gaming you can get single screen multi-player a feature which is never implemented on PC's.

The final point, is that you can trade games among your friends without having to worry about CD-Keys and DRM preventing game trading.

Crippled for your convenience. Sure they might be computers and although Turing (and you) might disagree not all machines need to do all functions.

Application Data; HTPC gaming (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774328)

anyone who played PC games might notice that there is no standard location for save files

Any PC game that doesn't put saved games within in %appdata%\(publisher)\(title) or %userprofile%\My Documents is not following the Windows file system hierarchy standard and thus is not a conforming Windows application.

different folder locations for different companies, and in some cases different file locations for save games from the save company

In the %appdata% model, each company's saved games are supposed to be in different folders.

Also with couch gaming you can get single screen multi-player a feature which is never implemented on PC's.

Never is a strong word. Sonic Kart [wikipedia.org] apparently has it, as do Serious Sam, Left 4 Dead, and Lego $movie. But I agree that single-screen multiplayer is not as widespread in major-label titles as the hardware allows, especially now that every PC has inputs for multiple gamepads (since USB in 1999) and nearly every new TV has inputs for VGA and HDMI video signals from a computer (since HDTVs took over around 2007). It's a chicken-and-egg problem: major labels don't make HTPC games because people don't have gaming HTPCs, and people don't have gaming HTPCs because major labels don't make HTPC games. Perhaps the way to break the cycle is to develop indie HTPC games.

Re:Well done Sony (1)

English French Man (1220122) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774544)

You can still trade games with friends? I thought the gaming industry DRM'd that too. Doesn't Sony demands online registration of a game to work?

It's been over a decade since I played on a game console, but the rumors I've heard stated things like that...

Re:Well done Sony (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773936)

You made it this far without people building custom firmware. Now you've forced people to find ways to put custom firmware on the PS3. Next up is "indie" games followed by pirates followed by the game industry going back to PCs or over to other consoles.

It's probably going to take some good while before its even know that there is a viable way to install custom firmware. If / when it does happen, good luck to the pirates who run the real risk of bricking their machines, who must spend days downloading huge games (and finding somewhere to store them) and enjoying their unpatched and unconnected experiences.

Re:Well done Sony (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31773968)

Both the Wii and 360 have been easy to mod for piracy, you'll note that both units sell rather well. The NDS is the easiest of all to run copied games, it's not exactly a sloth in unit sales either. The PSP failed because the games went shit and peoples' tasted moved away from "real" console like gaming to quicker simpler offerings, just look at gaming on devices like the smartphones. Silly little cheap and cheerful games that lots of people love.

It's been suggested Sony may forced the issue to trigger a move towards piracy to sell more units, now that they're stripped down the hardware and are showing profits. Of course, they could just be dumb and believe they can control this fight. All they need to do is reinstate linux and give it a better video-driver to make the small army of techs bashing away on the device to go back to their caves. There's no point hacking it when it already allows decent control. The modders won't come up with anything, they're not skilled enough.

Re:Well done Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31773980)

Hopefully something new will come along soon so I won't have to buy many xboxes ..

There, fixed that for you...

Somethings messed up his MAC address (1)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773702)

It says FF:FF:FF etc in the info screen. Thats not right. I wonder if his "firmware" has any side effects he's not letting on about.

Re:Somethings messed up his MAC address (5, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773714)

It says FF:FF:FF etc in the info screen. Thats not right. I wonder if his "firmware" has any side effects he's not letting on about.

You mean that maybe it stutters?

Re:Somethings messed up his MAC address (2, Funny)

Thanshin (1188877) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773746)

You mean that maybe it stutters?

First time I've ever missed not having mod points.

Re:Somethings messed up his MAC address (-1, Troll)

stonewallred (1465497) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773764)

Does anyone think this clown has actually "cracked" this? Sounds like his other "crack" for the PS3, which was basically not a crack at all.

Re:Somethings messed up his MAC address (1)

doomy (7461) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773810)

> Does anyone think this clown has actually "cracked" this? Sounds like his other "crack" for the PS3, which was basically not a crack at all.

I'm not sure why you are calling him a clown, he's a respectable hacker that has worked on jail-breaking the iPhone, and enabling access to the locked out 7 SPU's in PS3. If you are eluding to his age, then it's sad.

Here read more about him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz [wikipedia.org]

Re:Somethings messed up his MAC address (0, Troll)

stonewallred (1465497) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773946)

lol, "cracking" the PS3 in the first place which required modding and the frequent power switching, in hopes of gaining a limited ability to peer into the workings is not cracking/hacking nor does it make him anything but a publicity hound. He might have some credibility when it comes to iphone(don't know as not into them) but in PS3, he is a rube and a charlatan.

Re:Somethings messed up his MAC address (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31774050)

Think of it that way. He cracks the PS3 open, he gets access to all of its data, he mods the original 3.21 software and then just makes it able for people to install it on their own PS3s, unmodified, safe, just the way normal software updates install.

That's the way you get to learn things, though. You do not need to crack open every human just to learn he has a heart, kidneys, etc.

Re:Somethings messed up his MAC address (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31774476)

Pretty much like you on /..

Re:Somethings messed up his MAC address (0)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774532)

Now you are just making yourself look like a fool.

Re:Somethings messed up his MAC address (1, Troll)

Mad Leper (670146) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774458)

A "respecable" hacker that took credit for other peoples hard work for the iphone crack, and failed to do anything more than dent the outer ring of the PS3 security?

Sad indeed.

Re:Somethings messed up his MAC address (1)

ElberethZone (1136393) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773788)

Even more proof he made a custom firmware. Changing the MAC address was a feature of the Custom Firmwares for PSP.

Re:Somethings messed up his MAC address (1)

imakemusic (1164993) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773890)

FF:FF:FF

Scorchio!

Re:Somethings messed up his MAC address (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31773962)

Boutros Boutros Ghali!
FF:FF:FF:FF Chris Waddle!

Found this on pastebay.com (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31773768)

The poster said its the private RSA key for the IPL ROM that boots the supervisor.

http://pastebay.com/91827

Maybe someone can have a look at this.

Enjoy

It's not any sort of version string change (1)

Barryke (772876) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773778)

From his blog:

Here is a video demoing my "custom firmware". It's not any sort of version string change; I would have added something showing off the new features of 3.21, but oh wait, there aren't any.

http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]

Australian Competition & Consumer Commission (4, Interesting)

PhunkySchtuff (208108) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773796)

I don't know if America has anything like the Australian Competition & Consumer Commission [accc.gov.au] but if you do, I'd urge you to raise this issue with them (and if you're in Australia, please get onto the case).

This is a simple case of a company changing the specs on a product that you have bought, after you've bought it and changing it in an adverse fashion. It is removing a feature that you have paid for and have possibly had for years, without offering any workaround or compensation.

Sony claim that the update is not mandatory, and that it is entirely your choice if you wish to install it or not, but the simple fact is that by not installing the patch, you lose even more functionality than if you do install it. No PSN. No Playstation Store. On online gaming. No access to new games that require this or a newer firmware. No access to bluray content that requires this or a newer version of the firmware. Etc.

Here's the text of the submission I made to the ACCC (you're limited to 1500 characters)

Sony have recently released a firmware update for the PlayStation 3 Games Console.
From what I can see, all this update does is remove a feature from the console. The feature removed is the "Other OS" support - the ability to install another operating system, such as Linux, on the PS3 and use it as a general purpose computer.

Sony claim that the update is not mandatory, however by not installing this update, you lose access to the PlayStation Network, so any games that require this for online play will no longer work. One of the main reasons for owning a PS3 is the online gameplay component.

More information about other features that will be locked out are here on Sony's web site: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/28/ps3-firmware-v3-21-update/ [playstation.com]

"Consumers and organizations that currently use the “Other OS” feature can choose not to upgrade their PS3 systems, although the following features will no longer be available; Ability to sign in to PlayStation Network and use network features that require signing in to PlayStation Network, such as online features of PS3 games and chat Playback of PS3 software titles or Blu-ray Disc videos that require PS3 system software version 3.21 or later Playback of copyright-protected videos that are stored on a media server (when DTCP-IP is enabled under Settings) Use of new features and improvements that are available on PS3 system software 3.21 or later"

Re:Australian Competition & Consumer Commissio (1)

dmiller (581) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773878)

Thanks for the pointer, I have been meaning to do just that. Here is mine:

Sony has just issued a firmware update[1] that disables the "OtherOS" support that is used to run alternate operating systems such as Linux on the Playstation 3 (PS3) game console. This was an advertised feature of the PS3 and was a factor in my decision to purchase the product. The firmware update is effectively mandatory; the PS3 will not support online play or game updates/downloads via the Playstation network without it (these are also advertised features).

That a major consumer electronics company can unilaterally remove advertised features from a product that I have bought and paid for is chilling to say the least and appears misleading and deceptive in the classic "bait and switch" style. I request that the ACCC investigate this matter.

[1] http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/28/ps3-firmware-v3-21-update/ [playstation.com]

Re:Australian Competition & Consumer Commissio (4, Funny)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773900)

Reply from the Australian Competition & Consumer Commission:

Crikey! Thank you for bringing this egregious behavior to our attention. Effective April 30, 2010, the Sony Playstation 3 is hereby banned for import, sale, and possession in the states and territories of Australia and surrounding lesser islands.

This is why you can't have nice things.

Re:Australian Competition & Consumer Commissio (1)

PhunkySchtuff (208108) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773932)

That's obviously a fake, as they didn't sign off with the obligatory:

"Get a dog up ya, mate"

Re:Australian Competition & Consumer Commissio (1)

moniker (9961) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773948)

The American equivalent is the FTC, Federal Trade Commission.

You can complete a complaint form at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/ [ftccomplai...istant.gov]

Not sure the best address to use on the form, but here is one of them:

Sony Computer Entertainment America, Inc.
919 E Hillsdale Blvd 2nd Floor
Foster City Ca 94404-4247

Appropriately, the PS3 blog considers FTC to be a swear word [imageshack.us] .

Complaining to the BBB is pointless. SCEA already has an F [bbb.org] ... I don't think they can get an F-.

Interesting (4, Insightful)

Reisrdok (1361907) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773866)

I bought PS3 mainly because of OtherOS. Now they remove it. Can I get my money back, the product does not have the features I paid for and wanted? Oh well. Probably there is a paragraph in sony EULA that allows them to do this. There's probably few lines about my soul too..

Re:Interesting (3, Insightful)

PhunkySchtuff (208108) | more than 4 years ago | (#31773898)

You're right, there is a paragraph in the EULA that Sony are using to justify this "upgrade" however if such an upgrade conflicts with the law, then I'm afraid that it's the law that wins out over the EULA.

Re:Interesting (1)

NorQue (1000887) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774104)

Then simply don't update? As long as you don't update you keep the Other OS feature. If you don't need your PS3 for anything else there's no reason to update, too.

Re:Interesting (1)

Reisrdok (1361907) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774250)

But I do use the "PS3 OS" sometimes, play games etc..

Re:Interesting (1)

dmiller (581) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774470)

Actually there is: you cannot use the Playstation network or BD+ bluray features without the latest SW version.

Re:Interesting (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774180)

I bought PS3 mainly because of OtherOS. Now they remove it. Can I get my money back, the product does not have the features I paid for and wanted? Oh well. Probably there is a paragraph in sony EULA that allows them to do this. There's probably few lines about my soul too..

First, it is not clear how enforceable a EULA is, largely because you are not forced to sign it before using the product. Second, it is not clear where the law will treat the boundary between software and hardware. Third, you cannot sign away your legal rights. This one could take a long time and make a lot of lawyers very rich. I sure fucking wish they would start already, Sony could use some come-uppance.

Re:Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31774482)

First, it is not clear how enforceable a EULA is, largely because you are not forced to sign it before using the product.

Hell, you're hardly able to read it before buying the product. It's sort of like a running joke in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:

"But Mr. Dent, the EULA has been available on the Sony website for the last nine months."

"Oh yes, well as soon as I heard I went straight round to see them, yesterday afternoon. You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call attention to them had you? I mean like actually telling anybody or anything."

"But the EULA was on display ..."

"On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find it."

"That's the display department."

"With a torch."

"Ah, well the lights had probably gone."

"So had the stairs."

"But look, you found the EULA didn't you?"

"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying Beware of the Leopard."

Re:Interesting (1)

lilo_booter (649045) | more than 4 years ago | (#31774274)

Kinda in the same boat - I bought my first PS3 for running Linux on it, decided it sucked, and basically had the machine collecting dust for the best part of a year... but for some reason (boredom probably), I dragged it out and started playing a couple of games which came with it (Uncharted in particular) and started playing with its media playback and knocking up some custom stuff to allow me to access my satellite receivers channels through the xmb...

Long story short... very happy customer now - awesome bit of kit. If you're just going to throw yours away, I can give you an address to send it to :-).

Re:Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31774304)

but noone is forcing you to upgrade? you have to choose between 'otherOS'(Linux) and games, just like we all do..

mod do3n (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31774354)

One common goal - Exactly what you've Keed to be Kreskin stagnanth. As Linux
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