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Bloomberg Reports That Palm Is Up For Sale

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the handwriting-on-the-wall-is-graffiti dept.

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leetrout writes with this excerpt from a story at Bloomberg News "Palm Inc., creator of the Pre smartphone, put itself up for sale and is seeking bids for the company as early as this week, according to three people familiar with the situation."

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First bid (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814234)

I'd buy that for a dollar!

Re:First bid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814430)

Hahahaha, NICE Robocop reference! You're the first person other than myself that I've ever seen use that.

Re:First bid (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814772)

Hahahaha, you're the same guy come back to explain your joke.

Re:First bid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814794)

rofl youre the same guy come back to make an actually funny joke by pointing out yourself explaining your first joke

and you can tell im not the same guy because i dont use caps or punctuation

Re:First bid (3, Funny)

nacturation (646836) | more than 4 years ago | (#31815232)

I'm all of the above people... I just forgot to login.

Re:First bid (1)

Arcady13 (656165) | more than 4 years ago | (#31815400)

I can offer 7 dollars, and a Casio.

Ask Slashdot (-1, Offtopic)

countertrolling (1585477) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814250)

Am I for it, or against it?

Re:Ask Slashdot (-1, Offtopic)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814516)

Is it good, or is it whack?

BeOS! (5, Interesting)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814252)

AFAIK, Palm still owns BeOS.

Hopefully whoever buys them does something with it, or sells it to someone who will.

Re:BeOS! (4, Insightful)

cameljockey91 (1455491) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814288)

Is that really a feasible or even necessary move? BeOS hasn't been developed in over a decade by the original programmers; what relevance does it have now? Palm failed to utilize the OS, and Be Inc. even changed direction away from BeOS before they were bought.

Re:BeOS! (3, Insightful)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814310)

Well, open-sourcing it would qualify as "something" :)

I'm sure that'd help the folks working on Haiku.

Re:BeOS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814390)

I don't know, they are finally close to being done with recreating BeOS as it was before it all ended. It would be kind of a cruel joke to have it open-sourced now. (not that I think it's likely to happen)

Re:BeOS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814338)

Now that we finally all have multi-processor machines in the form of multi-core, BeOS would be more relevant than ever. But it's true that having to catch up on those 10 years would take a lot of resources.

Re:BeOS! (5, Insightful)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814436)

what relevance does it have now?

The only OS to ever do GUI responsiveness properly?

Re:BeOS! (5, Interesting)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814490)

I think BeOS stil has a relevance today, as it beats the pants off any current OS in respnsiveness to The User: any command/mouseclick has the highest priority, file copy be damned. I have tested with many current OSes (even OS X fails this test) start copying a huge file, and see if responsiveness is affected at all. With BeOS, it wasn't - not even the slightest. The file would get copied a few secconds later, if I interact a lot with the UI, but so fucking what?

What a pleasure it was to use BeOS. For whatever reason, programmers just refuse to create such pleasant-to-use operating systems.

(I won't relay the often mentioned smoothness of displaying videos and playing MP3s. It's not that important. But it sure is impressive when you can play 30 MP3s at the same time, and some even backwards. Is there ever been an OS that dominated all the others so blatantly? The things BeOS was able to do were simply ridiculous.)

It's dead for a reason. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814682)

I think BeOS stil has a relevance today, as it beats the pants off any current OS in respnsiveness to The User: any command/mouseclick has the highest priority, file copy be damned. I have tested with many current OSes (even OS X fails this test) start copying a huge file, and see if responsiveness is affected at all. With BeOS, it wasn't - not even the slightest. The file would get copied a few secconds later, if I interact a lot with the UI, but so fucking what?

That's it? So what?

How many applications are available for it?

And how many jobs are out there for it?

Any proprietary software on it that can't be moved to OSX or something?

And hardware support? Does it support modern hardware?

The to all the above is 'no'.

BeOS is dead for a reason.

Re:It's dead for a reason. (4, Interesting)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 4 years ago | (#31815070)

BeOS is dead for a reason.

Yes, and the reason is: Microsoft bullied PC makers so they would not sell computers with any other OS. See here. [theregister.co.uk]

People hate Microsoft for a reason.

Yes but... (1)

tjstork (137384) | more than 4 years ago | (#31815234)

They were still managing to sell quite a few copies. Be could have made a business out of distributing and selling operating systems online. Indeed, that's really the only way Linux got distributed. I thought they were doing a good job of it too.

Re:BeOS! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814720)

My understanding was that while BeOS had many advantages such as the one you cited, the companies like Apple that looked at it decided it was going to be harder to hone the OS down into a practical and consumer-friendly operating system, in terms of refining or seamlessly adding on all the services that needed to be there. And we take an incredible amount of services for granted now, such as being able to render everything from HTML to streaming video in many different apps. But if they were missing, they would be missed, and apparently they were missing and not all that easy to hook up in BeOS, which was conceived back when computers were far more isolated islands than they are now.

Maybe BeOS did a few things like performance really well, but the demands on an OS for extensibility, scalability, security, hardware compatibility, etc. are much higher today compared to when BeOS was conceived. An OS today must be holistic - good at everything, including a very long list of features that programmers and alpha geeks either don't care about or don't want but are essential to acceptance by consumers and enterprise.

Feel free to correct me as I know I'm generalizing the hell out of what I've read.

Re:BeOS! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814946)

Yup, it was missing a lot of the bloat that's forced down our throats with other OSes and that's why it was so fast and elegant.

But what was really missing was better driver support and applications.

Off course, it didn't help that the Be Inc never had the balls to try and compete with Microsoft. First they wanted to make computers (BeBox) then they thought they were going to be bought by Apple. After that, they tried the niche market of audio. In Japan they managed to get BeOS pre-installed on a few machines but Microsoft quickly reacted and made sure those manufacturers "reconsidered their decision".

The only thing that might have saved BeOS at this point would have been to open source it, but apparently they couldn't due to some licensed code.

Re:BeOS! (4, Interesting)

ledow (319597) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814816)

I do think that current OS's really suffer from the "give me my damn mouse back, let me click that button, don't make me wait for seven thousand services to start up before you let me click the start button that appeared in the first second" syndrome. But that doesn't make an OS, that makes a GUI on top of an OS. The problem is "easily" solved (for a definition of easily) by queueing user events and handling mouse motion / keyboard input in a separate thread (not at all a performance problem with modern machines).

User reponsiveness is vital, that much I can agree on. I can't wait for the OS that can properly remember and queue user events from the first second so that I can send a list of keystrokes and have it get on with them - I hate when Windows chugs and your button clicks are completely ignored (programmatically, graphically, etc.) and then there's a burst of activity once it's idle again. Ideally, such interaction would be per-application (so non-busy apps would still respond as fast no matter what else was chugging away) - incidentally, window-focus-steals are the worst idea ever invented, whether by the OS or the applications themselves.

But that's a GUI issue, for the most part. Yes, the OS shouldn't chug that badly in the first place but when it does, the underlying GUI still has millions of cycles in which to respond. It doesn't, because of deep-level order dependencies and other things. The main problem, though, is programs and OS's drawing themselves before they are actually able to respond - I've seen Windows desktop, start bar, etc. appear sometimes MINUTES before the start button can actually be clicked in any useful manner, and that's *completely* pointless and just makes me think that the computer is much slower than it actually is. It's a pain in the arse and all programs should be made to draw to a back-buffer until they are actually ready to respond to user input, and any that don't within 0.5 of a second should be terminated in the style of Windows' "This program has stopped responding".

The problem is not the OS (though some OS queueing techniques can help desktop interactivity), it's mainly the application side... programs that draw too early, set themselves up piece-meal and serially, draw the user into clicking them before they can respond (what's wrong with greying out any buttons/menus until you *are* ready to respond to them?), don't queue events properly and aren't allocated a high-enough event priority when they are the main-focus app.

That's not worth an obsolete (sorry, but it is) OS, when it can be fixed by a simple event model and some slightly stricter application requirements. You can't hold an OS responsible if the programs draw themselves, then go through a serial setup and ignore all button presses in between, or when they are busy, etc. Proper multithread use is the main factor. The OS is not.

Re:BeOS! (4, Funny)

edittard (805475) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814908)

set themselves up piece-meal

Don't spell piecemeal in a piecemeal way.

Re:BeOS! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814910)

(I won't relay the often mentioned smoothness of displaying videos and playing MP3s. It's not that important. But it sure is impressive when you can play 30 MP3s at the same time, and some even backwards. Is there ever been an OS that dominated all the others so blatantly? The things BeOS was able to do were simply ridiculous.)

Ah yes.. the first time I ever tried it I managed to open _all_ my MP3s at once (I wasn't very smart back then) and sat there for several minutes - jaw dropped to the floor as all of them (or most, I couln't really make out individual sounds) played at once, my desktop piled up with windows each playing one file.

And I could still navigate around without getting stuck somewhere... one of the more amazing moments of my (probably too boring) life..

Obituary for BeOS (5, Interesting)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#31815060)

"I once preached peaceful coexistence with Windows. You may laugh at my expense - I deserve it."
-- Jean-Louis Gassée, CEO Be, Inc.

The flipside of the coin. (1)

tjstork (137384) | more than 4 years ago | (#31815240)

The problem with BeOS was that that which made it sweet also made it difficult to program. In Windows and other STA modelled applications, you don't have to worry about your application being pre-empted within the context of a message. BeOS would do that, which is why it was so responsive and so scalable. If you did the cheesy thing and put a locking mechanism around the body of your message handlers, you would effectively cripple what the OS could do with your application and essentially "Windowsify" it.

Re:BeOS! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814320)

No, Palm sold BeOS when they sold Palmsource. Besides, BeOS is dead. Everyone will just have to accept that.

Re:BeOS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814724)

PalmSource was bought out by the Japanese company Access, which has managed to produce absolutely nothing useful with their Access Linux Platform over the last four years or so.

Meanwhile, the core BeOS/PalmSource developers left to develop [android.com] Android.

Re:BeOS! (1)

Machtyn (759119) | more than 4 years ago | (#31815442)

When Palm sold Palmsource is when Palm signed its death certificate. Or maybe there were some previous decisions for that as well. I know that I'd prefer a phone with no keyboard, but to use a stylus with one stroke letter recognition (not the two stroke abomination that was Grafitti 2).

Re:BeOS! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814386)

Yeah!

Now we can have a viable competitor to Hurd!

Re:BeOS! (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814630)

BeOS is dead as a dodo. Use instead [haiku-os.org] .

It would be nice if companies opened up their dead operating systems, but often times they would be infected with licenced code, or involve patents and simply it's easier and less effort to keep it closed.

Re:BeOS! (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 4 years ago | (#31815012)

It's ALWAYS easier and less effort to do nothing and leave a product behind dead.

Re:BeOS! (2, Informative)

ducky101 (1005349) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814780)

AFAIK, Palm still owns BeOS.

No, they don't own it anymore. PalmSource, the owner of PalmOS and BeOS was sold to ACCESS Co. in 2005.
Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeOS#History [wikipedia.org]

Re:BeOS! (3, Funny)

dangitman (862676) | more than 4 years ago | (#31815030)

AFAIK, Palm still owns BeOS.

Pfffft. Big deal. I still own BeOS, it even came with a nice book. You don't see me trying to sell myself for millions of dollars.

Re:BeOS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31815178)

I would sell myself for way less, if only someone would pay...

Palm doesn't own it anymore. (3, Informative)

bornagainpenguin (1209106) | more than 4 years ago | (#31815404)

AFAIK, Palm still owns BeOS.

No, that would be ACCESS who own the BeOS code base and who have already blessed the Haiku developers with permission to distribute the BeBook and other assorted documentation. The BeOS code is safe. The Haiku clean room implementation will make it easier to modernize the base for R2 once full BeOS compatibility is reached.

--bornagainpenguin

Re:BeOS! (0, Redundant)

dave420 (699308) | more than 4 years ago | (#31815474)

Actually, ACCESS Co. owns BeOS, after they bought PalmSource.

Google should buy them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814270)

cause what the heck, why not.

Re:Google should buy them (4, Interesting)

eparker05 (1738842) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814302)

To expand on your point; Google lacks a great deal of intellectual property that puts them at legal risk from competitors such as RIM and Apple when it comes to their Android OS. A Google acquisition would spell a quick end to the HTC vs. Apple suit. On the other hand, if RIM, Apple, or Nokia acquires Palm, we can say hello to a torrent of lawsuits directed at every aspect of their respective smartphone manufacturing competitors.

As an aside, I don't think it would be bad if Microsoft purchased Palm, since Microsoft's smartphone IP is shallow at best. I would be happy to see a real Windows Mobile OS pop up that could cut it with iPhone OS or Android, and I don't think that WM 7 is going to do it.

Re:Google should buy them (4, Funny)

i ate my neighbour (1756816) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814418)

I would be happy to see a real Windows Mobile OS pop up

No thanks, I had enough with the pop ups on their desktop OS.

Re:Google should buy them (2, Interesting)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814476)

The problem is there is nothing Google really needs at Palm. The patents would just be used for defense against really crappy patents that should never have been issued in the first place to Apple. As for Android, i personally prefer it over both iPhone, Symbian and WebOS. Palm wouldnt bring anything to the table.

Nokia on the other hand, they would benefit greatly.

Re:Google should buy them (1)

ihavnoid (749312) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814788)

Even if the patents that Google need to defend against are really crappy, it may worth having some ammo because bogus patents still can be used for suing, while zero patents can be used for nothing.

Moreover, invalidating bogus patents is quite expensive, risky, and time-consuming.

OTOH, how many patents does Palm have, and how many of them are valid ones?

No surprise. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814316)

The pre is 'ok', but not a godsend. and the loose battery debacle is a joke, and now the OS's gets slower and slower.....

They just aren't making #s, and their products are not compelling enough to get someone to switch... My god the ads are CRAP.

But when your company forces everyone to carry sprint phones.... well... at least the exchange integration is AWESOME..

Re:No surprise. (0, Offtopic)

Tokerat (150341) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814342)

Of all the carriers I've had (and I've had all the big ones), I've liked Sprint the best. I always have service, I never get screwed on my bill for no reason, the network seems as fast (or usually faster) and AT&T and Verizon. Why does everyone seem to hate them so much?

Re:No surprise. (1)

Macrat (638047) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814352)

Of all the carriers I've had (and I've had all the big ones), I've liked T-Mobile the best. I always have service, I never get screwed on my bill for no reason, the network seems as fast (or usually faster) and AT&T and Verizon. Why does everyone seem to hate them so much?

Re:No surprise. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814478)

Of all the carriers I've had (and I've had all the big ones), I've liked T-Mobile the best. I always have service, I never get screwed on my bill for no reason, the network seems as fast (or usually faster) and AT&T and Verizon. Why does everyone seem to hate them so much?

They don't hate them, maybe?

Sprint is hated because they spend too much on R&D wit almost no real products coming out.
AT&T is hated because they lie in their commercials, their 3G sucks, and they have the iPhone.
Verison is hated because of AT&T commercials.

Re:No surprise. (3, Funny)

tacarat (696339) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814684)

No feedback to give. I just saw all the *rats and had to say hi.

Re:No surprise. (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 4 years ago | (#31815446)

Of all the carriers I've had (and I've had all the big ones), I've liked T-Mobile the best. I always have service, I never get screwed on my bill for no reason, the network seems as fast (or usually faster) and AT&T and Verizon. Why does everyone seem to hate them so much?

Probably because their coverage is crap if you don't live in at least a medium-sized city. They know their coverage is crap, and they don't do crap to fix it, either. The T-Mobile approach to dead spots is to list them as "low signal" on their online maps and then ignore consumer complaints about dropped calls in that area.

Re:No surprise. (5, Interesting)

spmkk (528421) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814444)

Not compelling enough? Quick: name two smartphones that have a touchscreen AND a physical keyboard on one surface, with no (other) moving parts. The Pre may not be a godsend, but the Pixi certainly is.

I have the Pixi Plus with Verizon service. Other than battery life (which is a well-documented issue that has several acceptable solutions), I cannot find a SINGLE thing I don't love about it.

It's a shame the app store isn't on par with Apple's. As devices go, it's not only one of the most technically capable phones on the market, it's also the ONLY real smartphone that fits in the pocket of a pair of jeans. For someone who doesn't carry a purse, that is a huge factor.

One of the problems is that in all the side-by-side reviews, the Pre always beats out the Pixi because...wait for it...it can't run as many apps at once. (Note: the iPhone presently can't run more than one, and reviewers worship it.) So people buy the Pre, and then aren't happy with it because the form factor is annoying and the keyboard is unusable (and because they expect their battery to last three days while they watch videos over Wi-Fi). And Palm gets a bad rap, even though they make a device that people would fall in love en masse with if they weren't talked out of giving it half a chance.

To each his own, but for me Palm offers a product that nothing else today can compete with. I really hope the market gives them a fair shake before letting their technology fade away.

Re:No surprise. (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814616)

As devices go, it's not only one of the most technically capable phones on the market, it's also the ONLY real smartphone that fits in the pocket of a pair of jeans.

I guess that depends on the size of your jeans, and depth of your pockets. My N1 fits rather nicely in mine, and I've seen people do that to their iPhones.

Quick: name two smartphones that have a touchscreen AND a physical keyboard on one surface, with no (other) moving parts ...

... and a tiny screen (2.63" @ 320x400) in comparison to all competing smartphones?

Re:No surprise. (1)

spmkk (528421) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814896)

The N1 is an inch shorter, but almost exactly twice as thick. That's probably a better combination for some people, but it doesn't work for me. Also, no keyboard.

As far as the display, 320 x 400 at 2.63" is apparently enough to comfortably read /. and post this comment :-) But like I said, to each his own. I just hope the technology sticks around so we continue to have this opyion, too.

Re:No surprise. (1)

clickety6 (141178) | more than 4 years ago | (#31815042)

I guess that depends on the size of your jeans, and depth of your pockets. My N1 fits rather nicely in mine, and I've seen people do that to their iPhones.

That's nothing. In the US, I've seen people do that with their iPads! They've got some wide butts out there ;-)

Re:No surprise. (0, Flamebait)

itsme1234 (199680) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814628)

It's a shame the app store isn't on par with Apple's.

BINGO! They're great smartphones except that ... they're aren't smart because they don't run the apps you want! The hardware itself isn't _that_ bad (although Palm as usual is 1-3 years behind and had some poor choices like 8GB internal flash and no card slot) but the fact that you can't do much with it really hurts and as expected will kill the platform. As I was saying the day Palm Pre was announced (and especially after knowing it won't be GSM for a long while): good riddance, Palm.

Re:No surprise. (4, Insightful)

Vectormatic (1759674) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814760)

now i dont know jack about the palm-pre of web-os, but since when do you NEED an app store on a proper smartphone? The iphone might have triggered android in hopping onto the "app-store" bandwagon, and with all the ipad-hoopla, the media might make you think that without an app-store you cant do anything, but a proper smart-phone should be able to have software installed which isnt given the official X seal of approval.

My 3 year old nokia doesnt have an app-store (come to think of it, it has the n-gage thing for games), but i still managed to get opera installed... or just about any piece of java code i write.

I thought the entire point of smart-phones was that they grew closer and closer to a general purpose computer, not being a walled-garden

Re:No surprise. (1)

maeka (518272) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814898)

I thought the entire point of smart-phones was that they grew closer and closer to a general purpose computer, not being a walled-garden

Just because Apple's App Store = walled garden does not mean app store = walled garden.

Re:No surprise. (1)

Vectormatic (1759674) | more than 4 years ago | (#31815174)

i know, but itsme posted like the palm-pre is worthless because its app-store isnt up to par, my point is that the app-store shouldnt be the only means to get apps

Re:No surprise. (1)

Anarki2004 (1652007) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814632)

the ONLY smartphone that fits in the pocket of a pair of jeans

pretty sure my nokia E71 is a smartphone, and I put it in my jeans pocket every day. At the time of its release it was considered the thinnest smartphone on the market.

Re:No surprise. (1)

c (8461) | more than 4 years ago | (#31815226)

> To each his own, but for me Palm offers a
> product that nothing else today can compete with.

The problem, historically, is that Palm will continue to offer this same product with minor cosmetic tweaks for a few years after their competitors have adequately competed and the entire market has subtly changed to the point that Palm's products don't really fit in. Palm will respond to this by changing their branding.

Palm's had some real hits over the years, but between hits they stagnate like no other major company I can think of...

c.

Too bad. (0)

saihung (19097) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814354)

I owned four different Palm machines and was looking forward to a GSM version of the Pre. Now that they finally have something worth saving again, hopefully they'll live to fight another day.

Sad (5, Interesting)

jsse (254124) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814356)

One of their original flagship 'Pilot 5000' is my first PDA, and people can see the immense potential in it - a lightweight programmable widget. Few months after its first launch a guy called Adams set up a website to share homebrew Pilot's applications and games around the world, the era of Palm had since begun. (Regardless of million hits daily, Adams fold his website after marriage, by his wife's order. He should really regret it by now)

Palm was actually doing good until one day some pinheads in the management decided that sales is more important than technology advancement. It's amazing to see history repeated itself over and over again in tech world.

Another good line of products ruined by great management decision. Sad, really sad.

Re:Sad (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814382)

Good business can carry crap tech, even the best tech can't correct for even mediocre business.

Sad, but that's how it rolls

Re:Sad (1)

conark (871314) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814448)

i completely agree with your sentiments on management ruining great products. i think technologists need to step up to the plate more often and take complete ownership of technology rather than let business people push them around.

Re:Sad (3, Insightful)

Phat_Tony (661117) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814648)

It's always sad to see a once-great company die, but it's especially sad with Palm right now because they came so close to turning things back around at the last minute, which is rarely the case for long-dying companies. The writing had been on the wall for Palm since before the iPhone even came out, and the mere existence of the iPhone looked like the last nail in the coffin for Palm. Then, stunningly, when it seemed like they'd lost their pulse, Palm come out with an entirely new operating system with some really compelling aspects on a brand new competitive hardware platform. If they'd had a little more capital left to keep up a few rounds of hardware and software revisions, maybe they could still make it. Also, the Pre alone might have saved them if they weren't in one of the fastest-evolving, most competitive consumer electronics markets there's ever been, with the iPhone, Android OS, HTC Hero, Motorola Droid, Blackberry Storm2, etc.

I still use a Sony Clie PEG-N710C running PalmOS for word-processing on the go. No current smartphone can compete with its docking and folding Stowaway keyboard, its reflective color TFT screen that I can see in direct sunlight at the park or on the beach, Documents to Go to seamlessly sync any word processing documents back and forth with my computer, and the ability to mount its Memory Stick as an external drive via a USB cable with any computer so I can copy my files to others on the go. Of course, it would get killed by modern devices on nearly any other task, but for ultra-portable word processing, it still kills anything else I've found.

Re:Sad (3, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814768)

Another good line of products ruined by great management decision. Sad, really sad.

Remember that next time anyone complains that CxOs are overpaid. Good ones really are worth their money (yeah, the bad ones really aren't, but you can say the same about engineers).

only a matter of time (1)

heatharensen (1788012) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814370)

Lots of great memories Palm, though none recently

Re:only a matter of time (0, Flamebait)

v1 (525388) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814550)

Lots of great memories Palm, though none recently

Just another case of a manufacturer that failed to keep innovating. Blackberries and iPod touches took them out of the handheld data market, and there are currently way too many equal and better smartphones out there today. Palm became irrelevant about 2 years ago. The only angle they could possibly have used at this point was customer service, and unfortunately for Palm, they actually started at the bottom of that pile and stayed there. On that note I'd say "good riddance". Complete lack of product support made me a one-unit-customer.

I certainly won't miss them. They neither offered a good product nor pushed the industry in the right direction.

Damn it! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814380)

I just picked up a Palm Pre for Verizon *yesterday*. I was wondering why Verizon was basically giving these away... Now I know.

I (speculate/hope/hope-not) Apple might scoop in and buy them under HTC at the last minute. Palm has a nice portfolio of mobile technology patents, and letting HTC have them (besides making Apple-HTC lawsuit difficult) could be very damaging for them.

WebOS actually looks great (4, Interesting)

melted (227442) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814426)

I'd say it looks better than iPhone OS, and that says something. I hope HTC (or Lenovo, or someone else competent) buys them (and their substantial patent portfolio) and makes an iPad competitor based on WebOS, just to piss off Apple. Steve Jobs will be livid -- any lawsuit will only bring an equal and opposite countersuit, and the software is Apple quality (indeed, much of it was written by ex-Apple engineers and designed by ex-Apple designers), which makes it twice as painful.

Re:WebOS actually looks great (2, Informative)

failedlogic (627314) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814512)

The tentativeness of this 'news' seems important. Goes up on a Sunday before markets open. I'd hate to say it, I wouldn't put it past a competitor to drop a rumor like this as a kick in the nuts.

The iPad competitor based on WebOS has me chuckling and dreaming of the possibilities. Steve will be so livid to see this happen I'll be LOL'ing.

Its too bad some cell phones are locked down so much. If price for WebOS wouldn't be so bloody high, would make a really nice project to open source.

Re:WebOS actually looks great (1)

SpeedyG5 (762403) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814596)

Sounds like you have Apple issues, teenaged windows angst or something Let me get this straight, you want them to make and iPad competitor "just to piss off Apple"? I'd imagine that any company that would do this would be out of business in short order, falling to keep their focus about where its going and what's its producing. Your eagerness sounds almost giddy, like a child that is gonna show your daddy how life is really done, before he has a clue. Why this is marked '4 interesting' is astonishing, is it that it brings up the genius idea that HTC or Lenovo should by them?

Re:WebOS actually looks great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814676)

Dude, he's like totally serious. You're just jealous because you didn't think of if first, you petulant child. Now grow up already! ;-p

Re:WebOS actually looks great (4, Informative)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 4 years ago | (#31815488)

WebOS is by far the best mobile OS on the market. It's still young and still has its problems, but the GUI is as beautiful as it is useful. The "type anything anywhere" concept is beautiful. You want to set an alarm and can't remember that you do that in the clock ap and you don't remember where it is? That's fine...type in alarm from anywhere in the UI and it'll show you the clock icon. It handles multitasking well, looks miles better than anything else on the market, and the best part....there's a backdoor purposely left in for us nerd types to install unapproved apps, overclock the processor, etc. Palm did everything right with WebOS except the marketing.

My first choice for a purchaser would be HTC. They could take their form factors they were designing for Windows Mobile phones, dump WebOS on it, and have market penetration nearly over night. They're going to have to have new designs/concepts for WM7 soon anyway. Either way, there's going to be a bidding war for Palm because of all the patents they hold. The WORST possible thing that could happen would be Apple buying them for the patents and dissolving the software.

Too bad (3, Insightful)

frist (1441971) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814464)

That's a shame, the Palm Pre really is a nice phone, I prefer it to the iPhone. WebOS is nicer, and the native SDK is out now. The browsing experience was comparable when I compared iphone to pre. And it has a real keyboard that pops out. They totally blew the ads though, those horrible TV ads w/the weird chick going "oh wait, I just did that" - most likely alienated many potential customers. I know the freaked me out.

Re:Too bad (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814612)

And it has a real keyboard that pops out.

Yeah, I heard they had some hardware problems.

more than 3 is chaos (2, Interesting)

nohumor (1735852) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814502)

buy out of palm will be great move if it leads to consolidation of mobile OSes. as of now, we have OS X, android, symbian, winmo, blackberry, webOS, etc... typically most industry have 3 big guys, that is the case for desktop too - win, mac, linux. i think blackberry should buy out palm. blackberry makes solid devices but lack the gee-whiz factor which webOS and ex-apple employees at palm can bring. nokia in turn should buy out blackberry to create a platform which is solid, functional and cool.

Re:more than 3 is chaos (3, Insightful)

SpeedyDX (1014595) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814842)

Then HTC should buy out Nokia to combine great touchscreen hardware with a solid/cool/functional platform, and then LG should buy out HTC and put cool blinking lights [youtube.com] and win back the teenage girl market. But by then the phone would have lost their business market so they would have to spin off their business-oriented smart phone division (formerly Blackberry). Of course, former Nokia employees would be pissed that LG is creating flip phones and using touchscreens so they all rage quit and form their own phone company that focuses on simple-to-use candy-bar and slider phones. Also because of the flip phone format, touchscreen user-friendliness would be rendered nearly useless, so LG would spin off their touch division (formerly HTC).

Are we done speculating now?

All of my Palm is up for sale too! (1)

hacker (14635) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814518)

What a coincidence... 10+ years of my collected Palm gadgets [gnu-designs.com] are up for sale too.. make me an offer :)

Re:All of my Palm is up for sale too! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31815450)

That's a sweet couch man, I'll give you £35 for it!

the one in the /. icon (2, Interesting)

perryizgr8 (1370173) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814522)

i have it with me. kept in my old drawer. even though its b/w touchscreen is old, and the cpu is 21Mhz, it was still very good. it had all the customizability my e71 has and had a very painless ui. indeed, it was better than the s60 ui in 5800.
i have never used the pre because its cdma, there's no decent cdma network here. and of course palm did not launch it outside the us.

no need to check news,yahoo anymore (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814526)

full page ad covers the screen & freezes still when the eXit is clicked. more/stupider corepirate nazi ad tricks every day now. coffee may be more important than what they present as 'news' anyway.

twitter seems faster with facts, & is only about 1/2 to 2/3 total bs. progress happens when 'giants' sleep/eat (everything)/excrete.

Palm don't want my money (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814552)

I live in a rich country in Europe. Palm will not take my money to buy a Pre, over a year after its introduction.

I hope Palm will serve as an example to companies: If you introduce a product whose sales are uncertain, you need to sell it worldwide as soon as possible, otherwise you are just turning down peoples money.

Palm: Great Engineers, Rubbish Marketeers.

Re:Palm don't want my money (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814750)

I live in a rich country in Europe

What sort of idiot talks like this?

Re:Palm don't want my money (0, Troll)

0ld_d0g (923931) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814942)

Apparently a rich idiot ! :P

Re:Palm don't want my money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814960)

I live in a European country where people have a high disposable income to spend on trivial things like smartphones.
I stated that to support my argument.

Your post, however, contains no argument, nothing.

Idiot.

Troll!? Crap, was expecting the funny mod :( (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31815432)

..Alas, a cold hearted mod dashed those hopes. *goes and cries*

Re:Palm don't want my money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814828)

I live in a rich country in Europe. Palm will not take my money to buy a Pre, over a year after its introduction.

Agreed, that's an absurd!
I'm unable no find Pre anywhere in Greece. It seems that there are no signs of it neither in Portugal nor in Ireland.

Re:Palm don't want my money (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814990)

I see what you did there. Goddam wops.

HTC (1)

anarche (1525323) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814592)

So HTC could pick up Palm, have their own (decent) OS and stop manufacturing for Android?

Android could be in trouble without HTC, especially down here in Oz, since AFAIK the only android phones atm are the Magic and Desire (coming soon)...

Re:HTC (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814618)

Why would HTC want to drop the (free) Android, which already has a strong following in its application store, in favor of WebOS?

Re:HTC (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814792)

Hedging their bets? I get the impression[1] Android is a bit of a moving target and Google aren't doing a great deal to standardize it. That kind of thing makes developers nervous.

[1] which may or not be reliable. I read slashdot, after all.

Re:HTC (4, Insightful)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 4 years ago | (#31815106)

HTC would own Palm's IP, which appears to be strong enough to ward off Apple - as Apple are suing HTC for features in Android (huh?) currently, this would both strengthen their hand with Apple, and with Google and the Open Handset Alliance, and also give them a choice of going HTC-WebOS, using Android, or Windows Phone 7 (which now you can't skin it removes HTC's Sense UI)

Re:HTC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814658)

I don't think Android is at any risk of being "in trouble" anytime soon, and I don't think HTC would stop making Android devices if they came out with a WebOS phone. They'd probably want to hedge their bets in case Android becomes too much of a commodity, or on the off chance that WebOS actually takes off.

Re:HTC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31815278)

Doubtful. If anything, I'd see HTC possibly replacing WinMo with WebOS, while hedging by keeping Android handsets.

Nintendo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31814688)

I think Nintendo should be looking into the mobile space and this would be a fantastic time to jump in!

With the iPhone and Android devices starting to gain the possibility (and backing) of good handheld games Nintendo might be in trouble in a couple of years. Nintendo does have a different market, but I wonder how much of that market will pass up a little bit of extra gaming features in return for a fully functioning phone as well.

Anyone up for a Nintendo 3G3DS?

Chris

I thought U2 had a stake (3, Interesting)

cyberzephyr (705742) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814716)

I thought the band U2 had a stake in Palm?

Re:I thought U2 had a stake (4, Informative)

santax (1541065) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814964)

Don't know why you are being mod funny. The investment firm of Bono (elevation -something) actually has put a lot of money in Palm. http://www.benzinga.com/general/193399/bono-named-worst-investor-palm [benzinga.com] . Seems that elevation is quite relative!

Re:I thought U2 had a stake (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31815268)

Palm. huh huh. You whack off totally. heh heh.

Insider Trading ? (1)

BlueTrin (683373) | more than 4 years ago | (#31814992)

The stock started to rise last week on Wednesday. Luck or insider trading ?

Re:Insider Trading ? (1)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 4 years ago | (#31815112)

They publicised their earnings projections, it was pretty bloody obvious that they were ripe for purchase

Understatement of the week (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 4 years ago | (#31815458)

From the summary:

Palm Inc., creator of the Pre smartphone

A few (million) people own devices that Palm made prior to the Pre...

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