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StarCraft Cheating Scandal Rocks Korea

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the take-a-dive-when-the-princess-appears dept.

The Almighty Buck 471

dotarray writes with this snippet: "The largest scandal in e-sports history is currently unfolding in Korea, with revelations that a number of current pro gamers are involved with match setups and illegal betting. While the gamers are unnamed at this point, the story is said to touch many A-list StarCraft celebrities, including sAviOr, Ja Mae Yoon, one of the best-known and most successful players of all time."

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Who cares? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31827676)

Koreans, apparently.

(it's because they're stupid)

Re:Who cares? (5, Insightful)

Fluffeh (1273756) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827740)

Actually, if I was betting on the outcome of a contest between two people, I would sure as hell care if they were fixing the outcome and I wouldn't say I am stupid.

Oh, I get it, you just wanted a first post and had nothing better to post than racism. Guess who looks stupid now?

Re:Who cares? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31827746)

Guess who looks stupid now?

The one who didn't post as AC?

Re:Who cares? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31828148)

different AC here, but I think he's spot on. really, who the fuck cares about starcraft? it's a shit game.

and koreans are fucking stupid. try looking at what fraction of .kr hits on your web site are from samsung.co.kr and get ready for a nice surprise.

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31828194)

Don't feed the trolls.

Re:Who cares? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31828200)

We live in a world were there are still children starving to death, men being tortured, and women getting raped and sold into slavery. But thank God you were here to fight back against an anonymous person who made a racist comment on Slashdot. You are a fucking hero.

Re:Who cares? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31828226)

And you think that racism has nothing to do with all that starving, torturing, raping and slavery?

First you make your people think that the enemy is less than they, sub-human, then they can justify doing all kinds of things you wouldn't do to "real" people.

Ignorant fuckhead, you are probably a teabagger. .

How is this news? (2, Interesting)

allaunjsilverfox2 (882195) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827686)

Seriously, I was expecting something like a bot ring or involvement in a virus that spread via the game.

Re:How is this news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31827796)

I agree with you, but I also want to know how this is cheating.

Cheating the system, maybe, but if you want to go with that kind of sensationalism, why not go for broke and use "illegal betting scandal" instead? They also use the word "illegal" a lot, as though it would be legal without the word "illegal" there. This is helpful if it's there once or twice to indicate that it's illegal in South Korea, and that's why it's such a big deal, but this reminds me of "illegal pirate material."

There's nothing non-sensationalist about this article.

Re:How is this news? (2, Insightful)

Decollete (1637235) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827898)

Koreans will react the same way if this was American Football and teams were fixing matches to screw over betting.

Re:How is this news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31828052)

I get how big it is over there, I actually rather enjoy following the pro gaming circuits (MSL disaster and all that). I just don't get why they chose to use the term "cheating" when no actual cheating by the players has occurred - nobody was using programs or aides to modify their play. Furthermore, even actual aides - as in somebody once knew some cheese was coming because the crowd was going nuts - haven't been considered cheating. So it seems odd to me that "cheating" is the term to pick.

Like I said, you can argue that it's cheating the system, and I'd buy that, but there are still better ways to phrase it to indicate that it's a Really Big Deal (tm).

Re:How is this news? (2, Insightful)

Dalambertian (963810) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827872)

I started following Starcraft a couple years ago, mostly through YouTube commentaries like diggity, klazart, moletrap, and their ilk. Anyone following the scene knows this is seriously bad news for our fledgling sport, and for e-sports in general. Perhaps it's a sign of maturity, or maybe it's just in time for new blood - for StarCraft 2 to take root. Still, it's very disheartening to hear.

Oh my goodness (5, Funny)

socceroos (1374367) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827688)

My world has fallen to pieces!

Re:Oh my goodness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31828142)

ZERG RUSHED! Kekeke! ^_^ V

A-list? What? (1, Funny)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827690)

Do these people have the tabloids after them? Leaked sex tapes by spurned beaus? Drug rehab every other month? No? How are they A-list celebrities then???

Re:A-list? What? (5, Informative)

Some.Net(Guy) (1733146) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827712)

In Korea, video gaming is a professional sport. These guys they mention are bigger celebrities to Koreans than, say, LeBron James is to Americans. You think I'm joking or exaggerating, but I assure you I am not.

Re:A-list? What? (0, Troll)

gowen (141411) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827786)

Oh, yeah? Then why is the first google hit for "Ja Me Yoon" a link back to this slashdot article?

Re:A-list? What? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31827836)

Probably because his name is typically written in Hangul?

Re:A-list? What? (4, Insightful)

Dalambertian (963810) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827884)

For starters, try googling it in Korean?

Re:A-list? What? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31827900)

Hello, and welcome to the world! Despite what the crappy Disney ride says, the world is a big place, where many people speak any languages and, shockingly, use different characters for writing.

Re:A-list? What? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31827926)

Ma Jae-Yoon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_Jae-Yoon

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Ma+Jae-Yoon

Re:A-list? What? (2, Insightful)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827876)

Speaking as a non-American... who the f**k is Lebron James???

Re:A-list? What? (1)

omglolbah (731566) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827908)

What he said...

Re:A-list? What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31827916)

Some basketball player, I think.

Re:A-list? What? (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827932)

It was an example for Americans. Perhaps someone more like David Beckham is more up your alley as an example?

Re:A-list? What? (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 4 years ago | (#31828180)

That's an example Americans wouldn't get. They don't know what football is. [augmentedplanet.com]

Re:A-list? What? (5, Funny)

syousef (465911) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827938)

Speaking as a non-American... who the f**k is Lebron James???

Who knows. I haven't heard of him either. Best guess based on this story: He probably plays Warcraft instead of Starcraft.

Re:A-list? What? (1)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827950)

It's the name they gave Ja Me Yoon at Ellis Island when he moved to the US.

Re:A-list? What? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31828110)

As an American, I have no idea who that is either. Bad example, perhaps.

Re:A-list? What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31828132)

NBA (American professional basketball league) star player for the Cleveland (a city in the U.S. State of Ohio) Cavaliers. That's probably more than you need or care to know.

Re:A-list? What? (5, Informative)

EvanED (569694) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827906)

A couple posts (e.g. the top one on this page [teamliquid.net] ) dispute it's at that degree of popularity:

bjornkavist:

You over estimate the popularity of Starcraft. Since this is a Starcraft site that covers pro BW from a foreign stand point it seems like the biggest thing in the world. When sadly, when compared to Hockey in Canada, or Football in the States, its no where near as popular. Yes people know about it, tons do, compared to other countries but Koreand definately dont breathe Starcraft.

PanzerDragoon:

I would say SC is most comparable to MMA in the states; a niche sport with a decent sized hardcore fanbase, but not wide casual appeal.

Re:A-list? What? (1)

pinkj (521155) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827970)

I don't know who LeBron James and Ja Mae Yoon are. Maybe it's because I'm Canadian. Go Gretzky!

Re:A-list? What? (5, Funny)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 4 years ago | (#31828010)

Gretzky? Wasn't he the guy who played on the LA Kings?

Re:A-list? What? (5, Funny)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 4 years ago | (#31828120)

That's it, you're going on my foe list... :)

Re:A-list? What? (3, Informative)

DreadPiratePizz (803402) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827718)

Actually yes, in Korea they do have the tabloids cover them. Some even date actresses. Everybody knows of Boxer, Savior and Bisu. Everybody.

and this relates to /. how? (-1, Troll)

MoFoQ (584566) | more than 4 years ago | (#31828218)

and this news relates to Slashdot, News for Nerds, how?

I'm a nerd...but I'm not Korean...nor care about pro-Starcraft 1 tourneys (besides, if it was SC2, then....it might better).

Re:A-list? What? (3, Informative)

tensop (1232374) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827720)

Starcraft is korea's national sport. they're most definately celebrities

Re:A-list? What? (-1, Offtopic)

sys.stdout.write (1551563) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827742)

Your spelling, capitalization, and punctuation errors in no way impact the efficacy of your point.

Re:A-list? What? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31827788)

Right, because everyone must be a native english speaker to make a point.

Re:A-list? What? (1)

Razalhague (1497249) | more than 4 years ago | (#31828016)

Right, because everyone must be a native English speaker to spell, capitalize, and punctuate correctly.

For example, I'm not.

Re:A-list? What? (1)

Cimexus (1355033) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827936)

Do these people have the tabloids after them? Leaked sex tapes by spurned beaus? Drug rehab every other month? No? How are they A-list celebrities then???

In Korea? Yes.

(Except maybe for the drug rehab...)

Professional gaming in Korea is on a whole other plane than it is in the West. I mean, many of these guys ~live~ in dedicated training camps (i.e. they eat, sleep and game in a building with other gamers) in preparation for big competitions, with rigorous daily schedules. It's serious business. (And I say that completely non-sarcastically)

Re:A-list? What? (1)

dushkin (965522) | more than 4 years ago | (#31828070)

Leaked sex tapes by spurned beaus?

Sex? This is Starcraft we're talking about.

In a way it's nice.. (2, Insightful)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827700)

It is nice to be part of a demographic that couldn't give a rat's ass about the whole thing, including MMOs and the surrounding scene.

Re:In a way it's nice.. (2, Insightful)

Dalambertian (963810) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827918)

Funny, that's exactly what I thought when I heard about Tiger Woods.

Re:In a way it's nice.. (2, Funny)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 4 years ago | (#31828026)

Yeah, but Tiger's /. ID is, coincidentally, 963809.

Re:In a way it's nice.. (5, Funny)

Punto (100573) | more than 4 years ago | (#31828182)

instead, you're part of the demographic that cares about "Dancing with the stars". Congratulations.

Name is wrong - Jae Yoon Ma (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31827708)

His first name is Jae Yoon, and his surname is Ma. Typically written in Korean with the surname first, as Ma Jae Yoon. Ja Mae Yoon is wrong.

Re:Name is wrong - Jae Yoon Ma (-1, Flamebait)

syousef (465911) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827912)

His first name is Jae Yoon, and his surname is Ma. Typically written in Korean with the surname first, as Ma Jae Yoon. Ja Mae Yoon is wrong.

Yes but it's pronounced: Haf Know Lyef

I'm not rascist. It's Haf Know Lyef no matter what language.

Re:Name is wrong - Jae Yoon Ma (0, Offtopic)

P1aGu3ed (979864) | more than 4 years ago | (#31828098)

Is that like Yo Ma Ma?

Re:Name is wrong - Jae Yoon Ma (1)

forkazoo (138186) | more than 4 years ago | (#31828216)

His first name is Jae Yoon, and his surname is Ma. Typically written in Korean with the surname first, as Ma Jae Yoon. Ja Mae Yoon is wrong.

Stop using the term "first name" to refer to a second name. It isn't helping. "Given name," works pretty much universally, without implying a correct order.

This is why I only play D&D (3rd ed.) (5, Funny)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827722)

I played Starcraft for a while, and I was very impressed with how balanced the gameplay was and how thought out the interface was. Blizzard did a great job making that game.

But it really stifles the creativity of the player by restricting actions to a very specific set of pre-programmed actions. You *must* farm for Vespene gas. you *must* collect crystals. There is little room for true creativity and adventuring. Today's FPS games are actually getting better at allowing this kind of freedom.

But to really get the most out of a game, you have to use your imagination. There's nothing more challenging than interacting with your friends and working out puzzles with nothing more than paper, dice, and pewter figurines. Dungeons and Dragons (and other clones of it) is the ultimate game because it removes artificially created limits and depends completely on how much you are invested in it.

If people are cheating and rigging game competitions, it's only because there is something to rig. Try cheating in D&D and you'll find that you only cheat yourself.

BadAnalogyGuy (aka Black Leaf)

Re:This is why I only play D&D (3rd ed.) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31827770)

Dungeons and Dragons (and other clones of it) is the ultimate game because it removes artificially created limits and depends completely on how much you are invested in it.

If I play D&D can I not go out and fight monsters/dungeon crawl, spending my time being I dunno, a merchant or going around picking up chicks? Or will I be attacked by mythical creatures for no apparent reason and be forced to fight no matter what I want.

What I ask is, if the scope of the game is adventuring, can I play it like a dating sim.

Re:This is why I only play D&D (3rd ed.) (2, Funny)

GrumblyStuff (870046) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827824)

Well, you'd need a different set of rules and, presumably, a DM you're comfortable with sexually (depending what you plan to be doing with said chicks).

"k, rolling for gender check."
"You did that already."
"Yeah, well, after last time, I feel like rolling again. Panties of Binding +5, my ass...."
"I didn't make the tuckback rule. You got a problem? Take it up with the book!"

Re:This is why I only play D&D (3rd ed.) (1)

sys.stdout.write (1551563) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827792)

You *must* farm for Vespene gas. you *must* collect crystals. There is little room for true creativity and adventuring. There is little room for true creativity and adventuring.

I can't tell if I'm being trolled or not.

It's an RTS. Comparing Starcraft to RPGs is apples to oranges. That's like criticizing chess because you *must* move your pawn or *must* move your knight.

The real question in all this is whether Starcraft 2 is hackable or not.

Re:This is why I only play D&D (3rd ed.) (1)

Lueseiseki (1189513) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827840)

Are you implying there's a computer game that's completely unhackable?

Re:This is why I only play D&D (3rd ed.) (1)

gzipped_tar (1151931) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827826)

Totally irrelevant. If there's a betting business targeting D&D there *will* be cheating, game fixing and fraud.

As some /.er has said, you can't defeat a profit incentive.

Re:This is why I only play D&D (3rd ed.) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31827838)

Black Leaf

Nooo!!!!

Re:This is why I only play D&D (3rd ed.) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31827942)

Try cheating in D&D and you'll find that you only cheat yourself.

Thank you for that public service announcement. Remember kids, stay in school!

Re:This is why I only play D&D (3rd ed.) (1)

socceroos (1374367) | more than 4 years ago | (#31828004)

What are your reasons for not playing 4th ed.?

For me personally, I've been a bit disappointed with 4th edition because they're trying so hard to make all characters 'equal'. I don't care what you say, Gandalf will always pwn Aragon - he's the freaking white wizard for blinky's sake! Let him be!

Re:This is why I only play D&D (3rd ed.) (1)

Samah (729132) | more than 4 years ago | (#31828126)

Try cheating in D&D and you'll find that you only cheat yourself.

Cheating is fine until your DM notices. Then it's "hello 2000 XP penalty" and "your character is struck down by a curse where all actions must be announced in pig latin or you take 3 necrotic damage at beginning of your turn (save ends)".
Actually, next time I DM I'm gonna use that. :)

As long as it's not Boxer, I'm ok (5, Interesting)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827728)

Here's a weird quote from the article:

As part of Korea's human rights laws, it is illegal to release criminals' names - they can only be implied - which means that as the police have now gotten involved, we may never be officially told who was involved in this drama.

You can't know criminals' names in Korea? Kind of weird.

Re:As long as it's not Boxer, I'm ok (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31827764)

"You can't know criminals' names in Korea? Kind of weird."

It has it's positives i.e. vigilante justice and not getting ones life ruined if accused of a heinus crime (pedophelia, sexual assault, etc).

In america I find the fact they publish the names of sex offenders grotesque because rehabilitation and re-entering society to lead a normal life is impossible, this vigalante mob justice has never sat well with me.

Re:As long as it's not Boxer, I'm ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31827944)

You're still better off than the Japanese. There, they'll publish where you work, who your family is, and everything.

In that country, if you're even remotely associated with someone *accused* of a crime, you're tainted and deserve to be punished.

Re:As long as it's not Boxer, I'm ok (1)

onefriedrice (1171917) | more than 4 years ago | (#31828178)

In america I find the fact they publish the names of sex offenders grotesque because rehabilitation and re-entering society to lead a normal life is impossible, this vigalante mob justice has never sat well with me.

That's now really what it's about. Personally, if I have small kids and I move into a new neighborhood, the lists are invaluable. It doesn't make rehabilitation impossible either because names expire from the lists, but of course (like any other felon), you have to be truthful to your would-be employers if they ask you. I have no problem with any of this.

Re:As long as it's not Boxer, I'm ok (5, Insightful)

rebot777 (765163) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827828)

It's most likely you can't know alleged criminals names for their protection. A concern I have with current US society is the media's influence on our views of 'alleged criminals'. If you're in a high profile case and it turns out you're not guilty the inertia of public opinion against you for being accused can haunt you for the rest of your life. I believe these laws are in response to such situations.

Re:As long as it's not Boxer, I'm ok (1)

DreadPiratePizz (803402) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827854)

Here's the list of the players. The source is fomos. Myung Soo (Yarnc), Chan Soo (Luxury), Sang Ho (SangHo), Jung Woo (EffOrt), Yong Hwa (Movie), Jae Yoon (sAviOr), Taek Yong (Bisu), Byong Goo (Stork), Jae Wook (BeSt), il Jang (hero), Myung Hoon (fantasy), Heui Seung (UpMaGiC), Jae Dong (Jaedong), Sang Moon (Leta), Jong Seo (Justin), Chang Hee (go.go)

Re:As long as it's not Boxer, I'm ok (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827874)

Be careful just spreading that list around without any qualification.

That is a list of players who are under investigation. It may not be complete, and it's highly likely to include many players who didn't participate.

Re:As long as it's not Boxer, I'm ok (4, Informative)

gzipped_tar (1151931) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827856)

Criminals? I guess you mean criminal suspects, since it's the police rather than the court that "have gotten involved".

Re:As long as it's not Boxer, I'm ok (1)

XiaoMing (1574363) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827882)

You can't know criminals' names in Korea? Kind of weird.

Yeah ditto on that weirdness vibe. Kind of makes one wonder how they handle something like America's Sex Offender registry.

Re:As long as it's not Boxer, I'm ok (5, Insightful)

Cimexus (1355033) | more than 4 years ago | (#31828106)

I doubt they have an equivalent. Even in other ~Western~ countries there is often no equivalent of such a registry. It's one of those things I always found a bit odd about America actually.

Where I live, you either don't release a serious criminal who is going to have a tendency to re-offend, or tabs are kept on them in other ways (house confinement, surveillance, radio bracelets etc.). I mean sure, the people who live nearby to the to-be-released sex offender will be notified and have a right to object to/block the offender moving into that area. But that doesn't extend to the whole world being able to punch in a random address and see who's around.

I'm not American so I may have misinterpreted what the Registry actually does. If so I apologise. But my impression was that ~anyone~ can search for nearby offenders ~anywhere~, even if that location has nothing to do with them.

Re:As long as it's not Boxer, I'm ok (1)

stephanruby (542433) | more than 4 years ago | (#31828000)

Anonymous must be huge there!

Re:As long as it's not Boxer, I'm ok (3, Insightful)

Cimexus (1355033) | more than 4 years ago | (#31828056)

It's a similar principle as in the West, where you generally can't release the names of suspected offenders (or victims) who are minors (or at least that's how it is here in Australia ... you often hear 'the offender's identity cannot be revealed because s/he was under 18 at the time of the crime). This applies to both those merely accused and awaiting trial, as well as those convicted (or for that matter, exonerated).

The Korean law just goes a step further and extends this protection to all people involved in criminal matters.

I kinda like the idea actually, although there are some obvious caveats. The general public certainly has no right to demonise someone accused of a crime before it's been proved. And even once they are convicted, it is not really the general public's business to know criminals' names, other than obviously those connected with the crime (victims/families etc). They will pay a penalty under the law (a fine, community service, jail time etc) ... but once that debt is paid they have a right to move back into society without being discriminated against for the rest of their lives. And keeping their name out of the media is one way to do that.

The counter-argument is made that people have a right to know if they are living near/employing/otherwise engaging with people who have been found guilty of serious crime (particularly sex offenders or murderers). And it's a good counter-argument. Perhaps we can draw a line and say "people convicted of the most serious crimes or those with no hope of rehabilitation can have their identities revealed, but for minor to moderate crimes, the criminals should remain anonymous". Either that or we toughen up sentencing so that serious criminals don't GET reintroduced into society in the first place ... then the whole argument becomes moot.

Re:As long as it's not Boxer, I'm ok (1)

crossmr (957846) | more than 4 years ago | (#31828062)

This article is all over the place. They write the guys name a couple ways. The one under the picture is the more correct romanization, and yes it should refer to suspects. The papers often print the names of convicted people here.

When money is involved (5, Insightful)

Kitkoan (1719118) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827736)

Some people will do anything to get even more money. Its also possible that some of the Starcraft players are seeing a dead end of their time playing gaming professionally. As in they might not be that great at most RTS games, but amazing at Starcraft. And with Starcraft 2 coming along closer and closer, it might be the writing on the wall for Starcraft 1's viability. Cash out while they can and all?

Re:When money is involved (1)

Decollete (1637235) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827842)

Well, maybe aside from that, old players will never match the speed of young players. I guess this is them leaving their mark before their retirement, albeit a bad one. And also, that is, if Starcraft 2 does become popular. While what I know is mostly about fighting games, successors of the series really need to prove themselves in term of game balance and depth. Otherwise, these pro gamers will stick with the old version and leave the new games collecting dust.

Re:When money is involved (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31827860)

Some people will do anything to get even more money. Its also possible that some of the Starcraft players are seeing a dead end of their time playing gaming professionally. As in they might not be that great at most RTS games, but amazing at Starcraft. And with Starcraft 2 coming along closer and closer, it might be the writing on the wall for Starcraft 1's viability. Cash out while they can and all?

because SC2 is an FPS?
I'm in the beta, it's the same game with better graphics. All players of the original play SC2.

Re:When money is involved (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31827864)

Well thats greatest weakness of "Professional Gaming" isn't it? The moment you move from one game to another, very few 'skills' actually translate over even within genres and even brand names.

C&C:Tiberium Wars plays differently from C&C:Red Alert 3 which plays differently from C&C:Tiberian Twilight, even though they're all under the C&C brand name. Counter-Strike 1.5 plays differently from 1.6 and even that plays differently from Counter-Strike Source.

Console gaming isn't immune either. Halo's multiplayer has always changed radically between the three games. CoD4 to CoD:MW2 was like playing an entirely different game due to the new perk and kill-streak system.

Re:When money is involved (1)

Cimexus (1355033) | more than 4 years ago | (#31828128)

That's a good point. Although, I wonder if the differences between games in a franchise are more or less significant an obstacle to changing game than it would be for a professional sportsperson changing to a related sport.

There's been quite a few high profile Rugby (League) players crossing over to Rugby (Union) in the past few years here in Australia, for example. The games are related and certainly share a similar skill-set, but the rules and strategies are reasonably different. Things like the relative importance of strength vs. speed vary etc. I think this is a fairly good analogy for changing between, say, Counter Strike 1.5 and 1.6 (the games 'feel' quite different, but share higher-level strategies).

Apologies for the 'local' analogy with Rugby, but I was hard-pressed to think of two American sports similar enough to each other to make the analogy work. Maybe baseball and softball or something? Showing my ignorance here...

Re:When money is involved (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31828124)

Some people will do anything to get even more money.

Yeah really, some of these guys even dope up on Mountain Dew and Cheetos just before a game. Wait till the news gets definitive proof of that scandal!

so tell me (1)

sakura the mc (795726) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827756)

how would you apply "zerg rush" in this situation?

Nooooo! Not Ja Mae Yoon !! TELL ME IT AIN'T SO ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31827774)

Ja Mae Yoon is da man !! If he goes down, it all goes down. This is number 10 !! Number 6? Who is Number 2?

got caught using cheat codes (3, Funny)

QuantumSlip (613532) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827818)

apparently someone used show me the money too many times...

Re:got caught using cheat codes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31828072)

you obviously never played starcraft online. No one uses money cheats, it's all Black sheep wall cheats.

Sports analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31827820)

Reading this I couldn't help but think of the sports analogies from professional athletes getting caught cheating in other sports. The headline that I found humorous when thinking of this article would read something like this.

"The players were caught injecting illegal performance enhancing packets to improve their gameplay."

Hopefully somebody finds that comment as amusing as I did.

Re:Sports analogy (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827858)

There are a couple mentions on the TeamLiquid threads about this scandal relating it to the 1919 Black Sox [wikipedia.org] scandal in Baseball, where some members of the White Sox threw the World Series to the Cincinnati Reds. That incident led to a lifetime ban for eight White Sox players.

e-sports? really? (0, Flamebait)

swordgeek (112599) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827878)

When did playing computer games become a 'sport?'

Re:e-sports? really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31827920)

If playing computer games isn't a sport, then Chess is not a sport.

Re:e-sports? really? (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827984)

I was following pro-Starcraft for a while (I think it's great fun to watch a good match, and watching SC has made me understand more why someone would watch football or whatever) and am definitely not in a "why are we paying them to do that" category.

I also used to play competitive chess (admittedly very poorly; my USCF rating was ~900).

But I'm not sure basing an argument off of "chess is not a sport" is the most convincing argument you can make. ;-)

Re:e-sports? really? (1)

gzipped_tar (1151931) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827960)

Chung Mong-Joon, President of Korea's Football Association, head of the Hyundai group, and also member of the National Assembly, is a great supporter of professional computer gaming. News has it that he's trying to push computer gaming into the Asian Games. Perhaps the Olympic Games or something like a Computer Gaming World Cup is his next goal.

Re:e-sports? really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31827978)

Not too long after walking around and occasionally swinging a metal stick at a ball did.

Re:e-sports? really? (2, Insightful)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 4 years ago | (#31828104)

Is Chess a sport? What about Go?

If you said yes to both of those questions, why not any other game of strategy/tactics?

Re:e-sports? really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31828232)

No, they are not. Next question please.

Re:e-sports? really? (1)

Cimexus (1355033) | more than 4 years ago | (#31828140)

Oh wow ... Google around for some documentaries on professional gamers in Korea and prepare to have your mind blown. These people are national celebrities and take home big fat paychecks.

Coming soon, the Hollywood take (1)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827894)

Eight Terran Out

Wait a minute! (0, Redundant)

billsayswow (1681722) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827952)

So that one player who kept typing "power overwhelming" every match wasn't just bragging about his skill in broken English? Wow, I thought it was just his catchphrase...

I Feel So Betrayed... (5, Funny)

Comatose51 (687974) | more than 4 years ago | (#31827974)

I feel so betrayed. This must be how Tassadar felt when Aldaris arrested him upon his return after discovering the key to slaying the Overmind. It is as though I am Kerrigan abandoned by Acturus Mengsk to be captured by the Zergs. Today I am Jim Raynor, a warrior cut loose from his own people.

This does deserve a story (2, Informative)

n_are_q (659833) | more than 4 years ago | (#31828046)

As someone who occasionally follows the SC happenings in Korea, I can attest to the fact that this is a huge story there. The fame of these players really is comparable to that of football or basketball stars in the states.

More to the point, there is real talent, years of honing your skill, and real fans involved here. That's what makes this match fixing a real deal. That's too bad, this young sport deserves better.
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