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Hard Drives Shipping with Star Trek

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the hello-computer dept.

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crimeandpunishment writes "Paramount Pictures is trying to live long and prosper by selling Seagate Technology hard drives with the latest Star Trek movie on board ... along with 20 other films. The 500GB hard drive will sell for a special promotional price of $100. It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to piracy."

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$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832992)

The 500GB hard drive will sell for a special promotional price of $100.

Oh yeah that is, of course, if you don't want to watch the titles. If you want to watch the movies:

The other movies distributed by Paramount, including "GI Joe," ''Nacho Libre" and "Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius" come pre-loaded with a digital lock that requires a code that can be purchased online for $10 to $15 each. Even watching "Star Trek" requires registration.

So yeah it's $100 or over triple that if you actually want to watch the "promotional" material. Otherwise you're buying a hard drive with a (presumably Windows) partition that has Windows DRM and twenty movies taking up 50 gigabytes of space. Sounds to me like a lame AOL CD that gets you working with the shit and then hopes that you just keep using their platform for buying and downloading movies.

I guess a brave soul could buy the drive and leave the 50 gigs intact and then download the 20 movies and feign ignorance if the MPAA comes knocking at the door. I wonder if there's some consumer protection laws that states if you buy something legally you have a right to enjoy it. Because right now you're buying a digital copy of something that is encrypted but you're not receiving the license that is required to watch it. They better carefully label that the PROMOTION part of the sale lest a consumer figures that they're paying 10% for the movies and 90% for the drive and then becomes upset when they get home and can't watch the movies without ponying up an additional 200%-300%.

Both companies declined to say if they were taking a loss on the promotional price.

Really? Oh yeah, sounds like Sony is bending over backwards to trap you into paying the retail price of owning the digital movie that sells for $15 right now on Amazon [amazon.com] . They're using Seagate and Seagate customers are rubes to get around paying for streaming bandwidth of these 50 gigs to potential customers.

I choose to rate this tactic as USDA certified lame. Shame on Seagate. Shame on Sony. I feel sorry for those that might buy this without realizing what they're getting themselves into.

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (5, Informative)

wjousts (1529427) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833126)

Also, the drive itself is about twice the price of the cheapest 500 GB drive you can find on Pricewatch. So even as a 500 GB drive (if you're not interested in paying to watch the movies) it's a rip-off.

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (2, Funny)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833274)

AND it's a post-Maxtor buyout Seagate drive. Avoid at all costs.

How the mighty have fallen...

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (0, Offtopic)

electrosoccertux (874415) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833308)

Also, the drive itself is about twice the price of the cheapest 500 GB drive you can find on Pricewatch. So even as a 500 GB drive (if you're not interested in paying to watch the movies) it's a rip-off.

no u misunderstand, the film was ripped off the dvd ONTO the hard drive.

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (1)

c++0xFF (1758032) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833546)

Newegg has various Seagate 500GB drives priced between $55 and $160. And I can buy the DVD from amazon.com for $17. Or less ($12) if I go with their individual sellers.

What's the point, again? Oh, there's this:

Both companies declined to say if they were taking a loss on the promotional price. Both could be using the offer as a way to lure buyers for other related products they're selling.

Paramount, a unit of Viacom Inc., is selling its other movie titles, while Seagate Technology is selling a device that enables movies stored on hard drives to be played on television sets for $130.

Oh, they're trying to promote the idea of playing movies off a hard drive. Brilliant! Count me in! [/sarcasm]

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833558)

Also, the drive itself is about twice the price of the cheapest 500 GB drive you can find on Pricewatch. So even as a 500 GB drive (if you're not interested in paying to watch the movies) it's a rip-off.

Of course you realize that means it's price is about par for retail.

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (1)

wjousts (1529427) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833850)

Then you need to find some better retail channels to shop at. It's not clear from TFA whether this is supposed to be an internal or and external drive, but I'm assuming external. Even Best Buy has cheaper 500 GB external drives [bestbuy.com] .

Amazon referer ID (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833132)

Thanks for sneaking in your Amazon referer ID in the URL, asshole!

Re:Amazon referer ID (4, Funny)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833334)

Thanks for sneaking in your Amazon referer ID in the URL, asshole!

  1. Go to the Star Trek 2009 [amazon.com] page on Amazon.
  2. Hover over "Video On Demand" option.
  3. Note internal site auditing URL.
  4. Apologize.
  5. Look up how to spell referrer [wiktionary.org] .
  6. Have a nice day.

Re:Amazon referer ID (1, Funny)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833380)

7. ???
8. Profit!

(Sorry, I couldn't help myself)

Re:Amazon referer ID (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833538)

Herp derp; I'm a nigger.

Re:Amazon referer ID (1)

johny42 (1087173) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833810)

Thanks for sneaking in your Amazon referer ID in the URL, asshole!

What is your problem with that? Is the information he provided less relevant, insightful or interesting in any way? Oh, right. You're posting that as AC, so you probably already know you're just trolling.

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (0, Offtopic)

blackraven14250 (902843) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833144)

Wow, the first poster actually RTFA, and added something extremely informative to the discussion.

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (2, Funny)

SomeoneGotMyNick (200685) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833328)

Maybe so, but he could at least have ended his message with, "P.S. Frost Pist!!"

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833394)

But his post is shipping with Star Trek too.

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (4, Informative)

Uncle Rummy (943608) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833202)

And what's up with their $100 "promotioal" price, and the claim that "an empty 500 GB Seagate hard drive usually sells for $140"? It took me all of 20 seconds to find a 500 GB Seagate [newegg.com] on Newegg for $54.99 with free shipping.

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (1)

mobets (101759) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833504)

I don't think the article specified, but with the included content, I assumed an external (Seagate 500GB USB 2.0 External Hard Drive [newegg.com] ) for $69.99 with free shipping.

Ehm, you are forgetting Hollywood economics (4, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833672)

Remember in Hollywood a movie that earns millions in ticket sales, nonetheless fails to make a profit when the author has to be payed.

In Hollywood a shared movie does damages to the tune of roughly the world economy * infinity.

And in Hollywood a 500gb HD costs the price of a 2tb drive to anyone else.

This ain't even the typical scam of naming the recommended retail price as a the value of a gift, since Seagate doesn't even recommend this price itself.

Ah, hollywood and scamming. Remember, if you buy a movie, you are supporting these guys. Safe the free world, be a pirate!

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (5, Funny)

Reikk (534266) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833272)

In other words.. you could say this hard drive comes with Data?

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (0, Offtopic)

bendytendril (1281160) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833432)

C'mon mods that was funny.

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (5, Informative)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833306)

I noticed something similar when I picked up a copy of Gran Torino a few months ago. It came with a little insert that had a code I could allegedly use to download a digital copy of the movie. I thought, "That's cool, I can put it on my laptop and watch it on my next trip." Then I got to the website and was eventually prompted for a credit card number. They wanted more money for the privilege of obtaining a DRM'ed copy of the movie I already paid for.

Yeah, that was going to happen.....

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (2, Interesting)

IICV (652597) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833326)

Also, for $100 you can buy a reasonable 1 TB hard drive. A 500 GB non-insane speed drive should cost ~$50.

Since the movies won't come unlocked, you're paying ~$50 for 50 GB worth of data you could otherwise get for almost free, and which is almost free for them to provide. Is the movie industry just incapable of coming up with a business plan that doesn't involve ripping people off?

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (5, Insightful)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833454)

Is the movie industry just incapable of coming up with a business plan that doesn't involve ripping people off?

Is water wet?

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833518)

Wow. And I wanted to tag this story "awesome". The only question I had was, what filesystem?

Thanks for reading TFA!

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833618)

Well It is probably an external drive but over all it is just dumb.
I can get a 500GB external for less than $100. DRM is makes it a none starter for me. And I have NetFlix so I just put them on my list.
Just seems like the king of bad idea. What I worry about now is are the Movie companies going to infect External drives with anti piracy crap?
"I am sorry but it looks like you are ripping your DVDs I can not let you store these illegal files. Just pay for a digital copy to go along with that DVD like a good boy and all will be forgiven."

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (2, Insightful)

plover (150551) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833620)

People complain about DVD prices, about movie prices, about whatever the studios do that isn't "give away their stuff for free." And those same people (on slashdot and elsewhere) say "You need to find a new approach." So this looks like an effort by the studio to say "See, we're trying a new approach."

However, as you've pointed out, we all recognize this is simply a different approach to packaging and marketing, rather than trying to change the economic model. And this particular attempt is almost sleazy in that the movies are advertised but aren't coming with the rights to watch them.

But here's the deal: high quality movies still cost a truckload of money to make. And they're all a gamble: you can spend $200 million on a movie that flops at the box office, or you could spend that same $200 million and get an epic blockbuster; until the movie hits the screens you really don't know.

I don't expect them to ever give them away for free, and I don't think anyone should ever expect that. They'll simply stop investing money in big movies if there's no chance of payback. Then all we'll get are the low-budget films. (Not that they all suck, but they certainly mostly suck.) I suppose the plus side is that they'll stop giving Michael Bay to make fake-looking CGI explosions.

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833888)

The new approach is charging more than the DVD price? Then to add insult to injury charging an insane markup on a harddrive?

Low budget films are 90% crap, which is the same ratio as high budget films.

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (4, Interesting)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833670)

This diagram [imagechan.com] sums it up well.

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (1)

Lachlan Hunt (1021263) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833722)

It's not an entirely bad idea. The major drawback of the plan is that the films are infected with DRM, making them useless on any platform but Windows, and dependant upon the reliability of DRM activation servers. From past experience with several major vendors, these are not very reliable at all. They'll be shut down in a few years, causing customers to lose access to their films, forcing them to buy again.

I would consider buying the drive if it met the following conditions:

1. DRM free. I refuse to buy any films that are infected with DRM, except DVDs, of which I own a large collection and already ripped to my hard drive.
2. If the other included films, besides Star Trek which I've already got, were any good.
3. If the cost of the drive + films were being offered for a competitive price, better than what I could get buy getting them individually elsewhere.

Re:$100 ... PLUS $10-$15 Charger PER Title (1)

iplayfast (166447) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833806)

This is similar to a glad garbage bag promotion, where there is a code inside the box which allows you to download the movie.

So I took a chance, and went to the site. You have to enter your name and email as well as the code. (Huh? I thought it was a free promotion?).

So I took a chance, and entered my email etc. You can download for windows or Mac. Tried downloading with Linux, but the file was corrupted or something...

So I took a chance and got out the old computer. Redownloaded it, and tried to copy it to the usb drive, so I could watch it on the ps3.
It was corrupted or something, the ps3 couldn't understand it.

So I tried watching it on the windows box. It needed to download an active-x component. So I took a chance and downloaded the active-x componenet. Suddenly the movie worked.

So I now had a movie that I could watch on my dusty old computer, that is deeply buried in my office, instead of on the large tv screen, using the PS3 (which does everything except run Linux, and play movies from the glad garbage company, and plenty of other things).

Too bad the movie I had downloaded was for my wife and daughter, a real chickflick tear jerk love romance boring movie that would really fit the ambiance of my tiny office. (NOT)

To say it bluntly, I'm tired of being ripped off by companies that for some reason figure that I owe them my private information as well as restricting what hardware and software I can use.

so I took

Fixed that for ya. (5, Insightful)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833014)

" It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to netflix and other cheaper content avenues."

Re:Fixed that for ya. (5, Insightful)

FriendlyLurker (50431) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833056)

" It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to piracy" citation needed

Re:Fixed that for ya. (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833094)

...that's exactly what I was thinking.

I have a copy of GI Joe right here sitting on the printer that I haven't bothered with yet because I have been too busy streaming stuff on the Wii.

Re:Fixed that for ya. (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833168)

I've got 146 movies in my Watch It Now queue. It'll be a *long* time till I use my 3 out at a time discs (although the wife uses them most of the time).

Re:Fixed that for ya. (2, Funny)

plover (150551) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833342)

You have a copy of GI Joe "on the printer"?

You're doing it wrong.

Re:Fixed that for ya. (4, Funny)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833716)

It is perfectly legal to format shift media. Perhaps he just prefers the flip-book format his is video needs.

Re:Fixed that for ya. (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833724)

wtf. I swear that "his is" was originally "for his" when I typed it.

Re:Fixed that for ya. (1)

Muad'Dave (255648) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833808)

Maybe he printed out each frame of the movie in ascii art [wikipedia.org] and is going to compile a flip book [wikipedia.org] . The audio will be more difficult, IMHO.

Re:Fixed that for ya. (4, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833228)

Sounds closer to the truth. I have a hundred or so DVDs, but I've hardly bought any since I subscribed to a DVD rental service. I get 2-4 DVDs in the post every week to watch for about the same price as buying one DVD a month. There are very few DVDs that I've watched more than a couple of times, and I'd almost always watch something new than re-watch an old DVD, so buying doesn't make economic sense. Per viewing, it costs more than renting for all except the most exceptional films.

Re:Fixed that for ya. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833322)

I was going to go with "It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to a glut of crap movies nobody wants to see being released in the past fifteen years or so."

Re:Fixed that for ya. (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833360)

" It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to netflix and other cheaper content avenues."

I'm pretty annoyed with Netflix for cutting deals with a few studios to delay new releases. They got some sort of concession on pricing and in exchange agreed not to put up new releases right away. Rather than pay full price for the DVDs and make them available right away they opted to go along with Hollywood's protectionism of a dying business model.

Seems rather stupid to me. How many people actually buy a movie because they can't find it for rental? Somebody who liked the movie is going to buy it regardless of it being available on Netflix. Somebody who didn't like it that much or whom just doesn't see the point in owning many movies (I'm in this category, how many times are you going to watch the same movie?) wouldn't buy it regardless of rental availability.

Re:Fixed that for ya. (2)

jmauro (32523) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833470)

It's actually the movie studios forcing this and not Netflix. Netflix and RedBox signed the "deal" because they were pretty much forced to or have no access to movies sold on the bulk market.

Re:Fixed that for ya. (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833604)

I agree Netflix should've had more of a backbone, but in return they get the right to move more content to their streaming service (always a nice thing). My thoughts are, "So what if I can't watch it in the first 30 days? It's in my saved queue and will get dumped into my normal queue at some point." I'd argue things will be business as usual instead of folks running out to buy DVDs during the embargo window (or they'll just pirate them).

Re:Fixed that for ya. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833934)

Is your netflix queue so short that you notice a 28 day lag?
I have over 200 films in the queue at any given time, and I use a vm XP to play streaming. If it keeps prices low I am fine with a 1 month delay. Even if I cared the redbox is not far away.

Re:Fixed that for ya. (2)

fermion (181285) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833706)

Also, for Star Trek, lack of sales due to pricing content for the rental rather than consumer market. Voyager, a not popular title by most measure, is $250-300. Alias, a much more popular series by the person who did the new star trek, can occasionally be had for around $100. Now that is 5 season instead of 7, but it is still a difference between $20 a season and $35 a season. For old shows, and shows that want to be sold, $1 or so an episode is the price. For older show like the original Star Trek, the market is hovering around 50 cents an episode. ST:TOS is around $200.

Even Farscape eventually got sold and came down in price to something mortals could afford. And you know what? I bought it. I admit I had rips or many episodes, but when I could get DVDs I did. I must say the price gouging, at least IMHO, turned my off the whole franchise.

Not necessarily piracy (2, Funny)

Livius (318358) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833964)

"It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to Hollywood making crap."

Added bonus (3, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833028)

They also come loaded with a DRM system that will probably function like a virus or some form of malware to not only make it impossible to watch these movies without calling into the server, but also possibly scanning your system for other Paramount movies and either deleting them or reporting you to the MPAA. They could include 100 movies and it still wouldn't be worth it to have something like that lurking around on my system.

Frankly, I would have more trust in a hard drive I bought from a sleazy-looking dude with a Russian accent hanging on my local street corner. And Sergey is not very trustworthy.

Ahoy there! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833044)

Plug it in, point vsftp at it - help yourselves, kids!

Wait... I can see it already! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833068)

An interesting sequel: Snakes... On a hard drive!

Samuel Jackson: I've had it with those m***fscking snakes on this m****fscking hard drive!
*typety type type* rm -rf /mnt/paramount/snakes_on_a_hard_drive.avi [enter]
Samuel Jackson: There, done.

Re:Wait... I can see it already! (2, Funny)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833580)

It's vitally important that we recurse those sub, uh, avi files... *cough*

You know, to get the snakes.

Buying a license for the movies? (2, Funny)

siwelwerd (869956) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833076)

So, can I buy one of these drives, reformat it, and then torrent these movies legally?

Re:Buying a license for the movies? (4, Funny)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833176)

If you were going to throw these on a torrent, I recommend trying this BEFORE you format the drive.

Re:Buying a license for the movies? (1)

siwelwerd (869956) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833514)

If you were going to throw these on a torrent, I recommend trying this BEFORE you format the drive.

I meant download through a torrent of course :)

Re:Buying a license for the movies? (3, Insightful)

Rich0 (548339) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833194)

:) Good luck with that plan.

And, if nothing else you're massively overspending for a 500gb drive...

Re:Buying a license for the movies? (1)

poopdeville (841677) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833582)

It's my understanding that Canadians arguably do have the right he described. Having paid for a product, he can legally download a replacement because the original product is defective. (Yes, it's more nuanced than that -- it depends on how the product is marketed, if the box says you have to pay for the movies, etc) In that case, 100$ is somewhat a good deal. It comes to about $4.50/movie license, after discounting the price of a hard drive.

Ummm (4, Informative)

Kylere (846597) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833122)

"An empty 500 GB Seagate hard drive usually sells for $140" This is factually inaccurate, the only way I can see you spending that much on a 500 gig drive, especially the typically bad Seagate drives is to buy them at Best Buy. For that much cash Newegg was selling a 2TB drive yesterday.

Re:Ummm (1)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833318)

Well, you don't expect some Paramount idiot board member to shop anywhere other than a big box chain store, do you?

Remember, the Internet is the enemy of these people, so why would they ever think to shop at someplace like Newegg.

Re:Ummm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833624)

Actually the crappy 500GB drives at Best Buy are $70. (Yeah, yeah, I had two crappy 500GB drives in my RAID-1 and one of them failed over a weekend.)

Re:Ummm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833682)

I think it's a 2.5" drive, or something.

What filesystem? (-1, Flamebait)

JDmetro (1745882) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833124)

Some sort of MS BS no thanks.

Meh (4, Insightful)

ak_hepcat (468765) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833180)

I can get a 1TB hard-drive for under a $100 at many locations (costco, google-shopping) so this seems like a big waste of money to me.

Re:Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833536)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010150414%20131021336&name=1TB%20and%20higher

Re:Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833690)

I've seen them as low as a $80, and 2TB drives are even as low as a $140. Just my a 2c.

They also sell an HD with the Matrix Trilogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833198)

At 15% less than the price of a blank hard drive.

President of Seagate talked about this years ago (2, Insightful)

Beryllium Sphere(tm) (193358) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833246)

He was suggesting preloading content as a way to struggle against commoditization and to do something with today's enormous capacities. I don't think he mentioned saving bandwidth as a reason, but never underestimate the bandwidth of a 2TB drive on a UPS truck.

I don't have a citation for you, but I think it was a Forbes article.

Re:President of Seagate talked about this years ag (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833428)

never underestimate the bandwidth of a 2TB drive on a UPS truck.

Yes, but the pingtimes are awful!

Re:President of Seagate talked about this years ag (1)

Locklin (1074657) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833440)

This isn't it, but it could be done well and complete with Netflix. If the hard drives were the *same* price loaded with movies as empty, and you can "rent" movies by downloading a key. You end up with a similar user experience as with Netflix or cable "on-demand" movies. Sure, you have a small selection *but* you can "rent" movies almost instantly, even with dialup or cell-phone based internet.

Due to piracy? (4, Funny)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833258)

Well stop shipping your cargo through the waters off the coast of Somalia!

Re:Due to piracy? (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833678)

Forcing Somali pirates to watch Nacho Libre or GI Joe will finally make the seas safe for everyone, unless that is already against international conventions against torture.

Good idea! Combat piracy by making it easier! (1)

Ynsats (922697) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833304)

I mean now, to steal a movie, you have to go to a torrent tracker or other share site or drive to a rental place and rent the DVD you are going to rip. unless you use Netflix of course. But, thanks to Paramount, your new hard drive already comes with a digital copy of the movie, ripe for sharing!

Yes, I know that DRM is involved but we've all seen how well that has worked out in the past. Why don't they just cut to the chase and load the drive with 20 different trojans instead? Just make the icons nudey pictures and most guys won't have a problem shelling out cash to "see more". that is if the track record of all the people who complain to me about how "slow" their systems are is anything to go by.

I guess this is just another one of those things that make you go hmmmmm.

Anyway, you can at least snag a 500 Seagate for about 30% off. Just needs to be formatted.

Re:Good idea! Combat piracy by making it easier! (1)

LordAndrewSama (1216602) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833630)

If by 30% off, you mean 100% more, then yes, you can.

Re:Good idea! Combat piracy by making it easier! (1)

NotBornYesterday (1093817) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833698)

Just make the icons nudey pictures and most guys won't have a problem shelling out cash to "see more".

That's it! Forget the mainstream Hollywood movies. The only problem with their business model is that they preloaded the wrong content! What happens to most hard drives anyway? Sooner or later they get jam packed with porn. So ...

1) Preload HDD with pornos
2) There is no ???
3) Profit!!!

Re:Good idea! Combat piracy by making it easier! (1)

Reality Master 301 (1462839) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833770)

Why don't they just cut to the chase and load the drive with 20 different trojans instead?

Sony is behind this, so they probably have. Live long and profit...

Not really surprising... (3, Interesting)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833338)

Nothing new. They've been at selling Star Trek branded USB Thumb drives with the movie on it in a DRMed format for a bit now. Showed up about 1-2 months ago at Fry's. I suspected that the HD's with that same story would show up shortly in the consumer boxed drives. (And people wonder why I would rather have the OEM bulk-pack stuff...)

Re:Not really surprising... (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833756)

This is funny because I actually looked for an HD with Star Trek on it last weekend.
I needed to buy a new HD anyways, so I was curious to see if it had breached that market.

ANd at 100 bucks for 500G, I wouldn't have bought it. I got mine for 69 bucks.n

DRM makes this useless crap. (3, Insightful)

RyanFenton (230700) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833340)

...Even watching "Star Trek" requires registration...

The pre-loaded movies come with a Windows-based digital rights management system that prevents file sharing. They take up about 50 GB of the drive itself.

This means the drive is filled with extra useless crap wasting space before a format. It'd be a sad thing to discover you paid extra for this, only to not be able to actually use the movies as you would any other file, or even DVD. Hardly a "promotion", more like a way to gamble and write off a loss on old stock.

Ryan Fenton

Re:DRM makes this useless crap. (1)

argent (18001) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833644)

Luckily you're paying $40 less for this.

Soon you'll have to pay more for an empty drive (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833396)

Store Clerk: "I'm sorry, sir, but all of our hard drives come fullly loaded with tons of crap that nobody wants and nobody needs. In other words, you buy a 500G drive, with zero free space. But the content producers pay us a cut to push the shit, and we like that."

"If you want to buy an empty hard drive, that will cost you a bit extra . . ."

Re:Soon you'll have to pay more for an empty drive (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833554)

Yeah. When I buy a hard drive, I do not want it prefilled with crapware. In fact, there should be a prominent security warning on the package for any media that comes with executable content. Microsoft OSs still tend to execute any executable content that comes within range of the machine.

Did they put an autorun file on the hard drive? I'd regard that as "exceeds authorized access".

Re:Soon you'll have to pay more for an empty drive (1)

NotBornYesterday (1093817) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833740)

Boot to linux CD.
wipe -qf /dev/sda
Format with your favorite file system & enjoy the 500GB HDD you paid double for.

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833404)

I can't believe people get paid real money to come up with these ideas

Re:Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833556)

Well, time to think about career change maybe?

Haha, 100$? (1)

nikomo (1338131) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833472)

Hahaha, a 500GB drive for 100$ What kind of an idiot would buy that? I'd rather buy a 1TB drive for 100$ and get the movies off P2P.

The DVD is Dead, Long Live the DVD (2, Insightful)

MrTripps (1306469) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833512)

Why would I pay $15 to take up drive space for a DVD quality film when the Blu Ray runs $16?

No, the cat does not, in fact, "got my tongue." (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833548)

> "It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to piracy."

Fixed: "It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due slapping nerds in the face by changing Star Trek into a pure action film."

How many HDDs do you purchase in a year? (1)

mschaffer (97223) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833568)

The posting states that:
"It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to piracy."

Just how many 500GB HDD do they expect people to buy. I usually buy many more DVDs than HDDs any given year.
Not to mention, when you buy a HDD, do you look for price, performance, or the included movie?

Come on Sony! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833588)

500GB Seagate drive is available from Newegg for $54.99 with free shipping. Come on Sony... you gotta try harder than that!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395

More information (2, Informative)

MaddMatt (107146) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833612)

Seagate has a press release [seagate.com] with more information about this.

The drive is an external drive, which Newegg is selling for $100.

Still not gonna watch it (1)

tylersoze (789256) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833640)

I don't care if they put it on my hard drive, I still refuse to watch that damn movie. I'm sick to death of reboots, time travel, alternate universes, or alien smurfs in 3D.

Sort of like the shovelware on a new PC? (1)

Happy Nuclear Death (911893) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833646)

That's...kinda weird. Anyone tech-savvy enough to be buying bare HDD is just going to reformat it anyway, right?

I look at it like netbooks & laptops that inevitably come pre-configured with Windows and a ton of crapware: I may have little use for it, but there's nothing stopping me from wiping the drive & installing OS of my choice. If it lets them sell the machine more cheaply, under the fiction that the shovelware is "free advertising" for the vendors, it's a win for both me and the manufacturer.

Oh, except it's NOT a better deal. $100 is steep for only 500 GB. It would only look like a "deal" if you shop for components at Best Buy.

piracy is the patsy (1)

Bobfrankly1 (1043848) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833662)

It's the latest way for Hollywood to combat falling DVD sales due to piracy.

Maybe some of us just tire of re-buying the same movies on the newest format, or maybe they've been putting out so much crap that it's all we can do just to sit through the movie once. I don't buy or download movies, and I barely rent them. Methinks piracy is just the patsy for their own inabilities to cough up something watchable.

Let me know (0, Offtopic)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833710)

when it's 100 petabytes.

10%? (1)

JackSpratts (660957) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833744)

ten percent of this hard drive is taken up by the studio's drm system. i would think they could do better than that.

hey paramount, make it 20% and you've got a deal!

- js.

Piracy isn't why DVD sales are falling (1)

sehlat (180760) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833750)

Two factors:

1. Redbox and a much more efficient rental market, which is why the studios have bludgeoned them into a 28-day "waiting period" to try and force people to buy DVDs

2. What's worth actually buying? With the exception of Pixar's stuff, I haven't seen a movie I'd be willing to shell out for in about five years.

Falling DVD sales due to piracy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833792)

Greedy scum spreading lies again.
If DVD sales are falling, it is due to the poor quality of movies, overpricing, digital restriction management, attacking their customers, and an obsolete business model that has still not adapted to the internet age.

Seagate==Early drive failure so the movies are DRM (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833836)

I've returned 2 new Seagate drives 14 times so far. No "Live long and prosper for YOU!"

It's called Hardware DRM.

Quality control (1)

FencingLion (1553981) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833886)

This is just the latest example of hard drives coming pre-loaded with malware.

What? (0, Redundant)

bmo (77928) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833944)

An empty 500 GB Seagate hard drive usually sells for $140.

No, it doesn't. 1TB external drives sell for $70 in Newegg's bargain basement.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/yce9qhx [tinyurl.com]

And that's retail. For being 500MB, these sound suspiciously like drives Seagate had sitting in a crate somewhere gathering dust, because they certainly are old tech.

pre-loaded with a digital lock that requires a code that can be purchased online for $10 to $15 each. Even watching "Star Trek" requires registration.

So you *don't* get to watch the movies for $100. The real cost is $300 minimum in a drive that is spectacularly overpriced to start with. How many ways can you say "ripoff?"

DRM

It doesn't go into detail, but I'd bet you can't move those movies off the drive. Also, since these are DRM encumbered, they are a rental. If I want to rent movies, I will use netflix.

The special sale comes as Hollywood is struggling with falling DVD sales in the face of piracy and is looking for new ways to sell movies from its library.

Bullshit. Hollywood is *not* going begging. They're making more money than ever.

This is going to fail and they are going to blame it yet again on privacy when the failure has nothing to do with it but everything to do with trying to screw the customer as much as possible.

This is an insult to my intelligence as a consumer.

I have no sympathy for the studios. The sooner they go bankrupt the better.

--
BMO

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