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New MacBook Pros Launched

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the gimme-gimme-gimme dept.

Portables (Apple) 411

Art Vanderlay writes "Apple's new MacBook lineup has launched with a refresh to the MacBook, MacBook Pro, and MacBook Air models. As expected, the MacBook and MacBook Air both feature Core 2 Duo processors, as does the 13. The 15 and 17 models come with a choice of i5 or i7. Memory is 4GB across the board, with an optional upgrade. Additionally, the new line may include three different types of screen options: Glossy, High Resolution Glossy, and High Resolution Glossy with Anti-Glare. A second person familiar with the matter adds that at least some models will support 512GB of Solid State Drive (Flash) storage."

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As a current generation macbook pro owner... (5, Funny)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832230)

Oh pretty! fwap fwap fwap fwap.

(What? That's the response this "article" was looking for, wasn't it? Just doing my part)

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Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31832744)

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Re:As a current generation macbook pro owner... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31832922)

Whoa, when I saw those I spilled my half-caf double-decaf grande mocha-latte-chino all over my goatee and black turtleneck. The shock caused me to drop my thick black-rimmed glasses into the cup!

Oh well, it's all good. My hipster friends and I are meeting up to chill in the Apple store this afternoon. Maybe I'll take a look, maybe I won't, or maybe I'll work on my english literature paper due tomorrow. Sooooo hard.

I wonder (0, Troll)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832246)

If these new batteries will be succeptable to the infamous swelling [engadget.com] ...

Re:I wonder (4, Funny)

willyd357 (1293166) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832392)

I don't know about the batteries, but wallets will still be susceptible to the infamous shrinkage.

Re:I wonder (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31832406)

Can a bunch of dicks really be described as a battery?

Re:I wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833160)

I wouldn't be surprised. My Macbook (not pro) battery had this happen recently. I took it to an Authorized Apple Distributor who basically told me to piss off since Apple is no longer accepting responsibility for this.

The funny thing is their first response was "wow, we usually see this on the Pro models." I almost laughed out loud. One more perk for forking over the big cash for the shiny shiny.

Yay for Fat Batteries.

EULA? (1, Troll)

BemoanAndMoan (1008829) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832258)

Shiny, yes ... but what languages am I allowed to use when I develop for them?

Re:EULA? (0)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832304)

Macs? Any language you want... It is a UNIX based OS after all. (BSD yah yah)

Re:EULA? (1)

BemoanAndMoan (1008829) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832394)

Ding ... under two minutes for somebody (actually two sombody's) not to recognize sarcasm on /. ... *even* with the preceding "Should Adobe sue Apple" article.

I weep for today's youth.

Re:EULA? (0)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832598)

You win the most insightful post of the day award.

Weep while you can.

Re:EULA? (0, Troll)

bughunter (10093) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833116)

Your 'sarcasm' comes across more as knee-jerk Applehate, so yea, he's forgiven.

Re:EULA? (1)

TedRiot (899157) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833150)

They still haven't replaced that horrible OS X on their laptops with the fantastic OS found on their tablet computer?

Re:EULA? (1, Insightful)

God'sDuck (837829) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833372)

That's my persistent nightmare -- that Steve Jobs is slowly training people that his evil app store should be the only way to buy software, by moving the iPhone OS up through the equipment. It would not surprise me at all to see the next iteration be on the 13" MacBook, as a new NetBook class, as soon as the pendulum swings away from tablets again. And from there it would jump to all the non "pro" devices...and Steve would laugh all the way to the bank. Which, by then, he would also own.

Re:EULA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31832314)

Any language, any OS, dumbass It's a macbook not an iphone.

Re:EULA? (5, Funny)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832440)

Well, Jobs recently said that all Mac developers must now communicate only in Klingon. He said that people may see this as a risky move, but it'll be a better choice in the long haul.

buy' ngop!

Re:EULA? (1)

Anonymous Monkey (795756) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832806)

That makes me laugh because the first thing said when I saw an iPad was 'some one watched to much Next Gen and wants a PADD of their very own.' Perhaps Jobs should make us all speak Vulcan, because Spock was cooler than the Klingons.

Re:EULA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31832936)

Nerd.

12 things likely to be overheard (5, Funny)

wiredog (43288) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833018)

...if you have a Klingon Programmer.

12) "Specifications are for the weak and timid!"

11) "This machine is a piece of GAGH! I need quad i7 processors if I am to do battle with this code!"

10) "You cannot really appreciate Dilbert unless you've read it in the original Klingon."

9) "Indentation? I will show you how to indent when I indent your skull!"

8) "What is this talk of 'release'? Klingons do not make software 'releases'. Our software 'escapes', leaving a bloody trail of designers and quality assurance people in it's wake."

7) "Klingon function calls do not have 'parameters', they have 'arguments' - and they ALWAYS WIN THEM."

6) "Debugging? Klingons do not debug. Our software does not coddle the weak."

5) "I have challenged the entire SQA team to a Bat-Leth contest. They will not concern us again."

4) "A TRUE Klingon Warrior does not comment his code!"

3) "By filing this bug report you have challenged the honor of my family. Prepare to die!"

2) "You question the worthiness of my code? I should kill you where you stand!"

1) "Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!"

Re:EULA? (1)

jason.sweet (1272826) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833110)

Then let me be the first to say, 'Hab SoSlI' Quch!'

Eray: EUIA? (1)

jschen (1249578) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833350)

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Re:Eray: EUIA? (1)

biryokumaru (822262) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833400)

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Re:EULA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31832458)

Any language you want as long as you only speak glowingly about your "experience" and use hushed tones when speaking about St. Stephen.

Free the bits. (1)

Singularity42 (1658297) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832264)

It's amazing how big the SSDs have become, and horrible the intellectual slavery is. You can copy bread. You can't copy Zenonia 2. You can't copy bread in Zenonia 2--that's fine.

Still Overpriced? (2, Insightful)

gladish (982899) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832280)

I would seriously like a serious opinion from other people. Are apple's machines, in particluar their notebooks overpriced?

Re:Still Overpriced? (3, Insightful)

LBArrettAnderson (655246) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832334)

Yes.

And what's the deal with the price of the upgrades?

  8GB 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x4GB [Add $400.00]
 
Really? and $900 for a 24" monitor?

Re:Still Overpriced? (4, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832654)

Actually, for once the RAM isn't that much overpriced. Buying two 4GB DDR2 SO-DIMMs from crucial.com costs $380 more than buying two 2GB ones. That's a pretty small difference. It's a far cry from when I bought my last MBP and it was cheaper to buy it with the minimal RAM configuration, buy new RAM, and throw the RAM it came with in the bin.

Charging $30 each for adaptors to plug in a VGA or DVI monitor is just cheap though - they should be included as standard, and were on older Mac laptops. Same with charging $20 for the remote. Part of the Just Works(tm) thing you get with a Mac is that it comes with everything you need in the box - making half of the things you need into 'optional' extras detracts from this. They've done the same with the iPod, removing things like the dock, mains charger, belt clip, and so on that used to come in the box.

Charging $150 extra for the non-rubbish display option is also a bit irritating.

Re:Still Overpriced? (4, Informative)

LBArrettAnderson (655246) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832976)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010170000%201309139890%201309239101&ShowDeactivatedMark=False [newegg.com]

That's the total cost of 2x4GB at their specified speed. It's still cheaper to get third party RAM and tossing out the old stuff.

Re:Still Overpriced? (2, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833136)

That's surprising. Buying directly from Crucial is $500 [crucial.com] . The part numbers match, so NewEgg must have some extra discount. Looking at suppliers in the UK, I can't find anyone who sells it for less than Apple charges for the upgrade, although it still works out slightly cheaper if you sell the old modules afterwards.

Re:Still Overpriced? (2, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832408)

In my opinion? Yes. They are very well built, there is no denying that...but the Apple logo demands quite a premium. When you consider that there isn't anything you can do on a Mac that can't be done on a PC, the price gap becomes more noticable.

If absolutely have to have OSX, I would recommend putting together a hackintosh. [wikipedia.org] You get all the functionality of OSX but at a MUCH reduced price compared to Apple-branded hardware.

This is just my opinion, I don't speak for anyone else, etc.

Re:Still Overpriced? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31832642)

And while it will generally work quite well, you also run the risk of having a non-bootable machine after a system update.

Re:Still Overpriced? (1)

cpotoso (606303) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832896)

Then don't update. Simple, isn't it?

Re:Still Overpriced? (1)

Slashdot Suxxors (1207082) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832882)

Do you know where you can purchase previous generation MacBook and MacBook Pros? The current generation (not these new ones) fit the bill nicely for me and I would imagine that they're discounted since the new models are out.

Re:Still Overpriced? (2, Informative)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832930)

I would suggest either eBay or Craigslist. If you time it right, you MIGHT get lucky and find discounted models at Best Buy...they tend to lower prices on models shortly before the new ones come out (this applies to all electronics there)

Re:Still Overpriced? (1)

Velorium (1068080) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833036)

I assume a lot of people who bought MBPs in the last couple of weeks will be returning theirs to get the new models. I'd look frequently at Apple's refurbished page to wait for the right option to pop up; it's worth noting that they come with the same warranty as the new ones, and most of the refurbished laptops are just ones that people have returned within two weeks of buying. They could start this week, but sometimes it's delayed several weeks. Regardless, they will show up and they will be at least $200 less than they were "new" so it's worth it to look. http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac [apple.com]

Re:Still Overpriced? (1)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832428)

What price style?

Re:Still Overpriced? (1)

AnonymousClown (1788472) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832664)

Exactly!

And I think Apple should go all Harley Davidson: create a line of branded attire so even you can't afford the underlying product, you can be a poser - actually the "Harley Bikers" are posers, but that's another post.

Apple should come out with a Steve Jobs Signature clothing line: black faux turtle necks, pre-wornout jeans, rimlesss glasses, anti-Rogain to give pattern baldness, etc...

They'll make more money on that than on the computers!

Re:Still Overpriced? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31832816)

Faux turtle necks? You mean they're not made from real turtles?!

Re:Still Overpriced? (1)

hoggoth (414195) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833226)

How about Apple slipcovers for your crusty old Dell laptop?!
Now that would be posing!

Re:Still Overpriced? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31832528)

I don't think they're overpriced as much as they are over-spec'd. The problem is that they just don't have any mid-range offerings; it's top-of-the-line or nothing. I don't know about you, but I never buy top-of-the-line; I'm usually a generation or two behind, which is where the sweet spot (in terms of price vs performance) usually lies. I guess I will never own a Mac for the same reason I will never own a Porsche.

Re:Still Overpriced? (1)

dskzero (960168) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832830)

I don't agree: They are overpriced. The same specs can be found on a PC for a lot less. Of course, some people can't be bothered, which apparently is the whole deal with macs. (joke, /. is a bit hot today)

Re:Still Overpriced? (1)

lorenzo.boccaccia (1263310) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832978)

ok, name a pc with a 10 hours battery and a core i5, 1650x900 screen and a geforce 330M under 2000$

mostly with the 10hour battery.
I'll go and buy it today.

Re:Still Overpriced? (1)

dskzero (960168) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833188)

There we go!

Re:Still Overpriced? (1, Insightful)

Budenny (888916) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833270)

Same old, same old. Always start with an arbitrary point in the Apple line, and demand to have it met at a given price. Wrong, proves nothing. Always start with a need, then find a Dell or HP that meets it, then look at how much you'll have to pay for a Mac that meets it. You'll pay double. Sometimes a bit less.

I can't find the spec you are asking for at under $2k - well, I haven't tried, but doubt that you can. So what? Its not what I need, either at $2k or $1500. So at either price, its too expensive.

Re:Still Overpriced? (1)

ThreeE (786934) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833352)

OK, I'm going on a trip where I won't be able to charge my laptop for about 10 hours.

Re:Still Overpriced? (1)

Velorium (1068080) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833072)

I disagree, this new lineup is definitely overpriced for the 13". I haven't any idea why they didn't just opt for Core i3s.

Re:Still Overpriced? (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832576)

Depends. Purists will track down a PC with the exact specifications (which will be an oddball config) and will point to it being of "similar" price, but if you go with tiers (ie, Entry Level product, Desktop Replacement, Ultra-portable) rather than exact specs, then the Mac gets toasted on price. My sister for example uses the cheapest MacBook in the lineup. She got it for Christmas last year from her boyfriend (she'd have never bought a Mac if she was paying for it herself). Total was around $999 (actually more since she got iLife and a host of other addons, but I'm just comparing base machines here). About 2 months earlier I got a $299 Lenovo. In several areas my machine is more powerful, but most importantly, both of us use our laptops for the same thing: basic web browsing on the go. When you're looking at such a basic purpose for a device, specs don't matter so much. It simply matters whether or not the machine fills that role. Both machines have filled that role just fine, but mine cost 1/3rd as much.

Re:Still Overpriced? (1)

Budenny (888916) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833184)

Good post. Hits the nail on the head. Look at purpose and use, then look at what meets it, and you will generally end up paying double for a Mac. At least. This last post says he paid one third, and it does not surprise me. Don't believe build quality either. Macs do not have better components, and they are not more thoughtfully assembled. The cases are shinier. But no, they are not better components, they're not better cooled, they are no more long lived. In fact, often the components are decidedly entry level. Nor are they more reliable or longer lived. So what explains the rave reports on this subject? Cognitive Dissonance, is what.

Re:Still Overpriced? (2, Informative)

Nichotin (794369) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832588)

I would seriously like a serious opinion from other people. Are apple's machines, in particluar their notebooks overpriced?

Depends on how you are looking at it. If you do comparisons based on hardware alone, you can always find a cheaper PC from Acer or other brands. I write for a local computer magazine, and review a good amount of laptops every year. My conclusion is that Apple is pretty much top of the line when it comes to construction and finish. Magnetic cord for the charger, very thin design (even for 15 and 17 inch), not particularily noisy, a multitouch trackpad that actually works without being a nuisance, resumes almost instantly and a unibody chassis (the aluminium one is really great, it really does not wear down in the same way that other laptops tend to do). There are of course some flaws as well (like not having SD reader on the MacBook 13), but they are generally worth the extra $$$ for the extra quality on the build. If you are just after the fastest hardware for your money, you can always find something from a manufacturer that does have the same priority list.

Re:Still Overpriced? (5, Insightful)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832646)

They're overpriced in the sense that an Audi is overpriced. On paper, the quality of some components is better, the overall design is better, and you're paying a bit more for a level of quality that you can't directly point to and say "that piece there is why it's $300 more." A Ford Escort will get you to and from work just like an Audi will.

That said, I've switched over to MacBooks from Dells and been totally happy with the change. There are ways to avoid that "premium product" price tag--buy a model behind from Apple's refurb store, for example. My Macbook is a bit lighter and thinner than a comparable Toshiba, it has OSX instead of Windows, and the keyboard and screen are superior. The magnetic power cord has saved me a couple times from yanking it off the coffee table. I'm happy to pay a couple hundred dollars more for those things, just like I paid a couple thousand more to buy a Honda Accord instead of a Civic.

Re:Still Overpriced? (1)

prograde (1425683) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832982)

Agreed.

Also of note, B&M stores will have the old models on sale for the next few days...it's the only time I've ever seen Apple laptops at reduced prices. Get 'em while they're hot!

Re:Still Overpriced? (1)

Drethon (1445051) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833374)

All I know is my inexpensive Sony laptop is still running ten years later with no replacement parts (even the battery still works a little). Sure it runs slow now but at a third the price of the Macs at the time it has done more than I asked it to...

Re:Still Overpriced? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832698)

Overpriced or underfeatured, depending on how you look at it. The same money to another manufacturer will get you stuff like e-SATA and a decent video card with 512MB. Remember, Apple doesn't target outliers — they figure out what they can sell to the maximum number of people at the maximum premium, continually building their cachet, and thus are profitable. At least, these days...

Yes (1, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832758)

And no.

Apple charges a premium because it can. It is not like they are the only supplier in town. It is trivial to buy another brands laptop. If there are 3 brands of cola in the supermarket and one ask $1.000.000 dollars, then it still ain't overpriced, because the other cans can be bought just as easily.

Something can only be considered overprice if there is no easy alternative.

And Mac's tend to be a decent price when they launch when their hardware tends to push the edge. It is when they are 1-2 year old that Apple really starts cleaning up when they have the same hardware with the same prices but component prices have dropped.

But hey, if you want a cheaper deal, go shop.

Re:Still Overpriced? (1)

mr.big_pig (521727) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832772)

It depends. If you go to Dell/HP/whatever and build a laptop spec for spec then there is, Comparing apples-to-apples, I don't think there is a significant difference in price. On the other hand, except for the build-to-order options (RAM, HD, proc, screen) that Apple offers you, there is no flexibility in feature sets. You could find/spec a Dell/HP/whatever that does everything you need, less expensively. It may not have all of the features the Apple laptop offers. So in an apples-to-oranges comparison, Apple's machines are more expensive.

Re:Still Overpriced? (4, Informative)

frinkster (149158) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832970)

I would seriously like a serious opinion from other people. Are apple's machines, in particluar their notebooks overpriced?

I have owned 3 Apple computers and my experience has been that the resale value more than makes up for any initial price differential. I have never had a problem finding people willing to pay hundreds (in one case $1500) for a 4 to 5 year old Apple computer. Sometimes I have trouble getting people to follow through when I put an old PC on craigslist for FREE.

My other experience has been that build quality is generally very good and that commands a bit of a premium, much like a good Thinkpad will generally cost a bit more than an equivalent Dell.

Re:Still Overpriced? (1)

Budenny (888916) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833040)

Yes. But not if you try to match an Apple spec exactly, then you will mostly find yourself paying roughly the same. The answer is yes, because if you try to match what you need, instead of matching their price points, you will find that the Apple offering you have to go to a higher model than you need, and because they come out of the box with such a weird mixture of high and low end stuff, you will then need to add options, and you will end up spending about twice as much.

You can see this pretty clearly across the range, but if you look at the Mini its especially clear. You insist on having a jacket pocket sized core 2 machine. By the time you find one, its going to cost roughly the same, or maybe you can do it yourself assembly for somewhat less, but its not worth it.

Does this prove the Mac is good value, or no more expensive? Yes, if you really, really need to put it in a coat pocket. Otherwise its grossly overpriced, you can get better quality and more performant hardware for about half the price. You'll find the same thing happens with the floor standers, and actually, if you really think about what you need you'll find the same thing with the all in ones. People will always say to you, you cannot get as big an LCD screen as that, with that computer built into it, for much under that. Maybe not, but if you do not really need it to be all in one, and if you think about what you need and realize that actually two or three smaller screens would give you what you will most need in daily work, and that what will help a lot will be something better than an entry level graphic card.... And if you already have a monitor....

So yes, they are way over priced. But not because you can buy the same thing cheaper from someone else. Because what you're buying is way over priced for what you really need. And what you get is not better than what you really need. Just different.

Re:Still Overpriced? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833078)

I don't think so, but why make it about opinion?
Go to Apple's page in one tab, and Dell's page in another tab. Pick a random laptop (f.e. macbook pro). Configure a dell with the same speed processor and same amount of memory. Then add the N WiFi, and the bluetooth, the webcam, the lighted keyboard (if they have it, probably not), and a similar video card to what the mac has. If the mac is one of the metal ones, try to find a Dell model with a metal case, etc.

In nearly every single case the Dell (or HP) comes out to be more. For the same spec machines, Apple is very competitive (with laptops, at least), and includes a better OS to boot. Now, having said that, if you don't WANT a web cam, or bluetooth, etc., you can configure a cheaper machine from Dell than Apple.

Re:Still Overpriced? (1)

uprise78 (1256084) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833398)

They may be a bit overpriced but not to the level many slashdotters would have you believe. They are solid as a rock and the batteries are better than any other notebook I have ever had as is the screen. Slashdotters will be quick to send me a link to a dell or acer laptop with similar specs that is a bit cheaper but in reality you get what you pay for. The unibody frame is super solid and you can be 100% certain all the hardware will work together perfectly. Not to mention you get 2 GPU's the slick magnet power cord adapter that has saved my ass on more than one occasion and an attention to detail that you won't find anywhere else.

It doesn't matter (2, Insightful)

copponex (13876) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833402)

$2400 will get you the top of the line 15" MacBook Pro. A similarly specced Dell Precision Mobile Workstation will only have a superior video card (Quadro FX 1800M), and maybe a higher def screen, and certainly vastly superior docking options and ports. Battery life and portability are the big drawbacks to the PC side of the aisle.

At the high end of things, the computer you buy depends entirely on your main application. For anyone in digital content creation, you have to have OS X in order to have Logic and Final Cut. If you're making movies, music, or web pages, you're probably going to get a Mac. If you're mainly an engineer or business applications user or developer, you're going to get a PC. If all you do is check Facebook or troll slashdot, the Apple logo is a very expensive brand name, but the MacBook or a used MacBook Pro with the extended warranty is probably worth the money compared to trying to maintain a virus-free windows installation. If you don't need any commercial application support, dual monitor support, etc., a netbook or notebook preinstalled with Linux is a great option.

Personally, I usually have the latest gen MacBook Pro* triple booted with Windows 7 and Ubuntu, since I have clients all over the board. The new terabyte 2.5" 12mm drive from Western Digital fits in the unibody models, so I have a 500G data partition, 250 for OS X (Logic/Final Cut are huge), 150 for 7, and 100 for Ubuntu.

OS X is a great operating system, it's just unfortunately in the hands of perhaps the biggest douchebag in the world. [9to5mac.com] I hope after his reign has passed, the company falls apart and OS X is unshackled from Mac hardware and the black hole that is his ego.

*yes, I get it. It's supposed to be funny.

What can't you do? (1)

briggsl (1475399) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832284)

Has Apple removed the ability to write to the HDD yet?

Where are the news for new HP, Lenovo, Compaq...?? (5, Insightful)

viraltus (1102365) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832286)

I mean it...

Re:Where are the news for new HP, Lenovo, Compaq.. (4, Funny)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832764)

Also, I'm in the market for a new toaster. Can a nerd get some info, eh?

Low video ram 256m in a $1800 laptop? and a $400 r (2, Insightful)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832288)

Low video ram 256m in a $1800 laptop? and a $400 ram upgrade?

NO E-sata NO firewire 1600 / 3200 NO USB 3.0?

NO ExpressCard/34 slot in the 15" system as well?

Re:Low video ram 256m in a $1800 laptop? and a $40 (4, Informative)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832998)

1. Yeah, it's silly to only have 512mb on the high-end models. But most non-gamers won't care.
2. 4GB DDR3 SO-DIMMs are still expensive. Other PC manufacturers charge about the same.
3. eSATA isn't "sleek" enough for Apple; it needs a second power cable, has a relatively flimsy plug, has hot-plugging/compatibility issues, etc, etc. They'd much rather people use Firewire.
4. Firewire 1600/3200 won't exist on consumer gear until at least late 2010.
5. Intel is dragging their feet on USB 3.0, which means most computers and peripherals won't see it for at least another year.
6. Most people don't use ExpressCards; they'd rather have a slightly larger battery or other features taking up the space.

If it's not what you're looking for in a notebook, last time I checked you're still allowed to not buy one. And if your primary considerations are how well it plays games and how many different things you can have plugged into it, might I suggest you look at desktops instead?

Re:Low video ram 256m in a $1800 laptop? and a $40 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833010)

Low video ram 256m in a $1800 laptop?

How do you think current draw on keeping additional RAM charged impairs battery life?

a $400 ram upgrade?

Uses standard parts -- it's not rocket science.

NO E-sata NO firewire 1600 / 3200 NO USB 3.0?

E-Sata and FW 3200 would be welcome. But USB on a machine touted as 'pro'? Are bubblejet printers, light-up mice, pendrives and those silly USB keyboard vacs pro level equipment now? And no, I'm not being harsh. I've never seen any USB device being used for serious A/V work. Hell, even the writers I know use network storage or firewire drives.

Screens... (2, Interesting)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832290)

We've gone full circle from matte to glossy to "glossy with anti glare"? Great!

(anti-glare comes at a premium I assume...)

Re:Screens... (5, Informative)

oDDmON oUT (231200) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832566)

No, they implemented the "Hi-Res Antiglare Widescreen Display [Add $150.00]", which brought back what creatives bemoaned the loss of, in the prior rev. of the product line, at a premium price point as you surmised.

gloss/glare? (1)

laxsu19 (1256044) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832292)

so how can a screen be glossy and anti-glare at the same time? gloss==glare

Re:gloss/glare? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31832432)

Marketing speak will always confuse.

Re:gloss/glare? (1)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832476)

I'm guessing they are coated with metal oxides.

Most decent monitors have AG coatings, even my 1990's CRT does. Come on Apple, this should be standard across the line of machines.

Re:gloss/glare? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31832938)

it would be quite a hack, but you can achieve the goal by reducing transparency

More choice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31832376)

High Resolution with Anti-Glare is highly appreciated on the MacBook 15. My wet dream would be something like that for the 13 inch as well. I am currently drooling, but I don't feel like I should toss my 15 month old MacBook 13 Unibody just yet.
What I do think is a shame, is that they don't have 7.200rpm drives as default. I mean, Apple have had a tradition for tossing in some premiums here and there (early out with auto crossing on ethernet and dual usb controllers on G4 QuickSilver comes to mind). 7.200RPM makes a lot of difference on the responsiveness of a laptop, if you don't want to toss in the extra money for SSD (or have other gripes with SSD).

Mac mini / Mac pro still NOT UPDATED and same pric (2, Interesting)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832470)

Mac mini / Mac pro still NOT UPDATED and same price with the mac pro with it way out date and week video card. Also this makes the imacs prices look bad as most of them still have core2 and the lower systems did not get better video like the 13" mac pros did.

NOW apple where is the I5 / I7 desktop system (head less) with mid range with upgrades to better cards starting at $800 $1000 $1200? The Imacs at $1,499.00 with only core 2 and only 4670 graphics with 256MB is not cutting it for your new gaming push and the mini needs to be alot better at $800.

Re:Mac mini / Mac pro still NOT UPDATED and same p (1)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832634)

Also, do not forget the 2009 Mac Pro is a dog.

It has problems with Firewire, PCI Express, RAID to name a few. At least they sorted out the overheating issue while playing audio (which was a software problem). We do not just want a spec update (which last years spec update was woeful), but a machine we can use as a workstation and know that they are reliable.

Re:Mac mini / Mac pro still NOT UPDATED and same p (1)

Selfbain (624722) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833128)

I don't think the Air or Macbook were updated either because I can't seem to find anything about it and the store still has the old ones.

Re:Mac mini / Mac pro still NOT UPDATED and same p (1)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833290)

Well, yeah.... because Apple historically does updates of only one product line at a time. Today is Macbook Pro update day... NOT Mac Mini or Mac Pro or iMac update day.

If you've kept up with the rumors sites at all (or even "tech" site that occasionally discussed it), it sounds like a new Mac Pro has been in development for a while now, and most likely is coming pretty soon. Among other things, it will supposedly feature Intel's new "Light Peak" cabling technology (http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-10370349-264.html).

I really don't think the Mac Mini is a big priority for Apple at this point. Its initial release was important, because it helped MANY people make the initial jump from Windows PCs to "testing the water" with a Mac running OS X. But currently, an iMac really makes a lot more sense for most people. The Mac Mini has become more of a "niche" system, being purchased primarily by people wanting it for various projects (such as a home theater machine to leave attached to a big-screen TV, or an in-car computer). The recent offering of an OS X Server version of the Mini was another interesting "niche use" for such a system.

And where are the headless desktop upgradable Macs? Non-existent ... same as every day since Jobs took Apple back over and released OS X. People always bring that up and suggest Apple "needs to make one, now!" -- but apparently, Apple doesn't. I'm not saying it wouldn't be a cool system, or sell really well. I'm just saying, it's obviously not part of their marketing strategy and someone running numbers must have determined it winds up more profitable for Apple to deny people that choice. (Causes loss of some business, but also drives a lot of sales of bigger, more expensive Macs like Mac Pros, I imagine.)

I watched the Anatomy of a Mac video (1)

JDmetro (1745882) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832480)

after following the link looks to me like a cross between elive and some compiz effects. Apple lost my business after they cheaped out on the hardware. I used to own mac's but what's the point now that they use Intel Core Duo cpu's.

Re:I watched the Anatomy of a Mac video (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832862)

Yeah, why should they use the fastest CPUs on the market, shame on them!

I didn't write this but I wanted to help you out. (0, Redundant)

JDmetro (1745882) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833236)

Judging computer performance by GHz alone is a common misconception. The clock speed of a CPU (the GHz) has nothing to do with relative performance of the processor... except when comparing it to other processors in the same product line. What I mean here is that you cannot compare a 3.0 Ghz Intel P4 to a AMD processor or PowerPC processor - the Ghz means nothing at all... However, if you compare a 3.0 Ghz Intel P4 with a 2.8 Ghz Intel P4 - THEN you have a valid comparison. The higher clock rate will be generally faster than the lower clock rate. (note that there are workloads where this is not true). Now, more about the misconception - there are a lot of other factors that affect performance in computers. Processor speed is only one of them. Memory speed and architecture, internal bus speeds, storage technology, and software (OS and application) all contribute heavily to the perceived speed of a computer. If you take a look at some of the performance-related websites (such as ww.spec.org), you'll see that computers with different CPUs handle different workloads better than others. A good example for comparison (for an average consumer) is comparing a desktop to a laptop computer. I'll say now that desktops are generally faster than laptops, even at the same clock rate (Ghz). Why, you ask? Well, it's the other components that make the desktop faster. Typically, the disk in a laptop spins at 4200rpm (some are 5400 rpm), where a typical desktop has a 7200 rpm drive. The CD-ROM in a laptop is typically slower than what you find in desktops also. The idea here is that it doesn't matter how fast the processor is, if the processor is sitting around twiddling it's thumbs while it waits for data from the hard drive/network/memory/whatever. When it comes to pure speed of the processor, there are several definitions of speed... again, it relates to workload. For example, there's Integer Math speed (see the SPECint2006 benchmark at www.spec.org), Integer Math Rate (throughput - SPECint_rate2006), Floating Point Math speed (SPECfp2006), and Floating Point Math Rate (SPECfp_rate2006). Processors that are great at Integer math may stink at floating point, and vice versa. Some CPUs are made with bigger, badder math capabilities, others with better I/O throughput. Your choice depends on what you want to do with the computer, and are getting less and less every day as proprietary CPUs (such as PowerPC, Alpha, SPARC, and PA-RISC processors) are dropping by the wayside in favor of cheaper, mass-market Intel and AMD CPUs that are considered "good enough" these days. About your comment about multi-core CPUs (quad-core vs. Dual-core vs. single-core)... The clock rate is important only if you run a single-threaded application. Such applications will run on only 1 of the cores, and will make a quad-core 2.4Ghz CPU look slower than a single-core P4 @ 3.2 Ghz. These days, we often do a few things with our computers at a time (download a file, fetch our email, surf the net, etc.) so even a desktop user will see some benefit from a multi-core architecture because it can do more than one thing at a time. The single-core CPU can only execute one program at a time, where the quad-core can execute 4 at a time. So, being able to execute 4 programs simultaneously at 2.4 Ghz vs. 4 programs one at a time (well, timesliced, they appear to run at the same time) at 3.2 Ghz - you're likely to find that the quad-core gets more done in the same amount of time - so it's "faster", even though it has a lower clock rate. You can equate this to you and your friends running errands... let say that you need to go to the Supermarket, Sports Authority, Best Buy, and the liquor store - and each are in a different direction from your home (one is north, one is east, one is south, and one is west). You could leave your friends at home and go to the supermarket, then to Sports Authority, then Best Buy, then the Liquor Store OR you could send 3 of your friends, each to one of the stores while you go to the Supermarket. Which will be faster? Sending your friends, of course. Now what about if you have only one errand to run... just the supermarket... going yourself is the only choice, and your friends will just have to wait until you get home with the chips. ;^) The additional "cores" (your friends) are no help when there's only one thing to do. You're probably just as confused as ever (maybe even more so), but I hope this helps in some small way.
Origionally written by some dude "skydiver99"

Re:I didn't write this but I wanted to help you ou (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833356)

Really? You're bringing up what's most likely a 6 year old post on the Pentium 4 to try to explain pipelines to me? Hah!

Yes, Intel chips are the sux0r and IBMs Power processors were waaay faster because they had less Ghz so they obviously did more with those Ghz!

Re:I watched the Anatomy of a Mac video (1)

paimin (656338) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833138)

Yeah, bring back the G5! Those were much better!

Oh My God! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31832504)

I just came so hard!!!

How many Slashdot article submitters does it take (4, Insightful)

richdun (672214) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832524)

A second person familiar with the mattered[sic] adds that at least some models will support 512GB of Solid State Drive (Flash) storage.

Er, so it took a second person to go to the Apple Online Store and find that out?

Oh, and for those without a second person around to check for them, the 512GB SSD comes up as a BTO option on all models (at the low low price of $1300 - $1450!).

New Goatsebook launched (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31832632)

Featuring a Core i7 processor, you can stretch your anus with four cores at once buy it at goatse.fr

a little mistake (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31832662)

looks as if there is a little mistake in the article.
That is not 4GB of memory but 4iGB and these are not 15" or 17" screens but rather 15 iInch and 17 iInch screens.
This is to ensure compatibility with the rest of the iWhatEver lineup and to justify raping the iFool.

iFools like it rough... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31832724)

rough rough in the butt.

This doesn't count as an iPad or iPhone article (3, Insightful)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832756)

so we're still due two more Apple articles today. Unless these new MacBook Pros run iPhone OS, then I suppose it would count, sort of.

Re:This doesn't count as an iPad or iPhone article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833146)

You can adjust what stories you see... Looks like someone is jealous they aren't getting enough Linux stories.

PC notebooks that compete? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31832850)

I'm looking for a replacement for my 3-and-1/2-year-old 17" Macbook Pro. If I go the Apple route, to get the 7200 RPM 500 GB drive, 17" HD+ screen (1920x1200), backlit keyboard, built-in camera, 8 GB RAM and i7 processor, Apple wants three grand ($2999). What PCs compete at this level (same screen resolution, 17" size, backlit keyboard, 7200 RPM 500 GB drive, and 8GB RAM)? I tried shopping Dell's site and it was painful to navigate and I didn't find what I was looking for. I know PCs exist with these specs, but unlike Apple's easy-to-find-what-I-was-looking-for site, PCs are still site navigation clueless, apparently. I'd like to spend less than $3k.

Oh, I also prefer Apple's multitouch trackpad--any PCs have excellent, large-sized CENTERED (none of this offset-to-the-left-due-to-numeric-keypad-on-17"-models offset trackpads) trackpads?

Or am I gonna hafta bite the bullet and go Apple again?

Internet 101: Learn to Use a Searc Engine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31833346)

I'm looking for a replacement for my 3-and-1/2-year-old 17" Macbook Pro. If I go the Apple route, to get the 7200 RPM 500 GB drive, 17" HD+ screen (1920x1200), backlit keyboard, built-in camera, 8 GB RAM and i7 processor, Apple wants three grand ($2999). What PCs compete at this level (same screen resolution, 17" size, backlit keyboard, 7200 RPM 500 GB drive, and 8GB RAM)? I tried shopping Dell's site and it was painful to navigate and I didn't find what I was looking for. I know PCs exist with these specs, but unlike Apple's easy-to-find-what-I-was-looking-for site, PCs are still site navigation clueless, apparently. I'd like to spend less than $3k.

Sorry. As you are too computer-illiterate to use a PC, or even a Mac, to google for trivially available answers to your question, available from multiple outlets all too happy to appear in the top ten results of just about any reasonable keyword search, your licence to operate digital equipment, or general computing equipment of any kind has been revoked in the interest of public safety.

Alternatively, you may continue to use Apple products, which will enhance and exploit your inability to do basic web searches and think outside of your one-pixel-by-one-pixel box, as your flailing about will serve both as amusement for the wider public, and an object lesson as to why otherwise-intelligent people should reconsider purchasing Apple, or any other enormously dumbed down, locked down, and nauseatingly astro-turf-trendy products, while their IQs remain at least nominally in the triple digits.

Thank you for playing.

No Quad cores! Yes using i5 and i7 names (1)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832854)

which fooled many into believing they would offer quad core processors in their laptops.

Granted Intel needs to be slapped for having both share the same names. The angst over this little issue on some boards is truly hilarious

PC vs macbook (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31832870)

640 GB vs 250 GB
4 GB DDR3 vs 2 GB
Core i3-330M 2.13 GHz vs Core 2 Duo 2.26 GHz (Core i3 probably better)
ATI Radeon HD 5650 1GB vs shared Nvidia GeForce 9400M (the radeon is much faster)
VGA and HDMI outputs vs nothing usefull without expensive adapters
15 inches vs 13 inches display
47 W*hour vs 60 W*hour battery
2.65 kg vs 2.13 kg
CAD $750 vs CAD $1100

Do they still have the sharp edges? (1)

Anonymous Psychopath (18031) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832940)

I use a MBP daily and a big problem for me is the sharp edge on the bottom where your wrists naturally rest when you type. I've seen videos where guys have taken a Dremel to bevel the edge themselves. Anyone know if they fixed that in the new version?

Are they really that great? (3, Interesting)

Xoltri (1052470) | more than 4 years ago | (#31832948)

I've had a MacBook Pro for a couple of years now and overall I'm not impressed. The aluminum case dents super easily, there are only two USB ports, I am on my second power adaptor and second battery, and my DVD drive no longer burns DVD's. Furthermore, it gets so hot you cannot have it on your lap without a layer of asbestos between it and your legs.

Re:Are they really that great? (1)

xdor (1218206) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833368)

They're okay. The 2GB RAM limit sucks. I won't be buying another one anytime soon.

Ooooo, new macbooks... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31832962)

Starting at $1200 and going up to $2300...... figures.

I'll stick with my PC. Thanks. I was planning to give it a quad-core anyways...

Apple Tax! (0, Flamebait)

gizmo2199 (458329) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833212)

OK Apple enthusiasts, explain this to me: for $850 I can purchase the Acer Aspire AS7740G-6364

It too has a 17" screen, albeit at lower res (1600x800), but a killer
offboard graphics card ATI 5650HD with 1GB of dedicated ram.

Sure the processor is only 2.26 Ghz but it also has 4GB of ram, and of course
the case is not aluminum.

But still, WHY would I pay $1,450 more for the MacBook Pro?

OS X is not worth $1,000!

Has Slashdot turned into a Mac Fanboi site? (-1, Troll)

KlomDark (6370) | more than 4 years ago | (#31833366)

Enough of this AppHole bullshit. This site's about Linux and open source, not closed-source proprietary junk.

If this is truly "News for Nerds" then where was yesterday's announcement that Visual Studio 2010 was released? Not a mention, but we got our daily dose of Applesauce. Oooh boy, another high-dollar closed laptop.

Did Apple buy Slashdot?

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